I feel safer already....NOT! What a bonehead move!

[Hoosier Valk]

Let me see if I've got this right? Things I need to worry about tonight:

1. All the kings horses and all the kings men can't catch Osama Bin Laden.
2. Secret Service can't keep a couple whose name is NOT on the list out of the White House.
3. We can't afford to spend Billions of dollars on healthcare for our citizens.
4. We CAN afford to spend billions of dollars for more troops to Afghanistan.
5. Someone named Arif Alikhan gets appointed as an assistant secretary for policy development.

Oh, nevermind, I think I know which one to remove from my list.

[x]

Let me see if I've got this right? Things I need to worry about tonight:

1. All the kings horses and all the kings men can't catch Osama Bin Laden.
2. Secret Service can't keep a couple whose name is NOT on the list out of the White House.
3. We can't afford to spend Billions of dollars on healthcare for our citizens.
4. We CAN afford to spend billions of dollars for more troops to Afghanistan.
5. Someone named Arif Alikhan gets appointed as an assistant secretary for policy development.

Oh, nevermind, I think I know which one to remove from my list.

Well said.

[Chrisj CMA]

Let me see if I've got this right? Things I need to worry about tonight:

1. All the kings horses and all the kings men can't catch Osama Bin Laden.
2. Secret Service can't keep a couple whose name is NOT on the list out of the White House.
3. We can't afford to spend Billions of dollars on healthcare for our citizens.
4. We CAN afford to spend billions of dollars for more troops to Afghanistan.
5. Someone named Arif Alikhan gets appointed as an assistant secretary for policy development.

Oh, nevermind, I think I know which one to remove from my list.

Well, when you put it that way I have to agree....one could see the appointment of Alikhan as such small potatoes compared to the incompetence of the whole Obama administration that it would be not worth worrying about.  I mean by the way you put it, one could think that we do have much bigger things to worry about. 

[x]

Let me see if I've got this right? Things I need to worry about tonight:

1. All the kings horses and all the kings men can't catch Osama Bin Laden.
2. Secret Service can't keep a couple whose name is NOT on the list out of the White House.
3. We can't afford to spend Billions of dollars on healthcare for our citizens.
4. We CAN afford to spend billions of dollars for more troops to Afghanistan.
5. Someone named Arif Alikhan gets appointed as an assistant secretary for policy development.

Oh, nevermind, I think I know which one to remove from my list.

Well, when you put it that way I have to agree....one could see the appointment of Alikhan as such small potatoes compared to the incompetence of the whole Obama administration that it would be not worth worrying about.  I mean by the way you put it, one could think that we do have much bigger things to worry about. 

Incompetence of the Obama administration?

a)  Senate committee just laid it squarely on Bush for not catching Osama bin Laden... you know... that small Iraq gambit that f*cked the US so bad in the ole bung hole.
b)  Secret service - a bureaucracy, and a less that one year hold over from who?  Oh... Bush... but seriously... a trifle because the Secret Service are the best.

Where to spend billions isn't about incompetence... it is about decisions... just make sure you keep your boy Bush in the limelight when talking incompetence... the worst president this country has ever had.
 

[Chrisj CMA]

Each new guy blames the previous.....but this guy takes the cake......sooner or later the failed policies will have the OBAMA name on them instead of Bush.  Obama sure has followed in the footsteps WAY more than his followers would have wanted him to.....but we shall see.  Oh, and I never said Bush was perfect, but you do know hes been gone a year now, right?

[x]

Each new guy blames the previous.....but this guy takes the cake......sooner or later the failed policies will have the OBAMA name on them instead of Bush.  Obama sure has followed in the footsteps WAY more than his followers would have wanted him to.....but we shall see.  Oh, and I never said Bush was perfect, but you do know hes been gone a year now, right?

Actually, I have never said Bush is perfect, either.  In fact, I consider him the most incompetent @sshole to ever occupy the Oval Office.  He has been gone a year... but his legacy will hurt us for a decade, as bad as this sorry bastid has been in office.
 
Any president, Republican or Democrat, must struggle mightily with the 'dog turds of office' that Bush has left us.
 
God bless the man... and may he never get anywhere where he can f*ck up the US like he did.

[Willow]

  "I didnt expect all of us to agree on this, 99% of us can at least carry on a reasonable converstion.  Youre always gonna have the couple (usually the same ones) that would rather sling mud.  I just duck and continue on.....  cooldude "

Roadkill, you seem to usually have a pretty good head on your shoulders, but I've got to tell you that by count your 99% is really only 87%.    

[Chrisj CMA]

  "I didnt expect all of us to agree on this, 99% of us can at least carry on a reasonable converstion.  Youre always gonna have the couple (usually the same ones) that would rather sling mud.  I just duck and continue on.....  cooldude "

Roadkill, you seem to usually have a pretty good head on your shoulders, but I've got to tell you that by count your 99% is really only 87%.    

I think you got a quote from Roadkill quoting me........so I will have to take the credit for the poor math or the overly optimistic assesement whichever way you choose to frame it....... 

[X Ring]

Actually, I have never said Bush is perfect, either.  In fact, I consider him the most incompetent @sshole to ever occupy the Oval Office.

Really??  I thought that Anti Semite, Carter, held that dubious honor. 
 
Marty

[Chrisj CMA]

Actually, I have never said Bush is perfect, either.  In fact, I consider him the most incompetent @sshole to ever occupy the Oval Office.

Really??  I thought that Anti Semite, Carter, held that dubious honor. 
 
Marty

Marty, I may be wrong, but I think Carter was a Democrat......that would mean that whatever he did wrong was obviously someone elses (a Republican) fault. 

[fstsix]

Geees.... SE i am starting to think maybe you dont like that last President? http://www.herbhost.com/bush/bush.htm

[X Ring]

Ya know, I think he was.  So military families being on welfare and food stamps because Carter refused to give the military a pay raise must have been Ford's fault.  Ford must have forced Carter to ask his teenage daughter, Amy, for advice on nuclear disarmament.  I was 12 when he went into office and I thought that was incredulous.  Then there was the hand wringing over the Iranian Embassy Hostage Crisis.  Of course, if he hadn't gutted the CIA, we may have known what every street vendor in Tehran knew was going to happen, the overthrow of the shah.

Marty

[asfltdncr]

Maybe he is trying something strange like "know thy enemy".
Maybe he would like someone in his administration that at least speaks Arabic after the previous administration's cleansing the military of "all those fags" which just so happened to be Arabic translaters.
"The sky is falling, the sky is falling".

[fstsix]

IT'S GONNA GET UGLY!!!
> >
> > This morning, from a cave somewhere in Pakistan, Taliban Minister of
> > Migration, Mohammed Omar, warned the United States that if military actions
> > in Iraq and Afghanistan continue, the Taliban authorities intend to cut off
> > America's supply of Convenience Store Managers and possibly Motel 6
> > Managers.
> >
> > And if this action does not yield sufficient results, Cab Drivers will be
> > next, followed by DELL, Norton, and AOL Customer Service Reps.
> >
> > Finally, if all else fails, they have threatened not to send us any more
> > candidates for President of the United States!
> >

[Chrisj CMA]

IT'S GONNA GET UGLY!!!
> >
> > This morning, from a cave somewhere in Pakistan, Taliban Minister of
> > Migration, Mohammed Omar, warned the United States that if military actions
> > in Iraq and Afghanistan continue, the Taliban authorities intend to cut off
> > America's supply of Convenience Store Managers and possibly Motel 6
> > Managers.
> >
> > And if this action does not yield sufficient results, Cab Drivers will be
> > next, followed by DELL, Norton, and AOL Customer Service Reps.
> >
> > Finally, if all else fails, they have threatened not to send us any more
> > candidates for President of the United States!
> >

That there is darned funny   

[fstsix]

IT'S GONNA GET UGLY!!!
> >
> > This morning, from a cave somewhere in Pakistan, Taliban Minister of
> > Migration, Mohammed Omar, warned the United States that if military actions
> > in Iraq and Afghanistan continue, the Taliban authorities intend to cut off
> > America's supply of Convenience Store Managers and possibly Motel 6
> > Managers.
> >
> > And if this action does not yield sufficient results, Cab Drivers will be
> > next, followed by DELL, Norton, and AOL Customer Service Reps.
> >
> > Finally, if all else fails, they have threatened not to send us any more
> > candidates for President of the United States!
> >

That there is darned funny   

Sometimes we all have to remember, it is just all in fun! 

[Charlie]

Thanks romeo and fstsix.....I thought Id get flamed, but I feel strongly about my positon and no matter how not politically correct it may seem to some, I make no apologies because its real, and we need to wake up to it.  Its just nice to not be alone..........There are some good folks out there that are Muslim, I understand this.....but there are many that arent.  The pendulum is swung to the side of hoping all are good, it needs to swing back towards the side that some may be a danger without crossing over to unecessary persecution IMHO

Two issues with your statement Chris:

 First you say there are "some" good folks that are Muslim.  Then you say "there are many that aren't", as if the "some" are a few and the "many" are most.  If I were to write the statement, I would reverse the words "some" and "many" within the sentences.  I believe most are good, honorable, people who do not want any harm to come to anybody, regardless of religious beliefs.  I compare the "few" who do to be a threat, just like I compare the "few" religious skinheads (who claim to be christians) to be a threat.

Second, I agree with your statement that "some" may be a danger and feel a more thorough investigation should be done by the government to assure the choices made by our politicians are good ones.  I believe the thorough investigation I am suggesting will happen, so I doubt the choice is a danger to us.

[Chrisj CMA]

Thanks romeo and fstsix.....I thought Id get flamed, but I feel strongly about my positon and no matter how not politically correct it may seem to some, I make no apologies because its real, and we need to wake up to it.  Its just nice to not be alone..........There are some good folks out there that are Muslim, I understand this.....but there are many that arent.  The pendulum is swung to the side of hoping all are good, it needs to swing back towards the side that some may be a danger without crossing over to unecessary persecution IMHO

Two issues with your statement Chris:

 First you say there are "some" good folks that are Muslim.  Then you say "there are many that aren't", as if the "some" are a few and the "many" are most.  If I were to write the statement, I would reverse the words "some" and "many" within the sentences.  I believe most are good, honorable, people who do not want any harm to come to anybody, regardless of religious beliefs.  I compare the "few" who do to be a threat, just like I compare the "few" religious skinheads (who claim to be christians) to be a threat.

Second, I agree with your statement that "some" may be a danger and feel a more thorough investigation should be done by the government to assure the choices made by our politicians are good ones.  I believe the thorough investigation I am suggesting will happen, so I doubt the choice is a danger to us.

How many is some, and how many is many.......Theres no way to broach this subjuct and not be made to sound prejudice, I realized that at the beginning.  I am just sick and tired of the eggshells we have to walk on with certain groups so no one gets offended.  My whole point started with the observation/criticizm that our government seems to be more afraid of hurting feelings than they are of making bad policy choices or decisions........I hope they start Vetting all the appointees, hasnt happened yet (effectively anyway), but maybe they are learning.

[fstsix]

I’ve said before that the problem with religion is that it’s easier than following Jesus.  It is usually a given that something is wrong with us, wrong with the world, perhaps critically or else just a little off, but most people agree that something must be done because all is not right in the world as it is.  Religion, in most cases, offers us the chance to do something.  If we read the right book, say the right things, act right, talk right and treat each others the right way we can “fix” what is wrong.  Religion, as such, is worthless.  But what could I mean that Jesus was not religious?

The religious leaders of his day were the Pharisees, and a careful reading of the Gospels shows that Jesus never really had much good to say about them.  He was always willing to share with anyone seeking to understand the truth (i.e. Nicodemus), but as a group Jesus was most likely to call them hypocrites, false teachers, spiritually blind, and sometimes worse.  The Pharisees were the ruling sect of Judaism, and had studied the Law and Prophets well.  But they were sort of like lawyers of their religion.  God had given Moses the Law, certainly, but it was in order to teach people what God was like.  What kind of God would give a command for his people not to kill each other?  Jesus condemned the Pharisees for keeping the letter of the Law but not the spirit of the Law.  They were so legalistic they had missed God.  He reminded them on one occasion that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.  The religious leaders were very religious, but were not teaching the people how to find God.  They were pushing the rules, like first century hall monitors.

Jerusalem was the religious capital of the Jewish world, but Jesus is seldom there.  It is debatable how much time he spent in Jerusalem (we know he entered the temple on occasion, and certainly attended all the required – and some optional – Jewish festivals) but most of the Gospel stories take place on a mountain somewhere, in the wilderness, on the Sea of Galilee, in some tax collectors home, in a cemetery, or else in Samaria of all places.  Jesus went up to Jerusalem from time to time, but those were usually not happy visits.

If Jesus had been interested in religion, he would spent a lot of time in the Jerusalem temple.  The Pharisees would have all been his pals.  Jesus was not interested in religion, nor how religious a person could be.  He wanted people to know that God wanted a relationship with his people.  Jesus said that God’s people would worship Him in spirit and in truth, not on this mountain or in that temple.  Jesus turned the religious world of the Pharisees upside down with his sermon on the mount.  He challenged their notions about tithing with his observation of the widow’s mite.  Jesus broke the Sabbath laws, ate without washing his hands, and had disciples that did not fast.  But he knew more about God than the Pharisees had learned in 4,000 years.

The goal of the Christian should be to become more Christ-like.  There are plenty of religous Christians out there, I know this.  Sometimes they make all of us look bad.  But religion is worthless; Christ is of utmost worth.  Read the Gospels.  Study the parables.  Listen to what Jesus is telling us, and strive to have the mind that he had.  He lowered himself in humility to become not only a human being, but one that was obidient even unto death.  All so that we could know God.  If we have seen Jesus, we have seen God.  Are we trying to see Jesus?

It’s not about what we do, it’s about what Jesus has already done.  That’s the Gospel message.  This is the good news.  Have you shared the good news lately?  Do you give a dollar (or ten) to the beggar on the sidewalk, or just feel glad when you walk by that you’re not in his place?  The Pharisee thanked God that he was not the tax collector, you know, the one who fell on his face and asked God for mercy.  Guess who Jesus said was righteous.  Do you walk into a room and pick out who’s going to hell, or make sure that every person you meet knows how to get to heaven?

Jesus was not religious.  He was in a relationship with God the Father, and wanted the same for us.

If we have the heart of Jesus, we will not be religious either.  If we do what Jesus would do, we will spend time in prayer because we seek after God and desire to be filled with his spirit.  We will read the Bible to learn of his tender mercies.  We will tell others the good news of Jesus Christ.  We will tithe – and give – to our local church, charitable organizations, and to missions.  Not in order to be religious; because we are seeking after God and his righteousness.  There are a lot of good religions out there.  There is only one Way, Truth and Life.

[Chrisj CMA]

I’ve said before that the problem with religion is that it’s easier than following Jesus.  It is usually a given that something is wrong with us, wrong with the world, perhaps critically or else just a little off, but most people agree that something must be done because all is not right in the world as it is.  Religion, in most cases, offers us the chance to do something.  If we read the right book, say the right things, act right, talk right and treat each others the right way we can “fix” what is wrong.  Religion, as such, is worthless.  But what could I mean that Jesus was not religious?

The religious leaders of his day were the Pharisees, and a careful reading of the Gospels shows that Jesus never really had much good to say about them.  He was always willing to share with anyone seeking to understand the truth (i.e. Nicodemus), but as a group Jesus was most likely to call them hypocrites, false teachers, spiritually blind, and sometimes worse.  The Pharisees were the ruling sect of Judaism, and had studied the Law and Prophets well.  But they were sort of like lawyers of their religion.  God had given Moses the Law, certainly, but it was in order to teach people what God was like.  What kind of God would give a command for his people not to kill each other?  Jesus condemned the Pharisees for keeping the letter of the Law but not the spirit of the Law.  They were so legalistic they had missed God.  He reminded them on one occasion that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.  The religious leaders were very religious, but were not teaching the people how to find God.  They were pushing the rules, like first century hall monitors.

Jerusalem was the religious capital of the Jewish world, but Jesus is seldom there.  It is debatable how much time he spent in Jerusalem (we know he entered the temple on occasion, and certainly attended all the required – and some optional – Jewish festivals) but most of the Gospel stories take place on a mountain somewhere, in the wilderness, on the Sea of Galilee, in some tax collectors home, in a cemetery, or else in Samaria of all places.  Jesus went up to Jerusalem from time to time, but those were usually not happy visits.

If Jesus had been interested in religion, he would spent a lot of time in the Jerusalem temple.  The Pharisees would have all been his pals.  Jesus was not interested in religion, nor how religious a person could be.  He wanted people to know that God wanted a relationship with his people.  Jesus said that God’s people would worship Him in spirit and in truth, not on this mountain or in that temple.  Jesus turned the religious world of the Pharisees upside down with his sermon on the mount.  He challenged their notions about tithing with his observation of the widow’s mite.  Jesus broke the Sabbath laws, ate without washing his hands, and had disciples that did not fast.  But he knew more about God than the Pharisees had learned in 4,000 years.

The goal of the Christian should be to become more Christ-like.  There are plenty of religous Christians out there, I know this.  Sometimes they make all of us look bad.  But religion is worthless; Christ is of utmost worth.  Read the Gospels.  Study the parables.  Listen to what Jesus is telling us, and strive to have the mind that he had.  He lowered himself in humility to become not only a human being, but one that was obidient even unto death.  All so that we could know God.  If we have seen Jesus, we have seen God.  Are we trying to see Jesus?

It’s not about what we do, it’s about what Jesus has already done.  That’s the Gospel message.  This is the good news.  Have you shared the good news lately?  Do you give a dollar (or ten) to the beggar on the sidewalk, or just feel glad when you walk by that you’re not in his place?  The Pharisee thanked God that he was not the tax collector, you know, the one who fell on his face and asked God for mercy.  Guess who Jesus said was righteous.  Do you walk into a room and pick out who’s going to hell, or make sure that every person you meet knows how to get to heaven?

Jesus was not religious.  He was in a relationship with God the Father, and wanted the same for us.

If we have the heart of Jesus, we will not be religious either.  If we do what Jesus would do, we will spend time in prayer because we seek after God and desire to be filled with his spirit.  We will read the Bible to learn of his tender mercies.  We will tell others the good news of Jesus Christ.  We will tithe – and give – to our local church, charitable organizations, and to missions.  Not in order to be religious; because we are seeking after God and his righteousness.  There are a lot of good religions out there.  There is only one Way, Truth and Life.

Exactly Right!

[Skinhead]

Two issues with your statement Chris:

 First you say there are "some" good folks that are Muslim.  Then you say "there are many that aren't", as if the "some" are a few and the "many" are most.  If I were to write the statement, I would reverse the words "some" and "many" within the sentences.  I believe most are good, honorable, people who do not want any harm to come to anybody, regardless of religious beliefs.  I compare the "few" who do to be a threat, just like I compare the "few" religious skinheads (who claim to be christians) to be a threat.

Charlie!!   Where's the love, man?  Some of us skinheads are good people, many are not. 

[fast black]

fstsix is correct
fast black

[RoadKill]

 "I didnt expect all of us to agree on this, 99% of us can at least carry on a reasonable converstion.  Youre always gonna have the couple (usually the same ones) that would rather sling mud.  I just duck and continue on.....  cooldude "

Roadkill, you seem to usually have a pretty good head on your shoulders, but I've got to tell you that by count your 99% is really only 87%.    

I must give Chris the credit on the numbers and as far as a "pretty good head" that also must be a case of mistaken Identity. I dont believe in either set of numbers given anyhow because both 99 and 87 percent is just a statistic based on whether you definition of "reasonable converstion ' is liberal or conservative and I'm still working on what that definition of what "is" is (Bill Clinton still has me confused on that one  ).

But seriously I dont think Chris is being bigoted here as much as I think he is letting a stereo type influence his belief . One of the very few things he and I dont agree on. I must agree however that we have MUCH more to fear than non christian appointees within our dysfunctional government.

[fstsix]

Jesus ended up in here from his opinion,Hope we dont. never had the desire to visit the lost in prison, that is once i realized that part of the Bible was written from Prison.

[RoadKill]

  fstsix ,I dont know if I got your point there. Are you sayin  imprisoment for your beliefs/religion/opinion is where you will draw the line even though they  are going to take away most of your other rights first ?

[Charlie]

Two issues with your statement Chris:

 First you say there are "some" good folks that are Muslim.  Then you say "there are many that aren't", as if the "some" are a few and the "many" are most.  If I were to write the statement, I would reverse the words "some" and "many" within the sentences.  I believe most are good, honorable, people who do not want any harm to come to anybody, regardless of religious beliefs.  I compare the "few" who do to be a threat, just like I compare the "few" religious skinheads (who claim to be christians) to be a threat.

Yea Skinhead, there are always exceptions to the rule!!!  And you are certainly one!  lol

Please note the key word in the statement is "few".  You don't fall into that catagory, Bro!!
Charlie!!   Where's the love, man?  Some of us skinheads are good people, many are not.