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Based on that info, bet the truck driver was texting.
Huh I know all too often texting and driving causes MVC’s. But where did this come from? We have all drifted into another lane (if you say you haven’t you are not truthful with yourself) hell he could have been looking do n at his radio or even nodding off for that matter.
If, the truck driver was texting or on the phone, the phone service provider will let the world know. If, the phone survived the crash and fire, it will also tell the tale. Rams Understood 100% but just to say that is (I bet) what happened is BS. I get highly pissed when I see drivers texting and bring it to most of their attention. But not gonna lay money that is what happened. I doubt Bill is looking for a monetary bet. It's just an expression. Ha, you'd be right there Rob, besides, you still owe me  I've been thinking of starting up a brewery in the garage, in order to keep up with my debts. |
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« Reply #41 on: June 25, 2019, 04:33:52 AM » |
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I hope the company that hired and continued to employ this dude has to pay a price also. I can't make any heads or tails from all the carnage and markings on the road. Hopefully the cops will be able to.
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« Reply #43 on: June 25, 2019, 05:48:14 PM » |
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That's my lovely state of Massachusetts in a nutshell. Slap on the wrist (if they even get that) for criminals, and continually restricting the rights of law-abiding citizens. Don't worry; I won't California your Texas. If by the grace of God my family and I do end up there, rest assured, I will not CA or MA your state. |
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« Reply #44 on: June 25, 2019, 06:04:52 PM » |
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Mass RMV dirty?? Ya kidding?
That biotch should hang just like the commie that was driving the truck.
Former governor Devil Patrick is responsible for filling the RMV with illegal immigrant workers that sold licenses like candy to their country people. I worked with a guy from an island, he had a Class A license, but couldn’t back up a car never mind a semi.
Call me whatever you want, facts are facts.
This pisses me off...so preventable...
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« Reply #45 on: June 26, 2019, 12:44:52 AM » |
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Don't have proof, only a comment heard, owner of company previously owned a troubled bus company that had history of issues.
On another note, maybe just a coincidence, but passing through a New Hampshire scale house yesterday they didn't seem to have much interest in big trucks but did see some little ones with goosenecks and tag a longs pulled to the side.
As far as what the previous Governor created, allowed and cost this state is a crime itself.
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« Reply #47 on: June 26, 2019, 07:11:34 AM » |
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If the investigation ever gets done,all those who did not fulfill their duties in govt and arrest or take away this guys credentials to drive should be held just as responsible as him. That is my opinion
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« Reply #48 on: June 26, 2019, 07:14:56 AM » |
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If the investigation ever gets done,all those who did not fulfill their duties in govt and arrest or take away this guys credentials to drive should be held just as responsible as him. That is my opinion
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« Reply #50 on: July 03, 2019, 06:36:51 AM » |
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I did wonder how close the bikes were to each other. Front to rear.
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« Reply #51 on: July 03, 2019, 07:19:08 AM » |
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Sad to say but the only way to keep someone from driving is to put them in jail. Suspended/Revoked Licenses don't deter this at all - they just make the penalty for the next one that much higher. |
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« Reply #52 on: July 03, 2019, 08:38:26 AM » |
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Bigwolf, what do you see there?
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The photo I was looking at is, of course, not the whole crash scene and therefore cannot be relied upon to tell the full story. But that photo does appear to show the truck off the biker’s side of the road and the trailer behind it with skid marks on the road that appear to have been made by the truck or trailer as it slid that direction. That tells me that the truck and trailer were not jackknifed when they went off the road. They might have been a moment earlier, but not when the truck left the road. The short distance between some of the bikes and the truck/trailer tells me that the truck was running over bikes as it left the road. In other words, the entire truck and trailer were likely in the oncoming lane when hitting the last few bikes. But again, that is the indication of one photo of one very small part of what I expect is a very large crash scene and therefore, the indications in this photo could also, by themselves, be misleading. It is best to let the crash scene investigators that actually viewed the scene tell us what they believe happened. My comment earlier was not meant to diagnose what happened, nor is the paragraph that I just wrote. I was just trying to point out that the information we are getting is just bits and pieces at best and certainly not nearly complete enough to make assumptions. By now, it is pretty certain that the driver of the truck is at fault and should not have been driving anyway. I hope that this terrible tragedy brings enough attention to a wholly failing system that changes will be made and some such tragedies can be avoided in the future. I am appalled that this happened. My heart weeps for these dead and for their friends and families. I am angry that we again have a terrible tragedy to remind us that our government is not doing what it is supposed to be doing. |
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My Heart grieves for all those needlessly killed.  I PRAY for them and their families. Up until Feb of 2009 I Proudly held a C D L license which in turn due too a Lot of hard work afforded me a good living wage. Everything I read all the classes I attended with my employers were designed to keep me trucking SAFELY. I was subjected to random urine tests Anywhere in the country and at Any time. About a 12 hour hold til prelim results came in. I NEVER failed Any random drug/alcohol test-NEVER. What this sorry sumbitch excuse for a person did is totally inexcusable. His death at the hands of gubmint will NOT EVER bring back those he killed. I'd like to see him rot in some cesspool of a prison for the rest of his life. RIDE SAFE. |
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« Reply #54 on: July 03, 2019, 03:58:58 PM » |
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Bigwolf, what do you see there?
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The photo I was looking at is, of course, not the whole crash scene and therefore cannot be relied upon to tell the full story. But that photo does appear to show the truck off the biker’s side of the road and the trailer behind it with skid marks on the road that appear to have been made by the truck or trailer as it slid that direction. That tells me that the truck and trailer were not jackknifed when they went off the road. They might have been a moment earlier, but not when the truck left the road. The short distance between some of the bikes and the truck/trailer tells me that the truck was running over bikes as it left the road. In other words, the entire truck and trailer were likely in the oncoming lane when hitting the last few bikes. But again, that is the indication of one photo of one very small part of what I expect is a very large crash scene and therefore, the indications in this photo could also, by themselves, be misleading. It is best to let the crash scene investigators that actually viewed the scene tell us what they believe happened. My comment earlier was not meant to diagnose what happened, nor is the paragraph that I just wrote. I was just trying to point out that the information we are getting is just bits and pieces at best and certainly not nearly complete enough to make assumptions. By now, it is pretty certain that the driver of the truck is at fault and should not have been driving anyway. I hope that this terrible tragedy brings enough attention to a wholly failing system that changes will be made and some such tragedies can be avoided in the future. I am appalled that this happened. My heart weeps for these dead and for their friends and families. I am angry that we again have a terrible tragedy to remind us that our government is not doing what it is supposed to be doing. Bigwolf, Hope I didn’t come across as questioning you and what you saw in that picture. I thought you picked up on something I missed. I guess at this point it really doesn’t matter how it all happened. People that have a job to keep us safe failed to do so. Think about how many mistakes were made to enable this tragedy to occur. I saw an interview with an injured riders’ lawyer today. They are suing the driver, trucking company, RMV employee that quit, the RMV, and maybe the Comm. of MA. Hope he gets millions. He has had multiple surgeries, more to come and remains in the hospital. I was a state employee for 10 years, the system (every department) is so broken there is no chance it will ever be fixed. Sad... Well said Dennis, personally, I’m thinking some biker in prison with him will end his miserable existence. Craig |
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« Reply #57 on: July 04, 2019, 04:38:03 AM » |
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It appears you are guilty of the same thing you are accusing others of. He was drunk ? Nothing I've read says he was drunk at the time of the crash. I've read there was drug paraphernalia in the truck, so it's entirely possible he was under the influence of some drug (heroin ?). Wouldn't your "Texas Justice" be speculating on his guilt ? Isn't that also what you are accusing others of ? |
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« Reply #58 on: July 04, 2019, 04:44:37 AM » |
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It appears you are guilty of the same thing you are accusing others of. He was drunk ? Nothing I've read says he was drunk at the time of the crash. I've read there was drug paraphernalia in the truck, so it's entirely possible he was under the influence of some drug (heroin ?). Wouldn't your "Texas Justice" be speculating on his guilt ? Isn't that also what you are accusing others of ? Did Hell just freeze over? We agree on this. Not enough published information to make such an accusation at this time. Speculation, very possible. Proven, no. Rams |
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« Reply #61 on: July 04, 2019, 08:09:06 AM » |
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It appears you are guilty of the same thing you are accusing others of. He was drunk ? Nothing I've read says he was drunk at the time of the crash. I've read there was drug paraphernalia in the truck, so it's entirely possible he was under the influence of some drug (heroin ?). Wouldn't your "Texas Justice" be speculating on his guilt ? Isn't that also what you are accusing others of ? Ha, that's calling em as ya see em, Rob. I was guilty of being an "Expert" cept don't think I said I KNEW he was texting, I said I'd BET he was and then modified that to "chances are". After seeing the vid of the "punks" arrest in TX in a restaurant, my new expert opinion is he was under the influence of meth or heroin. And maybe texting too |
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« Reply #62 on: July 04, 2019, 10:48:11 AM » |
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It appears you are guilty of the same thing you are accusing others of. He was drunk ? Nothing I've read says he was drunk at the time of the crash. I've read there was drug paraphernalia in the truck, so it's entirely possible he was under the influence of some drug (heroin ?). Wouldn't your "Texas Justice" be speculating on his guilt ? Isn't that also what you are accusing others of ? Ha, that's calling em as ya see em, Rob. I was guilty of being an "Expert" cept don't think I said I KNEW he was texting, I said I'd BET he was and then modified that to "chances are". After seeing the vid of the "punks" arrest in TX in a restaurant, my new expert opinion is he was under the influence of meth or heroin. And maybe texting too I think what upsets me more about this whole thing (over than the riders deaths) is the utter failure of the state licensing failures. I suspect those govt. workers made pretty good money and benefits and just completely dropped many balls. In this day and age of instantaneous info, his license should have been pulled 3 seconds after the very FIRST incident. I would think the lawyers are lining up to extract money from the state for their inaction. |
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« Reply #63 on: July 04, 2019, 11:06:10 AM » |
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I will never understand why all the "experts" always speculate on what happened before any of the facts are even out. Just blows my mind every time.
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In this day and age of instantaneous info, his license should have been pulled 3 seconds after the very FIRST incident. I would think the lawyers are lining up to extract money from the state for their inaction.
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In this day and age of instantaneous info, his license should have been pulled 3 seconds after the very FIRST incident. I would think the lawyers are lining up to extract money from the state for their inaction.
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