Coronavirus $hit be getting real

[Oss]

which is why everybody being tested, as often as needed is the next requirement to save the economy

If it develops, as it should, that once a person had this flu they have antibody, then those people can re-open their businesses and customers who have survived should be able to shop

Or is everything we were ever taught about viruses a lie?  I think not  Lets get these tests out, the masks out and let doctors be creative

It is not difficult to make a billion test strips, it can not be harder than making a billion rounds of 22 ammo

Oss

Then FINALLY I can get a test and know I survived this CCP flu

[Serk]

[Valkorado]

PERFECT!!!

[Oss]

 

[DarkSideR]

I have learned two new things today about the C-19 Pandemic Hoax.

1st - Hospitals will be compensate as part of the Relief Bill. Any death that could possibly be linked to C-19 is being reported as a C-19 death. Meaning if a car crash victim comes in and the corpse it tested as C-19 positive the hospital reports it as a C-19 death.
 - Source (https://khn.org/news/in-coronavirus-relief-bill-hospitals-poised-to-get-massive-infusion-of-cash/?fbclid=IwAR3pGCqS-7QHI4yHZS21SzhOtYxVCGI-9W_-zk09Yrz4SQslZ8oKjboNcIw)

2nd - As of 4-4-2020 the CDC is no longer reporting Influenza Stats, so that we cannot compare the two (picture snapped today 4-10-2020).

 - Source (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm)

[G-Man]

I can not speak for other states but as an attorney dealing in MANY probate and administration matters
Death Certificates cross my desk.

In almost 40 years of this, this is what you would expect to see as an example
Cause of death      cardiac arrest
secondary to       coronary artery disease, diabetes

Perhaps G-Man or one of our other doctors can verify this but Covid 19 is never to be the CAUSE of death

It is a contributing factor leading to the pneumonia or heart attack often as the body dies from inability to get oxygen due to the concrete in the lungs

I am seeing more and more unconstitutional stuff going on, denials of due process, lack of equal protection, shutting down medical debate, loss of ability of doctors to treat as they deem fit

The government is there to serve us, it is not, it is dangerous, more dangerous than this covid itself

we must be wary, protect ourselves in all manners possible and question everything from both sides

make that all sides there are more than 2 sides to this

Gary, If I were a dr I would rx whatever I thought was best and go to court to squash like a bug the authority that tells me otherwise after my arrest

Yep, in my opinion, Cause of Death would be Pneumonia, due to Covid-19 (and any other pre-existings such as COPD or IPF)

[Valkorado]

I have learned to new things today about the C-19 Pandemic Hoax.

Surely, you jest.  No, I'm not calling you Shirley.

It was absooutely brilliant how the hospital managers invented C19 to make a buck.   

[G-Man]

which is why everybody being tested, as often as needed is the next requirement to save the economy

If it develops, as it should, that once a person had this flu they have antibody, then those people can re-open their businesses and customers who have survived should be able to shop

Or is everything we were ever taught about viruses a lie?  I think not  Lets get these tests out, the masks out and let doctors be creative

It is not difficult to make a billion test strips, it can not be harder than making a billion rounds of 22 ammo

Oss

Then FINALLY I can get a test and know I survived this CCP flu

Not all viruses behave the same.  Some remain in the body dormant and can later on be provoked to show its ugliness again, sometimes worse than before.  For example, the chicken pox virus that annoys a kid with a week of itching and scratching can show up 40 years later as the shingles and completely lay out an otherwise healthy person.  The herpes virus stays with you forever, like luggage (Eddie Murphy).

[Valkorado]

Not all viruses behave the same.  Some remain in the body dormant and can later on be provoked to show its ugliness again, sometimes worse than before.  For example, the chicken pox virus that annoys a kid with a week of itching and scratching can show up 40 years later as the shingles and completely lay out an otherwise healthy person.  The herpes virus stays with you forever, like luggage (Eddie Murphy).

https://nypost.com/2020/04/07/51-recovered-coronavirus-patients-test-positive-again-in-south-korea/

https://nypost.com/2020/02/19/whistleblower-doctors-say-coronavirus-reinfection-even-deadlier/

[Oss]

True G but you can work during those 40 yrs

Hope Cheryl is feeling better   

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https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/04/09/no-more-visiting-friends-and-neighbors-under-whitmers-expanded-coronavirus-order/5125426002/

[..]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8205237/Prisoners-hazmat-suits-continue-dig-mass-graves-NYCs-Hart-Island.html

[Jess from VA]

I have learned to two new things today about the C-19 Pandemic Hoax.

1st - Hospitals will be compensate as part of the Relief Bill. Any death that could possibly be linked to C-19 is being reported as a C-19 death. Meaning if a car crash victim comes in and the corpse it tested as C-19 positive the hospital reports it as a C-19 death.
 

It's important to always keep something in mind when evaluating anything important to you or people in general, and all those who may be involved in evaluating, studying, controlling, legislating, or reporting that issue.

No matter how honest or dishonest, objective or subjective any group of humans is, you can always count on groups of humans with similar interests, educations, skills and training to slant or skew or spin or outright lie about the issue to increase their collective wealth, or funding or power or prestige in their fields of expertise.

It is herd mentality, and equally applicable whether a crowd of violent protesters or sports fans, or the Bilderburg Group, or state, local and federal governments or bureaucracies, political parties, the United Nations, or the CDC.

If you ever read about an organized group of humans saying or doing something that will cost that group money or power or prestige, sit up and take notice because it's an extremely rare event.

There are without question honest humans, but watch out when humans group up in common interest.  

[Valkorado]

The article states,

"About $100 billion of the funding is intended to, as the bill puts it, “reimburse … eligible health care providers for health care related expenses or lost revenues that are attributable to coronavirus.”

Hospitals are experiencing something unique in this pandemic. Not only are they being forced in many cases to turn away their usual sources of revenue, like joint replacements and other elective procedures, but they are also experiencing a surge in very sick COVID-19 patients likely to consume large amounts of hospital resources for a long time".

I guess I can't see the wrong in that.   Now, the article does insinuate that the real concern is in the distribution of and accountability for the reimbursements.   I can understand that,  but can anyone argue that the hospitals should not be eligible for any reimbursement?   I cannot.

[Leathel]

A question for the Hoax callers, How many times in the past has the health care system run out of ventilators, used freezer trucks as morgues, has it hit the world at the same time ......not just one season and world wide has hot spots


  Comparing numbers ATM is going to be a waste of time as the virus is not done yet!


 The infections rates were a single case of C19 has infected a group at an event is astounding..... We are lucky in that our borders were closed early (would be better off if they actually followed up on getting people to self isolate as many didn't)

 One case a person went to the pub after travel...... half of those there got infected

one case at a wedding of 75 guests 64 got infected, add family not attending and its more

Our health care is handling it so our death rate is low, may not be if we didn't shut down but the death rate will rise with an old folks home getting hit by it, our 2nd death


Its not so much the virus being a super virus but more its infection rate swamping the system and people die due to lack of high quality care when the hospitals are over run

[Valkorado]

Agreed!

Most of the intubated folks are probably thinking it's a "super virus".

[Mr Whiskey]

If these guys are right, that's 82.5+ million outta work eventually in the US alone.
The world has changed Boys & Girls...Prepare accordingly, & God Bless!
(we're starting a garden, buying ammo, & installin' surveillance)

"The number of jobs lost in the last three weeks now exceeds the 15 million jobs lost during the Great Recession over a decade ago. Economic forecasts also predict the numbers will keep rising and the unemployment rate will top the 25% peak it hit during the Great Depression."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-boasts-biggest-stock-market-152739661.html

[..]

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8207267/The-howling-Americans-let-depths-pandemic.html

[Jess from VA]

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8207267/The-howling-Americans-let-depths-pandemic.html

I hope that doesn't catch on around here.

Singing is uplifting, howling...... isn't. 

If being couped up makes you anxious or crazy, read a good book or go for a walk or call your mom. 

If you own a house, it needs work.  They all do. 

[Serk]

Wow..... Something something broken clock twice a day...

(Some naughty language)

(I can't believe I'm actually sharing a Bill Maher video)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEfDwc2G2_8

[Valkorado]

Wow..... Something something broken clock twice a day...

(Some naughty language)

(I can't believe I'm actually sharing a Bill Maher video)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEfDwc2G2_8

I can't believe he's actually right.

[Robert]

Italy is Lying About Their Coronavirus Death Numbers
 Mr Reagan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXlHXmfDDnc

What do you think your life will look like 1 year from now, especially financially.


Look at How Ridiculously Wrong All the Covid-19 Models Were



According to the CDC, 80,000 Americans died from flu during the 2017-2018 season. A lot of the people, maybe most, of the people who died of COVID-19 this year, would have died from influenza A, B, or H1N1. Do you think all these other viruses just went away because a new one arrived?
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/26/health/flu-deaths-2017--2018-cdc-bn/index.html

[Valkorado]

Look at How Ridiculously Wrong All the Covid-19 Models Were

GOOD!

[Valkorado]

Italy is Lying About Their Coronavirus Death Numbers
 

Then we must really be fibbing about our death numbers too.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/04/11/coronavirus-white-house-cases-deaths-easter-preparations/5132802002/

US poised to pass Italy in most  coronavirus deaths in the world
The United States was close to surpassing Italy on Saturday to become the country with the most coronavirus deaths, according to data from the Johns Hopkins University dashboard.

The U.S. death toll early Saturday stood at 18,777, while Italy had 18,849 and Spain had 16,353.

[Robert]

Italy is Lying About Their Coronavirus Death Numbers
 

Then we must really be fibbing about our death numbers too.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/04/11/coronavirus-white-house-cases-deaths-easter-preparations/5132802002/

US poised to pass Italy in most  coronavirus deaths in the world
The United States was close to surpassing Italy on Saturday to become the country with the most coronavirus deaths, according to data from the Johns Hopkins University dashboard.

The U.S. death toll early Saturday stood at 18,777, while Italy had 18,849 and Spain had 16,353.

Dont know why you are so worked up about this and yes you are right about the deaths in the US but also you need to look at the total number of cases, and as of yesterday.

USA total cases 502,872 and total deaths as stated 18,747 but Italy has total cases of 147,577 but deaths 18,849 much higher percentage wise, so why do you think the much higher rate?

Another number they are putting in reports are the total number of tests which is now 2,538,888 which goes up everyday and so does the cases reported. So the new cases could be caused not by actual new cases but the testing being much more everyday.

We as a country have been put into a possible tail spin because of the first projections, but the reality has been much different and as a comparison global warming made similar predictions.

Many people as other tests have shown, already have the virus but show no effects, so that says not only that there may be many more but they have no ill effects from the virus and go about life in a  normal manner.

This would mean the quarantine is really not working or unnecessary plain and simple. So the question is, is the quarantine working or are the numbers following every virus we have had. Statistically speaking the numbers seem to follow the normal viral progression. This was done without quarantine also so how do you or anyone justify the devastation fo the economy at this point.

[Valkorado]

The Lord helps those who help themselves...

“My President Is Not My God”: Some Churches Are Planning To Host Hundreds For Easter Sunday Services Despite The Coronavirus

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/emaoconnor/churches-easter-services-coronavirus-outbreak

[Valkorado]

Italy is Lying About Their Coronavirus Death Numbers
 

Then we must really be fibbing about our death numbers too.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/04/11/coronavirus-white-house-cases-deaths-easter-preparations/5132802002/

US poised to pass Italy in most  coronavirus deaths in the world
The United States was close to surpassing Italy on Saturday to become the country with the most coronavirus deaths, according to data from the Johns Hopkins University dashboard.

The U.S. death toll early Saturday stood at 18,777, while Italy had 18,849 and Spain had 16,353.

Dont know why you are so worked up about this and yes you are right about the deaths in the US but also you need to look at the total number of cases, and as of yesterday.

USA total cases 502,872 and total deaths as stated 18747 but Italy has total cases of 147,577 but deaths 18,849 much higher percentage wise, so why do you think?

Another number they are putting in reports are the total number of tests which is now 2,538,888 which goes up everyday and so does the cases reported. So the new cases could be caused not by actual new cases but the testing being much more everyday

I want it to end as much as anyone.  Like you, I have little choice in the matter.  We'll get there...  Griping about the mitigations won't bring it to that end any quicker, and a second outbreak could well delay our return to normalcy even further.  I don't have all the answers.  Do you?  If not, I guess we'll have to leave it up to the powers that be.

[Robert]

  I don't have all the answers.  Do you?  If not, I guess we'll have to leave it up to the powers that be.

And that is the real problem, Do you trust the people selling this?

  Have you done the real research to protect yourself and your family and made a logical informed decision not based on the powers that be, but because your informed decision has led you to make the best decision for you possible or did you rely on the hype of the media?  The current media that is biased beyond belief with questionable motives.

I am pretty confident to live and die by my own decisions and by my own information. Do you feel the same?

How do you feel about global warming?

I also remember this too.



Smart men on both sides so WHO do you believe and why?

[Serk]

Report from inside the hardest hit part of Italy...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qveMbt2XE4

[Valkorado]

Robert, we agree on more than you see.  I'm just not ready to take up arms and head into the streets.  Yet.

That said, I am not part of the hoax/fraud crowd.

[Robert]

Robert, we agree on more than you see.  I'm just not ready to take up arms and head into the streets.  Yet.

 
 

I think we are not alone either 

[Robert]

Report from inside the hardest hit part of Italy...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qveMbt2XE4

So I could read this either way, virus super bad need lock down, or virus bad but lock down worse.

Whats your opinion?

To me I see one hospital and a few in beds that could be anywhere. And I know that you have seen drone footage of places like NJ that are barren. So the video has the underlying scare to it but does it show anything out of what you would expect.

I dont know if you have but have you ever been in an emergency room when all hell breaks loose?

I remembered when I posted this of the first lady. Some said I was bad since I was looking at the lady with bad thoughts. But I saw something so beautiful and different that many could not see. I saw not only a beautiful dignified lady but something that made my heart jump for joy. Amazing maybe that is what is meant when its said beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Since I knew the significance of a seemingly straight forward photo.

[98valk]

Report from inside the hardest hit part of Italy...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qveMbt2XE4

So I could read this either way, virus super bad need lock down, or virus bad but lock down worse.

Whats your opinion?

To me I see one hospital and a few in beds that could be anywhere. And I know that you have seen drone footage of places like NJ that are barren. So the video has the underlying scare to it but does it show anything out of what you would expect.

I dont know if you have but have you ever been in an emergency room when all hell breaks loose?

I remembered when I posted this of the first lady. Some said I was bad since I was looking at the lady with bad thoughts. But I saw something so beautiful and different that many could not see. I saw not only a beautiful dignified lady but something that made my heart jump for joy. Amazing maybe that is what is meant when its said beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

lock down due to corruption of governors and hospital CEOs. A coverup.  built undersized and under equipped hospitals. cuomo has shut down over 19 hospitals, and diverted money away to his pet projects like solar factories. murphy reduce spending to hospitals over 40 million last yr. murphs latest speeches we must not over load the beds available. some hospital dept heads saying same thing on radio interviews.  this is why they are listing ALL daily deaths as C-19, cover up.
new hospitals in NJ and PA have interiors like five star hotels. I've been in a few and have talked to some contrators doing working in them.  look it up.
Right south jersey hospitals CEOs are laying off staff since the money making elective surgery has been stopped.  The medical system is corrupt at all levels.   if socialist medicine was here, it would be even worst, beyond belief. but the leaders and CEOs will be wealthy.

[Valkorado]

Report from inside the hardest hit part of Italy...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qveMbt2XE4

So I could read this either way, virus super bad need lock down, or virus bad but lock down worse.

Whats your opinion?

To me I see one hospital and a few in beds that could be anywhere. And I know that you have seen drone footage of places like NJ that are barren. So the video has the underlying scare to it but does it show anything out of what you would expect.

I dont know if you have but have you ever been in an emergency room when all hell breaks loose?

I've said several times that I am glad those decisions -- and how to implement them -- are not mine.  I guess that's what I meant by leaving it to the powers that be.  With a Christian faith that they wouldn't have their powers without it being the will of God, and with the belief that our leaders have the best interests of the people at heart.  Do I blindly follow them?  NO. But I do look at how CDC and the Whitehouse have distanced themselves from the globally based, politically correct, socialized medicine pushing and China leaning WHO.  THAT IS GOOD.

Now, IF the powers that be start getting a bit too powerful, we may have to consider those other patriotic options mentioned above.  Does that sound like the words of someone who follows the media?
 
I will also say I'm glad the powers that be are what they are, and not what they could have been or could change back to in November.  I think keeping those powers being will be very important to the economic rebuilding of our country.  Agree?

[Serk]

Robert - I've been following QAnon since the beginning, I was active on the forum where it originated.

And I don't believe a bit of it.

[Robert]

Robert - I've been following QAnon since the beginning, I was active on the forum where it originated.

And I don't believe a bit of it.

OK, so you believe Q is a control, but what about the virus and the handling of it?

[Willow]

The Lord helps those who help themselves...
...

I'm not sure whether you posted that as a joke or in seriousness.  That phrase has no basis in either the Bible or true Christianity.

Our local church has chosen to worship remotely and is providing services and devotionals for the members to do so.  I support that in view of the fear and threat of OVID-19.  I do, however, hold strongly to the belief that that is a decision that belongs to the people, not to the government.

[Valkorado]

The Lord helps those who help themselves...
...

I'm not sure whether you posted that as a joke or in seriousness.  That phrase has no basis in either the Bible or true Christianity.

Our local church has chosen to worship remotely and is providing services and devotionals for the members to do so.  I support that in view of the fear and threat of OVID-19.  I do, however, hold strongly to the belief that that is a decision that belongs to the people, not to the government.

In jest, Willow, in jest.  Jeezum Louise-um.

[Robert]

I've said several times that I am glad those decisions -- and how to implement them -- are not mine.  I guess that's what I meant by leaving it to the powers that be.  With a Christian faith that they wouldn't have their powers without it being the will of God, and with the belief that our leaders have the best interests of the people at heart.  Do I blindly follow them?  NO. But I do look at how CDC and the Whitehouse have distanced themselves from the globally based, politically correct, socialized medicine pushing and China leaning WHO.  THAT IS GOOD.

Now, IF the powers that be start getting a bit too powerful, we may have to consider those other patriotic options mentioned above.

I will also say I'm glad the powers that be are what they are, and not what they could have been or could change back to in November.  I think keeping those powers being will be very important to the economic rebuilding of our country.  Agree?

I agree with much of what you say, but always remember, God sometimes gives us what we ask for and not what is necessarily the best choice, one that HE would make for us, so it goes with leaders also.

I am only interested to see what will happen when this all shakes out after some time and see what we have. I think the response was way to heavy handed and just worry about putting all the pieces back together for people. Many so many are out of work and before it gets better it may get worse.

You get me thinking, a good thing I think.  

[Valkorado]

Discussion can be fun!  Again, I do see both sides.