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« Reply #1724 on: June 08, 2020, 03:04:05 PM » |
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Not only false positives, but also false negatives.
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From the article on Sweden: ... about half of those deaths occurred among elderly people living in nursing homes, Reuters reported.
... Now, more than a month later, nursing homes still bear the brunt of Sweden's COVID-19 deaths. The article largely quotes from NPR, a source in my opinion highly unreliable. The article focuses on deaths from COVID-19 in Sweden implying that lockdown would have reduced deaths. Lockdown was not originally claimed to reduce deaths but to slow the rate. People who are susceptible to the virus are eventually going to catch it until the virus subsides (herd immunity?). People in contained nursing homes in Sweden as in the United States gain no protection from lockdown. We have been and continue to be fed crap that simply doesn't make sense by so called experts. |
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From the article on Sweden: ... about half of those deaths occurred among elderly people living in nursing homes, Reuters reported.
... Now, more than a month later, nursing homes still bear the brunt of Sweden's COVID-19 deaths. The article largely quotes from NPR, a source in my opinion highly unreliable. The article focuses on deaths from COVID-19 in Sweden implying that lockdown would have reduced deaths. Lockdown was not originally claimed to reduce deaths but to slow the rate. People who are susceptible to the virus are eventually going to catch it until the virus subsides (herd immunity?). People in contained nursing homes in Sweden as in the United States gain no protection from lockdown. We have been and continue to be fed crap that simply doesn't make sense by so called experts. I have no loyalty to NPR. Tegnell does not work for NPR. Fox it is, then. https://www.foxnews.com/science/swedens-lax-covid-19-response-caused-too-many-deaths-countrys-top-epidemiologist-says |
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And this is why people lose faith in what they're saying. Pick a message and stay with it. None of this say one thing then try to retract it. Considering the way the virus has spread worldwide, one would have to be extremely gullible to believe that asymptomatic people are not contributing to that spread. |
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Considering the way the virus has spread worldwide, one would have to be extremely gullible to believe that asymptomatic people are not contributing to that spread.
Color me gullible. Those who choose to live in fear will live in fear and will do so with the encouragement of the media driven culture. OK, if you think only symptomatic people can spread the virus, I will color you gullible. What shade is that?  To those who are living in fear, that's too bad. I haven't lost a wink of sleep because of the virus. I do not think it's non-existent, or impossible to acquire. I will continue to avoid large groups, and wash my hands more than I used to before its arrival. |
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To those who are living in fear, that's too bad. I haven't lost a wink of sleep because of the virus. I do not think it's non-existent, or impossible to acquire. I will continue to avoid large groups, and wash my hands more than I used to before its arrival.
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To those who are living in fear, that's too bad. I haven't lost a wink of sleep because of the virus. I do not think it's non-existent, or impossible to acquire. I will continue to avoid large groups, and wash my hands more than I used to before its arrival.
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I know this has been talked about but its now offical. Official statement on what is a covid death IDPH Director explains how Covid deaths are classified If you were in hospice and had already been given a few weeks to live, and then you also were found to have COVID, that would be counted as a COVID death. It means technically even if you died of a clear alternate cause, but you had COVID at the same time, it's still listed as a COVID death. So, everyone who's listed as a COVID death doesn't mean that that was the cause of the death, but they had COVID at the time of the death." Dr. Ezike outlined. https://week.com/2020/04/20/idph-director-explains-how-covid-deaths-are-classified/ |
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I know this has been talked about but its now offical. Official statement on what is a covid death IDPH Director explains how Covid deaths are classified If you were in hospice and had already been given a few weeks to live, and then you also were found to have COVID, that would be counted as a COVID death. It means technically even if you died of a clear alternate cause, but you had COVID at the same time, it's still listed as a COVID death. So, everyone who's listed as a COVID death doesn't mean that that was the cause of the death, but they had COVID at the time of the death." Dr. Ezike outlined. https://week.com/2020/04/20/idph-director-explains-how-covid-deaths-are-classified/And it is NOT accurate. |
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I died in a car wreck, but I also had a cold. So the cold killed me?
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Disinfectant wipes and spray limited to 1.
Store brand Crunchy peanut butter hasn't been in stock for a few weeks.
No brown rice apart from boil in the bag. Not very much white rice on the shelf.
All pot noodles absent.
Most boxes of pasta absent.
Half of the soups absent.
Not many paper products.
Plenty of meat but at the expected higher price.
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Cans of beans, all types, very limited.
About half of the egg shelves were empty.
There was more but I can't remember.
The shortages could be due to lack of staff to fill the shelves? Hiccups in supply chain? People are still stocking up just in case?
I did some "strategic" purchasing in anticipation of there being a next wave / surge.
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Paul, I live in a pretty busy urban area. I would think this means that our (Walmart) supply would be better than most, but our population also means that some shelves will be empty (or nearly so) regardless of good supply.
I do most all my food (and other) shopping at this Walmart, and during this time, our food supply has been widely divergent. Time before last, there was almost no milk (usually there's hundreds of gallons). Today was the first frozen potatoes I've seen in a month. And so on. I have not seen one can of any frozen juice since the start.
I never do weekends, it's just too busy. This makes Monday the worst day of all supply-wise.
My point is, there are probably optimal times to find good supply, if you study on it.
I've been spending more money than normal, just to stock up and also to have more things around the house to munch on. Like 8 large bags of beef jerky. Man that stuff is steep, but it's better than popcorn.
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Japan's Prime Minister Shinzo Abe has announced the end of his state of emergency declaration for the novel coronavirus pandemic, with just 851 deaths reported and without ever implementing a lockdown.
"I have decided to end the state of emergency across the nation," Abe said during a televised press conference on Monday. "In just over a month and a half, we almost brought (the infection) situation under control."
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Japan's Prime Minister Shinzo Abe has announced the end of his state of emergency declaration for the novel coronavirus pandemic, with just 851 deaths reported and without ever implementing a lockdown.
"I have decided to end the state of emergency across the nation," Abe said during a televised press conference on Monday. "In just over a month and a half, we almost brought (the infection) situation under control."
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"I have decided to end the state of emergency across the nation," Abe said during a televised press conference on Monday. "In just over a month and a half, we almost brought (the infection) situation under control."
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