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« on: June 28, 2019, 07:03:15 AM » |
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Here's a good YouTube channel to learn better riding techniques. Kali's enthusiasm is why I'm posting this. https://youtu.be/BsmeCwynXE4 |
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Valker
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« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2019, 08:34:08 AM » |
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Kevin is great. I am proud of what he is doing. PS- I trained him as a RiderCoach many years ago.  |
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I ride a motorcycle because nothing transports me as quickly from where I am to who I am.
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Ken aka Oil Burner
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« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2019, 09:02:31 AM » |
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He used to have a Valkyrie, but then he lost his way... Actually, I don't trash anyone's opinion about what to ride. I guess I'm pro-choice  Kevin is a good YouTube personality. Not over-enthusiastic like some others, and usually hits the mark about whatever he's speaking of. |
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« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2019, 06:23:57 AM » |
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I've liked the videos of his that I've watched, knowledgeable, and not overhyped. What he has to say agrees with my ~40 years of riding experiance, on everything from a 400 CC twin to my Valkyrie.
Apply some of his tips to your cage driving as well, and you will be a better cage driver too.
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« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2019, 07:25:36 AM » |
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Oh about his tip to lean over more - I've seen very few riders who can ride so hard that they lift their tires off the pavement by grinding hard parts. It's hard enough to get your foot pegs to touch ( something I pursued in college and right after on 750cc Sport bikes).
One thing he didn't mention (maybe he didn't think it was part of this subject) is that you need to get your braking done BEFORE you go into the corner. If your tires are braking as well as trying to turn, you are taking away some of the turning traction by applying it to braking traction - and you only have so much traction.
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Ken aka Oil Burner
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« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2019, 07:42:56 AM » |
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One thing he didn't mention (maybe he didn't think it was part of this subject) is that you need to get your braking done BEFORE you go into the corner. If your tires are braking as well as trying to turn, you are taking away some of the turning traction by applying it to braking traction - and you only have so much traction.
Depends on who you ask. Many people use some amount of trail braking, whether they realize it or not. Obviously, employing full braking in a corner will be trouble, but some braking isn't necessarily bad. |
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« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2019, 08:12:10 AM » |
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One thing he didn't mention (maybe he didn't think it was part of this subject) is that you need to get your braking done BEFORE you go into the corner. If your tires are braking as well as trying to turn, you are taking away some of the turning traction by applying it to braking traction - and you only have so much traction.
Depends on who you ask. Many people use some amount of trail braking, whether they realize it or not. Obviously, employing full braking in a corner will be trouble, but some braking isn't necessarily bad. The trick with that is knowing how much you can get away with. For sure - locking your wheels with the brakes will lead to problems. Back when the Big 4 Japanese makers were using turbos in their 500 - 750cc, the bike magazines found it best on all of them to keep the bike either on the turbo or off it - and the way to keep on turbo was to do the trail braking to spool it up. Overall - they found the normally aspirated liter bikes to be easier to ride / make speed on. |
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Ken aka Oil Burner
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« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2019, 08:25:00 AM » |
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The trick with that is knowing how much you can get away with. For sure - locking your wheels with the brakes will lead to problems.
Agreed. Honestly, I think every motorcyclist should do a track-day at some point. At least around here, there are a few non-sportbike track days every season, with everything from adventure touring bikes to fully dressed cross country luxury bikes. In one day, you can learn so much about your bike, and you can do it on a clean surface with no texting teenagers in their cars aiming at you. Like I said, I do agree with your original statement for the most part; if you need to grab a handful of the whoa grip and pedal, you best do it before you get into the corner. But, if I'm still going a bit too fast to make it, I'll gladly employ some trail braking rather than overrun the corner. Every situation is different, and requires it's own amount of finesse. |
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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2019, 06:23:24 AM » |
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Thanks for the link, she watched it. I'm still trying to get her to read what I consider the bible of safe motorcycling, Proficient Motorcycling: The Ultimate Guide to Riding Well by David L. Hough. The knowledge and techniques in that book have saved my bacon numerous times over the years! But alas, getting her to pick up a book that isn't a teen romance is like pulling teeth...
And an extra thanks to Valker, one of the techniques he taught Kali, she told me about and I used a few times in the twisties on the way home - if you're leaned over in a curve, need to lean more but don't think you can, try to kiss your mirror.....
Sounds silly, but it works!
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Never ask a geek 'Why?',just nod your head and slowly back away...  IBA# 22107 VRCC# 7976 VRCCDS# 226 1998 Valkyrie Standard 2008 Gold Wing Taxation is theft. μολὼν λαβέ |
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« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2019, 06:33:56 AM » |
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Thanks for the link, she watched it. I'm still trying to get her to read what I consider the bible of safe motorcycling, Proficient Motorcycling: The Ultimate Guide to Riding Well by David L. Hough. The knowledge and techniques in that book have saved my bacon numerous times over the years! But alas, getting her to pick up a book that isn't a teen romance is like pulling teeth...
And an extra thanks to Valker, one of the techniques he taught Kali, she told me about and I used a few times in the twisties on the way home - if you're leaned over in a curve, need to lean more but don't think you can, try to kiss your mirror.....
Sounds silly, but it works!
Under control you can scrape the footpegs and just smile. Try shifting your butt weight. Going round to the right roll some weight off your left buttock and just lean your upper body a tad more to the right. You can try this on a looooong sweeper. Lean bike and then adjust your body position and you should find the bike angle of lean increases or decreases. A bit more body lean leads to a little less bike lean and a more secure tire/road partnership. |
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Reb
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« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2019, 09:34:16 AM » |
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Thanks for the link, she watched it. I'm still trying to get her to read what I consider the bible of safe motorcycling, Proficient Motorcycling: The Ultimate Guide to Riding Well by David L. Hough. The knowledge and techniques in that book have saved my bacon numerous times over the years! But alas, getting her to pick up a book that isn't a teen romance is like pulling teeth...
And an extra thanks to Valker, one of the techniques he taught Kali, she told me about and I used a few times in the twisties on the way home - if you're leaned over in a curve, need to lean more but don't think you can, try to kiss your mirror.....
Sounds silly, but it works!
Under control you can scrape the footpegs and just smile. Try shifting your butt weight. Going round to the right roll some weight off your left buttock and just lean your upper body a tad more to the right. You can try this on a looooong sweeper. Lean bike and then adjust your body position and you should find the bike angle of lean increases or decreases. A bit more body lean leads to a little less bike lean and a more secure tire/road partnership. What Britman said, then stretch your knee out!   fallout new vegas all legendary creatures |
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« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2019, 10:26:18 AM » |
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Thanks for the link, she watched it. I'm still trying to get her to read what I consider the bible of safe motorcycling, Proficient Motorcycling: The Ultimate Guide to Riding Well by David L. Hough. The knowledge and techniques in that book have saved my bacon numerous times over the years! But alas, getting her to pick up a book that isn't a teen romance is like pulling teeth...
And an extra thanks to Valker, one of the techniques he taught Kali, she told me about and I used a few times in the twisties on the way home - if you're leaned over in a curve, need to lean more but don't think you can, try to kiss your mirror.....
Sounds silly, but it works!
A tip I’ve found also helps is to focus on pointing your chest where you want to go. Not just the head, but the chest too. |
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Leathel
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« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2019, 03:59:05 PM » |
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And an extra thanks to Valker, one of the techniques he taught Kali, she told me about and I used a few times in the twisties on the way home - if you're leaned over in a curve, need to lean more but don't think you can, try to kiss your mirror.....
Sounds silly, but it works!
On our track training day the teaching was to bend the elbow, does the same thing, pulls you body forward & out, it really helps get around the corners without scraping  |
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