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« Reply #40 on: April 13, 2020, 07:58:01 AM »


We're in it together.



Olive leaf extract is rich in antimicrobial properties and inhibits the growth of certain foodborne pathogens including listeria, E. coli, and salmonella. This helps give the immune a boost and protect against a variety of viral, fungal and bacterial infections as well as foodborne pathogens.



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« Reply #41 on: April 13, 2020, 08:13:55 AM »


https://vigilantcitizen.com/vigilantreport/covid-19-lockdown-a-global-human-experiment/

No matter what’s the origin of COVID-19, the response to this virus lead to a series of drastic and unprecedented changes on a global level. The dystopian future is now.

The threat of a deadly pandemic is the perfect context to introduce aggressive police state tactics. People are scared and they want to see decisive measures taken by their government. However, once this is all said and done, will society recover 100% of its freedoms? Or will it gradually go back to about 50%, celebrating each percent as a victory?


http://stateofthenation.co/?p=7673

CORONAVIRUS BIOWEAPON MYSTERY SOLVED: It’s all in the name!


https://prepareforchange.net/2020/02/16/staged-coronavirus-pandemic-an-international-criminal-conspiracy-of-epic-proportions/


Chemtrails and 5G?  Ya gotta be pulling our collective leg, 98.


5G, learn

The World Health Organization classified RF Radiation as a possible “carcinogenic” in 2011. And there are literally hundreds of peer reviewed scientific studies linking “non-ionizing” RF Radiation to things like cancer, crib death, DNA damage (especially in infants and fetuses) and male infertility.

https://www.radiationhealthrisks.com/5g-radiation-dangers/
https://www.radiationhealthrisks.com/scientific-studies/
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« Reply #42 on: April 13, 2020, 08:35:06 AM »

https://techstartups.com/2020/04/12/public-health-officials-mislead-us-coronavirus-not-major-threat-people-united-states-not-something-citizens-worried-dr-fauci-said-janu/


many doctors have the god complex fauci does along with short man disease. fauci and birx gave us the HIV panic in the '80s, they and their buddies made millions in research money while ignoring more widespread diseases.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/03/anthony_fauci_the_nihs_face_of_the_coronavirus_is_a_deepstate_hillary_clintonloving_stooge.html#.XnYO5Z8RvOg.facebook
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« Reply #43 on: April 13, 2020, 08:35:12 AM »

OK, OK, 5g bad.  It didn't cause or nor does it exacerbate the spread or virulence of COVID-19.  The virus was not engineered to propagate 5g.  THAT'S the kind of conspiracy theory hogwash that doesn't bring about meaningful conversation.
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« Reply #44 on: April 13, 2020, 08:44:20 AM »


Yeah, don’t listen to doctors. They’re just in it for the money.

Instead, listen to some guy on a motorcycle forum who has access to google and can find an article that supports whatever idea he has. His sources may not appear to be credible but that’s just because everything else is fake news.  He’s really smart. Just look up his positions on vaccinations and 5G. We’re so fortunate to be educated in the REAL truth.
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« Reply #45 on: April 13, 2020, 09:47:03 AM »


We're in it together.


olive leaf extract. 
https://draxe.com/nutrition/olive-leaf-benefits/

7. Kills Bacteria and Fungi

An important olive leaf benefit is its ability to fight off infections, including candida infections, meningitis, pneumonia, chronic fatigue, hepatitis B, malaria, gonorrhea, shingles and tuberculosis. It also naturally treats ear, dental and urinary tract infections.

A study done in 2003 proved that olive leave extracts have an antimicrobial effect against bacteria and fungi. This suggests that olive leaf works as a natural antibiotic, due to it’s ability to fight some bacterial infections. In the study, the olive leaf extracts killed almost all bacteria tested, including dermatophytes (causing infections on the skin, hair and nails), candida albicans (an agent of oral and genital infections) and Escherichia coli cells (bacteria found in the lower intestine).

And a 2017 study found that olive leaf extract works as an antimicrobial agent that controls foodborne pathogens, including E. coli and salmonella.
8. Boosts Immune System

The olive leaf has antiviral properties, giving it the ability to fight or prevent the common cold, as well as treat dangerous viruses. Research shows that olive leaf extracts effectively fight against a number of disease-causing microbes, including some of the viruses that cause influenza and other respiratory infections.

The powerful compounds found in olive leaves destroy invading organisms and don’t allow viruses to replicate and cause an infection. In fact, the olive leaf is so beneficial to our health that treatment with olive leaf extracts reversed many HIV-1 infection-associated changes in a study done at the New York University School of Medicine.

And a 2019 study found that when olive leaf extract was given to high school athletes for nine weeks during their competitive season, there was a significant 28 percent reduction in sick days taken by those supplementing with olive leaf.
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« Reply #46 on: April 13, 2020, 09:59:15 AM »

fauci and soros together.  fauci pushed the HIV panic and made millions

https://gellerreport.com/2020/04/deep-state-fauci.html/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

In 1986, Duesberg was invited to join the National Academy of Sciences and mentioned as possible candidate for a Nobel Prize. In 1987, Duesberg wrote “Retroviruses as Carcinogens and Pathogens: Expectations and Reality,’’ contending that HIV was not the primary cause of AIDS and not even a contributing factor. The molecular biologist also saw a role for lifestyle and behavioral factors such as intravenous drugs and the amyl and butyl nitrite inhalers. That put Duesberg at odds with Dr. Anthony Fauci, who was not a virologist.

Fauci earned his MD from Cornell and was appointed director of NIAID in 1984. On his watch, NIAID became the largest funder of what is now called HIV/AIDS. Fauci testified to Congress, as Jon Cohen noted in Science, “often about the HIV/AIDS budget and other issues related to the epidemic.”

Scientists who questioned the official cause of AIDS included Kary Mullis, winner of the Nobel Prize in chemistry for discovery of the polymerase chain reaction (PCR). In the foreword to Duesberg’s Inventing the AIDS Virus, Mullis wrote, “We have not been able to find a good reason why most of the people believe that AIDS is caused by a virus called HIV. There is simply no scientific evidence demonstrating that is true.”

Virology is a science, but instead of debate the NIAID boss opted for denunciation. After listening to Duesberg, Fauci said, “This is murder. It’s really just that simple,” not exactly a nuanced statement. As Phillip Boffey noted in the New York Times, no scientist involved in AIDS had provided a detailed response to Duesberg. In 2010, the UC Berkeley professor became the target of a misconduct investigation, Greg Miller of  Science Insider reports, possibly initiated by an AIDS activist. Duesberg survived, and his work never got the attention it deserved.

Though no longer of epidemic proportions, “HIV/AIDS” has bulked up federal bureaucracies such as the Centers for Disease Control. Meanwhile, Anthony Fauci has held sway at NIAID for 36 years. Like other denizens of the deep state, Fauci remains in power as politicians move in and out of office. If those at risk for coronavirus thought Fauci has been around too long it would be hard to blame them.

As Angelo Codevilla notes, intelligent decisions on countermeasures require hard data, but doctors such as Anthony Fauci have been “scaring the hell out of people and watching curves based on projections based on meaningless numbers.” As Codevilla explains, “The most important fact about COVID-19, its true mortality rate, is the number who die of the virus divided by the number infected by it. No algorithms. Simple arithmetic.” None of that for Fauci, who has taken up coronavirus prophecy.

“Would this possibly become a seasonal cyclic thing? I’ve always indicated to you that I think it very well might,” Fauci said on March 25. Cases were appearing in the southern hemisphere as they go into winter and if they have an outbreak, it would be “inevitable” that the United States would too.

Where did the NIAID boss get that idea? Stay tuned.

more/other
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/faucis-many-mistakes-lies-nih-director-said-one-thing-weeks-months-ago-today-tries-blame-president-trump-video/

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« Reply #47 on: April 13, 2020, 11:09:53 AM »

Okay, bottom line for me:
This is all at "nuclear" level of crazy.
Ya... "Chyna" let 'er rip and in collusion with the WHO, covered it up, but the global reaction is the real pandemic, and will kill more people than Covid-19.

I agree with this statement.  And I would add the ease with which we, as American's, so quickly gave up our liberties and the future result of the acceptance of the loss of those liberties  

It begs the question, which is difficult to answer.  What is one life saved worth if it negates the liberties that we have fought for  in wars over many years?  

My father served in US Marines in WWII, if he had died during this war, I and my brother and sister would not be here.  

I served in the US Navy during the Viet Nam war.  If I had died, my two daughters would not be here nor would my grandson.  

One life is worth a lot but.....  but what about those freedoms we say are granted to us by our Creator in the Declaration of Independence.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed…"




What is one life worth?

That is one of the hardest questions to answer that exists.

I value my own life but I value the lives of my wife and grand daughter more.

The Bible teaches that "All" are equal in God's Eyes, yet we humans tend to rank the value of people's lives.


I can't answer the question of how much an individual life is worth.

I do know that many more lives will be destroyed and ultimately lost if our economy is allowed to totally collapse than the Corona Virus would've taken.

Even if was allowed to run it's course totally unchecked.


So, at some point we have to decide what is the break even point.

The point where if the economy stays shut down the cure will cost more lives than the disease.

I certainly don't envy President Trump right now.

He is and has been in a cursed if you do cursed if you don't situation from the start.

As the death toll rises he is blamed for not acting quicker.

Even though he was called a racist for his earliest actions by the same people who now say he didn't act soon enough.

If the death toll winds up being significantly lower than initial predictions he will be criticized for overreacting.


Some are predicting that the current restrictions could stay in place for 18 months or longer.

Our economy would take a generation or more to recover from that.

The lives lost to poverty could be in the 10's of millions.


Maybe, a Common Sense (which isn't very common) approach would be to open the economy back up with those at high risk of serious complications being highly encouraged to self isolate.

Also, anyone diagnosed with it must be quarantined for a minimum of 14 days.

I'm sure that there are other common sense things that could be done to minimize the risk of infections as well.

The truth is that the Government cannot protect us from this.

The truth also is that more people will die as a result of a total economic collapse than they ever will of Covid-19.


Again, I don't envy our leaders especially President Trump.

The decisions that must be made are the biggest "Catch 22" that any leader has ever faced.

  
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« Reply #48 on: April 13, 2020, 12:00:08 PM »

I think that is an excellent analysis Mark, all the way around.    cooldude

A tornado of a worldwide issue, that spins off in all directions (medical, scientific, political, economic, human nature, fundamental freedoms). 

We all want the best for everyone..... but how exactly do we get there? 

I'm afraid there's no exactly to it.   
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« Reply #49 on: April 13, 2020, 12:17:00 PM »

I also agree with everything said, with one exception.  Nobody knows how many lives would be lost if it had been allowed to run its course totally unchecked.

But yeah, we've go is get the economic engine running again ASAP.
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« Reply #50 on: April 13, 2020, 12:49:02 PM »

I also agree with everything said, with one exception.  Nobody knows how many lives would be lost if it had been allowed to run its course totally unchecked.

But yeah, we've go is get the economic engine running again ASAP.


It's true that we don't/can't know the exact #.

I'm simply hypothesizing that years of profound worldwide poverty would have a much more devastating effect than this virus would.
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« Reply #51 on: April 13, 2020, 12:55:03 PM »

I also agree with everything said, with one exception.  Nobody knows how many lives would be lost if it had been allowed to run its course totally unchecked.

But yeah, we've go is get the economic engine running again ASAP.


It's true that we don't/can't know the exact #.

I'm simply hypothesizing that years of profound worldwide poverty would have a much more devastating effect than this virus would.

And you may very well be right!   cooldude
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« Reply #52 on: April 13, 2020, 02:24:43 PM »

Dr. SHIVA Ayyadurai, MIT PhD Crushes Dr. Fauci Exposes Birx, Clintons, Bill Gates, And The W.H.O

exposes big pharma that the only way to stay healthy is via vaccines.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjjybyJ59Lw&feature=youtu.be
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« Reply #53 on: April 13, 2020, 05:32:00 PM »

Dr.SHIVA: DEEP STATE Feeds Off Fear & Over-Reactive Immune & Economic Systems

healthy Immune system will keep one healthy and virus free.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1sdj5eH_VE
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« Reply #54 on: April 13, 2020, 05:36:40 PM »

Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai - Truth about Corona Virus

Massachusetts Institute of Technology (BS, MS, MEng, PhD)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBfJuwZLgFM
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« Reply #55 on: April 13, 2020, 06:31:52 PM »

I did not read the Links the 98Valk posted but I was thinking and yes I know....

I was taught (taught may not be the correct word) that if a human was brought up in a "glass bubble" and then, at some later date, released into the normal human population that human would have a high possibility of dieing from the simplest of diseases due to lack of immunity.

I believe the same issue has been hypothesized about humans growing up, say on a space station or on the moon or maybe even Mars.  They could never ever return home if they were born in space or another planet.

Not only would they not have natural immunities to so many of this world's diseases, they might well bring new and frightening diseases back to mother earth.  And yes they could receive all manner of vaccinations prior to landing on mother earth but, it could never, ever replicate the herd immunity we have. 

So it is with the corona-19 virus is it not.  We might well develop a vaccine but, as we all know, it is highly unlikely such a vaccine will be 100% effective.  So, the only way to beat the Corona-19 virus will be "herd immunity".  Herd Immunity requires that we socialize does it not?

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« Reply #56 on: April 13, 2020, 06:52:57 PM »

Which is the best option, lockdown or herd immunity? We're about to find out

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/13/people-work-lockdown-herd-immunity-debate-coronavirus
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« Reply #57 on: April 14, 2020, 06:07:40 AM »

So far, according to the official data from both countries, the approach taken in the UK of keeping people in their homes and closing down huge swathes of the economy, has not had any more positive effect on reducing Covid-19 cases or deaths than the Swedish approach. Yet it will put millions out of work, it will destroy thousands of businesses, it will lead to a massive deterioration of mental health, it will lead to an increase in suicides, it will lead to old people dying on their own without their carers, and it already has led to an increase of state power on a scale never seen before. There is that!

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/comparison-lockdown-uk-non-lockdown-sweden


Charity group Oxfam has warned that a global recession caused by Covid-19 could push an extra half a billion people into poverty - 8 percent of the world's population - unless urgent action is taken.

Conducted by King’s College London and the Australian National University, the research gauged the short-term impact of containing the coronavirus on global monetary poverty based on the World Bank poverty lines of $1.90, $3.20 and $5.50 a day.
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« Reply #58 on: April 14, 2020, 06:59:32 AM »

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


Recovered:
459,131


1,307,293 (96%)
in Mild Condition
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« Reply #59 on: April 14, 2020, 07:19:29 AM »

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


Recovered:
459,131

Dead:
121,710

1,307,293 (96%)
in Mild Condition
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« Reply #60 on: April 14, 2020, 07:39:36 AM »

So far, according to the official data from both countries, the approach taken in the UK of keeping people in their homes and closing down huge swathes of the economy, has not had any more positive effect on reducing Covid-19 cases or deaths than the Swedish approach. Yet it will put millions out of work, it will destroy thousands of businesses, it will lead to a massive deterioration of mental health, it will lead to an increase in suicides, it will lead to old people dying on their own without their carers, and it already has led to an increase of state power on a scale never seen before. There is that!

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/comparison-lockdown-uk-non-lockdown-sweden


Charity group Oxfam has warned that a global recession caused by Covid-19 could push an extra half a billion people into poverty - 8 percent of the world's population - unless urgent action is taken.

Conducted by King’s College London and the Australian National University, the research gauged the short-term impact of containing the coronavirus on global monetary poverty based on the World Bank poverty lines of $1.90, $3.20 and $5.50 a day.


Interesting stats to be sure.

I especially like that they compared stats per million in pop.

This makes it more apples to apples.

Just saw where a Democrat Congresswoman has introduced a bill that would require medical supplies bought by the government to be made in the USA.

Imagine that!

People should take protective measures for some time to come.

Diligent hand washing and disinfecting common surfaces frequently. 

Maybe, once we have enough masks, gowns etc. we can re-open the economy with restrictions requiring people to wear masks in public places.

I use to chuckle at the people who were wiping down shopping carts before using them.

Well, I'm now doing it religiously and probably will continue doing so for awhile.

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« Reply #61 on: April 14, 2020, 07:48:01 AM »

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-coronavirus-deaths-sweden.html

A group of 22 doctors, virologists and researchers criticised the Public Health Agency in an op-ed published by Dagens Nyheter newspaper on Tuesday.

They accused it of having failed to draw up a proper strategy, pointing out that the mortality rate in Sweden was now way above that of its Nordic neighbours.

"So in Sweden more than 10 times as many people are dying than in our neighbouring country Finland," they wrote while stressing a number of more aggressive measures taken in Finland.

https://www.thenational.ae/world/europe/coronavirus-sweden-s-per-capita-death-toll-tops-region-amid-low-scale-lockdown-1.1005486

Proportionally, for weeks Sweden and Denmark remained similar in terms of Covid-19 cases and fatalities. Now, however, Sweden’s mortality rate reached more than 88 dead per million, compared with about 47 dead per million in Denmark.

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« Reply #62 on: April 14, 2020, 07:56:03 AM »

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


Recovered:
459,131

Dead:
121,710

1,307,293 (96%)
in Mild Condition


 16,823,617  Deaths this year worldwide.

and we know per CDC guidance people are dying from other causes, yet if they test positive and again with flawed testing per CDC, they list the death as c-19 even if they had zero symptoms.
so the dead from C-19 is highly flawed.
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« Reply #63 on: April 14, 2020, 01:24:46 PM »

so shut down a country destroy many lives and families for 25k dead based on skewed numbers by the CDC, yet twice that amount have died from the flu this season. And how many deaths recorded for C19 where from the Flu. CDC tells doctors to record all deaths c-19.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

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« Reply #64 on: April 14, 2020, 05:33:40 PM »

Stanford epidemiologist who warned about bad COVID data finds low fatality rate even in ‘hotbeds’
Stanford University epidemiologist John Ioannidis (above), who blew the whistle on the bad data being used to justify coronavirus crackdowns on daily life, has new research with his colleagues at Stanford Medical School.

But when factoring in underlying predisposing conditions, the numbers change dramatically: Those under 65 without such conditions account for 0.3 percent of deaths in the Netherlands, 0.7 percent in Italy, and 1. 8 percent in New York City.

The researchers conclude those under 65 have “very small risks of COVID-19 death even in the hotbeds of the pandemic,” and deaths for those without underlying conditions are “remarkably uncommon.” The researchers recommend moving away from one-size-fits-all lockdown policies and focusing on “protecting high-risk elderly individuals.”

Echoing increasing concerns about COVID-19’s deadliness for marginalized populations, the paper notes the higher under-65 death rates in New York City, Louisiana and Michigan compared to Washington state and the eight European countries. This may reflect “unfavorable socioeconomic circumstances” for those three locations:

    [P]reliminary data show that deaths cluster in areas with high levels of poverty and underprivileged populations. If this early observation gets validated, this may signify that COVID-19 is yet another disease with a profile dependent on inequalities. Of interest, influenza deaths seem to have a similar difference in age distribution between the USA and European countries … Of course, a major difference between influenza and COVID-19 is that the latter does not cause deaths in children, in contrast to influenza.
https://www.thecollegefix.com/stanford-epidemiologist-who-warned-about-bad-covid-data-finds-low-fatality-rate-even-in-hotbeds/
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« Reply #65 on: April 14, 2020, 05:47:31 PM »

A lower than expected fatality rate is a very good thing!  Now lets get a vaccine.
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« Reply #66 on: April 14, 2020, 06:42:01 PM »

A lower than expected fatality rate is a very good thing!  Now lets get a vaccine.

vaccines are garbage and will kill and injure more people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td8zjPUVLcA
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« Reply #67 on: April 14, 2020, 06:48:51 PM »

A lower than expected fatality rate is a very good thing!  Now lets get a vaccine.

vaccines are garbage and will kill and injure more people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td8zjPUVLcA

I try to be accepting and polite to all and consider all my friend, but.....  shut up.

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« Reply #68 on: April 14, 2020, 06:55:26 PM »

A lower than expected fatality rate is a very good thing!  Now lets get a vaccine.

vaccines are garbage and will kill and injure more people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td8zjPUVLcA

I try to be accepting and polite to all and consider all my friend, but.....  shut up.

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I think you are doing admirably. Myself, I had to put him on ignore for my own sanity some time back.
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« Reply #69 on: April 14, 2020, 07:52:06 PM »

A lower than expected fatality rate is a very good thing!  Now lets get a vaccine.

vaccines are garbage and will kill and injure more people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td8zjPUVLcA

I try to be accepting and polite to all and consider all my friend, but.....  shut up.

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I 100% agree with Serk. STFU
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« Reply #70 on: April 15, 2020, 06:09:16 AM »

https://townhall.com/columnists/johnrlottjr/2020/04/15/headlines-around-the-world-say-the-u-s-has-the-highest-number-of-coronavirus-dea-n2566941

Headlines Around the World Say the U.S. Has the Problem with Coronavirus Deaths But the Data Says Otherwise
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« Reply #71 on: April 15, 2020, 06:35:33 AM »

One wonders if other countries are being honest on their CV19 numbers. For that matter, for ours to be so high, are WE ?
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« Reply #72 on: April 15, 2020, 06:46:34 AM »

https://www.thecollegefix.com/israeli-prof-coronavirus-crisis-may-be-over-in-a-few-weeks-with-or-without-lockdowns/

Israeli prof: Coronavirus crisis may be over in a few weeks, with or without lockdowns

Yet another professor is offering a glimmer of hope amid a sea of doom-crying reports on the coronavirus pandemic, claiming that the outbreak may be over in just a few weeks, regardless of what any one country does regarding lockdowns and shelter-in-place directives.

Isaac Ben-Israel, head of the Security Studies program at Tel Aviv University, told Israel National News this week that simple observation of the virus’s global behavior indicates that it follows a simple pattern of rising infection and hospitalization rates that eventually level off nearly as quickly as they come.

This holds true whether or not a country has instituted lockdowns, as have many nations across the globe, or if they remained largely open, as is the case in Singapore, Sweden and numerous others.
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« Reply #73 on: April 15, 2020, 06:57:36 AM »

If this does not make you think then nothing will.


The results of our first scenario planning exercise demonstrate a provocative and
engaging exploration of the role of technology and the future of globalization,
as you will see in the following pages. This report is crucial reading for anyone
interested in creatively considering the multiple, divergent ways in which our world
could evolve.

LOCK STEP
Scenario Narratives A world of tighter top-down government control and more
authoritarian leadership, with limited innovation and growing
citizen pushback

During the pandemic, national leaders around the world flexed their authority and imposed airtight rules and restrictions, from the mandatory wearing of face masks to body-temperature checks at the entries
to communal spaces like train stations and supermarkets. Even after the pandemic faded,
this more authoritarian control and oversight of citizens and their activities stuck and even
intensified. In order to protect themselves from the spread of increasingly global problems —   from
pandemics and transnational terrorism to environmental crises and rising poverty
—   leaders
around the world took a firmer grip on power.At first, the notion of a more controlled world
gained wide acceptance and approval. Citizens willingly gave up some of their sovereignty
—   and
their privacy —   to more paternalistic states in exchange for greater safety and stability.
Citizens were more tolerant, and even eager, for top-down direction and oversight, and national
leaders had more latitude to impose order in the ways they saw fit. In developed countries, this
heightened oversight took many forms: biometric IDs for all citizens, for example, and tighter
regulation of key industries whose stability was deemed vital to national interests. In many
developed countries, enforced cooperation with a suite of new regulations and agreements slowly
but steadily restored both order and, importantly, economic growth.Across the developing world, however, the
story was different
—   and much more variable. Top-down authority took different forms
in different countries, hinging largely on the capacity, caliber, and intentions of their
leaders. In countries with strong and thoughtful leaders, citizens’ overall economic status
and quality of life increased. In India, for example, air quality drastically improved after
2016, when the government outlawed high-emitting vehicles. In Ghana, the introduction
of ambitious government programs to improve basic infrastructure and ensure the availability
of clean water for all her people led to a sharp decline in water-borne diseases.

By 2025, people seemed to be growing weary of so much top-down control and letting leaders
and authorities make choices for them. Wherever national interests clashed with
individual interests, there was conflict. Sporadic pushback became increasingly organized and
coordinated, as disaffected youth and people who had seen their status and opportunities slip
away —   largely in developing countries —   incited civil unrest.

Technology trends and applications we might see:

Scanners using advanced functional magnetic resonance imaging (f MRI)
technology become the norm at airports and other public areas to detect
abnormal behavior that may indicate “antisocial intent.”

In the aftermath of pandemic scares, smarter packaging for food and beverages
is applied first by big companies and producers in a business-to-business
environment, and then adopted for individual products and consumers.

New diagnostics are developed to detect communicable diseases. The
application of health screening also changes; screening becomes a prerequisite
for release from a hospital or prison, successfully slowing the spread of many
diseases.

Tele-presence technologies respond to the demand for less expensive, lower-
bandwidth, sophisticated communications systems for populations whose travel
is restricted.

Driven by protectionism and national security concerns, nations create their
own independent, regionally defined IT networks, mimicking China’s firewalls.
Governments have varying degrees of success in policing internet traffic, but
these efforts nevertheless fracture the “World Wide” Web


This report was produced by
The Rockefeller Foundation
and Global Business Network.
May 2010

https://www.nommeraadio.ee/meedia/pdf/RRS/Rockefeller%20Foundation.pdf

Next article:

The World Population Plan of Action is not self-enforcing and will require vigorous
efforts by interested countries, U.N. agencies and other international bodies to make it effective.
U.S. leadership is essential. The strategy must include the following elements and actions

National Security Study Memorandum
NSSM 200
Implications of Worldwide Population Growth
For U.S.  Security and Overseas Interests
(THE KISSINGER REPORT)
December 10, 1974
CLASSIFIED BY Harry C. Blaney, III
SUBJECT TO GENERAL DECLASSIFICATION SCHEDULE
OF EXECUTIVE ORDER 11652 AUTOMATICALLY DOWN-
GRADED AT TWO YEAR INTERVALS AND DECLASSIFIED
ON DECEMBER 31, 1980.
This document can only be declassified by the White House

THE KISSINGER REPORT
https://pdf.usaid.gov/pdf_docs/PCAAB500.pdf

Patent for Ebola
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/e9/00/32/2dd98822a1250e/CA2741523A1.pdf

The Rockefeller Foundation
https://www.nommeraadio.ee/meedia/pdf/RRS/Rockefeller%20Foundation.pdf
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« Reply #74 on: April 15, 2020, 09:00:49 AM »

I don't care what's going on - I'm going out for some wind therapy this afternoon.
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« Reply #75 on: April 15, 2020, 09:20:04 AM »

If this does not make you think then nothing will.
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Wow!  It doesn't make me think as I'm not willing to read that much.   Shocked
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« Reply #76 on: April 15, 2020, 09:22:26 AM »

https://www.thecollegefix.com/israeli-prof-coronavirus-crisis-may-be-over-in-a-few-weeks-with-or-without-lockdowns/

Israeli prof: Coronavirus crisis may be over in a few weeks, with or without lockdowns

Yet another professor is offering a glimmer of hope amid a sea of doom-crying reports on the coronavirus pandemic, claiming that the outbreak may be over in just a few weeks, regardless of what any one country does regarding lockdowns and shelter-in-place directives.



Sounds like a done deal!  

Damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead!    coolsmiley
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« Reply #77 on: April 15, 2020, 07:25:56 PM »

Amazing and disgusting. There were reports out yrs ago I read that stated there were plans to build a DNA data base of all Americans which is part of a national ID card tracking system.
just doing the nose swab they have been doing, I believe they were collecting DNA then also.
Will this also be an ID card just to work like w.h.o. and fauci have been pushing for?
Well here we are. and fine Americans still don't see this as a planned event.  UN 21 and 2030 Agendas.
an early forerunner

Revelation 13:16-17   
And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.


https://www.marketwatch.com/story/wheels-are-in-motion-for-widespread-coronavirus-antibody-testing-in-new-york-2020-04-15?mod=home-page

Data compiled from the tests
But there also has to be a way to register, confirm and keep track of the data from those tests, he added.
Epstein cited a system in Germany that uses an I.D. card to register and verify immunity, but said he had not heard of such a system being developed yet in the U.S. The New York State Health Department did not immediately respond to requests for comment on how they will track the data.

Performing widespread tests have been touted as a key component to restarting the economy.
“The more testing, the more open the economy,” he said in his daily news conference on Wednesday.
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« Reply #78 on: April 15, 2020, 07:32:36 PM »

Amazing and disgusting. There were reports out yrs ago I read that stated there were plans to build a DNA data base of all Americans which is part of a national ID card tracking system.
just doing the nose swab they have been doing, I believe they were collecting DNA then also.
Will this also be an ID card just to work like w.h.o. and fauci have been pushing for?
Well here we are. and fine Americans still don't see this as a planned event.  UN 21 and 2030 Agendas.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/wheels-are-in-motion-for-widespread-coronavirus-antibody-testing-in-new-york-2020-04-15?mod=home-page



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« Reply #79 on: April 15, 2020, 08:14:34 PM »

https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-paves-way-for-new-age-of-digital-surveillance-11586963028


Would you give up health or location data to return to work?
amazing guy says he could kill somebody. u can kill somebody giving them the flu. healthy people recover or almost have mild or almost no symptoms from c-19
https://apnews.com/7f420983dfca013baf0914714c95272a

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/how-google-and-apples-new-coronavirus-tracing-could-turn-people-into-pariahs-201733674.html

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/04/15/fever-surveillance-become-common-cctv/

funny I read a medical article a month ago that the 98.6F is from 150 yrs ago by a german doctor that just took temps of people and came up with an avg. In all of this time there was never any testing to verify his findings. Now there is some modern day research showing that 98.6F is not the norm.

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