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That is interesting info. Make me look for more. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/#professionalComparing "apples to apples" is nearly impossible in this environment. But, it's about as close as we are likely to get. At least for "developed and free" countries. I think time will tell that the Kiwi's might have handled this the best. They do have some natural advantages though. For my accurate death info, I think total deaths over the normal average may be the best judge of the impacts. The numbers I'm seeing are about 200,000 for the U.S. That's really not far off of the 173,000 that has been reported. But where are other countries numbers ? I haven't been able to find them. |
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After much thought, I have decided that most universities should be closed to stop the spread of retardation.
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« Reply #2283 on: August 24, 2020, 12:16:52 PM » |
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After much thought, I have decided that most universities should be closed to stop the spread of retardation.
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When trump makes comments like a massive outbreak in NZ........ NZ is getting overrun, advises not to travel to NZ as it is out of control.... he opens himself up for ridicule. We have 22 deaths for 5 million people (not all deaths confirmed covid so may be as low as 17) The current cluster we have that is not from quarantine is a concern but hardly a massive outbreak with our total active cases being 114 and a bunch of those were picked up in the mandatory 14 day quarantine for NZ residents returning from overseas. 1 case in ICU Its dumb luck we don't have more cases though as the PM made lots of noise on how good we were but dropped the ball in not doing what she said she was going to do........ over 1K through the border & quarantine not tested, staff at quarantine hotels not tested, bus drivers carting new arrivals not tested, many thousands at the start getting through with a quick "if you feel sick self isolate (that's what going hard on people was at the start) massive testing going on now hence the slight blip in numbers and we expect more.... it could go south yet with so many holes in the "Locking down hard and fast" but with 1 new community case today and 2 in fresh arrivals (in quarantine) its hardly out of control atm being an island with a spread out population sure helps though Edit to add. Trumps comment on one video I watched made it even more ridiculous when just praised how well America has done with Covid, how good the numbers were.........then how bad things were in NZ??? Its not even close, per population we are more than 100 times better of with 4 per million (actually 4. something) deaths VS 544 per mil according to this site https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/Maybe this is another source in NZ, Leathel. https://www.foxnews.com/health/live-coronavirus-meat-seafood-study |
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I noticed it during an Army-Air Force combined conference in some sleepy little Bavarian spa [bad (bath) natural spring) resort. All the locals, family and all ages were buck naked. The conference was for JAGs, and we decided that bathing suits kept us out of conduct unbecoming issues (there were a number of female JAGs in the group as well, and they were not into the buck naked thing at all).  It's not that I'm all that shy, I'm just very cognizant of the sex offender registry, and the parts of me that never see the sun get sunburned badly, and real fast. |
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That was pretty much been ruled out after lots of site testing in this cluster but they are still not sure where this cluster came from so who knows......... Being so few cases it has been well traced from patient 0 on, household contacts, Work contacts, Church, School contact & public transport has been main the inflection points. |
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Department of Justice Requesting Data From Governors of States that Issued COVID-19 Orders that May Have Resulted in Deaths of Elderly Nursing Home Residents Thousands Of Swedes Receive False-Positive COVID-19 Results Due To Faulty Test Kits From China Traces Of COVID-19 Found In Abandoned Apartment Bathroom Offer New Clues About How It Spreads In the latest research to support the notion that the virus coronavirus in the bathroom of an unoccupied apartment in Guangzhou, China, suggests the airborne pathogen may have wafted upwards through drain pipes, an echo of a large SARS outbreak in Hong Kong 17 years ago. According to the research, traces of SARS-CoV-2 were detected on the sink, faucet and shower handle of a long-vacant apartment situated near the apartment of the family mentioned above. The contaminated bathroom was located directly above the home of five people confirmed a week earlier to have COVID-19. The study was carried out by researchers at the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention. The scientists conducted what they described as an "on-site tracer simulation experiment" to see whether the virus could be spread through waste pipes via tiny airborne particles created by the force of a toilet flushing. They found evidence of these aerosols in bathrooms 10 and 12 levels above the infected family's apartment. Two cases were confirmed on each of those floors in early February, raising concern that SARS-CoV-2-laden particles from the infected family's stool had drifted into their homes via plumbing and managed to successfully infect others. For those who don't understand the physics behind aerosol particles, the study's authors offered a visual guide. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-26/coronavirus-in-vacant-apartment-suggests-toilets-role-in-spread?srnd=premium&sref=i4qXzk6d |
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Shopping at my Ingles grocery store I noticed 9 males who were maskless.
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Shopping at my Ingles grocery store I noticed 9 males who were maskless.
From their dress I guessed they weren't in a group.
No one approached them to berate them and from my observations no one was looking askance at them.
For the most part there is compliance here, but I have come upon several patrons at different establishments who don't or won't wear them for whatever reason. I don't scold them, but I don't applaud their patriotism either. This is 'merica! It's not in my job description to make a fuss. I'm not out to discuss Constitutional rights with Johnny Six-pack. |
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This is a long read, and rather cerebral for a lay-article, but this is a promising development... (I know, someday someone needs to go back through this thread and count how many "promising developments" we've had up to this point...) A Supercomputer Analyzed Covid-19 — and an Interesting New Theory Has Emerged https://elemental.medium.com/a-supercomputer-analyzed-covid-19-and-an-interesting-new-theory-has-emerged-31cb8eba9d63 |
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https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-coronavirus-hospitalizations-soar-hawaii-since-indoor-outdoor-mask-mandates“ Just like in the Philippines and Peru, Hawaii's government has imposed a long, strict lockdown and has never emerged from it beyond a modified phase one reopening. Additionally, the state has had an indoor mask mandate in place since April 20 and an outdoor mandate (even while jogging!) since July 7. It is the model for what the political elites believe to be the key to stopping the spread. Yet the results are the same as they have been in every place that tried to put up a cloth in front of the inexorable spread of viral particles that can only be seen with an electron microscope.” “Hawaii's daily case count grew more than tenfold in July and August.” “ Hospitalizations have also increased eightfold since mid-July.” “ And it's not as if the edict is not being complied with. According to the New York Times, Hawaii has a high degree of compliance. The few people caught without masks have not only be cited, but arrested too. Then again, you can't beat the mandate in the Philippines, where residents were threatened with getting shot for violating coronavirus orders, yet as in all southern latitudes, the country is experiencing a late spread. Ditto for Peru, which had a universal mask mandate for months but has the most COVID-19 deaths per capita in the world.” The information posted above are portions of the article. Hit the link for the whole article.
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