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« on: November 23, 2009, 03:07:19 PM »

Is it doable?  If so, how, I want to keep it after a complete desmog.  I'm old school, have always turned of fuel when I shut down and turn it on when I mount up, for the last 40 years.  Thank you in advance.  i like the convenience and looks of the stock unit.  Hoser  coolsmiley 
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« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2009, 03:23:44 PM »

You can still keep the oem after the desmog. Just keep it hooked to the intake. Maybe just change the tubing to new.
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« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2009, 03:27:35 PM »

When doing a desmog, you will not change anything on the stock petcock.  You will still have the vacuum line running from the petcock to #6 intake.  As Fudgie said, you may want to replace the vacuum line if it is the original one, and I would recommend replacing the inner workings of the petcock if it is original.  If you need to order a petcock rebuild set, order the "cover set".
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« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2009, 03:33:31 PM »

Don't want to rebuild, just want to shut it off, go to reserve if needed, and turn it on.  I have no faith in the diaphram in the long run.  I've heard to many stories, plus I can drain the tank  through the petcock if I need to, which I cannot do in the present configuration. hoser
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« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2009, 03:36:36 PM »

Is it doable?  If so, how, I want to keep it after a complete desmog.  I'm old school, have always turned of fuel when I shut down and turn it on when I mount up, for the last 40 years.  Thank you in advance.  i like the convenience and looks of the stock unit.  Hoser  coolsmiley 
R&M belly tank has good pictures of how to do this. I converted mine, but I added the electric shut off. I would either do that or leave it vacuum. JMO
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« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2009, 03:55:34 PM »

After conversion do you plug or remove the vacuum line ?
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« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2009, 04:54:45 PM »

Is it doable?  If so, how, I want to keep it after a complete desmog.  I'm old school, have always turned of fuel when I shut down and turn it on when I mount up, for the last 40 years.  Thank you in advance.  i like the convenience and looks of the stock unit.  Hoser  coolsmiley 

Yes, you can do this, but you won't get what you think.
To convert the petcock to manual operation, you simply take it apart and put the spring on the other side of the diaphragm. The spring now holds it open instead of shut.
Here's the problem: The petcock is "negative" in its operation. What I mean is, it holds back the fuel you don't want, instead of allowing the fuel you do want. So, in the "On" position, it is actually holding back reserve. In the "Off" position, it is holding back On and Reserve.
What difference does that make, you might ask? Well, it's like this: In any position except those described, that is in transition from one position to any other, you are by definition in the reserve fuel flow mode.
This will explain why sometimes someone will complain they ran out of fuel while in the "On" position. It's why often you can put the petcock in the "Off" position and still ride the bike indefinitely. It's not really shut off. It's not in the detent position.
Long ago, I had pics of the inside of the petcock to show why all this is so.
I put a lot of this up years ago right on this website. I took a lot of sh!t for it cause folks thought I was dissing Honda. Not so, one of my first jobs at 14 yrs old was in a Honda shop and I've loved 'em ever since. Every manufacturer screws the pooch now and then. The Valk petcock is a prime example.
I think the Pingle petcock is a good choice to replace the OEM, but there are other choices, and some pretty cheap.
And you can plug the vacuum line or remove it and plug the port on the intake runner.
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« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2009, 05:32:25 PM »

Is it doable?  If so, how, I want to keep it after a complete desmog.  I'm old school, have always turned of fuel when I shut down and turn it on when I mount up, for the last 40 years.  Thank you in advance.  i like the convenience and looks of the stock unit.  Hoser  coolsmiley 


http://daughertymotorsports.com/howto/tankvalve/tankvalve.html
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« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2009, 05:46:05 PM »

I had done the manual mod 6 years ago, Took a razor knife and cut the diaphragm center out, no spring or stop valve (hollow) JB weld the vacuum port and weep hole at bottom and it does turn off, any one with Blower will have to remove the tank constantly and many times full of fuel,Reserve does not seem to work anymore but will run on both positions Not Off position, Cost $ 0 How many times have i ran out of gas 0 does this bike need plenty of fuel yes!. The stock gutted flows like a Ba$tard checked it no problem. And my fish love the new toys in their Fish tank.With all the problems i see this doing to peoples vacations and sunday drives, not worth dealing with i dont even give any thought i just ride and enjoy.Stock sure is pretty and free!                                                                                             
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« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2009, 05:53:44 PM »

Is it doable?  If so, how, I want to keep it after a complete desmog.  I'm old school, have always turned of fuel when I shut down and turn it on when I mount up, for the last 40 years.  Thank you in advance.  i like the convenience and looks of the stock unit.  Hoser  coolsmiley 


http://daughertymotorsports.com/howto/tankvalve/tankvalve.html
cooldude that rubber hose is good idea! don't have to wait for epoxy set.
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« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2009, 03:27:55 AM »

Have a question about the Daugherty conversion. Does the reserve still work ?
Daugherty states;  "This modification turns the valve into a straight ON-OFF-RES switch."

fstsix adds he did the manual mod and reserve does not seem to work any more. His mod might be different but I want a reserve.
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« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2009, 01:46:57 PM »

Bone i dont run to the point of reserve, 'Electric pump dose not like' when i hit 100 miles i click to reserve to not starve pump or motor LEAN for me is 'DEATH' i ride this bike like i stole it, i also use fuel additives by NITRO. so answer is i dont know? 17.000 miles with SC and mod fuel switch. Now that i look back, the fuel switch has a separate chamber not related to the check ball click detent function, the safety vacuum is not related to this function one would think if the stop works why not the reserve same unit.
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« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2009, 02:59:46 PM »

Thanks for the reply. I couldn't figure out why the reserve wouldn't work. I had read on the site that you ran a SC and laughingly thought a reserve wouldn't be much help to you.
I've ran manual petcocks for many years the stock looks OK to me too. This past May I ran out of gas just east of Albuquerque with a reserve Sad
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« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2009, 07:04:02 PM »

I've been running a manual valve for over a year now. I took the diaphram and all out of the stock valve,. I put a piece of gasket material between the two halfs of the valve and buttoned everything backup.  I think I JB welded the vaccum port and bleed hole but I'm not sure. If they are on the dry side of the gasket materal then there is no need to seal them.
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