Coronavirus $hit be getting real

[Robert]

On April 14, the New York Times reported New York City officials at the Health Department had increased its death toll by 3,700 who NEVER TESTED POSITIVE for the virus. They were “presumed” to have died from it.

[Valkorado]

So if we see an additional 50,000 American deaths attributed to COVID over the next month, how many of those should we consider to be inflated and disregard?  

Again, I'm on your side.  BELIEVE IT OR NOT I'M ALL FOR REOPENING OUR SOCIETY.

Had to borrow this great graphic again.

We only differ in that I disagree that it's some piddly little virus.

If you think it it's, you're a bigger cowboy than I.  Ya might as well just get it, Hoss, 'cause you'll handle it just fine.  

[Moonshot_1]

So if we see an additional 50,000 American deaths attributed to COVID over the next month, how many of those should we consider to be inflated and disregard?  

Again, I'm on your side.  BELIEVE IT OR NOT I'M ALL FOR REOPENING OUR SOCIETY.

We differ in that I disagree that it's some piddly little virus.

If you think it it's, you're a bigger cowboy than I.  Ya might as well just get it, Hoss, 'cause you'll handle it just fine.  

It'll be a year or two before we really know. The stats for cancer, stroke, heart attacks will be compiled and my guess is that we'll see an unbelievable decline in the deaths numbers for such things during this time frame. The conclusion will be the virus saved lives of course.

[Valkorado]

So if we see an additional 50,000 American deaths attributed to COVID over the next month, how many of those should we consider to be inflated and disregard?  

Again, I'm on your side.  BELIEVE IT OR NOT I'M ALL FOR REOPENING OUR SOCIETY.

We differ in that I disagree that it's some piddly little virus.

If you think it it's, you're a bigger cowboy than I.  Ya might as well just get it, Hoss, 'cause you'll handle it just fine.  

It'll be a year or two before we really know. The stats for cancer, stroke, heart attacks will be compiled and my guess is that we'll see an unbelievable decline in the deaths numbers for such things during this time frame. The conclusion will be the virus saved lives of course.

   Aat's funny!  Time will tell...

[carolinarider09]

So if we see an additional 50,000 American deaths attributed to COVID over the next month, how many of those should we consider to be inflated and disregard?  

Again, I'm on your side.  BELIEVE IT OR NOT I'M ALL FOR REOPENING OUR SOCIETY.

We differ in that I disagree that it's some piddly little virus.

If you think it it's, you're a bigger cowboy than I.  Ya might as well just get it, Hoss, 'cause you'll handle it just fine.  

You will have to define "some piddly little virus".   No one batted as much as an eye in the 2017-2018 flu season.  What was the number of deaths from the Flu that season?   90,000??  I would have to look it up again.

A vaccine was available for the Flu.  Still, 90,000??? deaths. 

We have no idea how many people has contracted Corona-19.  We only know the number tested and the number positive.  Its information. 

And the truth is the following. 

If and when a vaccine is developed, history and empirical evidence shows that it will only be 50% to 80% effective (max).  In fact those figures will never actually be known unless everyone in the US is tested after receiving the vaccine.  And everyone receives the vaccine (which is not going to happen, there are always outliers). 

So,  we can hide and watch until someone gives the all clear (please define the "All Clear" requirements).  Or we can understand the virus, get back to your lives and live. 

You don't want to contract the virus, so what do you do.  Live smart.  But live. 

Here in SC the Governor, in his infinite wisdom, says he will extend the SC State of Emergency for another two weeks.  And will renew his "Home or Work" order.  But, in his infinite wisdom, he reopened the marinas.  Why??? Its not stay home or go to work. 

Saturday I took a short 60 mile ride.  I rode past a few marinas.  They were not packed but there were lots and lost of people. There were lots and lots of boats.  So, the "Home or Work" order is just window dressing here in SC. 

And if you wonder if I am POed or not, I am.  My civil liberties have been suspended. They is un-constitutional.  And all it took was a graph, a projection, an estimate and it was wrong. 

But hindsight is 20/20.  So, I agree that, unit we knew more, we needed to take some steps. 

Now we know more. 

By the way, the 2017-2018 Flu deaths I quoted as 90,000 was from Website "A" (I can't find the reference again in my few minutes of searching).  The figure from CDC "estimates" for the 2017-2018 Flu season is now reported as around 60,000.  And again,  we had a vaccine. 
 

[Valkorado]

Or we can understand the virus, get back to your lives and live. 
You don't want to contract the virus, so what do you do.  Live smart.  But live.

Amen, Carolina.  Amen.

[98valk]

Or we can understand the virus, get back to your lives and live.  
You don't want to contract the virus, so what do you do.  Live smart.  But live.

Amen, Carolina.  Amen.

"Government mandating sick people to stay home is called quarantine. However, the government mandating healthy citizens to stay home, forcing businesses and churches to close is called tyranny,"



If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison
(in 2020 it is a scary sounding virus name from a foreign country)


I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations.
James Madison
(how far will they go with the next so called scare?)


Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry.
Unknown


It is the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins.
Benjamin Franklin


We are right to take alarm at the first experiment upon our liberties.
James Madison
(shut down of the country and our Liberties and destroy millions of lives to save a very few the same already sickly that could die from the flu?)


The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home.
James Madison

[..]

So if we see an additional 50,000 American deaths attributed to COVID over the next month, how many of those should we consider to be inflated and disregard?  

Again, I'm on your side.  BELIEVE IT OR NOT I'M ALL FOR REOPENING OUR SOCIETY.

We differ in that I disagree that it's some piddly little virus.

If you think it it's, you're a bigger cowboy than I.  Ya might as well just get it, Hoss, 'cause you'll handle it just fine.  

You will have to define "some piddly little virus".   No one batted as much as an eye in the 2017-2018 flu season.  What was the number of deaths from the Flu that season?   90,000??  I would have to look it up again.

A vaccine was available for the Flu.  Still, 90,000??? deaths. 

We have no idea how many people has contracted Corona-19.  We only know the number tested and the number positive.  Its information. 

And the truth is the following. 

If and when a vaccine is developed, history and empirical evidence shows that it will only be 50% to 80% effective (max).  In fact those figures will never actually be known unless everyone in the US is tested after receiving the vaccine.  And everyone receives the vaccine (which is not going to happen, there are always outliers). 

So,  we can hide and watch until someone gives the all clear (please define the "All Clear" requirements).  Or we can understand the virus, get back to your lives and live. 

You don't want to contract the virus, so what do you do.  Live smart.  But live. 

Here in SC the Governor, in his infinite wisdom, says he will extend the SC State of Emergency for another two weeks.  And will renew his "Home or Work" order.  But, in his infinite wisdom, he reopened the marinas.  Why??? Its not stay home or go to work. 

Saturday I took a short 60 mile ride.  I rode past a few marinas.  They were not packed but there were lots and lost of people. There were lots and lots of boats.  So, the "Home or Work" order is just window dressing here in SC. 

And if you wonder if I am POed or not, I am.  My civil liberties have been suspended. They is un-constitutional.  And all it took was a graph, a projection, an estimate and it was wrong. 

But hindsight is 20/20.  So, I agree that, unit we knew more, we needed to take some steps. 

Now we know more. 

By the way, the 2017-2018 Flu deaths I quoted as 90,000 was from Website "A" (I can't find the reference again in my few minutes of searching).  The figure from CDC "estimates" for the 2017-2018 Flu season is now reported as around 60,000.  And again,  we had a vaccine. 
 

How long is a flu season?

[Willow]

Or we can understand the virus, get back to your lives and live. 
You don't want to contract the virus, so what do you do.  Live smart.  But live.

Amen, Carolina.  Amen.

That's at least three of us that see this the same way.

BTW, COVID-19 is dangerous but it is simply the vehicle that showed up at the opportune time.  Our real problem is the media and its sheep.

[Valkorado]

So if we see an additional 50,000 American deaths attributed to COVID over the next month, how many of those should we consider to be inflated and disregard?  

Again, I'm on your side.  BELIEVE IT OR NOT I'M ALL FOR REOPENING OUR SOCIETY.

We differ in that I disagree that it's some piddly little virus.

If you think it it's, you're a bigger cowboy than I.  Ya might as well just get it, Hoss, 'cause you'll handle it just fine.  

You will have to define "some piddly little virus".   No one batted as much as an eye in the 2017-2018 flu season.  What was the number of deaths from the Flu that season?   90,000??  I would have to look it up again.

A vaccine was available for the Flu.  Still, 90,000??? deaths. 

We have no idea how many people has contracted Corona-19.  We only know the number tested and the number positive.  Its information. 

And the truth is the following. 

If and when a vaccine is developed, history and empirical evidence shows that it will only be 50% to 80% effective (max).  In fact those figures will never actually be known unless everyone in the US is tested after receiving the vaccine.  And everyone receives the vaccine (which is not going to happen, there are always outliers). 

So,  we can hide and watch until someone gives the all clear (please define the "All Clear" requirements).  Or we can understand the virus, get back to your lives and live. 

You don't want to contract the virus, so what do you do.  Live smart.  But live. 

Here in SC the Governor, in his infinite wisdom, says he will extend the SC State of Emergency for another two weeks.  And will renew his "Home or Work" order.  But, in his infinite wisdom, he reopened the marinas.  Why??? Its not stay home or go to work. 

Saturday I took a short 60 mile ride.  I rode past a few marinas.  They were not packed but there were lots and lost of people. There were lots and lots of boats.  So, the "Home or Work" order is just window dressing here in SC. 

And if you wonder if I am POed or not, I am.  My civil liberties have been suspended. They is un-constitutional.  And all it took was a graph, a projection, an estimate and it was wrong. 

But hindsight is 20/20.  So, I agree that, unit we knew more, we needed to take some steps. 

Now we know more. 

By the way, the 2017-2018 Flu deaths I quoted as 90,000 was from Website "A" (I can't find the reference again in my few minutes of searching).  The figure from CDC "estimates" for the 2017-2018 Flu season is now reported as around 60,000.  And again,  we had a vaccine. 
 

How long is a flu season?

Circulates October thru April or May.  Peaks between December and February.  Seven or eight months, on average.

[..]

So if we see an additional 50,000 American deaths attributed to COVID over the next month, how many of those should we consider to be inflated and disregard?  

Again, I'm on your side.  BELIEVE IT OR NOT I'M ALL FOR REOPENING OUR SOCIETY.

We differ in that I disagree that it's some piddly little virus.

If you think it it's, you're a bigger cowboy than I.  Ya might as well just get it, Hoss, 'cause you'll handle it just fine.  

You will have to define "some piddly little virus".   No one batted as much as an eye in the 2017-2018 flu season.  What was the number of deaths from the Flu that season?   90,000??  I would have to look it up again.

A vaccine was available for the Flu.  Still, 90,000??? deaths. 

We have no idea how many people has contracted Corona-19.  We only know the number tested and the number positive.  Its information. 

And the truth is the following. 

If and when a vaccine is developed, history and empirical evidence shows that it will only be 50% to 80% effective (max).  In fact those figures will never actually be known unless everyone in the US is tested after receiving the vaccine.  And everyone receives the vaccine (which is not going to happen, there are always outliers). 

So,  we can hide and watch until someone gives the all clear (please define the "All Clear" requirements).  Or we can understand the virus, get back to your lives and live. 

You don't want to contract the virus, so what do you do.  Live smart.  But live. 

Here in SC the Governor, in his infinite wisdom, says he will extend the SC State of Emergency for another two weeks.  And will renew his "Home or Work" order.  But, in his infinite wisdom, he reopened the marinas.  Why??? Its not stay home or go to work. 

Saturday I took a short 60 mile ride.  I rode past a few marinas.  They were not packed but there were lots and lost of people. There were lots and lots of boats.  So, the "Home or Work" order is just window dressing here in SC. 

And if you wonder if I am POed or not, I am.  My civil liberties have been suspended. They is un-constitutional.  And all it took was a graph, a projection, an estimate and it was wrong. 

But hindsight is 20/20.  So, I agree that, unit we knew more, we needed to take some steps. 

Now we know more. 

By the way, the 2017-2018 Flu deaths I quoted as 90,000 was from Website "A" (I can't find the reference again in my few minutes of searching).  The figure from CDC "estimates" for the 2017-2018 Flu season is now reported as around 60,000.  And again,  we had a vaccine. 
 

How long is a flu season?

Circulates October thru April or May.  Peaks between December and February.  Seven or eight months, on average.

So a few more months until we can compare apples to apples.

So long as the 'Rona numbers don't get too fudged.

[Robert]

If you think it it's, you're a bigger cowboy than I.  Ya might as well just get it, Hoss, 'cause you'll handle it just fine.   

How do I know I did not have it already, many already have and not shown symptoms or they were mild. The symptoms that are Covid are also the same for every other flu and I have already had the flu.

[Valkorado]

You're a persistent cuss,  Pilgrim.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/04/26/coronavirus-symptoms-cdc-adds-six-new-symptoms-covid-19/3029438001/

[Serk]

I'm really looking forward to the antibody tests. I've suspected for a while I might have had it in mid March. About a week after I attended a festival with 50,000+ of my closest friends, riding public transportation to and from, I developed a slight cough, bad headaches, sore throat, mild diarrhea and general malaise and tiredness which persisted for a little over a week...

Never bad enough to take more than OTC meds for the symptoms, but just annoying enough to be noted.

About a week later the wife developed similar symptoms.

[Robert]

I wonder if anyone has done a flow chart for those who get the virus.

It should read something like, feel bad get test, if yes, then self isolate till almost dead then go to hospital and die, not positive, no problem self isolate till someone else drops dead.

Forgot hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin for treating COVID-19 in there.

 Then it should read if a conservative, or someone with common sense, or somene so scared that they want to try the only known help, and if you test positive take the Trump recomended help, otherwise drop dead.  

[98valk]

I'm really looking forward to the antibody tests. I've suspected for a while I might have had it in mid March. About a week after I attended a festival with 50,000+ of my closest friends, riding public transportation to and from, I developed a slight cough, bad headaches, sore throat, mild diarrhea and general malaise and tiredness which persisted for a little over a week...

Never bad enough to take more than OTC meds for the symptoms, but just annoying enough to be noted.

About a week later the wife developed similar symptoms.

sounds like the seasonal Flu.  but don't worry state authorities will say it was C19 to pump up the numbers.

my friend/neighbor had similar symptoms in February, he was sick for about 1.5 weeks, he is 71.

[Robert]

I'm really looking forward to the antibody tests. I've suspected for a while I might have had it in mid March. About a week after I attended a festival with 50,000+ of my closest friends, riding public transportation to and from, I developed a slight cough, bad headaches, sore throat, mild diarrhea and general malaise and tiredness which persisted for a little over a week...

Never bad enough to take more than OTC meds for the symptoms, but just annoying enough to be noted.

About a week later the wife developed similar symptoms.

I have known some with these exact symptoms, no tests but all were fine.

[Valkorado]

Fever is the big C19 symptom,  generally.

[Serk]

I'm really looking forward to the antibody tests. I've suspected for a while I might have had it in mid March. About a week after I attended a festival with 50,000+ of my closest friends, riding public transportation to and from, I developed a slight cough, bad headaches, sore throat, mild diarrhea and general malaise and tiredness which persisted for a little over a week...

Never bad enough to take more than OTC meds for the symptoms, but just annoying enough to be noted.

About a week later the wife developed similar symptoms.

I have known some with these exact symptoms, no tests but all were fine.

The more blanket testing we're seeing, the clearer it's becoming that the VAST majority of people who are infected with C-19 are either asymptomatic or only develop nuisance symptoms like I listed above...

[Valkorado]

I'm really looking forward to the antibody tests. I've suspected for a while I might have had it in mid March. About a week after I attended a festival with 50,000+ of my closest friends, riding public transportation to and from, I developed a slight cough, bad headaches, sore throat, mild diarrhea and general malaise and tiredness which persisted for a little over a week...

Never bad enough to take more than OTC meds for the symptoms, but just annoying enough to be noted.

About a week later the wife developed similar symptoms.

I have known some with these exact symptoms, no tests but all were fine.

The more blanket testing we're seeing, the clearer it's becoming that the VAST majority of people who are infected with C-19 are either asymptomatic or only develop nuisance symptoms like I listed above...

That has been the case.  

Death is a nuisance. 
https://fox8.com/news/critics-say-the-flu-kills-more-than-coronavirus-heres-why-thats-not-true/

I'm sure the 54,000 would disagree.   About 2k Americans die every day from this Sh!t.  Bolded for emphasis.   Piddly.

[Valkorado]

Another trivial complication.

'Food supply chain is breaking,' Tyson Foods chairman says

www.foxnews.com/food-drink/food-supply-chain-breaking-tyson-foods-chairman-claims-plant-coronavirus-closures

Dang, I sure wish the media would quit making up all these fake stories!

[Serk]

Results of antibody studies so far (Emphasis added by me)

MIAMI-DADE COUNTY, FL
Dates: April 10th to 24th
Percent positive: 4.4% to 7.9%
Comparison to official case count: 16.5 times more
Infection Fatality Rate: approximately 0.2%
“Using random sampling, weighted across the County’s 32 municipal statistical areas… [and] statistical methods that account for the limitations of the test (sensitivity and specificity), we are 95% certain that the true amount… of infections is potentially 16.5 times the number of those captured through testing sites and local hospitals alone.”

NEW YORK:
Dates: April 20th to 23rd
Percent positive: 14% statewide and 21% in New York City
Comparison to official case count: 10 times more
Infection Fatality Rate: 0.5%
“The results would also mean that the fatality rate from the virus is relatively low — about 0.5 percent, Gov. Cuomo said. ‘What does it mean? I don’t know,’ Mr. Cuomo said.”

LOS ANGELES COUNTY, CA
Dates: April 10th and 11th
Percent positive: 2.8% to 5.6%
Comparison to official case count: 28 to 55 times more
Infection Fatality Rate: 0.06% to 0.12%
“Lead investigator Neeraj Sood said ‘The estimates suggest that we might have to recalibrate disease prediction models and rethink public health strategies.’”

SANTA CLARA COUNTY, CA
Dates: April 3rd and 4th
Percent positive: 2.5% to 4.2%
Comparison to official case count: 50 to 80 times more
Infection Fatality Rate: 0.06% to 0.10%
“Our findings suggest that there is somewhere between 50 and 80 times more infections in our county than… are reported by our department of public health,” Dr. Eran Bendavid, associate professor of medicine at Stanford University who led the study, said.

Source - (Yes, it's a Facebook post, which also lists the sources for all their claims at the bottom of said post.)  https://www.facebook.com/UnbiasedAmerica/posts/1315562645296394

[carolinarider09]

I can't find the source in the few minutes I have (before the Flyover here in South Carolina) but the study showed that the number of Corona-19 deaths were probably being inflated because of the reimbursement from the US Government (Medicare???). 

Something like $19,000 for a related death and $39,000 for a death that was officially attributed to Corona-19. 

In other words, the hospital was being reimbursement more if the death was officially listed as Corona-19. 

Now if you don't believe this has an impact on the number of deaths attributed to the virus, well....

So, yes, the numbers are being inflated. 

[..]

I'm really looking forward to the antibody tests. I've suspected for a while I might have had it in mid March. About a week after I attended a festival with 50,000+ of my closest friends, riding public transportation to and from, I developed a slight cough, bad headaches, sore throat, mild diarrhea and general malaise and tiredness which persisted for a little over a week...

Never bad enough to take more than OTC meds for the symptoms, but just annoying enough to be noted.

About a week later the wife developed similar symptoms.

One week in mid Feb. Sitting at  bar. Ooops I'm a gonna throw up - nothing eaten or drunk at that point in the evening. Pay bill for ordered drink. Dash home while sipping water. Fight womiting for a coupla hours. Rest of week I'm laid up in bed. Then 2 weeks of a hacking cough. Luckily school was out for that week.

Lotsa other similar stories in this county of people sick and going to the doctor. Being tested negative for flu.

[scooperhsd]

Another trivial complication.

'Food supply chain is breaking,' Tyson Foods chairman says

www.foxnews.com/food-drink/food-supply-chain-breaking-tyson-foods-chairman-claims-plant-coronavirus-closures

Dang, I sure wish the media would quit making up all these fake stories!

Not breaking down completely, but, there have been news stories on 4-6 meat packing plants having to close because their  plant became a COVID -19 hotspot. Included were Smithfield's major bacon  plant (get your bacon before it's gone or at least jumps in price ).

[Valkorado]

I'm proud to be an American and think moving our economy forward is essential.  I am proud that we realize there are no absolutes.  We must battle the virus and we must move forward and live.  Please keep that in mind.  Our country can and will reopen.  We must do so wisely.

I also very much enjoy observation, with an open mind.   I enjoy discussion with intelligent people, and I'm sure not above learning from folks.   I enjoy considering other methods,  ideas and techniques and implementing them where necessary and beneficial.

Just saying that when it comes to C19 there are very few absolutes.  There are still many unknowns, many questions.  We will eventually find the answers...

So, in the spirit of discussion.  Here is what they are thinking over the pond.  Right?  Wrong?  Or is there an absolute?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11487305/boris-johnson-coronavirus-lockdown-uk/

[..]

Another trivial complication.

'Food supply chain is breaking,' Tyson Foods chairman says

www.foxnews.com/food-drink/food-supply-chain-breaking-tyson-foods-chairman-claims-plant-coronavirus-closures

Dang, I sure wish the media would quit making up all these fake stories!

Not breaking down completely, but, there have been news stories on 4-6 meat packing plants having to close because their  plant became a COVID -19 hotspot. Included were Smithfield's major bacon  plant (get your bacon before it's gone or at least jumps in price ).

Look how many plant there are in the top 100 companies

https://www.provisioneronline.com/2018-top-100-meat-and-poultry-processors

[Robert]

The 2k daily stat is wrong the real stat is yesterday 1150 dead in US with 26k new cases.

Interesting stat the CDC has the Covid stat 2/1/20 to 4/25/20
death
Covid 27,675
All causes 673,580
pneumonia 57,480 with both 12.398
influenza 5,668
with pop of 327,167,434

NO I think we should continue to lock the country down over the influenza stats as they are worse than the Covid stats. NOT 

I think that there should be many heads that roll because of this, since many governmental agencies continue to hold power and did not accurately predict the extent of this either. I don't hear so many of those voices screaming as when this first was introduced.

[Valkorado]

The 2k daily stat is wrong the real stat is yesterday 1150 dead in US with 26k new cases.

Interesting stat the CDC has the Covid stat 2/1/20 to 4/25/20
death
Covid 27,675
All causes 673,580
pneumonia 57,480 with both 12.398
influenza 5,668
with pop of 327,167,434

  Sounds like it has run the course then.

Double check the numbers.

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

[Valkorado]

NO I think we should continue to lock the country down over the influenza stats as they are worse than the Covid stats. NOT 

Who said we should?   

[Willow]

The 2k daily stat is wrong the real stat is yesterday 1150 dead in US with 26k new cases.
...

Yesterday was lower than has been recently.  For the past many days the death rate per day has been reported as 1800 - 2200.

It's seemed to be primarily NYC.  Perhaps it has taken who is going to be taken there or at least most of whom are going to be taken.

[Serk]

Coronavirus Antibodies Present In Nearly 25% Of All NYC Residents, Cuomo Says

https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/04/27/coronavirus-antibodies-present-in-nearly-25-of-all-nyc-residents/

If it pleases the crown, may we now have our lives back please?

[carolinarider09]

"Enough is enough: E.R. Doctors with the stats, expertise and common sense say open up the economy"

"Dr. Dan Erickson and Dr. Artin Massihi emphatically urged the opening up of the economy in a news conference in Bakersfield, California last week. They cited the statistics and the facts on the COVID-19 pandemic as well as how physicians have been pressured to inflate the numbers on the disease.

Both are experienced emergency room Doctors that have examined the numbers and reached the conclusion. Given the lower-than-expected mortality rate and secondary effects of the partial lock-down, it is time to end the partial lock-down and get everyone back to work."

https://noqreport.com/2020/04/27/enough-is-enough-e-r-doctors-with-the-stats-expertise-and-common-sense-say-open-up-the-economy/

[f6john]

Just my own observation but it seems to me if this “pandemic “ was as bad ass as we have been lead to believe our essential  workers would be dropping like flies. Hospital workers, police, firefighters are out doing their jobs, some are getting sick, some have died but they march on.

I think that a lot of jobs are more essential than they have been credit for. Very few jobs are not essential for our country to run even somewhat well. It’s past time to open things up where hot spots don’t exist. Our New Democratic Governor is spineless and we will be drug along at the end of the line if past experience is any guide. Cowering in our safe spaces is not the answer except for the most vulnerable. Our leaders are on a power trip and trying to make a name for themselves. When people are dying it seems you can do what you want while looking all noble and compassionate. I’m not impressed.

[carolinarider09]

FYI

Except from the link below.  New York Post article dated April 15,2020. 

Dr. Fauci endorses Tinder hookups ‘if you’re willing to take a risk

Toward the end of the taped segment, Fauci was asked: “If you’re swiping on a dating app like Tinder, or Bumble or Grindr, and you match with someone that you think is hot, and you’re just kind of like, ‘Maybe it’s fine if this one stranger comes over.’ What do you say to that person?

You know, that’s tough,” replied the befuddled National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases director to the curveball. “Because that’s what’s called relative risk.”

Then he dropped the bombshell. “If you’re willing to take a risk — and you know, everybody has their own tolerance for risks — you could figure out if you want to meet somebody,” said Fauci, who was named a candidate for People magazine’s “Sexiest Man Alive” award.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/15/fauci-endorses-tinder-hookups-with-a-caveat/

[Serk]

THE CONTROVERSIAL WUHAN LAB EXPERIMENTS THAT MAY HAVE STARTED THE CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC


(And note this is coming from the extremely left wing biased Newsweek!)

https://www.newsweek.com/controversial-wuhan-lab-experiments-that-may-have-started-coronavirus-pandemic-1500503

[Robert]

OOOOOHHHH Cali residents are in big trouble  

California Gov Threatens 'Lockdown Crackdown' As Thousands Crowd SoCal Beaches: Live Updates

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/new-zealand-prepares-lift-lockdown-dr-birx-says-us-will-continue-social-distancing

In a sign of just how desperate people are to get outside, residents said the crowd packed on the beach is something typically seen on July 4. Visitors cruised around seaside neighborhoods searching for parking, bringing them into contact with furious locals.

Even Huntington Beach saw big gatherings, despite the closure of beach parking lots and other parking closures nearby.

Newsom praised the residents of other counties, who managed to get outside without flagrantly flouting the state's social distancing rules, specifically calling out those in San Diego and in San Mateo County, because "we had strong guidelines that were abided by."


good for them 


AG Barr Sics Federal Prosecutors On States With 'Unconstitutional' Lockdowns

[Valkorado]

Appreciate ya, China!

https://theboar.org/2020/04/has-the-dragon-run-out-of-fire/

Scientists suggest that 95% of virus cases may have been prevented if the Chinese government listened to whistleblowers, rather than trying to silence them. Instead of taking action, China began circulating conspiracy theories blaming Italy and America for the viral outbreak.

[f6gal]

I'm really looking forward to the antibody tests. I've suspected for a while I might have had it in mid March. About a week after I attended a festival with 50,000+ of my closest friends, riding public transportation to and from, I developed a slight cough, bad headaches, sore throat, mild diarrhea and general malaise and tiredness which persisted for a little over a week...

Never bad enough to take more than OTC meds for the symptoms, but just annoying enough to be noted.

About a week later the wife developed similar symptoms.

Sonora Quest is now offering the antibody test to the general public (in AZ anyway).  At this time, you need to have a doctor's order.  However, in early May, the requirement for doctor's order will be dropped.  Without a doctor's order, you will likely have to pay $65 (not sure about this part).

https://www.sonoraquest.com/coronavirus

[Valkorado]

Robert, you'll love this guy!  I did.

Tucker interviews NYC tailor Eliot Rabin 4-27-20

https://streamable.com/mu5wmy