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Mad6gun : “Not long ago during a dem debate ALL not one or two, but ALL of the candidates raised their hands when asked if they would give FREE Healthcare to illegals.“
Maybe that’s what you saw on Facebook or Fox News, but it’s incorrect. (Did you watch the debate ?)
In Kansas - the Democrat debates / primary is a waste of time. Overwhelmingly Republican for President - even if the candidate is a not nice person and has other undesireable qualities. |
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He will be impeached, the Senate will kill that and we will have all wasted our time. He will continue to serve out his term but I don't think it's likely that he will be re-elected.
Every President is polarizing but the last two have engendered real hatred amongst people. Families arguing, internet rage... It's all because they were both extreme representations of their parties. We need a moderate. Someone who is more interested in repairing the division that has cropped up in this country than in his/her own self-aggrandizement.
With a President who appeals to the extreme side of their party and a congress that leans extremely the other way, nothing ever gets done except for pisssing contests.
The whole concept of rabid loyalty to a particular party baffles me. Parties are meaningless. It's about ideals. The extreme right wants to bring back the wild west and the extreme left wants to enact Orwell's "1984" Both ideas suck.
My ideal President: A person who is loyal to a vision of the greater good. Who is not loyal to any particular party, rather their loyalty lies with the people they serve. Someone who understands that strength and humbleness are not mutually exclusive.
That person is not Donald Trump. That person is not any of the Democratic candidates so far either. We shall see.
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Very well said. You point out the personality traits of President Trump that irritates so many people. I don’t think that they do or should cloud anyone’s reality as to what he has accomplished in 3 years with 95 % negative press and a House majority that has clamored for impeachment since his inauguration. I agree with your assessment of the current Democratic field too. But the fact remains that Trump will be the Republican running for re-election and heaven only knows who will represent the Democrats but we will have to make a choice. Given what I know right now the choice will be an easy one for me. Do I wish Trump met all your qualifications? In a way yes, but then He wouldn’t be Trump anymore. Personalities aside, the policies that Trump has implemented and those he is still trying to implement have been positive for everyone regardless of your color, ethnicity, religion or economic station in life. For a billionaire, he relates to you and I better than any recent President in my memory. I am constantly reminded of the Democratic juggernaut that was Hilliary Clinton whose loss in 2016 set most of the last 3 years in motion. It became crystal clear during her campaign that many Americans were classless deplorables that didn’t deserve consideration. Yet she is still held in high regard by a large measure of the population. |
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« Reply #44 on: December 12, 2019, 07:51:01 AM » |
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He will be impeached, the Senate will kill that and we will have all wasted our time. He will continue to serve out his term but I don't think it's likely that he will be re-elected.
Every President is polarizing but the last two have engendered real hatred amongst people. Families arguing, internet rage... It's all because they were both extreme representations of their parties. We need a moderate. Someone who is more interested in repairing the division that has cropped up in this country than in his/her own self-aggrandizement.
With a President who appeals to the extreme side of their party and a congress that leans extremely the other way, nothing ever gets done except for pisssing contests.
The whole concept of rabid loyalty to a particular party baffles me. Parties are meaningless. It's about ideals. The extreme right wants to bring back the wild west and the extreme left wants to enact Orwell's "1984" Both ideas suck.
My ideal President: A person who is loyal to a vision of the greater good. Who is not loyal to any particular party, rather their loyalty lies with the people they serve. Someone who understands that strength and humbleness are not mutually exclusive.
That person is not Donald Trump. That person is not any of the Democratic candidates so far either. We shall see.
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Very well said. You point out the personality traits of President Trump that irritates so many people. I don’t think that they do or should cloud anyone’s reality as to what he has accomplished in 3 years with 95 % negative press and a House majority that has clamored for impeachment since his inauguration. I agree with your assessment of the current Democratic field too. But the fact remains that Trump will be the Republican running for re-election and heaven only knows who will represent the Democrats but we will have to make a choice. Given what I know right now the choice will be an easy one for me. Do I wish Trump met all your qualifications? In a way yes, but then He wouldn’t be Trump anymore. Personalities aside, the policies that Trump has implemented and those he is still trying to implement have been positive for everyone regardless of your color, ethnicity, religion or economic station in life. For a billionaire, he relates to you and I better than any recent President in my memory. I am constantly reminded of the Democratic juggernaut that was Hilliary Clinton whose loss in 2016 set most of the last 3 years in motion. It became crystal clear during her campaign that many Americans were classless deplorables that didn’t deserve consideration. Yet she is still held in high regard by a large measure of the population. I was never a fan of Hillary either. Honestly (and I've put a lot of thought into this) I think that we need a person like Bush Sr. I think he was underrated because he wasn't sensational. He just did his job. Did I agree with all of his policies, beliefs and decisions? No. Did I trust his competency and respect him? Yes. Ever since he left office things have been sliding downhill. |
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Serk, I know you are smarter than that. (Free ?)
Are you really trying to argue that "Raise your hand if your government plan would provide coverage for undocumented immigrants" (Direct quote of the question that was asked) doesn't mean "Give illegal aliens free healthcare?" |
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Whats is amazing is we are arguing and wondering about the policies of the candidates.
Yet the election process itself, the one that is supposed to guarantee our vote be counted, the ones all the liberals were up in arms about Russia collusion is really in question.
So if the process is faulty, then it does not matter who they run.
Liberal or conservative you dont count.
But on the lighter side they cheated, lied, manipulated, got the media to report false numbers and the still LOST. Now doesnt that just warm your heart, and you want them running the country?
If they were really that good and really had so much influence and Trump still won it was either they aren't that smart or divine intervention. Either does not bode well for the dems.
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Budget Office Releases New Legal Memo Indicating Delay In Ukraine Aid Was Routine
Josh Hawley: IG Report Shows ‘Our Own Government Meddling In The Election’ At Behest Of DNC
IG Horowitz Referred The Entire FBI Chain Of Command On Crossfire Hurricane For Further Investigation
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Wow..... They're not even trying to hide it any longer..... This is a coup attempt, nothing more.
Its sink or swim time for them and the US so this is going to get interesting. Graham: FBI Never Made Any Effort To Warn Trump, Not Only That They Used Intel Briefing To Spy On Trump Team Horowitz: DNC Funded Dossier Used To Justify Sending “Confidential Human Sources” To Trump Campaign So in the beginning when Trump said there were spying on him, and people laughed he was actually correct, imagine that. In the response to all those who say Trump did not respond and could be held in contempt here is an article for you How Should The Senate Deal With An Unconstitutional Impeachment By The House? Authored by Alan Dershowitz via The Gatestone Institute, https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/15269/senate-unconstitutional-impeachmentThese two grounds [of impeachment] — abuse of power and obstruction of congress — are not among the criteria specified for impeachment. Neither one is a high crime and misdemeanor. Neither is mentioned in the constitution. Both are the sort of vague, open-ended criteria rejected by the framers. They were rejected precisely to avoid the situation in which our nation currently finds itself. Regardless of the outcome, the damage will have been done by the House majority that will have abused its power by weaponizing the House's authority over impeachment for partisan purposes — exactly as Hamilton feared. Were Congress to vote to impeach President Trump on the two proposed grounds, its action would be unconstitutional. According to Hamilton in Federalist 78, any act of Congress that does not comport with the Constitution is "void." This view was confirmed by the Supreme Court in Marbury v. Madison and is now the law of the land. |
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There is no crime labeled as Obstuction of Congress. https://www.quora.com/Is-obstruction-of-Congress-a-real-crimeAs also stated by many real legal scholars I have heard over the past few months, including Allen Dershowitz. The Republicans held Eric Holder in Contempt over the Fast and Furious scandal early in this decade, which was pretty much meaningless as they have little power to make it mean anything more than a demerit. There is also no crime labeled as “stealing from Walmart”. Doesn’t make it any less of a crime though. Actually there is a crime under which "stealing from Walmart" falls.  Probably be best to stick to meat cutting. Come to think of it you are in lock step with the Democrat congressmen on Schiff's committee and I did hear a CNN commentator say that impeachment doesn't require a crime.  |
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Serk, I know you are smarter than that. (Free ?)
Are you really trying to argue that "Raise your hand if your government plan would provide coverage for undocumented immigrants" (Direct quote of the question that was asked) doesn't mean "Give illegal aliens free healthcare?" I ain’t trying to argue anything. Just stating the facts. If Klobochar’s plan (or anyone else’s) calls for a “public option” (which is not free) and she (or they) would include illegal immigrants being able to buy into it, it is not free healthcare for illegals, as Mad6gun said (and others say). If you guys don’t want illegals included in healthcare, that is a rational point. To incorrectly state that ALL candidates want to give free HC to illegals is just misinformed (or a lie) |
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There is no crime labeled as Obstuction of Congress. https://www.quora.com/Is-obstruction-of-Congress-a-real-crimeAs also stated by many real legal scholars I have heard over the past few months, including Allen Dershowitz. The Republicans held Eric Holder in Contempt over the Fast and Furious scandal early in this decade, which was pretty much meaningless as they have little power to make it mean anything more than a demerit. There is also no crime labeled as “stealing from Walmart”. Doesn’t make it any less of a crime though. Actually there is a crime under which "stealing from Walmart" falls. Probably be best to stick to meat cutting. Come to think of it you are in lock step with the Democrat congressmen on Schiff's committee and I did hear a CNN commentator say that impeachment doesn't require a crime. Uh.... if you know of a statute labeled as “stealing from Walmart” , I’m all ears. The point you seemed to miss is that obstruction of Congress is a crime, regardless of what they call it. |
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« Reply #52 on: December 12, 2019, 08:55:44 AM » |
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Serk, I know you are smarter than that. (Free ?)
Are you really trying to argue that "Raise your hand if your government plan would provide coverage for undocumented immigrants" (Direct quote of the question that was asked) doesn't mean "Give illegal aliens free healthcare?" I ain’t trying to argue anything. Just stating the facts. If Klobochar’s plan (or anyone else’s) calls for a “public option” (which is not free) and she (or they) would include illegal immigrants being able to buy into it, it is not free healthcare for illegals, as Mad6gun said (and others say). If you guys don’t want illegals included in healthcare, that is a rational point. To incorrectly state that ALL candidates want to give free HC to illegals is just misinformed (or a lie) I realize and accept that we view reality through very different lenses but you really, truly, in your heart believe what you just typed is accurate and true? |
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« Reply #53 on: December 12, 2019, 08:58:29 AM » |
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Serk, I know you are smarter than that. (Free ?)
Are you really trying to argue that "Raise your hand if your government plan would provide coverage for undocumented immigrants" (Direct quote of the question that was asked) doesn't mean "Give illegal aliens free healthcare?" I ain’t trying to argue anything. Just stating the facts. If Klobochar’s plan (or anyone else’s) calls for a “public option” (which is not free) and she (or they) would include illegal immigrants being able to buy into it, it is not free healthcare for illegals, as Mad6gun said (and others say). If you guys don’t want illegals included in healthcare, that is a rational point. To incorrectly state that ALL candidates want to give free HC to illegals is just misinformed (or a lie) I realize and accept that we view reality through very different lenses but you really, truly, in your heart believe what you just typed is accurate and true? Did the moderator ask if the candidates plan would give free healthcare to illegals ? |
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« Reply #54 on: December 12, 2019, 09:02:44 AM » |
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Serk, I know you are smarter than that. (Free ?)
Are you really trying to argue that "Raise your hand if your government plan would provide coverage for undocumented immigrants" (Direct quote of the question that was asked) doesn't mean "Give illegal aliens free healthcare?" I ain’t trying to argue anything. Just stating the facts. If Klobochar’s plan (or anyone else’s) calls for a “public option” (which is not free) and she (or they) would include illegal immigrants being able to buy into it, it is not free healthcare for illegals, as Mad6gun said (and others say). If you guys don’t want illegals included in healthcare, that is a rational point. To incorrectly state that ALL candidates want to give free HC to illegals is just misinformed (or a lie) I realize and accept that we view reality through very different lenses but you really, truly, in your heart believe what you just typed is accurate and true? Did the moderator ask if the candidates plan would give free healthcare to illegals ? "Government plan" == free healthcare (Well, free to the parasites, not free for those of us having a majority of our income stolen to fund it of course.) |
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Serk, I know you are smarter than that. (Free ?)
Are you really trying to argue that "Raise your hand if your government plan would provide coverage for undocumented immigrants" (Direct quote of the question that was asked) doesn't mean "Give illegal aliens free healthcare?" I ain’t trying to argue anything. Just stating the facts. If Klobochar’s plan (or anyone else’s) calls for a “public option” (which is not free) and she (or they) would include illegal immigrants being able to buy into it, it is not free healthcare for illegals, as Mad6gun said (and others say). If you guys don’t want illegals included in healthcare, that is a rational point. To incorrectly state that ALL candidates want to give free HC to illegals is just misinformed (or a lie) I realize and accept that we view reality through very different lenses but you really, truly, in your heart believe what you just typed is accurate and true? Did the moderator ask if the candidates plan would give free healthcare to illegals ? "Government plan" == free healthcare (Well, free to the parasites, not free for those of us having a majority of our income stolen to fund it of course.) |
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« Reply #56 on: December 12, 2019, 09:10:53 AM » |
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The words are treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors. Section 4 of Article Two of the United States Constitution.
Our founders were some smart guys and wrote some fantastic stuff, but high crimes and misdemeanors do not exactly go hand in hand.
Some famous misdemeanors are:
Whistling in public
Spitting in public
Swearing, profane speech in public
Dwarf tossing
Horse riding in town faster than 10mph
Winking at a female you are not related to
Serving wine in teacups
Females may not wear a bathing suit on any freeway in KY
Smoking within 100 feet of any public building
Running out of gas on the road
Washing a fish at a faucet, if it's not a fish-washing faucet, in any national forest.
18 U.S.C. §1657 makes it a federal crime to consult with a known pirate.
49 U.S.C. §46316(a) & 14 C.F.R. §105.7(a) make it a federal crime to skydive while drunk.
10 U.S.C. §2674(c)(3) & 32 C.F.R. §234.7(c) make it a federal crime to willfully make an unreasonable noise at the Pentagon.
15 U.S.C. §§330a & 330d make it a federal crime to attempt to change the weather without telling the Secretary of Commerce.
At Rehoboth Beach, it’s illegal to pretend to sleep on a bench on the boardwalk.
I'm not sure misdemeanors in the 1700s were the same as today, and if they were, what were they thinking?
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The point you seemed to miss is that obstruction of Congress is a crime, regardless of what they call it.
I guess all that legal training you got really paid off along with rewriting the constitution, but my bet is with Alan Dershowitz Here is a quote from his article: If the House of Representatives were to impeach President Trump on the two grounds now before it, the senate would be presented with a constitutional dilemma. These two grounds— abuse of power and obstruction of Congress— are not among the criteria specified for impeachment. Neither one is a high crime and misdemeanor. Neither is mentioned in the constitution. Both are the sort of vague, open-ended criteria rejected by the framers. They were rejected precisely to avoid the situation in which our nation currently finds itself. Abuse of power can be charged against virtually every controversial president by the opposing party. And obstruction of Congress — whatever else it may mean — cannot extend to a president invoking privileges and then leave it to the courts to referee conflicts between the legislative and executive branches. I like you quoted a reputable source now find the paragraph and article to support your statement. Also dont forget to include language applicable to the president. |
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I don't know about you, but all but the underlined text above pertains to DJT IMHO. Both parties hate him, only half or a little more than half of the the people support him.  I want to know what kind of person has the ability to battle all the corruption and come out on top. Trump while boasts about some of his achievements leaves a lot out and in a time when he is hit on every side. Maybe one day when the corruption is behind us we can choose a president for all, but for now for kicking butt and taking names Trump is the man and one of the best strategists ever born. |
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The point you seemed to miss is that obstruction of Congress is a crime, regardless of what they call it.
I guess all that legal training you got really paid off along with rewriting the constitution, but my bet is with Alan Dershowitz Here is a quote from his article: If the House of Representatives were to impeach President Trump on the two grounds now before it, the senate would be presented with a constitutional dilemma. These two grounds— abuse of power and obstruction of Congress— are not among the criteria specified for impeachment. Neither one is a high crime and misdemeanor. Neither is mentioned in the constitution. Both are the sort of vague, open-ended criteria rejected by the framers. They were rejected precisely to avoid the situation in which our nation currently finds itself. Abuse of power can be charged against virtually every controversial president by the opposing party. And obstruction of Congress — whatever else it may mean — cannot extend to a president invoking privileges and then leave it to the courts to referee conflicts between the legislative and executive branches. I like you quoted a reputable source now find the paragraph and article to support your statement. Also dont forget to include language applicable to the president. ”You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink”  |
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Are you really trying to argue that "Raise your hand if your government plan would provide coverage for undocumented immigrants" (Direct quote of the question that was asked) doesn't mean "Give illegal aliens free healthcare?" I ain’t trying to argue anything. Just stating the facts. If Klobochar’s plan (or anyone else’s) calls for a “public option” (which is not free) and she (or they) would include illegal immigrants being able to buy into it, it is not free healthcare for illegals, as Mad6gun said (and others say). If you guys don’t want illegals included in healthcare, that is a rational point. To incorrectly state that ALL candidates want to give free HC to illegals is just misinformed (or a lie) They are already getting it free aren’t they? As soon as they cross the boarder they are on the government teat for everything. Maybe if I give you $5.00 at the meat department and you give $100.00 in meat products I’m not getting anything free but that’s not going to work for long. |
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Donald J Trump is the "Global Ambassador For Unfiltered Speech" which was again skillfully on display at the NATO summit, and that is a significant part of why he was elected. He is the Elitist Posterboy for "Unpresidential" in the eyes of the Perpetually Offended PC Lefties, and the stuttering, bare faced dishonest daily rant by the Media Arm of the Democrat Party.
He dismantled 16 seasoned Republican opponents in the primaries, including the smack down of the Bush Dynasty. He then moved on to the no holds barred WWE style smack down of Hillary along with the corrupt Clinton Dynasty.
This made him the D.C. Elite "Enemy of the State", including the Republican Paul Ryan/Mitt Romney Type Rino's that tried to undermine and roadblock him for the first 2 years.
The latest Clown Show Impeachment featuring Jabba the Hutt at the helm, that forgot about the Constitution as well as Due Process is just the next Snake for Trump to grind into the dirt...nobody can predict who will win 2020, but with the present lineup, including Quid Pro Joe, Pocahontas and Alfred E Newman, it sure does not look good for the Democrats. It does, however look like Orange is the New Black for another term.
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« Reply #67 on: December 12, 2019, 02:04:38 PM » |
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I like how you think, and write Mr Patriot. The really strange fact (to me) in all of this is that Trump is not a real conservative at heart or politically. He does have the country's best interest at heart (God bless him), but he is a deal maker and willing to listen (albeit not to leftist horsesh!t, which should never be listened to) and compromise. The opposition could probably have made many compromise deals with him, if they could get over themselves and their obstructionist hatred. The lunatic left (and MSM) have driven Trump right, and hopefully a significant percentage of the US population too. |
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Well I’m going to throw something a little extra into the mix here so bear with me because it’s going to sound far fetched but may bring some light onto the whole subject.
This all stems from Trump wanting the new Ukraine President to look into what happened with The Biden boys way back when before Trump was elected. The new Ukraine President ran on a platform of rooting out corruption in the government.
So now here is where this gets a little interesting....
The new Ukraine President was elected on April 21, 2019
Joe Biden announcement of his presidential campaign begins April 25, 2019. There are 20 other candidates when he makes his announcement....20.
Now the Biden boys (and his staff as well as who knows who else) “know” Trump was not going to let his campaign promise of exposing corruption just slip away so they have 3 days to come up with a plan to shield them from the new Ukraine President and any new investigation into the past. What’s their plan, announce Joe is running for President. If Trump gets involved in any way it becomes tampering with an election.
Looking back at the transcript of the the July25, 2019 phone call to the Ukraine President all that was asked was to “re-examine ” the investigation into corruption which may have occurred. If Clinton was elected this would never have been brought up again.
Joe Biden was not interested in running for President he was using the process as a shield.
It’s my opinion that Joe planned to drop out of the campaign for “health” issues or some other
reasons if President Trump was impeached or removed from office then he would back another candidate.
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« Reply #69 on: December 12, 2019, 02:52:26 PM » |
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I like how you think, and write Mr Patriot. The really strange fact (to me) in all of this is that Trump is not a real conservative at heart or politically. He does have the country's best interest at heart (God bless him), but he is a deal maker and willing to listen (albeit not to leftist horsesh!t, which should never be listened to) and compromise. The opposition could probably have made many compromise deals with him, if they could get over themselves and their obstructionist hatred. The lunatic left (and MSM) have driven Trump right, and hopefully a significant percentage of the US population too. Not sure about Left or Right...Black or White(whatever) there is good and bad on all sides. For me, who is going to best look out for the interests of my Grandkids. That is both the worry and skin in my game!!! Sure as hell won't be the Markist Leaning nut jobs that are trying to grab the reigns. Pray they never succeed again. |
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« Reply #70 on: December 12, 2019, 04:17:13 PM » |
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Klobuchar was not on the stage that night. She was in the previous night's debate. Participants on stage for the above referenced Democratic party debates were: I didn't go thru them all. But, Mayor Pete and Biden's plans are very close to what Klobuchar has as a healthcare plan. Which would make at least those 2 on the stage not for free healthcare for illegals. Serk, I know you are smarter than that. (Free ?)
Are you really trying to argue that "Raise your hand if your government plan would provide coverage for undocumented immigrants" (Direct quote of the question that was asked) doesn't mean "Give illegal aliens free healthcare?" I ain’t trying to argue anything. Just stating the facts. If Klobochar’s plan (or anyone else’s) calls for a “public option” (which is not free) and she (or they) would include illegal immigrants being able to buy into it, it is not free healthcare for illegals, as Mad6gun said (and others say). If you guys don’t want illegals included in healthcare, that is a rational point. To incorrectly state that ALL candidates want to give free HC to illegals is just misinformed (or a lie) They are already getting it free aren’t they? As soon as they cross the boarder they are on the government teat for everything. Maybe if I give you $5.00 at the meat department and you give $100.00 in meat products I’m not getting anything free but that’s not going to work for long. Your statements are incorrect on a few points. All illegals are not on the government teat as you say. Most work. That's why most come here. They (and legal citizens) do get free healthcare. It's at the emergency rooms in this country. Not a very efficient system, I think you would agree. Your example of buying meat is curious. The idea is to get people to buy insurance to be covered. (It's border) |
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« Reply #71 on: December 12, 2019, 04:21:11 PM » |
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Klobuchar was not on the stage that night. She was in the previous night's debate. Participants on stage for the above referenced Democratic party debates were: I will have to look up their plans later. I’m not familiar with most of them. Point being, the question was not about “free” healthcare. Ok let me explain because you ain't getting it. Most of the democratic candidate's are calling for Medicare for all. To pay for said "free" healthcare, taxes will need to go up. (Bernie's words) . So who is going to pay for said "free" healthcare?. The US working tax payers,that's who. Since illegals can't get a job without a SS number they won't be paying taxes and in turn healthcare. So unless I'm wrong they are getting it for FREE. Got it now? I get it. You incorrectly stated that ALL candidates want to give free healthcare to illegal aliens. Either you didn't know or you purposefully misstated that. Many if not most illegals who work do pay taxes. They use someone else's SSN most times. |
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« Reply #72 on: December 12, 2019, 05:22:46 PM » |
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Klobuchar was not on the stage that night. She was in the previous night's debate. Participants on stage for the above referenced Democratic party debates were: I will have to look up their plans later. I’m not familiar with most of them. Point being, the question was not about “free” healthcare. Ok let me explain because you ain't getting it. Most of the democratic candidate's are calling for Medicare for all. To pay for said "free" healthcare, taxes will need to go up. (Bernie's words) . So who is going to pay for said "free" healthcare?. The US working tax payers,that's who. Since illegals can't get a job without a SS number they won't be paying taxes and in turn healthcare. So unless I'm wrong they are getting it for FREE. Got it now? I get it. You incorrectly stated that ALL candidates want to give free healthcare to illegal aliens. Either you didn't know or you purposefully misstated that. Many if not most illegals who work do pay taxes. They use someone else's SSN most times. Every one of them raised their hands when asked the question. That is the definition of All. So you are OK with illegals using someone else's SS number? Seriously.... |
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My ideal President: A person who is loyal to a vision of the greater good. Who is not loyal to any particular party, rather their loyalty lies with the people they serve. Someone who understands that strength and humbleness are not mutually exclusive.
That person is not Donald Trump.
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I don't know about you, but all but the underlined text above pertains to DJT IMHO. Both parties hate him, only half or a little more than half of the the people support him. The only problem is that he only serves himself and his own ego. |
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