Christianity Today: Evangelicals Have Had Enough of Trump

[Wizzard]

Hey,, I am a Christian and agree with Serk 100%. That is why I voted for him. Had nothing to do with being Christlike. It had to do with the Democrats being so far out that I could not possible vote for one of them.

I get that. I doubt anybody (or very few) vote based on morality. But.....the comment was, and has been made before about how righteous and godly he is. I SURE DON'T SEE IT  

That comment never came from me. I would never say that.
Then again, I am amazed how people see Hillary, Obama, and Quid pro Joe

[The emperor has no clothes]

Hey,, I am a Christian and agree with Serk 100%. That is why I voted for him. Had nothing to do with being Christlike. It had to do with the Democrats being so far out that I could not possible vote for one of them.

I get that. I doubt anybody (or very few) vote based on morality. But.....the comment was, and has been made before about how righteous and godly he is. I SURE DON'T SEE IT 

That comment never came from me. I would never say that.

I know 

[Wizzard]

There are unreasonable people of every race and religion. If they were all like me it would not be a problem  LMAO
I think I am going to clear my head of this political crap and take a bike ride tomorrow. Going to be in the 50's

[The emperor has no clothes]

There are unreasonable people of every race and religion. If they were all like me it would not be a problem  LMAO
I think I am going to clear my head of this political crap and take a bike ride tomorrow. Going to be in the 50's

Have a good ride  I'll try not to be jealous as I'm at work cutting 5 million prime ribs. 

[MAD6Gun]

Hey,, I am a Christian and agree with Serk 100%. That is why I voted for him. Had nothing to do with being Christlike. It had to do with the Democrats being so far out that I could not possible vote for one of them.

I get that. I doubt anybody (or very few) vote based on morality. But.....the comment was, and has been made before about how righteous and godly he is. I SURE DON'T SEE IT 

Me either. I am absolutely amazed at how some people see him.

 I also didn't vote for him for his morals or his religious beliefs.

 It's funny how some liberals bring up their religion to prove how much better they are then the president. Take Pelosi for instance. When asked if she hates the President she refers to her catholic up bringing and that because of this she doesn't hate anyone. She not a very good catholic because judging by her stance on abortion she must hate unborn children.

[98valk]

u democrats, the left, etc., are just looking for another angle to attack him.  that is all you are doing. there is no truth in your questions.

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/politics/2018/may/theres-prayer-on-a-regular-basis-in-this-white-house-mike-pence-reveals-faith-behind-the-scenes


The term 'Christian' was used to describe a follower of Christ in terms of the world, from the world’s point of view. The pagans at Antioch called the apostles "Christians" first (Acts 11:26; 26:28) and used it derogatorily because the apostles didn’t follow the commercial world of the pagans. "Christian" is an adjective, not a noun. The substance is not in the word "Christian", the substance is in the heart of the man it is attempting to describe, and which the pagan user cannot see.

Christ never called himself a Christian, Christ never called his followers Christians. The apostles never called each other Christians. Christ never used an adjective to describe himself. So how are we to identify ourselves then? The disciples called each other, "brethren", "disciples", "apostles", "servants", "believers", "followers", "the faithful", "the elect", "the called", and "saints." We can also identify ourselves as "bondservants" of Christ.

[Alien]

If my name were Richard and I made my own alcohol, I would call it "Dick Liquor."

[Serk]

If my name were Richard and I made my own alcohol, I would call it "Dick Liquor."

If my name were Dickens, I'd make my own Cider.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xfzxesxk_Yo

[Jess from VA]

 

Has anyone seen Mike Hunt?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDhhXIfIDUs

[Robert]

 How can you understand morals, if you voted for Hillary whose husband, being a president, had affairs, that culminated in him being impeached because of one of them. Then he was convicted of lying to congress and the American people about it.

Yet found nothing wrong with the morals of it and voted for the wife understand that as ok.

 If you dont understand this then how could you ever understand morals or support for someone based on morals.  

[f6john]

If my name were Richard and I made my own alcohol, I would call it "Dick Liquor."

Now I’m beginning to doubt the sincerity of your question about Christians views......

[The emperor has no clothes]

How can you understand morals, if you voted for Hillary whose husband, being a president, had affairs, that culminated in him being impeached because of one of them. Then he was convicted of lying to congress and the American people about it.

Yet found nothing wrong with the morals of it and voted for the wife understand that as ok.

 If you dont understand this then how could you ever understand morals or support for someone based on morals.  

Let me understand your logic. If my wife were to cheat on me, then lie about it, that would make me morally bankrupt ? I suspect you are neither conservative or God fearing.


I hope this thread can wither away on Christmas Eve. I will add nothing further to it. Merry Christmas All ! 

[Robert]

How can you understand morals, if you voted for Hillary whose husband, being a president, had affairs, that culminated in him being impeached because of one of them. Then he was convicted of lying to congress and the American people about it.

Yet found nothing wrong with the morals of it and voted for the wife understand that as ok.

 If you dont understand this then how could you ever understand morals or support for someone based on morals.  

Let me understand your logic. If my wife were to cheat on me, then lie about it, that would make me morally bankrupt ? I suspect you are neither conservative or God fearing.


I hope this thread can wither away on Christmas Eve. I will add nothing further to it. Merry Christmas All !  

You didn't get the point, many voted for Hillary, I doubt you will understand the significance of this and that only goes more to the point.

[Moonshot_1]

How can you understand morals, if you voted for Hillary whose husband, being a president, had affairs, that culminated in him being impeached because of one of them. Then he was convicted of lying to congress and the American people about it.

Yet found nothing wrong with the morals of it and voted for the wife understand that as ok.

 If you dont understand this then how could you ever understand morals or support for someone based on morals.  

Senate didn't convict. Not voting for Hillary based on this alone would be a silly reason. Hillary's own conduct would be at issue and there corruption abounds.

[baldo]

How can you understand morals, if you voted for Hillary whose husband, being a president, had affairs, that culminated in him being impeached because of one of them. Then he was convicted of lying to congress and the American people about it.

Yet found nothing wrong with the morals of it and voted for the wife understand that as ok.

 If you dont understand this then how could you ever understand morals or support for someone based on morals.  

Let me understand your logic. If my wife were to cheat on me, then lie about it, that would make me morally bankrupt ? I suspect you are neither conservative or God fearing.


I hope this thread can wither away on Christmas Eve. I will add nothing further to it. Merry Christmas All !  

You didn't get the point, many voted for Hillary, I doubt you will understand the significance of this and that only goes more to the point.

Just what in the jumped up Christmas Ghost is this crap?

[Serk]

Just what in the jumped up Christmas Ghost is this crap?

It gets better..... Jon McNaughton's art work is...... inspiring..... 











While you're too late to order a print for x-mas this year, it's never too early to get a head start on next year!

https://jonmcnaughton.com/

[Jess from VA]

I like this one best.   



Whatever it takes to actually make their heads start spontaneously exploding. 

[baldo]

Just what in the jumped up Christmas Ghost is this crap?

It gets better..... Jon McNaughton's art work is...... inspiring..... 











While you're too late to order a print for x-mas this year, it's never too early to get a head start on next year!

https://jonmcnaughton.com/

Sorry Serk, but....

So stinking sad.....

[baldo]

I like this one best.   



Whatever it takes to actually make their heads start spontaneously exploding. 

And this one is pathetic.

Do you take this to bed with you?

[Serk]

Sorry Serk, but....

So stinking sad.....

He did portraits of Obama (pbuh) as well though.....

[baldo]

Sorry Serk, but....

So stinking sad.....

He did portraits of Obama (pbuh) as well though.....

LOL....I knew you weren't finished...

I especially love the irony of the golfer.

[98valk]

as I surmised and finally found proof.  CT is a left wing rag backed by Soros.

https://pulpitandpen.org/2019/12/20/remember-that-christianity-today-is-backed-by-george-soros/
Remember that ‘Christianity Today’ is Backed by George Soros
Christianity Today called for the U.S. Senate to affirm the impeachment of the U.S. House against President Donald J. Trump. As you soak that in, we’ll remind you that it’s already been reported by this publication (and others) that Christianity Today is a Soros front organization.

The post, previously mentioned in an earlier article today entitled Top Three Liberal Articles from Democrat Rag, Christianity Today, was written by Alan Atkinson earlier this year and first published at the Capstone Report. The article referred to is Christianity Today and Ed Stetzer Partner with Soros Immigration Invasion.

George Soros, the wealthy billionaire Democrat financier, “rents evangelicals;” a fact that has been widely reported and indisputably and broadly claimed (like in this article at the Washington Post).

Stetzer and Christianity Today posted an article promoting George Soros’ immigration plan on November 7. In it, they said that “evangelicals should help lead” Soros’ immigration plan.
480p low geselecteerd als afspeelkwaliteit

That immigration plan was planned and promoted by the Evangelical Immigration Table, which is a Soros front organization of the National Immigration Forum and is ultimately traced directly back to Soros’ Open Societies Foundation. That Soros owns the Evangelical Immigration Table (EIT) is so well-known, it’s not worth answering any ill-informed dispute of the knowledge. Well-known Christian leader, Eric Metaxas, got off the board and repudiated it when he found out that it was a Soros operation.

[klb]

https://youtu.be/Epk2DcozxsQ

[MAD6Gun]

How can you understand morals, if you voted for Hillary whose husband, being a president, had affairs, that culminated in him being impeached because of one of them. Then he was convicted of lying to congress and the American people about it.

Yet found nothing wrong with the morals of it and voted for the wife understand that as ok.

 If you dont understand this then how could you ever understand morals or support for someone based on morals.  

Let me understand your logic. If my wife were to cheat on me, then lie about it, that would make me morally bankrupt ? I suspect you are neither conservative or God fearing.


I hope this thread can wither away on Christmas Eve. I will add nothing further to it. Merry Christmas All ! 

 No. But it would make you morally bankrupt if you destroyed the life of the man your wife cheated on you with like Hillary did with the women who dare accuse her husband of assault.

[baldo]

How can you understand morals, if you voted for Hillary whose husband, being a president, had affairs, that culminated in him being impeached because of one of them. Then he was convicted of lying to congress and the American people about it.

Yet found nothing wrong with the morals of it and voted for the wife understand that as ok.

 If you dont understand this then how could you ever understand morals or support for someone based on morals.  

Let me understand your logic. If my wife were to cheat on me, then lie about it, that would make me morally bankrupt ? I suspect you are neither conservative or God fearing.


I hope this thread can wither away on Christmas Eve. I will add nothing further to it. Merry Christmas All ! 

 No. But it would make you morally bankrupt if you destroyed the life of the man your wife cheated on you with like Hillary did with the women who dare accuse her husband of assault.

LOLOL....you REALLY don't want to go there.

[JFaje1]

George Soros has nothing to do with backing of Christianity Today. You need to stick with reliable sites, not these conspiracy sites.And I have read almost all the posts here, and so many of you call the Dems a bunch of liars, but there has never been a bigger liar than Trump, over 14,000 to date. You all claim to be patriots, but I wonder for what country. As much as Trump nuzzles up to Putin, and wont let anyone know what what was said in his meeting, and also destroyed all notes taken by the note taker give me no faith in his actions. He would rather defend the dictators and disgrace our Intel and any other patriots of this country, and throw our allies under the bus every chance he gets is disgusting. He gets on stage at his rallies, and make's fun of disabled people, calls everyone he doesn't like all sorts of names. I guess it's all worth it as long as you all get your judges and the NRA. Everyone here has their opinions, and this is mine. As much as I dislike Pence, I would welcome him as president.
John

[Serk]

I guess it's all worth it as long as you all get your judges and the NRA.

[baldo]

I guess it's all worth it as long as you all get your judges and the NRA.

Sorry, but who's the well-groomed dude?

[Willow]

... You need to stick with reliable sites, not these conspiracy sites. ...t there has never been a bigger liar than Trump, over 14,000 to date. ...

You need to stick with reliable sites.

[98valk]

George Soros has nothing to do with backing of Christianity Today. You need to stick with reliable sites, not these conspiracy sites.And I have read almost all the posts here, and so many of you call the Dems a bunch of liars, but there has never been a bigger liar than Trump, over 14,000 to date. You all claim to be patriots, but I wonder for what country. As much as Trump nuzzles up to Putin, and wont let anyone know what what was said in his meeting, and also destroyed all notes taken by the note taker give me no faith in his actions. He would rather defend the dictators and disgrace our Intel and any other patriots of this country, and throw our allies under the bus every chance he gets is disgusting. He gets on stage at his rallies, and make's fun of disabled people, calls everyone he doesn't like all sorts of names. I guess it's all worth it as long as you all get your judges and the NRA. Everyone here has their opinions, and this is mine. As much as I dislike Pence, I would welcome him as president.
John

I think you might be beyond Osmium.

[Robert]

George Soros has nothing to do with backing of Christianity Today. You need to stick with reliable sites, not these conspiracy sites.And I have read almost all the posts here, and so many of you call the Dems a bunch of liars, but there has never been a bigger liar than Trump, over 14,000 to date. You all claim to be patriots, but I wonder for what country. As much as Trump nuzzles up to Putin, and wont let anyone know what what was said in his meeting, and also destroyed all notes taken by the note taker give me no faith in his actions. He would rather defend the dictators and disgrace our Intel and any other patriots of this country, and throw our allies under the bus every chance he gets is disgusting. He gets on stage at his rallies, and make's fun of disabled people, calls everyone he doesn't like all sorts of names. I guess it's all worth it as long as you all get your judges and the NRA. Everyone here has their opinions, and this is mine. As much as I dislike Pence, I would welcome him as president.
John

OK lets get this out of the way, you call Trump a liar, if you say so. But let me ask you, Trump a so called liar has fulfilled more promises and helped more people of the mostly middle class is this country than Obama or even Hillary who you say was not a liar. So who do you think I would really want in office? Who is better for this country, a person who controls, say immigration or the person who does nothing and lets unchecked immigration in? In fact makes laws that support illegal immigration. The person that goes into office with millions of dollars to his name or the person that went into office with nothing and buys a mansion when he gets out? Come on really? Or in the case of Hillary a person in office that their father was a member of the crime syndicate in Chicago or a person like Trump who's father was a business man and loved this country? Seems a pretty easy choice to me.

Either way the paintings of Jon McNaughton may be overly dramatized but they are essentially what the history books will show as to the works of the presidents in comparison.

[Moonshot_1]

George Soros has nothing to do with backing of Christianity Today. You need to stick with reliable sites, not these conspiracy sites.And I have read almost all the posts here, and so many of you call the Dems a bunch of liars, but there has never been a bigger liar than Trump, over 14,000 to date. You all claim to be patriots, but I wonder for what country. As much as Trump nuzzles up to Putin, and wont let anyone know what what was said in his meeting, and also destroyed all notes taken by the note taker give me no faith in his actions. He would rather defend the dictators and disgrace our Intel and any other patriots of this country, and throw our allies under the bus every chance he gets is disgusting. He gets on stage at his rallies, and make's fun of disabled people, calls everyone he doesn't like all sorts of names. I guess it's all worth it as long as you all get your judges and the NRA. Everyone here has their opinions, and this is mine. As much as I dislike Pence, I would welcome him as president.
John

Oh the irony, you spouting off conspiracy bs about conspiracy theories.

[Romeo]

God has a history of using vile people to accomplish His purposes.

Exodus 14:4 (ESV) - And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and he will pursue them, and I will get glory over Pharaoh and all his host, and the Egyptians shall know that I am the Lord.”

God then drowned Pharaoh with his army.

Habakkuk 1:6-7 (NIV)
I am raising up the Babylonians,
    that ruthless and impetuous people,
who sweep across the whole earth
    to seize dwellings not their own.

They are a feared and dreaded people;
    they are a law to themselves
    and promote their own honor.

In Habakkuk 2, God pronounces "woes" against the Babylonians, judging them for the evil they commit, even though God would use them to punish Judah.

God ordains all that occurs, from the outcome of the roll of a die (Proverbs 16:33), to the actions of kings:

The king's heart is a stream of water in the hand of the Lord;
    he turns it wherever he will.
Every way of a man is right in his own eyes,
    but the Lord weighs the heart.
- Proverbs 21:1-2 (ESV)

God ordains our actions, but also holds us morally culpable for them.

ALL leaders are put in place by God to fulfill His purpose, and God also ordains the means of their removal from leadership.

Christians are called to be subject to their leaders, both within the church and as citizens of governments, with the caveat that we are not to violate God's commands to us (via Scripture) when complying with man's commands.

Yes, God's choice was Trump, and before him, Obama, and before him, Dubya, and before him, Clinton, etc., and after Trump, maybe Biden or Pence or ?  We will know God's choice when we see whom He next puts in office.

Christians are called to stand for and proclaim Truth.  We would be wise to not throw our uncritical and unconditional support behind any leader.  I can understand Christians voting for Trump because they saw the alternative as worse.  I can't understand Christians worshipping him despite his character.

I think we are not supposed to question God’s will. (At least that’s how I understand it) But for the life of me, it makes no sense to me for God (or anyone else) to want to use vile or evil people to advance his purpose. Surely God could find a way to use good to advance his purposes.


As to the OP’s statement about the Christianity Today article. They are not some liberal organization as I understand it. It makes one hopeful that not all have sold their soul.

like you said, meat, you have no understanding of Christianity.

[Gavin_Sons]

George Soros has nothing to do with backing of Christianity Today. You need to stick with reliable sites, not these conspiracy sites.And I have read almost all the posts here, and so many of you call the Dems a bunch of liars, but there has never been a bigger liar than Trump, over 14,000 to date. You all claim to be patriots, but I wonder for what country. As much as Trump nuzzles up to Putin, and wont let anyone know what what was said in his meeting, and also destroyed all notes taken by the note taker give me no faith in his actions. He would rather defend the dictators and disgrace our Intel and any other patriots of this country, and throw our allies under the bus every chance he gets is disgusting. He gets on stage at his rallies, and make's fun of disabled people, calls everyone he doesn't like all sorts of names. I guess it's all worth it as long as you all get your judges and the NRA. Everyone here has their opinions, and this is mine. As much as I dislike Pence, I would welcome him as president.
John

You just stated every reason he won the election and you still don't get it. It is pointless arguing with people like you because if we don't  share the same beliefs as you, we are dirt. Merry Christmas, bless your little heart.

[JFaje1]

First of all Gavin, I never called anyone here dirt, and I darn sure don't need your blessings. As you think I am wrong in my beliefs, I think you are wrong in yours as simple as that. As Mick Mulvaney said, get over it.
John

[Gavin_Sons]

You don't have to say it. It comes off that way from you. I was not giving you my blessing. Seems you need to learn a little about southern ediquite. Look up the meaning of bless your heart in the south.  oh and I know I'm right in my beliefs. Nothing you or anyone can say to change my mind. See how this works? Beating a dead horse. You are wrong, I'm right. Get over it as your man would say. Merry Christmas, hope you had a great day with family.

[Robert]

Franklin Graham: Christianity Today ‘in Step’ with Pelosi, Leftist Agenda — Editorial Used to ‘Divide’ Evangelicals

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2019/12/25/franklin-graham-christianity-today-step-pelosi-leftist-agenda/

Graham, whose father Billy Graham founded the magazine 60 years ago, dismissed the editorial as one from a left-leaning magazine that would have disappointed his late father.

“This magazine — this left-leaning magazine, my father did start 60 years ago but is so far removed now from what my father founded the magazine to be,” Graham said. “And for them to say the president should be removed when he has done more for Christians and evangelicals than any president in my lifetime, I just find it to be crazy. The man’s just lost his mind.”

“For Christianity Today to suggest that he should step down, why?” he continued. “What he’s done so much for our country, just because this is what Nancy Pelosi and a few people on the left want,” he continued. “And this magazine is following in step with the leftist agenda. My father would be very disappointed. My father actually had nothing really to do with this magazine for the last 25, 30 years.”

[Robert]

My question to the left who is more Christ like? This will twist your thoughts.

Wow just wow we see the end and what is happening in the world today. The Pope telling people not to evanglise and yet we have Kayne West doing that very thing, even in leading about 1000 people to Christ. I guess the more establishment you are the less you are going to follow the gospel in many cases. I guess its true that those with the idea of where they want the US to go are trying to control the narrative.

Upside Down Kingdom: Kanye West Is Preaching The Gospel, But Pope Francis Is Telling People Not To Evangelize

“But listen, the gospel is never, ever advanced through proselytism,” he continued. “If someone says he is a disciple of Jesus and comes to you with proselytism, he is not a disciple of Jesus. Proselytism is not the way; the Church does not grow by proselytism.”

But

 One of the most notorious rappers on the entire globe is now proudly preaching the gospel and trying to reach as many people with the message of the cross as he possibly can.

For most of his career, very few people would have ever imagined that someday Kanye West would be a passionate Christian evangelist.  But of course the truth is that the message of the cross can change anyone, and nobody is out of God’s reach.

When I was encouraged to watch West’s new video entitled “Follow God” last month, I have to admit that I was impressed.  It has already been watched more than 25 million times on You

http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/upside-down-kingdom-kanye-west-is-preaching-the-gospel-but-pope-francis-is-telling-people-not-to-evangelize

Kanye West - Follow God
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivCY3Ec4iaU

[98valk]

Wow today black is white and white is black

Upside Down Kingdom: Kanye West Is Preaching The Gospel, But Pope Francis Is Telling People Not To Evangelize

“But listen, the gospel is never, ever advanced through proselytism,” he continued. “If someone says he is a disciple of Jesus and comes to you with proselytism, he is not a disciple of Jesus. Proselytism is not the way; the Church does not grow by proselytism.”

But

 One of the most notorious rappers on the entire globe is now proudly preaching the gospel and trying to reach as many people with the message of the cross as he possibly can.

For most of his career, very few people would have ever imagined that someday Kanye West would be a passionate Christian evangelist.  But of course the truth is that the message of the cross can change anyone, and nobody is out of God’s reach.

When I was encouraged to watch West’s new video entitled “Follow God” last month, I have to admit that I was impressed.  It has already been watched more than 25 million times on You

http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/upside-down-kingdom-kanye-west-is-preaching-the-gospel-but-pope-francis-is-telling-people-not-to-evangelize

Isaiah 5:20  Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who turn darkness to light and light to darkness, who replace bitter with sweet and sweet with bitter. 21Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight.…

[Robert]

Wow kind of eye opening, TDS strikes again and a so called Christian has trouble following the dictates of his job because his own personal convictions cause him to forcast the end of the publication and saying that the reputation of the publication is tarnished.



To me its good to have the this routed out.


https://saraacarter.com/christian-post-editor-quits-over-publications-defense-of-pres-trump/


They've chosen to represent a narrow (and shrinking) slice of Christianity. That might be a good business decision, short term at least. But ...


Christian Post editor Napp Nazworth resigned after the publication of a pro-Trump editorial. He says aligning with President Trump would "destroy the reputation of The Christian Post... We'd reached an impasse. I really had no other choice but to leave."

.. it's bad for Democracy, and bad for the Gospel. It means there will be one more place where readers can go for bias confirmation, but one less place where readers can go to exercise their brains on diversity of thought. {end}