Coronavirus $hit be getting real

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8229535/Worshippers-ignore-coronavirus-social-distancing-pray-mosque-Indonesia.html

[Valkorado]

Somewhat related to the above about the high amount of asymptomatic positives:

Antibody research indicates coronavirus may be far more widespread than known

Of 3,300 people in California county up to 4% found to have been infected.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/antibody-research-coronavirus-widespread/story?id=70206121

Two things that jumped at me.

"And while there is no guarantee of total, long-term immunity even if a person has antibodies, doctors hope that those who do have them may have some degree of immunity protection".

Bendavid said the research, which has not yet been peer-reviewed, suggests that the large majority of the county, around 95%, is still without antibodies and for getting people back to work “what that means for things like, are we going to wait for people to get infected or get antibodies in order for them to get back to work... knowing that well upwards of 90% of the population doesn't have antibodies is going to make that a very difficult choice."

[scooperhsd]

Somewhat related to the above about the high amount of asymptomatic positives:

Antibody research indicates coronavirus may be far more widespread than known

Of 3,300 people in California county up to 4% found to have been infected.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/antibody-research-coronavirus-widespread/story?id=70206121

Two things that jumped at me.

"And while there is no guarantee of total, long-term immunity even if a person has antibodies, doctors hope that those who do have them may have some degree of immunity protection".

Bendavid said the research, which has not yet been peer-reviewed, suggests that the large majority of the county, around 95%, is still without antibodies and for getting people back to work “what that means for things like, are we going to wait for people to get infected or get antibodies in order for them to get back to work... knowing that well upwards of 90% of the population doesn't have antibodies is going to make that a very difficult choice."

Easy decision.

Get them to work. Accept that you're going to have some number of people who get sick, but in the end , it will work out better for humanity in the large (Herd immunity). Apply some reasonable measures (current social distancing, not too many people per square feet in the stores, etc. use face masks where possible / available).

[98valk]

Somewhat related to the above about the high amount of asymptomatic positives:

Antibody research indicates coronavirus may be far more widespread than known

Of 3,300 people in California county up to 4% found to have been infected.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/antibody-research-coronavirus-widespread/story?id=70206121

Two things that jumped at me.

"And while there is no guarantee of total, long-term immunity even if a person has antibodies, doctors hope that those who do have them may have some degree of immunity protection".

Bendavid said the research, which has not yet been peer-reviewed, suggests that the large majority of the county, around 95%, is still without antibodies and for getting people back to work “what that means for things like, are we going to wait for people to get infected or get antibodies in order for them to get back to work... knowing that well upwards of 90% of the population doesn't have antibodies is going to make that a very difficult choice."

there will be another virus attack in the winter of '20-'21. no vaccines will be available and basically no cure is available.

Well over 200 virus strains are implicated in causing the common cold, with rhinoviruses being the most common.

[Valkorado]

Somewhat related to the above about the high amount of asymptomatic positives:

Antibody research indicates coronavirus may be far more widespread than known

Of 3,300 people in California county up to 4% found to have been infected.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/antibody-research-coronavirus-widespread/story?id=70206121

Two things that jumped at me.

"And while there is no guarantee of total, long-term immunity even if a person has antibodies, doctors hope that those who do have them may have some degree of immunity protection".

Bendavid said the research, which has not yet been peer-reviewed, suggests that the large majority of the county, around 95%, is still without antibodies and for getting people back to work “what that means for things like, are we going to wait for people to get infected or get antibodies in order for them to get back to work... knowing that well upwards of 90% of the population doesn't have antibodies is going to make that a very difficult choice."

there will be another virus attack in the winter of '20-'21. no vaccines will be available and basically no cure is available.

Well over 200 virus strains are implicated in causing the common cold, with rhinoviruses being the most common.

Of course endemic virii will return.  Scientists are predicting C19 will be one of these.  It'll be annoying, just like the cold -- but much more deadly.  That's why we a C19 vaccine.  Oh yeah, I forgot you hate those.

[Serk]

Random sampling test shows coronavirus more widespread and less deadly than previously thought: Study

A coronavirus antibody test conducted by Stanford University scientists concluded that the infection is both more common than previously thought and possesses a lower fatality rate than what current data suggest.

"Our data imply that, by April 1 (three days prior to the end of our survey) between 48,000 and 81,000 people had been infected in Santa Clara County. The reported number of confirmed positive cases in the county on April 1 was 956, 50-85-fold lower than the number of infections predicted by this study," their study reads.

“Coronavirus random sampling study from Stanford,” Fox News’s Lisa Boothe said on Twitter in response to the study. “They found the infection is 50-85 x more common than previously thought & fatality rate accordingly 50-85 x lower than the crude numbers would suggest.”

(I'm assuming the links I'm posting are at least moderately interesting to someone? I'm trying to not be annoying but like to share stuff I find interesting on this topic)

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/random-sampling-test-shows-coronavirus-more-widespread-and-less-deadly-than-previously-thought-study

[98valk]

Somewhat related to the above about the high amount of asymptomatic positives:

Antibody research indicates coronavirus may be far more widespread than known

Of 3,300 people in California county up to 4% found to have been infected.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/antibody-research-coronavirus-widespread/story?id=70206121

Two things that jumped at me.

"And while there is no guarantee of total, long-term immunity even if a person has antibodies, doctors hope that those who do have them may have some degree of immunity protection".

Bendavid said the research, which has not yet been peer-reviewed, suggests that the large majority of the county, around 95%, is still without antibodies and for getting people back to work “what that means for things like, are we going to wait for people to get infected or get antibodies in order for them to get back to work... knowing that well upwards of 90% of the population doesn't have antibodies is going to make that a very difficult choice."

there will be another virus attack in the winter of '20-'21. no vaccines will be available and basically no cure is available.

Well over 200 virus strains are implicated in causing the common cold, with rhinoviruses being the most common.

Of course endemic virii will return.  Scientists are predicting C19 will be one of these.  It'll be annoying, just like the cold -- but much more deadly.  That's why we a C19 vaccine.  Oh yeah, I forgot you hate those.

the point is there are hundreds of viruses that they cannot make a vaccine for. HIV is one which fauci and brix worked on for decades, they made millions in research money, caused a panic etc.
now a virus is throwing the USC out the window with black boots on the street, for deaths that are no more than the common flu.
people need to get themselves healthy and learn how to eat healthy.
PM me your lung condition and I can give u info and direction that will help u.

[The emperor has no clothes]

(I'm assuming the links I'm posting are at least moderately interesting to someone? I'm trying to not be annoying but like to share stuff I find interesting on this topic)

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/random-sampling-test-shows-coronavirus-more-widespread-and-less-deadly-than-previously-thought-study

Knowledge and information are always interesting and appreciated 

[Valkorado]

(I'm assuming the links I'm posting are at least moderately interesting to someone? I'm trying to not be annoying but like to share stuff I find interesting on this topic)

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/random-sampling-test-shows-coronavirus-more-widespread-and-less-deadly-than-previously-thought-study

Knowledge and information are always interesting and appreciated 

   Keep on posting!  It is a pretty important topic! 

I try to sort through all the horse hockey for more pertinent articles.  They aren't always in line with my thinking, but I also seek mostly science based or just interesting or entertaining aspects of this ChiCom sh!t virus.

[Valkorado]

We've never made a successful vaccine for a coronavirus before. This is why it's so difficult.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-04-17/coronavirus-vaccine-ian-frazer/12146616

No Vaccine for HIV/AIDS, SARS -- But Coronavirus Is 'Really Unprecedented'

https://www.cnsnews.com/article/washington/susan-jones/fauci-no-vaccine-hivaids-sars-coronavirus-really-unprecedented

[Toovalks]

If you read other information on the Washington Examiner article about "Standford's" study... you will find that you have a potentially biased article about a flawed study using facebook to find a "random " sample (3300)of Santa Clara residents (2 million)and using an antibody test of unknown accuracy , that the study's own authors say "if it (the test) is less accurate than we believe", then  it would seriously effect if not negate their results. WE must consider the veracity of our sources, in these times when rumor mongering runs rampant.

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Too much too soon?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8229933/Beaches-Florida-start-reopening-EVENING.html

[Jersey mike]

Too much too soon?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8229933/Beaches-Florida-start-reopening-EVENING.html

No not at all too soon, they never should have been closed in the first place. Salt air, salt water and sunshine never hurt. I watched a video earlier this morning on this and the reporter was discussing it with Anderson Cooper. She was there to observe and the way she sounded while reporting had a tone of mocking people because there was some excitement getting onto the beach. She made a comment along the lines “It’s only been a month, you would think these people have been locked up for years”.  One of her observations was that police had to remove a few separate (groups of 2) couples sitting on towels together with a cooler because they were not social distancing. My thought was perhaps they’re couples which actually live together and have been together the entire time, what’s the difference if they are on the beach sitting together.

[Valkorado]

Somewhat related to the above about the high amount of asymptomatic positives:

Antibody research indicates coronavirus may be far more widespread than known

Of 3,300 people in California county up to 4% found to have been infected.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/antibody-research-coronavirus-widespread/story?id=70206121

Two things that jumped at me.

"And while there is no guarantee of total, long-term immunity even if a person has antibodies, doctors hope that those who do have them may have some degree of immunity protection".

Bendavid said the research, which has not yet been peer-reviewed, suggests that the large majority of the county, around 95%, is still without antibodies and for getting people back to work “what that means for things like, are we going to wait for people to get infected or get antibodies in order for them to get back to work... knowing that well upwards of 90% of the population doesn't have antibodies is going to make that a very difficult choice."

Easy decision.

Get them to work. Accept that you're going to have some number of people who get sick, but in the end , it will work out better for humanity in the large (Herd immunity). Apply some reasonable measures (current social distancing, not too many people per square feet in the stores, etc. use face masks where possible / available).

No easy decisions. Appears there may be no such thing as herd immunity with this virus.

International Health Experts Caution On Conducting Antibody Test;
No Proof That Recovered Patients Developed Immunity

https://www.techtimes.com/articles/248962/20200418/coronavirus-antibody-test-serology-test-who.htm

Dr. Mike Ryan said even if antibodies were effective there was little sign that large numbers of people had developed them, and were beginning to offer so-called “herd immunity” to the broader population.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/no-proof-of-immunity-in-recovered-coronavirus-patients-says-who-1.4232563

"A lot of preliminary information coming to us right now would suggest quite a low percentage of population have seroconversion (to produce antibodies)", he said.

[3fan4life]

Ok, so here's the deal.

Covid-19 isn't the Bubonic Plague.

It's not going to wipe out 1/4 of the world's population.

The majority of the people that contract it have very mild symptoms, many never even knowing that they were sick.

We know the group of people that are the most likely to die from it.

How about we continue to educate the public about how to protect themselves from it.

Do everything that we can to protect those who are the most vulnerable to it,

And get back to living our lives.


I realize that this may sound harsh.

The fact is that none of us make it out of this world alive anyway.

We can't stay huddled up in our homes cowering in fear forever.

Many if not most people would be homeless if they had to go 6 months without income.

A lot of people don't have the resources to even make it a month.


So, the question becomes; How many people would die due to poverty?

I realize that the question is impossible to answer.

I also realize that the numbers are likely to be very high.

There are things that people can do to protect themselves from Covid-19.

There is little that people can do to protect themselves from disease or much of anything else if they are homeless.

[Valkorado]

Again, we agree more than disagree.

I think Trump's plan to open our country in a three stage process is a good one.  It's actually pretty stringent it you read it, regions must meet strict requirements to "move on".  Let's do it!

As the above articles note, don't expect a "herd immunity".  Do expect more sporadic breakouts, some likely large.  If it gets out of hand anywhere, you can bet there will be a crackdown, and affected areas will be locked down again.

It's a highly contagious virus, expect some glitches.  

We'll deal with them as we go...

[3fan4life]

Again, we agree more than disagree.

I think Trump's plan to open our country in a three stage process is a good one.  It's actually pretty stringent it you read it, regions must meet strict requirements to "move on".  Let's do it!

As the above articles note, don't expect a "herd immunity".  Do expect more sporadic breakouts, some likely large.  If it gets out of hand anywhere, you can bet there will be a crackdown, and affected areas will be locked down again.

It's a highly contagious virus, expect some glitches.  

We'll deal with them as we go...

I have no problem with locking down an area if it becomes a hot spot.

I am against a total lock down of an entire state or nation because one area has had an outbreak.

If our fine Governor had locked down the "Hot Spots" early on most of our state may not have experienced any cases.

We have 6 counties that make up for more than 50% of the total cases in the state.

Amazingly, We still have 6 counties that are reporting zero cases.

Maybe, if the "Hot Spots" had been concentrated on, most of the state would've been spared.

You don't put out a kitchen fire by spraying water in the living room.

[Valker]

You mention Bubonic Plague-we have 6-10 cases every year here in this area. Caught early, it's no longer a big deal. Just for reference.

[Valkorado]

Again, we agree more than disagree.

I think Trump's plan to open our country in a three stage process is a good one.  It's actually pretty stringent it you read it, regions must meet strict requirements to "move on".  Let's do it!

As the above articles note, don't expect a "herd immunity".  Do expect more sporadic breakouts, some likely large.  If it gets out of hand anywhere, you can bet there will be a crackdown, and affected areas will be locked down again.

It's a highly contagious virus, expect some glitches.  

We'll deal with them as we go...

I have no problem with locking down an area if it becomes a hot spot.

I am against a total lock down of an entire state or nation because one area has had an outbreak.

If our fine Governor had locked down the "Hot Spots" early on most of our state may not have experienced any cases.

We have 6 counties that make up for more than 50% of the total cases in the state.

Amazingly, We still have 6 counties that are reporting zero cases.

Maybe, if the "Hot Spots" had been concentrated on, most of the state would've been spared.

You don't put out a kitchen fire by spraying water in the living room.

[3fan4life]

You mention Bubonic Plague-we have 6-10 cases every year here in this area. Caught early, it's no longer a big deal. Just for reference.

It's curable now but it wasn't in the 14th Century:

The Black Death, also known as the Pestilence and the Plague, was the most fatal pandemic recorded in human history, resulting in the deaths of up to 75-200 million people in Eurasia and North Africa.
The Black Death is estimated to have killed 30% to 60% of Europe's population. In total, the plague may have reduced the world population from an estimated 475 million to 350–375 million in the 14th century. It took 200 years for Europe's population to recover to its previous level.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death     

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https://www.zerohedge.com/health/spain-authorizes-military-planes-spray-disinfectants-over-cities

[Valkorado]

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/spain-authorizes-military-planes-spray-disinfectants-over-cities

I see lawsuits coming!  Those Spaniards who don't want to slap on a mask for COVID might want consider wearing one when they spray this crap!

[Valkorado]

 

Sue China, ay?   Trying to squeeze blood out of that daikon again.  Rotsa ruck.

https://www.newsweek.com/gop-congressmen-pen-bill-that-would-allow-americans-sue-chinese-government-over-coronavirus-1498720

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Officials at Georgia Power’s Plant Vogtle have confirmed that 64 of their employees have tested positive for the coronavirus. 38 workers are still awaiting results and 189 workers have tested negative.

Hmmmmmm. I wonder if a flu would have spread like that?

When will the 189 get tested again?

[Beardo]

Officials at Georgia Power’s Plant Vogtle have confirmed that 64 of their employees have tested positive for the coronavirus. 38 workers are still awaiting results and 189 workers have tested negative.

Hmmmmmm. I wonder if a flu would have spread like that?

When will the 189 get tested again?

If we start losing our utilities, power, phone/internet/TV networks,  the S will really hit the fan.

I work for a utility and have been working remotely from home for the last month. Luckily most of our systems can be accessed and fixed remotely, but there are still hardware issues that can’t be.

[Valkorado]

When will a second wave of the coronavirus hit and what will it look like?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/04/19/coronavirus-herd-immunity-vaccines-determine-covid-second-wave/5151957002/

Until there’s a vaccine “it’s unfortunately not unlikely that we may see a second wave or even a third wave,” said Peter Marks, director of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration’s Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research, which oversee vaccines.

“I shudder to think of that, but I think we have to be realistic."
When it comes back, it’s likely to hit hardest areas not severely infected the first time, said Gregory Poland, a professor of medicine at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota, and editor-in-chief of the journal Vaccine.

“This outbreak has predominantly been on the two coasts. Wave two will be in the interior of the county where there are a lot of susceptible people,” he said.

[Valkorado]

but what type you use is important.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/coronavirus-masks-what-works-rules-shortage-betsy-mccaughey

[Valkorado]

As we have learned, these can get us into trouble!   

Men’s testicles ‘could make them more vulnerable to coronavirus’


Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/19/mens-testicles-harbour-coronavirus-12578779/?ito=cbshare

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Make of this what you will

https://pjmedia.com/trending/heres-how-much-downstate-new-york-is-skewing-the-united-states-coronavirus-numbers/?fbclid=IwAR1oLfBkWli0boKynCR8K10wcjWEdMy3KzQKoqyEEP6lya_RzzSIo9F84VY

[98valk]

Make of this what you will

https://pjmedia.com/trending/heres-how-much-downstate-new-york-is-skewing-the-united-states-coronavirus-numbers/?fbclid=IwAR1oLfBkWli0boKynCR8K10wcjWEdMy3KzQKoqyEEP6lya_RzzSIo9F84VY

CDC guidance tells them to skew the numbers. Also info out there the corporate owned hospitals get more  federal money listing everything C19, including more money when a person goes on a ventilator even though it has been proven he kills C19 patients.  cuomo was screaming for 40k ventilators while he had thousands in storage and not at the hospitals.

Issued March 24, the guidance tells hospitals to list COVID-19 as a cause of death regardless of whether or not there’s actual testing to confirm that’s the case.
https://www.westernjournal.com/cdc-tells-hospitals-list-covid-cause-death-even-just-assuming-contributed/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=PostTopSharingButtons&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons

[Valkorado]

CDC guidance tells them to skew the numbers.

Apparently their guidance tells them to skew especially heavily in Downstate New York.

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https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1271028/Angela-Merkel-Germany-China-coronavirus-blame-Wuhan-Xi-Jinping-Trump-latest

Germany sends China £130billion bill for 'coronavirus damages' – sparks fury in Beijing

[Valkorado]

Coronavirus now a leading cause of death in Colorado

Read it.  Some very interesting charts.  

https://gazette.com/news/coronavirus-now-the-leading-cause-of-death-in-colorado/article_a4f6dcec-8240-11ea-a930-d77b902d1be6.html

Pay close attention to the charts, especially the second one down titled Coronavirus death vs. normal flu.

I can just about guarantee Colorado is not the only state this applies to...

[Chrisj CMA]

Sue China, ay?   Trying to squeeze blood out of that daikon again.  Rotsa ruck.

https://www.newsweek.com/gop-congressmen-pen-bill-that-would-allow-americans-sue-chinese-government-over-coronavirus-1498720

We don’t have to sue China. Just declare to them that the debt we owe them is dissolved. No more payments. We’ll call it even

[Valkorado]

Sue China, ay?   Trying to squeeze blood out of that daikon again.  Rotsa ruck.

https://www.newsweek.com/gop-congressmen-pen-bill-that-would-allow-americans-sue-chinese-government-over-coronavirus-1498720

We don’t have to sue China. Just declare to them that the debt we owe them is dissolved. No more payments. We’ll call it even

$1.1 trillion?  At minimum.  We've spent way more than that already, not to mention the loss of life!

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Sue China, ay?   Trying to squeeze blood out of that daikon again.  Rotsa ruck.

https://www.newsweek.com/gop-congressmen-pen-bill-that-would-allow-americans-sue-chinese-government-over-coronavirus-1498720

We don’t have to sue China. Just declare to them that the debt we owe them is dissolved. No more payments. We’ll call it even

Precisely what I said a couple of days to myself.

[Valkorado]

Here's a new one.  

An overlooked, possibly fatal coronavirus crisis: A dire need for kidney dialysis


"It is not yet known whether the kidneys are a major target of the virus or whether they’re just one more organ falling victim as a patient’s ravaged body surrenders. Dialysis fills the vital roles the kidneys play, cleaning the blood of toxins, balancing essential components including electrolytes, keeping blood pressure in check and removing excess fluids. It can be a temporary measure while the kidneys recover, or it can be used long-term if they do not. Another unknown is whether the kidney damage caused by the virus is permanent".

“The nephrologists in New York City are going slightly crazy making sure that everyone with kidney failure gets treatment,” said Dr. David Goldfarb, chief of nephrology at the New York campus of the New York Harbor VA Health Care System. “We don’t want people to die of inadequate dialysis.

“Nothing like this has ever been seen in terms of the number of people needing kidney replacement therapy,” he said.

A surge in COVID-19 patients with kidney failure is leading to shortages of machines, supplies and staff required for emergency dialysis.


https://globalbiodefense.com/headlines/hospitals-need-dialysis-equipment-as-thousands-of-coronavirus-patients-develop-kidney-problems/

https://www.inquisitr.com/6006143/coronavirus-kidney-failure/

https://thehill.com/homenews/news/493509-hospitals-scramble-for-dialysis-machines-amid-surge-in-covid-19-patients-with

https://www.npr.org/transcripts/837727691

https://www.boston.com/news/health/2020/04/19/an-overlooked-possibly-fatal-coronavirus-crisis-a-dire-need-for-kidney-dialysis

[Serk]

I can't believe I'm sharing Bill Maher twice in one thread, but.... His reason is of course way off, but the logic is good.....

(Language)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcvIQJ-QurQ

[f6john]

In his last sentence he tells it all. Don’t make Trump right about fake news. As much as he wants Trump out of office even he knows the majority of news is “fake”. At best it is half truths with F4 tornado spin.

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Friend in Shanghai tells me the city is nearly back to normal.

Still wearing masks and cleaning hands frequently.