Unusual circumstances

[f6john]

State of the Union address on Tuesday and then a final vote on impeachment the next day. I know Trump is loving it but I was wondering about the Democrats. Will any Democrats even show up for his address? I don’t know the exact number but I know a few have stayed away in the past during Trumps tenure. Will there be anything said that can get them to acknowledge all the positives or will it be stone faces all around. I’m going to have to watch.

[da prez]

  Ignorance is as ignorance does.  IF THEY WOULD DO THEIR JOB AS THEY ARE PAID TO DO .

  They have spent more money on a hunt for nothing other than their self satisfaction.
 Look up the guide lines for impeachment.
                          LET HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE. 

                                               da prez

[Oss]

One can only hope all of those who fail to stand and show respect for the office
of the President will get their just desserts come November

Whether you like him or not show respect or expect none when it is your turn

IMHO Senate made a mistake not simply voting no on Friday. Spineless Republicans and delusional Democrats  what a mess we have in the swamp

[Farside]

One can only hope all of those who fail to stand and show respect for the office
of the President will get their just desserts come November

Whether you like him or not show respect or expect none when it is your turn

IMHO Senate made a mistake not simply voting no on Friday. Spineless Republicans and delusional Democrats  what a mess we have in the swamp

  Agreed 

[old2soon]

         I've seen preschool children with Way More discipline then most of the elected types in deception central. Fact is iffin any of those elected types were my kin we would be headin fer the woodshed. Where's my Dads garrison belt from when he was in the National Guard? Last I knew it-belt-were thick and flexible.  RIDE SAFE.

[Rams]

With Speaker Pelosi's and Minority Leader Senator Schumer's leadership, one can most surely expect something dis-respectful toward the President. 

Rams

[crow]

No Democrat yelled LIAR, while this President was speaking.

[Tony C.]

    They have spent more money on a hunt for nothing other than their self satisfaction.
 

Hunt for nothing?  ???  The majority of the country does not think it was a hunt for nothing. There's ample proof that Trump pressured a foreign country for his own political gain by with holding aid approved by Congress. If he's really innocent, why did the Republicans vote for no witnesses? Come on guys. We all know why. They're afraid of Trumps Twitter account and they've got no spines, with the exception of Romney and Collins. The potential silver lining is that Americans will hold Republican Senators accountable in the next election. Wouldn't that be a site to see?

On the plus side for a minority of people who read this Board, there's a real possibility that Trump is losing support from Evangelicals. I can only hope it comes true.

https://time.com/5775440/donald-trump-evangelical-opposition/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=the-brief&utm_content=20200203&xid=newsletter-brief

 

[f6john]

    They have spent more money on a hunt for nothing other than their self satisfaction.
 

Hunt for nothing?  ???  The majority of the country does not think it was a hunt for nothing. There's ample proof that Trump pressured a foreign country for his own political gain by with holding aid approved by Congress. If he's really innocent, why did the Republicans vote for no witnesses? Come on guys. We all know why. They're afraid of Trumps Twitter account and they've got no spines, with the exception of Romney and Collins. The potential silver lining is that Americans will hold Republican Senators accountable in the next election. Wouldn't that be a site to see?

On the plus side for a minority of people who read this Board, there's a real possibility that Trump is losing support from Evangelicals. I can only hope it comes true.

https://time.com/5775440/donald-trump-evangelical-opposition/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=the-brief&utm_content=20200203&xid=newsletter-brief

 

I appreciate you predicament. You have no candidate to put up against Trump so what else can you do but trash the President? If the house managers wanted more testimony they should have called them during their hearings, that was their duty. They shirked their responsibility and then want the opposing side to pick up their stinker and run with it. The people with spines are the Democrats who crossed over in the House and voted against the articles. See how that argument works against you.

Don’t count on evangelicals bailing you out, ain’t going to happen!

[G-Man]

   They have spent more money on a hunt for nothing other than their self satisfaction.
 

Hunt for nothing?  ???  The majority of the country does not think it was a hunt for nothing. There's ample proof that Trump pressured a foreign country for his own political gain by with holding aid approved by Congress. If he's really innocent, why did the Republicans vote for no witnesses? Come on guys. We all know why. They're afraid of Trumps Twitter account and they've got no spines, with the exception of Romney and Collins. The potential silver lining is that Americans will hold Republican Senators accountable in the next election. Wouldn't that be a site to see?

On the plus side for a minority of people who read this Board, there's a real possibility that Trump is losing support from Evangelicals. I can only hope it comes true.

https://time.com/5775440/donald-trump-evangelical-opposition/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=the-brief&utm_content=20200203&xid=newsletter-brief

 

Trump's lawyers and Alan Dershowitz clearly detailed where past Presidents have used their power to influence the behavior of foreign leaders for their beneficial gains (with a video of Biden bragging about doing it) AND that anything positive that a President accomplishes within his first term can then be considered "for his or her own political benefit" by your argument.    They also played tape and read transcripts of interviews where Ukraine said they didn't even know anything was going on and never felt pressure therefore never even started or announced an investigation into anything.  Therefore, nothing happened.  As far as witnesses, why would anybody, or any group intentionally help the opposition make any kind of a case when the opposition had all the time in the world to do it when they had control of EVERYTHING.  The Dems made the rules when they had it in congress, right?  So why didn't they call the witnesses then?  Trump and the White House did what they were supposed to do and try and block everything the dems were doing.  It was up to the Dems to go to the courts (checks and balances) and make their case for witnesses, but they pushed it through because they knew they had nothing.  Now they want the opposition lead Senate to fix their mistakes and failures?  Doesn't work that way and they know it.  Now they can blame the failure on the republican Senate for "covering up for Trump".  

[Willow]

Hunt for nothing?  ???  The majority of the country does not think it was a hunt for nothing. There's ample proof that Trump pressured a foreign country for his own political gain by with holding aid approved by Congress. If he's really innocent, why did the Republicans vote for no witnesses? Come on guys. We all know why. They're afraid of Trumps Twitter account and they've got no spines, with the exception of Romney and Collins. The potential silver lining is that Americans will hold Republican Senators accountable in the next election. Wouldn't that be a site to see?

On the plus side for a minority of people who read this Board, there's a real possibility that Trump is losing support from Evangelicals. I can only hope it comes true.

 

There was no crime.  The aid was provided to Ukraine within the expected time.  No connection was there between the aid and any action on the part of Ukraine.

Witnesses?  The only purpose of the call for additional witnesses was to drag out the process.  The House Dems never had any chance of removing the President.  It takes a two thirds majority in the Senate to convict.  The point of the impeachment was simply to get news time to cast aspersion upon the duly elected President of the United States.  It was cleverly timed to coincide with the beginning of campaigns for the 2020 elections.

Will the voters hold the Senators accountable in the next election?  Yes.  They will be overwhelmingly reelected.  The House will lose some seats in the other than solid blue districts.  The House may lose its majority and the Senate will likely increase their Republican majority.

[..]

TDS will continue to build pressure in the minds of some.

This election day will definitely be one for the history pages.

[f6john]

No Democrat yelled LIAR, while this President was speaking.

Good point, even though the case you refer to it was true, it was in bad taste. The accusations made against Trump on national tv by Congressmen are much worse than liar. Much easier to say on camera with your crew behind you than face to face or in front of the accused and his peers.

[Pete]

There are not enough grown-ups left in Washington DC to have a quorum for any meeting.

We need to pay more attention who we vote for and why?

[Moonshot_1]

    They have spent more money on a hunt for nothing other than their self satisfaction.
 

Hunt for nothing?  ???  The majority of the country does not think it was a hunt for nothing. There's ample proof that Trump pressured a foreign country for his own political gain by with holding aid approved by Congress. If he's really innocent, why did the Republicans vote for no witnesses? Come on guys. We all know why. They're afraid of Trumps Twitter account and they've got no spines, with the exception of Romney and Collins. The potential silver lining is that Americans will hold Republican Senators accountable in the next election. Wouldn't that be a site to see?

On the plus side for a minority of people who read this Board, there's a real possibility that Trump is losing support from Evangelicals. I can only hope it comes true.

https://time.com/5775440/donald-trump-evangelical-opposition/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=the-brief&utm_content=20200203&xid=newsletter-brief

 

Majority of the country does think it was a hunt for less than nothing. A sham. There is undeniable proof, from the Ukrainian President himself, that there was no pressure to do anything. There is undeniable proof that the aid was sent to the Ukrainian government in the time required by law. The Democrats, not the House, voted for the Impeachment Articles. The House vote to not Impeach was bi-partisan.

The Senate Republicans voted to have no more witnesses in order to stop the partisan farce.

Personally I would have liked to see the vote on witnesses pass so the President's team could subpoena every last corrupt Democrat and Republican to prove he is draining the swamp and exposing the undermining of the electoral process by the Democrats. And do it on the floor of the Senate for all to see.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Majority of the country does think it was a hunt for less than nothing. A sham. There is undeniable proof, from the Ukrainian President himself, that there was no pressure to do anything.

That would be incorrect. There has been a clear majority in favor of removing him from office.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/

As to Zelenskiy saying there was no pressure. It would be pretty foolish of him to risk his country falling to the Russians by saying otherwise.

[Bighead]

Majority of the country does think it was a hunt for less than nothing. A sham. There is undeniable proof, from the Ukrainian President himself, that there was no pressure to do anything.

That would be incorrect. There has been a clear majority in favor of removing him from office.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/

As to Zelenskiy saying there was no pressure. It would be pretty foolish of him to risk his country falling to the Russians by saying otherwise.

Gotta love polls.    Polls only show the thoughts of those polled.  I could go out and take a poll and show just the opposite of that one. All depends on who you are asking.

[Willow]

Majority of the country does think it was a hunt for less than nothing. A sham. There is undeniable proof, from the Ukrainian President himself, that there was no pressure to do anything.

That would be incorrect. There has been a clear majority in favor of removing him from office.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/

...

The article to which you linked does not support your statement.  Polls are certainly influenced by how the questions are asked and to whom they are asked.  Keep in mind that in 2016 the polls (many of them) predicted a landslide victory for Hillary Clinton.

[Detn8er]

Majority of the country does think it was a hunt for less than nothing. A sham. There is undeniable proof, from the Ukrainian President himself, that there was no pressure to do anything.

That would be incorrect. There has been a clear majority in favor of removing him from office.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/

As to Zelenskiy saying there was no pressure. It would be pretty foolish of him to risk his country falling to the Russians by saying otherwise.

I could be wrong. However it looks like a pole of less than 5,000 people. With 300+
million citizens I would think that equals to a poll meaning really close to nothing.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Majority of the country does think it was a hunt for less than nothing. A sham. There is undeniable proof, from the Ukrainian President himself, that there was no pressure to do anything.

That would be incorrect. There has been a clear majority in favor of removing him from office.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/

As to Zelenskiy saying there was no pressure. It would be pretty foolish of him to risk his country falling to the Russians by saying otherwise.

I could be wrong. However it looks like a pole of less than 5,000 people. With 300+
million citizens I would think that equals to a poll meaning really close to nothing.

If you click on the little button "show more polls" it will bring up more of them. I quit counting after 20 thousand. The linked site is an amalgamation of several polls.  But yes, you are correct. They didn't poll every man, woman, and child in the country.

[Moonshot_1]

Majority of the country does think it was a hunt for less than nothing. A sham. There is undeniable proof, from the Ukrainian President himself, that there was no pressure to do anything.

That would be incorrect. There has been a clear majority in favor of removing him from office.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/

As to Zelenskiy saying there was no pressure. It would be pretty foolish of him to risk his country falling to the Russians by saying otherwise.

So the President of the Ukraine is a big fat liar. Ok. You can go with that.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Majority of the country does think it was a hunt for less than nothing. A sham. There is undeniable proof, from the Ukrainian President himself, that there was no pressure to do anything.

That would be incorrect. There has been a clear majority in favor of removing him from office.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/

As to Zelenskiy saying there was no pressure. It would be pretty foolish of him to risk his country falling to the Russians by saying otherwise.

So the President of the Ukraine is a big fat liar. Ok. You can go with that.

The President of Ukraine is trying to save his country and its people. Think about the unknown ramifications if he had said he was pressured. Do you believe Trump and the Republicans would have provided any future support if he had ? He was in a no win position. And the proceedings have proved him right. Trump will not be removed, to say anything perceived negative by Trump would have been bad for his people.

[RP#62]

Majority of the country does think it was a hunt for less than nothing. A sham. There is undeniable proof, from the Ukrainian President himself, that there was no pressure to do anything.

That would be incorrect. There has been a clear majority in favor of removing him from office.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/

As to Zelenskiy saying there was no pressure. It would be pretty foolish of him to risk his country falling to the Russians by saying otherwise.

So the President of the Ukraine is a big fat liar. Ok. You can go with that.

The President of Ukraine is trying to save his country and its people. Think about the unknown ramifications if he had said he was pressured. Do you believe Trump and the Republicans would have provided any future support if he had ? He was in a no win position. And the proceedings have proved him right. Trump will not be removed, to say anything perceived negative by Trump would have been bad for his people.

If that was the case you'd have thought he would have launched an investigation into Burisma, or at least announced it, you know, to save his country and people.

-RP

[The emperor has no clothes]

Majority of the country does think it was a hunt for less than nothing. A sham. There is undeniable proof, from the Ukrainian President himself, that there was no pressure to do anything.

That would be incorrect. There has been a clear majority in favor of removing him from office.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/

As to Zelenskiy saying there was no pressure. It would be pretty foolish of him to risk his country falling to the Russians by saying otherwise.

So the President of the Ukraine is a big fat liar. Ok. You can go with that.

The President of Ukraine is trying to save his country and its people. Think about the unknown ramifications if he had said he was pressured. Do you believe Trump and the Republicans would have provided any future support if he had ? He was in a no win position. And the proceedings have proved him right. Trump will not be removed, to say anything perceived negative by Trump would have been bad for his people.

If that was the case you'd have thought he would have launched an investigation into Burisma, or at least announced it, you know, to save his country and people.

-RP

Actually, reports are he was very close to going on CNN at the time of the whistleblower outing the shenanigans. That, and I think they realize it's not in their interest to screw over the Democrats also.

[Moonshot_1]

Majority of the country does think it was a hunt for less than nothing. A sham. There is undeniable proof, from the Ukrainian President himself, that there was no pressure to do anything.

That would be incorrect. There has been a clear majority in favor of removing him from office.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/

As to Zelenskiy saying there was no pressure. It would be pretty foolish of him to risk his country falling to the Russians by saying otherwise.

So the President of the Ukraine is a big fat liar. Ok. You can go with that.

The President of Ukraine is trying to save his country and its people. Think about the unknown ramifications if he had said he was pressured. Do you believe Trump and the Republicans would have provided any future support if he had ? He was in a no win position. And the proceedings have proved him right. Trump will not be removed, to say anything perceived negative by Trump would have been bad for his people.

Obama sends Ukraine MREs, Trump sends Javelin anti-tank missiles and lethal aid and your logic is Trump will undermine the Ukraine. And the Ukrainian President is a big, fat, liar. Ok fine.

[RP#62]

Majority of the country does think it was a hunt for less than nothing. A sham. There is undeniable proof, from the Ukrainian President himself, that there was no pressure to do anything.

That would be incorrect. There has been a clear majority in favor of removing him from office.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/

As to Zelenskiy saying there was no pressure. It would be pretty foolish of him to risk his country falling to the Russians by saying otherwise.

So the President of the Ukraine is a big fat liar. Ok. You can go with that.

The President of Ukraine is trying to save his country and its people. Think about the unknown ramifications if he had said he was pressured. Do you believe Trump and the Republicans would have provided any future support if he had ? He was in a no win position. And the proceedings have proved him right. Trump will not be removed, to say anything perceived negative by Trump would have been bad for his people.

If that was the case you'd have thought he would have launched an investigation into Burisma, or at least announced it, you know, to save his country and people.

-RP

Actually, reports are he was very close to going on CNN at the time of the whistleblower outing the shenanigans. That, and I think they realize it's not in their interest to screw over the Democrats also.

So, he didn't do what Trump strong armed him to do so he wouldn't screw over the Dems and then he lied about being strong armed so that Trump wouldn't delay the aid (that he didn't know was being delayed)?  Is that what you really think?

-RP 

[f6john]

You gotta love Meathead but his posts should come with disclaimers and footnotes. He corrects me every time I reference something I thought he said which he did type but not what he was really saying. But I’m sure it all makes perfect sense to him and maybe Bob.

[Black Pearl's Captain]

Once again, the Trump wins the vote, 51 to 49 but meathead still doesn't understand-agree-comprehend-concede-giveitup-getoverit-makeanysense--keepsonreadingfactsfromfakenewssites.....

[Robert]

I cannot think of any better application to this than what is exhibited by left leaning individuals in reference to the travisty that is the dems party.
                                                                           
Mat 7:3  "Why do you look at the speck that is in Trump's eye, but do not notice the log that is in
Biden,Clinton,dems and your own eye?
Mat 7:4  "Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' and behold, the log is in your own eye?


Once this question is answered and the problems of the dems total corruption is answered or at least addressed we will have a more level playing field and then we can compare apples to apples. Things are so upside down with the rampant corruption of the dems and the political upheavel that this fake impeachment brings along with TDS there is no way we can have a common ground to solve this countrys problems from both sides.

A question, how can the left have a Mueller investigation over swaying the election yet turn a blind eye to the dems total corruption of the election by addmittance of the Steel report, FISA abuse, Ukrain saying Biden influenced the elections, Biden getting a prosecutor fired

[Serk]

Good example of just how bat-spit insane the other side is - Schiff's closing arguments intimated that if President Trump wasn't removed he could give Alaska back to Russia.....

They've lost all connection to reality and should seek out some psychological help.



Edit to add source: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/schiff-warns-that-trump-could-sell-alaska-to-russia-if-unchecked

[Tony C.]

That would be incorrect. There has been a clear majority in favor of removing him from office.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/

As to Zelenskiy saying there was no pressure. It would be pretty foolish of him to risk his country falling to the Russians by saying otherwise.

Bingo!

I know that arguing over the internet is like pissing into the wind. It's stupid. I know that I'm never going to change opinions here just like the majority here isn't going to change mine. But sometimes I just can't  help myself. Much of the stuff I read here feels like I'm living in an alternate reality. Oh well. Time will tell if we'll have four more years of the Trump administration. I'm hopeful that we won't.  

[The emperor has no clothes]

Good example of just how bat-spit insane the other side is - Schiff's closing arguments intimated that if President Trump wasn't removed he could give Alaska back to Russia.....

They've lost all connection to reality and should seek out some psychological help.



Edit to add source: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/schiff-warns-that-trump-could-sell-alaska-to-russia-if-unchecked

Not exactly my secessionist friend.

"If abuse of power is not impeachable ... Trump could offer Alaska to the Russians in exchange for support in the next election or decide to move to Mar-a-Lago permanently and let Jared Kushner run the country, delegating to him the decision whether to go to war," Schiff said. "Because those things are not necessarily criminal, this argument would allow that he could not be impeached for such abuses of power. Of course, this would be absurd. More than absurd, it would be dangerous."

After all his own defender said if Trump thought it was in the country’s best interest it was just fine.

[Willow]

... Much of the stuff I read here feels like I'm living in an alternate reality. ...

But, yes, you are living in an alternate universe.  I'm pleased that some of our folks were able to help you to discover and deal with that.   

[phideux]

Good example of just how bat-spit insane the other side is - Schiff's closing arguments intimated that if President Trump wasn't removed he could give Alaska back to Russia.....

They've lost all connection to reality and should seek out some psychological help.



Edit to add source: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/schiff-warns-that-trump-could-sell-alaska-to-russia-if-unchecked

Not exactly my secessionist friend.

"If abuse of power is not impeachable ... Trump could offer Alaska to the Russians in exchange for support in the next election or decide to move to Mar-a-Lago permanently and let Jared Kushner run the country, delegating to him the decision whether to go to war," Schiff said. "Because those things are not necessarily criminal, this argument would allow that he could not be impeached for such abuses of power. Of course, this would be absurd. More than absurd, it would be dangerous."

After all his own defender said if Trump thought it was in the country’s best interest it was just fine.

If abuse of power is impeachable, how come a sitting vice president got away withholding foreign aide to Ukraine unless they fired the investigator that was checking out his corrupt son??

[f6john]

Good example of just how bat-spit insane the other side is - Schiff's closing arguments intimated that if President Trump wasn't removed he could give Alaska back to Russia.....

They've lost all connection to reality and should seek out some psychological help.,



Edit to add source: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/schiff-warns-that-trump-could-sell-alaska-to-russia-if-unchecked

Not exactly my secessionist friend.

"If abuse of power is not impeachable ... Trump could offer Alaska to the Russians in exchange for support in the next election or decide to move to Mar-a-Lago permanently and let Jared Kushner run the country, delegating to him the decision whether to go to war," Schiff said. "Because those things are not necessarily criminal, this argument would allow that he could not be impeached for such abuses of power. Of course, this would be absurd. More than absurd, it would be dangerous."

After all his own defender said if Trump thought it was in the country’s best interest it was just fine.

You’re really on to something! Their could be a lot of positives in your ideas. If you can’t drain the swamp in Washington, just move the Capitol to Mount Rushmore. Plenty of room to build a new White House and Congressional Chambers. Talk about infrastructure spending and jobs, with Trump at the helm it would undoubtedly come in under budget. Then he could take the savings from that and have the carving of his image on Mt Rushmore to begin. But he would keep Alaska and trade off California from the San Andreas fault line west.

[Serk]

Even though polling numbers have NOTHING to do with a trial or justice, doesn't it seem a little off that supposedly a majority of Americans want to see President Trump removed, but he's also pulling a 49% approval rating?

https://news.gallup.com/poll/284156/trump-job-approval-personal-best.aspx

(BTW, at the same point in His presidency, President Obama was only pulling a 46% approval rating, for comparison. Source - https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/04/politics/donald-trump-gallup-poll/index.html )