Understanding the dynamic

[Robert]

This is what MLK jr said long time ago 
“Certain conditions continue to exist in our society, which must be condemned as vigorously as we condemn riots. But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality and humanity. And so in a real sense our nation’s summers of riots are caused by our nation’s winters of delay. And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again. Social justice and progress are the absolute guarantors of riot prevention”
MLK Jr. 1966

Wow, what great words to bad some of it just is an outright falsehood.

[Steve K (IA)]

And it didnt take long for Maxine to say this is President Trumps fault

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nl00N6I5Ak

[Robert]

CNN's Van Jones Says Secretly Racist 'White Liberal Hillary Clinton Supporters' Are The Real Threat To Black America

CNN's Van Jones, who correctly surmised that Russiagate was a nothingburger, has caused progressives to bristle once again after he said that White, liberal Hillary Clinton supporters can pose a greater threat to blacks in America than the Ku Klux Klan.

[Valkorado]

Watching the TeleVee, riots everywhere in our nation.  New Police Chief in Denver has told officers to stand down.  They are making justifiable arrests, but they are getting pelted with bottles and rocks. Dumpsters and vehicles ablaze.  The Capitol building tagged with graffiti including the anarchy symbol.  State Supreme Court building vandalized. It continues onto the wee hours...

Local media talking heads keep referring to these folks as a demonstrators.  Nay.  Call a spade a spade.  These are lawless opportunists at best.

[F6Dave]

Former Democrats for Trump

@YoungDems4Trump

May 28

Minneapolis:

• Democrat governor
• Democrat Secretary of State
• Democrat State Auditor
• Democrat Sr US Senator
• Democrat Jr US Senator
• Democrat Reps 5 / Republicans 3
• Democrat Mayor
• Democrat AG
• Democrat Police Chief
• 2016 General Elections - Voted Democrat

To most of the fine Americans these are just inconvenient facts.  Their masters told them it's all Trump's fault, and that't that.  But I wonder if a few MSP residents are looking at the burned rubble and thinking it might be time for a change.  Some of their neighboring states tried it with good results.

[Robert]

Did a little research on the mayor and looked into the policies that were in place at the time. He has changed Minneapolis in many ways and made in much more affordable and removed the limits on housing along with not supporting the police.

Now this happens and he failed in his response and someone had to come in and take it over.


So do you think the mayor is partly responsible for creating an atmosphere for this to happen? We are blaming the officers but I wonder what goes down in this part of town when no one is looking. I wonder if the officers feel they had the support of the city?

The mayors thinking is shown by his own words in the last paragraph, and by saying this did he stoke the fire of riots and should be held responsible?

There is nothing wrong with helping the disadvantaged but understand what you are doing when you do this and do not destroy others lives. So to me it sounds like Frey is taking a once family town and turning it into a urban area without understanding or feeling the all sides of the policy changes. He is also not putting proper security in place.



Democratic, mayor Jacob Frey.


As a City Council member, Frey focused on affordable housing, environmental policy, workplace regulations, and voting access. He authored an amendment to the 2015 budget that increased funding for the city’s Affordable Housing Trust Fund.

In 2016, Frey authored an ordinance requiring polluters to pay fees based on the amount of pollution they produce. The fees are used to support green business improvements. Since the program’s launch, emissions linked to climate change have declined substantially. Frey and the City of Minneapolis were honored at the 2018

Frey has been active in community organizing since moving to Minneapolis.

 After a tornado struck North Minneapolis in 2011, Frey provided legal services to tenants who lost their homes. In 2012, before running for elected office, Frey founded and organized the first Big Gay Race, a 5K charity race to raise money for Minnesotans United for All Families, a political group organizing for marriage equality.

Frey is Minneapolis's second Jewish mayor, and its second-youngest after Al Hofstede, who was 34 when he was elected mayor in 1973. He campaigned on a platform of increasing support for affordable housing and improving police-community relations.

Frey rolled out reforms to the Minneapolis Police Department’s body camera policy in April 2018. The changes tied non-compliance to stricter disciplinary consequences for the first time. Following the changes, officer compliance with the body camera policy reached record highs.

The first budget Frey authored as mayor focused heavily on affordable housing. Its $40 million allocation to affordable housing was triple what the city previously spent on affordable housing.

As mayor, Frey is pushing for a plan that would allow the building of four-plexes in every part of the city. Two-thirds of Minneapolis is zoned exclusively for single-family homes.

In 2018, the Minneapolis City Council voted for Minneapolis 2040, a comprehensive rezoning reform plan. According to Slate, the plan would "permit three-family homes in the city’s residential neighborhoods, abolish parking minimums for all new construction, and allow high-density buildings along transit corridors. Slate wrote that by implementing the plan, "Minneapolis will become the first major U.S. city to end single-family home zoning, a policy that has done as much as any to entrench segregation, high housing costs, and sprawl as the American urban paradigm over the past century.

On May 27, 2020, Frey backed the firing of four police officers involved in the death of an unarmed black man, George Floyd, saying, "Being black in America should not be a death sentence. For five minutes we watched as a white police officer pressed his knee into the neck of a black man. For five minutes. When you hear someone calling for help, you are supposed to help."The next day, Frey called for criminal charges to be filed against Derek Chauvin, the arresting officer who pressed his knee on Floyd's neck. Chauvin was later charged with third-degree murder.

[LTD]

very interesting I see a whole lot of angry white people in these protests I find that very bizarre.

[Chrisj CMA]

very interesting I see a whole lot of angry white people in these protests I find that very bizarre.

They are paid protesters. It’s not all anger at racial injustice much is just plain greed and the chance to practice lawlessness

[LTD]

NOw that does make sense.

[Robert]

This is very sad and shows the real cost of the riots. I hope they hold the mayor responsible.

Black Firefighter Spent His Life Savings To Open A Bar. Then Minneapolis Looters Burned It Down

“I don’t know what we’re going to do,” Korboi Balla told CBS News on Thursday morning while holding back tears. “It hurts, man. It’s not fair, it’s not right. We’ve been working so hard for this place. It’s not just for me, it’s for my family.”

“I’m hearing people say F*** the business they have insurance WELL WE DON’T AND THIS IS ALL OUT OF POCKET,” Twyana Balla wrote. “Let someone come run in your home and loot for the cause then let’s see you be ok with it!”

Balla launched a GoFundMe campaign on Thursday to raise funds to rebuild his bar. The crowdfunding campaign has brought in over $173,000 for the small business owner in its first 24 hours.

https://dailycaller.com/2020/05/29/looters-minneapolis-george-floyd-firefighter-bar/

[..]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8372847/Black-Lives-Matter-protesters-streets-London.html

[..]

She got voted in???

I guess you can fool a lot of the people all of the time.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2020/05/30/mayor-lightfoot-on-trumps-tweet-on-riots-it-begins-with-an-f-and-ends-with-a-you-n466922

[..]

He got voted in???

I guess you can fool a lot of the people all of the time.


https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2020/05/30/mayor-frey-gives-masks-to-rioters-but-says-opening-churches-would-be-a-public-health-disaster-n465559

[Valkorado]

Keep yer pow-pow dry!   Things are getting serious.   The savages are on the rampage.   MY life matters!

[Oss]

son tells me there is rioting in Seattle

It is not a race thing, though some want it to seem that way

It is a class thing

Some people were raised to believe work is important and you do not get anything for free

Some people were raised to believe they are entitled to everything and can steal, rob kill


We have to make sure that our kids know the difference.  Treat everyone with respect
But if they try to steal from you, hurt your family or burn your house, you have a duty to put them down any way you can  

The barbarians are at the gate  who would believe it

In what world is it ok to break windows, to steal what is not yours and throw rocks at people you do not know.

[Bighead]

 

[Bighead]

son tells me there is rioting in Seattle

It is not a race thing, though some want it to seem that way

It is a class thing

Some people were raised to believe work is important and you do not get anything for free

Some people were raised to believe they are entitled to everything and can steal, rob kill


We have to make sure that our kids know the difference.  Treat everyone with respect
But if they try to steal from you, hurt your family or burn your house, you have a duty to put them down any way you can  

The barbarians are at the gate  who would believe it

In what world is it ok to break windows, to steal what is not yours and throw rocks at people you do not know.

+10

[old2soon]

son tells me there is rioting in Seattle

It is not a race thing, though some want it to seem that way

It is a class thing

Some people were raised to believe work is important and you do not get anything for free

Some people were raised to believe they are entitled to everything and can steal, rob kill


We have to make sure that our kids know the difference.  Treat everyone with respect
But if they try to steal from you, hurt your family or burn your house, you have a duty to put them down any way you can  

The barbarians are at the gate  who would believe it

In what world is it ok to break windows, to steal what is not yours and throw rocks at people you do not know.

                Well Evan My Friend here in Missouri I'm strapped in the house and strapped when ever I leave the house. Who ever "they" are may git me but some are paving the way for me. The Beauty of living in a relatively Free State.  I PRAY it NEVER comes to that But I WILL Protect me and mine. RIDE SAFE.

[Gavin_Sons]

Every last rioter and looter needs shot. Protest your little hearts out. When you become violent and start destroying what is not yours deadly force should be used. How are pallets of bricks just showing up in these cities? Someone is behind this. We need to find out who and charge them with terrorism and send them to the chair.

[Robert]

Something to remind everyone of

Police Are Not Obligated to Provide Protection

It is now a well-established legal principle in the United States that police officers and police departments are not legally responsible to refusing to intervene in cases where private citizens are in imminent danger or even in the process of being victimized.

The US Supreme Court has made it clear that law enforcement agencies are not required to provide protection to the citizens who are forced to pay for police services, year in and year out.

In cases of civil unrest, of course, be prepared to receive approximately nothing from police in terms of protecting property, or life and limb.

Officer Safety Comes First

During the Columbine school shootings in Colorado in 1999, the Sheriff department's "first responders" formed a perimeter outside the building and refused to enter because the situation was deemed too risky for law enforcement. Meanwhile, children were being slaughtered inside.

Who are the protesters?

Adam Leggat, a former British Army counterterrorism officer who now works as a security consultant specializing in crowd management for the Densus Group, said intelligence reports from his colleagues indicate most of the hard-core protesters in Minneapolis are far-left or anarchists, and that far-right groups have not yet made a significant appearance.

    "The real hard-core guys, this is their job: They're involved in this struggle, they need protests on the street to give them cover to move in.”

Additionally, Leggat said looting is typically done by locals – usually people with no criminal record who just get caught up in the moment. And despite claims otherwise by officials

Of the 45 people arrested for rioting, unlawful assembly, stolen property, burglary or robbery on May 29 and May 30 so far, 38 had Minnesota addresses, according to publicly available jail records reviewed by FOX 9. Only six had out-of-state address, and one person didn't have address information listed.

Don't believe us? A searchable jail roster is available online.

So why would officials lie? (Gov. Tim Walz said Saturday morning that as many as 80 percent of the people were outsiders.)

Because the narrative breaks wide open if this is just locals losing their crap... and in fact many Minneapolis residents appear to be growing weary of the violence and destruction, while still supporting peaceful protests.

[F6Dave]

son tells me there is rioting in Seattle

It is not a race thing, though some want it to seem that way

It is a class thing

Some people were raised to believe work is important and you do not get anything for free

Some people were raised to believe they are entitled to everything and can steal, rob kill


We have to make sure that our kids know the difference.  Treat everyone with respect
But if they try to steal from you, hurt your family or burn your house, you have a duty to put them down any way you can  

The barbarians are at the gate  who would believe it

In what world is it ok to break windows, to steal what is not yours and throw rocks at people you do not know.

Great post!

[f6john]

The news said this morning that there has been unrest in 30 cities across the country. Anybody believe that this is not being orchestrated by powerful people who want to change our country into their view of a new world order?

[Chrisj CMA]

The news said this morning that there has been unrest in 30 cities across the country. Anybody believe that this is not being orchestrated by powerful people who want to change our country into their view of a new world order?

There’s no doubt. But those who won’t see will disagree. However they will suffer the same fate as us if these terrorists succeed

[Valkorado]

I'm convinced it's orchestrated and planned.  And the orchestrators should be tarred and feathered in public.  I would pay good money to see Soros plumed in such a manner!

[Jersey mike]

Where is the line in the sand? Why is this 4 days in and governors and mayors are binding the hands of their officers? I’m not a huge proponent of cops, I’ve know enough of them to know they have a “it’s us against them” mentality and have witnessed a holier than thou attitude as well as “do as I say, not as I do” style.

On the flip side of that I understand the job they have to do, it’s a big responsibility and I do support law and order. Without law we’re not a nation of civility. Without mayors and governors having the backs and supporting the LEO”s safety it sends the wrong message. In all these cities LEO’s are severely out numbered, are being put at risk and have been injured. I see so many officers out there without riot gear, why is that. Does it send the wrong sign, a sign of we’re here for a confrontation or is there not enough gear for everyone?

The police are there to protect the people from harm and the property of the people. Rioters, looters and arsonists should be dealt with swiftly by whatever means necessary. Destruction of public and private property is not acceptable nor is physical harm to innocent citizens.

Where is the National Guard in each state and why aren’t they out on the streets in plain view? Pit them to use. Let them do their job and help with arrests and handle crowd control.

Where are the people who have lived through previous protests and riots who have witnessed the destruction of communities which have decades long impact on those communities. I wish there was a way for some of these people to speak up. Maybe the media should post photos of the aftermath of the destruction and show how long it takes for recovery to happen.

When I was growing up stories would be discussed about how Newark,N.J. in the late 1960’s and Asbury Park, N.J. in 1970 were beautiful towns and were destroyed. There are similar stories across the country like the Baltimore riots from just about 5-6 years ago which has yet to recover.

When reports stop depicting criminals or victims according to race and discuss them as people only is when real change in racial issues will change. Every time a person of color is in the news for one thing or another it’s reported with their color and race continually. If I was arrested I would not be an Italian/Irish white male, I would just be a man who committed a crime or was a victim. When people are seen as people and not according to skin color is when real progress will be made for race relations.

A line in the sand needs to be drawn, enough is enough with the riots, looting and vandalism.

[98valk]

Where is the line in the sand? Why is this 4 days in and governors and mayors are binding the hands of their officers? I’m not a huge proponent of cops, I’ve know enough of them to know they have a “it’s us against them” mentality and have witnessed a holier than thou attitude as well as “do as I say, not as I do” style.

On the flip side of that I understand the job they have to do, it’s a big responsibility and I do support law and order. Without law we’re not a nation of civility. Without mayors and governors having the backs and supporting the LEO”s safety it sends the wrong message. In all these cities LEO’s are severely out numbered, are being put at risk and have been injured. I see so many officers out there without riot gear, why is that. Does it send the wrong sign, a sign of we’re here for a confrontation or is there not enough gear for everyone?

The police are there to protect the people from harm and the property of the people. Rioters, looters and arsonists should be dealt with swiftly by whatever means necessary. Destruction of public and private property is not acceptable nor is physical harm to innocent citizens.

Where is the National Guard in each state and why aren’t they out on the streets in plain view? Pit them to use. Let them do their job and help with arrests and handle crowd control.

Where are the people who have lived through previous protests and riots who have witnessed the destruction of communities which have decades long impact on those communities. I wish there was a way for some of these people to speak up. Maybe the media should post photos of the aftermath of the destruction and show how long it takes for recovery to happen.

When I was growing up stories would be discussed about how Newark,N.J. in the late 1960’s and Asbury Park, N.J. in 1970 were beautiful towns and were destroyed. There are similar stories across the country like the Baltimore riots from just about 5-6 years ago which has yet to recover.

When reports stop depicting criminals or victims according to race and discuss them as people only is when real change in racial issues will change. Every time a person of color is in the news for one thing or another it’s reported with their color and race continually. If I was arrested I would not be an Italian/Irish white male, I would just be a man who committed a crime or was a victim. When people are seen as people and not according to skin color is when real progress will be made for race relations.

A line in the sand needs to be drawn, enough is enough with the riots, looting and vandalism.

The Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled that police officers at all levels of the government have no duty to protect the citizens of this country.

It is the job of police officers to investigate crimes and arrest criminals.

http://gunssavelives.net/blog/supreme-court-ruling-police-have-no-duty-to-protect-the-general-public/

[98valk]

https://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/deadly-shootings-ignored

[Valkorado]

Watching people burning up taxpayer owned police vehicles, again.  I see organized and planned chaos, from top to bottom.  Its a coup, from Comey to common street thugs of all colors.  Redesigning our nation from a great Republic to a Socialist welfare state via corruption and violence.

No one is entitled to lawlessness.

And that's why I say stay alert.

[carolinarider09]

I wonder, how many of these states have Governors that have executed Executive Orders (or Emegenrcy Declarations) as has the Governor of South Carolina.  Here are a couple of examples from SC

March 20, 2020  -  Gov. Henry McMaster has ordered local law enforcement and SLED to disperse crowds gathered on South Carolina beaches.

March 24, 2020 - In an effort to slow the spread if COVID-19, South Carolina Gov. Henry McMaster gave an executive order Monday that local law enforcement can breakup groups of three or more people

“This would apply to a lot of things.. parties on the beach, boisterous gathers or concerts, spontaneous or unruly gathers at shopping centers, parking lots, those are the kinds of things and we’ve all seen them,” said McMaster in a press conference Monday afternoon, “What it is not intended to apply to… law abiding businesses or employers. It is difficult to draw the line but we know it when we see it and law enforcement officials have this authority under the state of emergency and I am asking them to implement it vigorously.”

Those are the old ones.  I can't easily find his most recent executive order but it includes the same authorization. 

The Police in SC have the authorization of the Governor to disperse crowds of three or more, especially if they are deemed to be a public health hazard. 

And..... we can all see how that has been enforced. 

[Serk]

[Robert]

I did not realize that Floyd had a pretty extensive criminal record


Wife of Derek Chauvin, officer charged with murder in George Floyd’s death, files for divorce

[Jersey mike]

Where is the line in the sand? Why is this 4 days in and governors and mayors are binding the hands of their officers? I’m not a huge proponent of cops, I’ve know enough of them to know they have a “it’s us against them” mentality and have witnessed a holier than thou attitude as well as “do as I say, not as I do” style.

On the flip side of that I understand the job they have to do, it’s a big responsibility and I do support law and order. Without law we’re not a nation of civility. Without mayors and governors having the backs and supporting the LEO”s safety it sends the wrong message. In all these cities LEO’s are severely out numbered, are being put at risk and have been injured. I see so many officers out there without riot gear, why is that. Does it send the wrong sign, a sign of we’re here for a confrontation or is there not enough gear for everyone?

The police are there to protect the people from harm and the property of the people. Rioters, looters and arsonists should be dealt with swiftly by whatever means necessary. Destruction of public and private property is not acceptable nor is physical harm to innocent citizens.

Where is the National Guard in each state and why aren’t they out on the streets in plain view? Pit them to use. Let them do their job and help with arrests and handle crowd control.

Where are the people who have lived through previous protests and riots who have witnessed the destruction of communities which have decades long impact on those communities. I wish there was a way for some of these people to speak up. Maybe the media should post photos of the aftermath of the destruction and show how long it takes for recovery to happen.

When I was growing up stories would be discussed about how Newark,N.J. in the late 1960’s and Asbury Park, N.J. in 1970 were beautiful towns and were destroyed. There are similar stories across the country like the Baltimore riots from just about 5-6 years ago which has yet to recover.

When reports stop depicting criminals or victims according to race and discuss them as people only is when real change in racial issues will change. Every time a person of color is in the news for one thing or another it’s reported with their color and race continually. If I was arrested I would not be an Italian/Irish white male, I would just be a man who committed a crime or was a victim. When people are seen as people and not according to skin color is when real progress will be made for race relations.

A line in the sand needs to be drawn, enough is enough with the riots, looting and vandalism.

The Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled that police officers at all levels of the government have no duty to protect the citizens of this country.

It is the job of police officers to investigate crimes and arrest criminals.

http://gunssavelives.net/blog/supreme-court-ruling-police-have-no-duty-to-protect-the-general-public/

Then they should be arresting criminals;

Destruction of public property is a crime.
Destruction of private property is a crime.
Creating a public nuisance or public disturbance is a crime.
Arson is a crime
Assaulting a peace officer is a crime.
Looting is a crime. The slogan use to be “Looters will be shot on sight” I don’t know when that changed.
I believe creating a riot is a crime.

Untie the hands of the police and let them do their jobs.

[Valkorado]

The Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled that police officers at all levels of the government have no duty to protect the citizens of this country.

It is the job of police officers to investigate crimes and arrest criminals.

http://gunssavelives.net/blog/supreme-court-ruling-police-have-no-duty-to-protect-the-general-public/

Then they should be arresting criminals;

Destruction of public property is a crime.
Destruction of private property is a crime.
Creating a public nuisance or public disturbance is a crime.
Arson is a crime
Assaulting a peace officer is a crime.
Looting is a crime. The slogan use to be “Looters will be shot on sight” I don’t know when that changed.
I believe creating a riot is a crime.

Untie the hands of the police and let them do their jobs.

Amen.

[Robert]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
May 30
Crossing State lines to incite violence is a FEDERAL CRIME! Liberal Governors and Mayors must get MUCH tougher or the Federal Government will step in and do what has to be done, and that includes using the unlimited power of our Military and many arrests. Thank you!

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
23h
The National Guard has been released in Minneapolis to do the job that the Democrat Mayor couldn’t do. Should have been used 2 days ago & there would not have been damage & Police Headquarters would not have been taken over & ruined. Great job by the National Guard. No games!

“TAKE HIS ASS!” Rioter causing damage is detained & handed over to police by peaceful protesters in D.C.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1267249136937689089


“Two Brooklyn lawyers, including an Ivy League graduate corporate attorney, are facing federal charges for tossing a Molotov cocktail into an NYPD vehicle.” https://nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-mo

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-molotov-nypd-brooklyn-lawyers-charged-20200531-nxamwxnjmzgvzmczi6z2ypcbzi-story.html

"I can’t believe it. I’m stunned,” said George Raleigh, the super of Rahman’s building in Bay Ridge. “This kid? She’s an angel.”

[..]

They say there are "racist institutions" in their cities. The cities they have controlled for dozens of years.

They just can't take responsibility. Liars and hypocrites.

Seeing the many videos of the feral scum attacking innocent bystanders across the country I suggest that you.......

Get your carry permit now.

Ammo and guns will skyrocket in price.

[..]

You can get fined and locked up for opening a barbers shop during the "Rona scare.

Rioting, you get a pass from the pols and the media. Disgusting.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/george-floyd-death-here-are-the-cities-protesting

[..]

https://gunmagwarehouse.com/promag-smith-wesson-m-p-9-9mm-17-round-blue-steel-magazine.html

[..]

A lot of "Items currently not available".


https://www.sportsmansguide.com/productlist/ammo/handgun-pistol-ammo/9mm-ammo?d=121&c=95&s=959

[Serk]

Out here in the "safe" suburbs I was shopping at Wal Mart around 3PM this afternoon, I noticed several employees appeared to be rearranging a few aisles, as they do from time to time.....

A few hours later I got word that all the big stores in the area were closing by 4:30 because of the leftist thugs, and I thought back on my experience. They were specifically taking all the kitchen tools (I.E. knives) and guns/ammo off the sales floor and, I presume locking them up somewhere in the back...

Strange times we're in...... strange times.....

[Valkorado]

Watching Washington DC burning down.  Historical buildings.  Our heritage.  Crowds getting dangerously close to the White House.

To those who were pissed off at the virus, I gotta say this anarchy sh!t pisses me off a helluva lot more.  If the cops are boxed in, they should act outside of the box NOW.

And if they won't, turn the military loose.

It makes me sick to my stomach.  It's gotta stop.