Portland laser attack

[DirtyDan]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-riots-federal-officers-blinded-lasers-fireworks-doxed

Dan

[Oss]

I hate to see this but there it is

And I hate to say that it is past time for some serious ass whipping of all the people in that crowd

If you are in that crowd you are a treasonous terrorist IMHO

You are depraved enough to throw gas at a fed or laser a fed you are  asking to die

[Serk]

[carolinarider09]

I heard about this earlier tonight (this afternoon) on NewsMax or OAN (I forget which).   

I also heard about this.  Did not want to start a separate thread so, if no one minds, I will just post it here. 

Bernell Trammell, a well-known Black supporter of Donald Trump who was a community fixture known for his publishing company and long conversations on religion and politics, often delivered from street corners while holding pro Trump and other signs, was shot to death in Milwaukee, Wisconsin

Trammell, 60, was gunned down on July 23 near the very spot where he gave a video interview a few hours before explaining why he supported Trump. Milwaukee police are seeking what they described as “unknown suspects.” The motive is not clear, including whether or not the slaying was tied into Trammell’s political beliefs or Trump support. Some news outlets gave the victim’s name as Bernell Tremmell, but he goes by Trammell on social media.

https://heavy.com/news/2020/07/bernell-trammell/

[DirtyDan]

I heard about this earlier tonight (this afternoon) on NewsMax or OAN (I forget which).   

I also heard about this.  Did not want to start a separate thread so, if no one minds, I will just post it here. 

Bernell Trammell, a well-known Black supporter of Donald Trump who was a community fixture known for his publishing company and long conversations on religion and politics, often delivered from street corners while holding pro Trump and other signs, was shot to death in Milwaukee, Wisconsin

Trammell, 60, was gunned down on July 23 near the very spot where he gave a video interview a few hours before explaining why he supported Trump. Milwaukee police are seeking what they described as “unknown suspects.” The motive is not clear, including whether or not the slaying was tied into Trammell’s political beliefs or Trump support. Some news outlets gave the victim’s name as Bernell Tremmell, but he goes by Trammell on social media.

https://heavy.com/news/2020/07/bernell-trammell/

 

No problem buddy

Dan

[cookiedough]

does not surprise me, is milwaukee WI you know, probably the worst big city to live in or near in WI.

When in 1996 working for GM they closed local office down only 4 out of 50 employees ready to retire moved to Milwaukee office to stay with the company.  NO thanks not moving to Milwaukee or suburbs of Milwaukee even if it paid 100K per year.

[Robert]

I don't understand a few things,

Why doesn't someone take over the government of Seattle. Since it no longer can or will perform its duty of protection of the people. Its a constitutional right, not only of being protected but the ability to perform a duty.

I also like I have said before the US will not fire a gun if the government tries to take things over, since we see the perfect example of this in Seattle.  But we do see a black militia very willing to make its presence known.

Why are the people not rising up and arresting the counsel members for dereliction of duty?

Why are they allowing and endorsing this and not protecting the people?


 A couple of headlines,


Man Whose Father Designed The Seattle Space Needle: These People Are Fake Anarchists, They’re Destroying Our City…

Seattle Police Chief: The City Council Took All Our Non-Lethal Weapons Away As Of Sunday, Do Not Expect Property To Be Protected By Officers…

    The Seattle police chief is sending out letters telling residents: "We cannot enforce the law. You are on your own." pic.twitter.com/89jyezSBMS
    — Christopher F. Rufo (@realchrisrufo) July 25, 2020


In Seattle, the police department - which on Friday announced that they would effectively not be enforcing the law due to a City Council ban on the use of non-lethal crowd control measures - declared a riot, citing "ongoing damage and public safety risks," according to USA Today. 16 protesters were arrested by Seattle PD for assaulting officers, obstruction and failure to disperse. One officer was hospitalized with a leg injury caused by an explosive, while the crowd launched mortars and rocks at the police.

Protests Erupt Across Country; Black Militia Member Accidentally Shoots Comrades In Park

Its all about power from the dems
https://twitter.com/i/status/1242141235713732609

[Patrick]

Eye for an eye

If a couple folks are found take them to the village square and aim the laser at them, take out an eye. Let the word out and see what happens.

[3fan4life]

Deploy a few of these and use them:




The riots will end almost instantly and others will quickly reconsider their desire to riot elsewhere.

[Willow]

Deploy a few of these and use them:
...
The riots will end almost instantly and others will quickly reconsider their desire to riot elsewhere.

Some time back several of our members questioned whether U.S. troops could be counted on to target groups of U.S. citizens.  That was when we were discussing the possibility of our own revolution.  Now, however, multiple folks are calling for the use of U.S. troops and equipment against U.S. citizens that we don't like or with whom we don't agree.  Be careful.  It's a slippery slope.  Once the forces have responded to one such order it's so much easier for them to respond to the next similar order.    

[carolinarider09]

I agree with Willow. 

[DirtyDan]

Violence is contagious

Dan

[Patrick]

Actually I think water would work. Water cannons are effective.

[Romeo]

I totally agree with Willow. Having said that, it has been my belief for quite some time that a vast number of our citizens do not deserve the protections the very constitution they would love to burn afford them. So many of our own citizenry have no respect for themselves or anyone else. In short, they don’t deserve the nation they live in. They have no idea what individual responsibility is, nor do they care to learn. It appears to me that our freedoms have spawned selfish, envious, animals. I suspect if one was to look deeper they would find this coincides with an erosion of our core principles that were based in Judeo Christian ethic. Regardless of the cause, Im not sure we, as a whole, deserve the protections of the constitution any longer. I’m not sure it’s workable any longer as too many of us have no respect for the laws we enact.

[Moonshot_1]

Deploy a few of these and use them:
...
The riots will end almost instantly and others will quickly reconsider their desire to riot elsewhere.

Some time back several of our members questioned whether U.S. troops could be counted on to target groups of U.S. citizens.  That was when we were discussing the possibility of our own revolution.  Now, however, multiple folks are calling for the use of U.S. troops and equipment against U.S. citizens that we don't like or with whom we don't agree.  Be careful.  It's a slippery slope.  Once the forces have responded to one such order it's so much easier for them to respond to the next similar order.    

View from the cheap seats....

To view this under the normal social dynamics, I would agree with the assessment. But this is not normal social dynamics. We have cities under siege. I believe the groups responsible for the worst of this have crossed the line into "enemy combatant" territory.

You are a business owner, a resident of one of these neighborhoods under siege, the normal dynamic is the mayor and city council will get law enforcement to put a stop to it and protect the citizens of the neighborhood.

Currently many mayors and city councils have decided to address this by having law enforcement stand down and de-funding them and letting people rampage, riot, destroy things at will. Even Federal things.

Not sure who is supposed to protect the citizens of these affected areas.

I understand the slippery slope argument but also understand it works the other way too.

All this is going to come back and bite us on election day. It will be the most violent election day in this country's history. These folk know they can get away with it.

 

[Valker]

Sounds like Trammell will be voting Democratic now in November.

[Jess from VA]

Deploy a few of these and use them:
...
The riots will end almost instantly and others will quickly reconsider their desire to riot elsewhere.

Some time back several of our members questioned whether U.S. troops could be counted on to target groups of U.S. citizens.  That was when we were discussing the possibility of our own revolution.  Now, however, multiple folks are calling for the use of U.S. troops and equipment against U.S. citizens that we don't like or with whom we don't agree.  Be careful.  It's a slippery slope.  Once the forces have responded to one such order it's so much easier for them to respond to the next similar order.    

View from the cheap seats....

To view this under the normal social dynamics, I would agree with the assessment. But this is not normal social dynamics. We have cities under siege. I believe the groups responsible for the worst of this have crossed the line into "enemy combatant" territory.

You are a business owner, a resident of one of these neighborhoods under siege, the normal dynamic is the mayor and city council will get law enforcement to put a stop to it and protect the citizens of the neighborhood.

Currently many mayors and city councils have decided to address this by having law enforcement stand down and de-funding them and letting people rampage, riot, destroy things at will. Even Federal things.

Not sure who is supposed to protect the citizens of these affected areas.

I understand the slippery slope argument but also understand it works the other way too.

All this is going to come back and bite us on election day. It will be the most violent election day in this country's history. These folk know they can get away with it.
 

Again, I agree with you Mike.  My default setting is always to obey and protect the constitution first before all else.  I understand the slippery slope too.

But the practical and theoretical aren't always simpatico with each other.

Are we now (as a nation and people) prepared to accept ongoing campaigns of violence and insurrection against the clear rule of law, the police, public and private property, and the general good order, which is well beyond any legitimate claim of free speech, assembly or protest, for any reason (or for extremely unclear reasons), to be the new norm in our country?? ?

I say no.  Legitimate and lawful protest is always available.  Insurrection should not be available.

I concur in spirit with the posts about using infantry vehicles and snipers, but none of that is necessary.  Except in legitimate individual cases, the police do not need to use lethal force.  They announce a deadline and tell them exactly what they will do if it is not followed, then they march in in sufficient numbers with shields and clubs and non lethal arms and clear the area.  Hard resistors are arrested, jailed and not released on $3 bail, and prosecuted and re-jailed.  The war zone is then repaired.  

If you need help from the National Guards or state cops, then get it.

We don't need an escalation of armament, we need an escalation in resolve to follow and enforce the rule of law.  As the same old norm.  

Insurrection can never be allowed to become the new norm.


You shut it down as a clear example to all other like-minded groups and felons.  You let it continue, and it will expand in numbers (and regions).   It has always been so.  

Use of force by the police and authorities in these cities is in preservation of essential liberty, and not a loss of liberty.

  

 

[DIGGER]

Deploy a few of these and use them:
...
The riots will end almost instantly and others will quickly reconsider their desire to riot elsewhere.

Some time back several of our members questioned whether U.S. troops could be counted on to target groups of U.S. citizens.  That was when we were discussing the possibility of our own revolution.  Now, however, multiple folks are calling for the use of U.S. troops and equipment against U.S. citizens that we don't like or with whom we don't agree.  Be careful.  It's a slippery slope.  Once the forces have responded to one such order it's so much easier for them to respond to the next similar order.    

Willow.....you seem to keep up with current events....in Portland what do you think needs to happen to get this looting,rioting, and other lawlessness to stop?    I'm a hard line guy and think with a mayor that does nothing and actually stands with the rioters that the feds need to come in and protect their own federal bldgs.   What do you think needs to happen?  Looking forward to your answer.

[hubcapsc]

in Portland what do you think needs to happen to get this looting,rioting, and other lawlessness to stop?

The people who live there who elected the officials who are letting it happen
need to be the ones who stand up and get it stopped. Their voices need to
rise above the din and if they need the federal government to help them I
hope there's an agency that's not the military that can be sent, it doesn't
seem fair to soldiers to send them after Americans, even if they are
progressives scumbags.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGBbBnYljQU    <-------- these guys are too funny

-Mike "not willow"

[98valk]

Where were the police? The cops were told not to intervene in Red Guard activities, and if they did, the national police chief pardoned the Guards for any crimes.

o set the mobs on somebody, one needed only to tie him to an official blacklist like the Four Olds (old customs, culture, habits, and ideas). China’s young people and urban workers formed Red Guard units to go after whomever was outed. Violence? Yes, please. When Mao launched the movement in May 1966, he told his mobs to “bombard the headquarters” and made clear that “to rebel is justified.” He said “revisionists should be removed through violent class struggle.” The old thinkers were everywhere and were systematically trying to preserve their power and subjugate the people.

Whetted, the mobs took the task to heart: Red Guards destroyed historical relics, statues, and artifacts, and ransacked cultural and religious sites. Libraries were burned. Religion was considered a tool of capitalists and so churches were destroyed—even the Temple of Confucius was wrecked. Eventually the Red Guards moved on to openly killing people who did not think as they did.

democrat party is the new Mao, the blm/antifa/rioters are the Red Guard.
once mao agendas were accomplished he turned on the red guard.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/remember-the-red-guards-before-you-cheer-the-woke-mobs/

[98valk]

Deploy a few of these and use them:
...
The riots will end almost instantly and others will quickly reconsider their desire to riot elsewhere.

Some time back several of our members questioned whether U.S. troops could be counted on to target groups of U.S. citizens.  That was when we were discussing the possibility of our own revolution.  Now, however, multiple folks are calling for the use of U.S. troops and equipment against U.S. citizens that we don't like or with whom we don't agree.  Be careful.  It's a slippery slope.  Once the forces have responded to one such order it's so much easier for them to respond to the next similar order.    

I tend to remember the discussion was about rogue govt officials sending troops on US citizens standing up for the USC and the America it supports. 
 portland, seattle, etc., are clearly defined insurrections against the USC with the support of rogue democrat mayors and governors.  Insurrection Act of 1807 is a United States federal law that empowers the President of the United States to deploy U.S. military and federalized National Guard troops within the United States in particular circumstances, such as to suppress civil disorder, insurrection and rebellion against the United States and USC.
The Act empowers the U.S. president to call into service the U.S. Armed Forces and the National Guard:

    when requested by a state's legislature, or governor if the legislature cannot be convened, to address an insurrection against that state (§ 251),
    to address an insurrection, in any state, which makes it impracticable to enforce the law (§ 252), or
    to address an insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination or conspiracy, in any state, which results in the deprivation of Constitutionally-secured rights, and where the state is unable, fails, or refuses to protect said rights

[Serk]

The catch in this case is that the left wing mayors, city councils, governors, etc are at best allowing this to continue, if not colluding to help make it happen.

Does the federal government have a responsibility to protect American citizens when their local government had abandoned them to the wolves?

I'm honestly torn on this one... But I'm leaning more towards this take:

https://pjmedia.com/columns/stephen-kruiser/2020/07/27/the-morning-briefing-it-might-be-time-to-let-the-liberal-riot-hellholes-burn-n713615

[Willow]

Willow.....you seem to keep up with current events....in Portland what do you think needs to happen to get this looting,rioting, and other lawlessness to stop?    I'm a hard line guy and think with a mayor that does nothing and actually stands with the rioters that the feds need to come in and protect their own federal bldgs.   What do you think needs to happen?  Looking forward to your answer. 

I'm a hard line law guy (with the possible exception of some traffic laws  )  I'm torn about the federal government stepping in to do what local governments should but are not doing.  I'm all for federal police(?) protecting federal property and personnel.  I'm for federal police arresting violators of federal law.  I'm hesitant to support federal police enforcing local laws.  I don't want us to move down the road to a more federal and less local law environment.  I am not in favor of using U.S. armed forces against U.S. citizens.

Perhaps the voices and actions of the local citizenry need to cause the action or removal of the elected officials that are simply not doing their jobs.

I don't have an easy answer.

[Jess from VA]

It Might Be Time to Let the Liberal Riot Hellholes Burn

I hadn't thought of that (as a clear cut policy).

But now that I do, I like it for a number of reasons.  As long as it doesn't spread all over like some goofy virus.

They would then be getting the full government they elected (and deserve), and why risk the cops at all (State, local, Guard or Fed), just give them all the vacation time they want.  And just a wonderful example of full lefty city government in (in)action, for future elections.  Yes sir, vote for THOSE people and watch your cities burn.  More fun that a barrel of monkeys.  Also, the images of a burning (D) city is better than the images of police brutality in suppressing rioters in the upcoming election narratives.

And not one red cent in federal money to rebuild.    

[Valker]

They'd just continue to be like roaches and move to a new area.

[carolinarider09]

I think I sort of agree with Jess on this.

The only issue would be, as I think Willow said, would be if the carnage moved.  I don't think it would move as easily as we might fear. 

And, as much as I hate seeing innocent people being hurt and held hostage, there are times when you have to reap what you sow.

[indybobm]

I never comment on political posts but:

Just saw Jerry Nadler on camera saying that what is happening in Portland is a myth!! Really?

[Oss]

I disagree

We have to PROTECT the police
The way to do that is Presidential Martial Law declaration
Start with largest possible cordon and Surround all protesters with federal troops, fully deputize police and restore funding and supplies
Nobody gets out, nobody. 10000 troops from someplace other than Oregon ought to do it
Police get paid from federal funds bill the city of portland take it from whatever aid they would be getting next year
All  rioters get subdued by any means necessary and taken to new detention area

Then interrogate them as enemy combatants so we can learn who is behind the riots besides Antifa
Then when peace returns end martial law
Might take a week since no bail or habeus corpus
Trials after end of martial law but again there is no bail during ML

Oh yeah arrest the mayor for treason  58 days of this? too many

[Patrick]

I never comment on political posts but:

Just saw Jerry Nadler on camera saying that what is happening in Portland is a myth!! Really?

What is absolutely crazy is that there are some people that listen to him, and, others like him.  He is another waste of tax payer dollars.

[DIGGER]

Willow.....you seem to keep up with current events....in Portland what do you think needs to happen to get this looting,rioting, and other lawlessness to stop?    I'm a hard line guy and think with a mayor that does nothing and actually stands with the rioters that the feds need to come in and protect their own federal bldgs.   What do you think needs to happen?  Looking forward to your answer. 

I'm a hard line law guy (with the possible exception of some traffic laws  )  I'm torn about the federal government stepping in to do what local governments should but are not doing.  I'm all for federal police(?) protecting federal property and personnel.  I'm for federal police arresting violators of federal law.  I'm hesitant to support federal police enforcing local laws.  I don't want us to move down the road to a more federal and less local law environment.  I am not in favor of using U.S. armed forces against U.S. citizens.

Perhaps the voices and actions of the local citizenry need to cause the action or removal of the elected officials that are simply not doing their jobs.

I don't have an easy answer.

I agree with your answer......good job

[..]

Nadler says it's a myth 

Watch the video.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/07/jerry_nadlers_bizarre_denial_reveals_the_medias_coverup.html

[..]

They really have lost the plot in Portland.

Something in the water?
The weed?

Portland officials announced Tuesday the city is fining the federal government $500 every 15 minutes for erecting an unauthorized fence.



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8570409/Oregon-talks-White-House-pull-federal-troops-Portland.html

[Bighead]

They really have lost the plot in Portland.

Something in the water?
The weed?

Portland officials announced Tuesday the city is fining the federal government $500 every 15 minutes for erecting an unauthorized fence.



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8570409/Oregon-talks-White-House-pull-federal-troops-Portland.html

Good luck collecting that or money to rebuild, well until a Dem gets in the WH.

[..]

What political party is in power in Virginia??? 


https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tyler-o-neil/2020/07/28/richmond-antifa-riot-destroyed-100000-in-property-university-says-n722931

[DirtyDan]

What political party is in power in Virginia??? 


https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tyler-o-neil/2020/07/28/richmond-antifa-riot-destroyed-100000-in-property-university-says-n722931

A guess......

https://youtu.be/vN7o6w-ST_w

Maybe

Dan

[Jess from VA]

What political party is in power in Virginia??? 

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tyler-o-neil/2020/07/28/richmond-antifa-riot-destroyed-100000-in-property-university-says-n722931

The same one that want's to outlaw and limit all our firearms.  And absolutely none of those firearms or their owners are in Richmond with the crowd burning the town down.

So who is the enemy?  

[..]

Wonderful education in the USA 


https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2020/07/30/michigan-bb-owners-forced-to-take-down-norwegian-flag-that-looks-like-confederate-flag-n731471

[..]

Eating their own once more   


https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/jeff-reynolds/2020/07/30/the-left-eats-their-own-portland-edition-wall-of-moms-collapses-accused-of-anti-blackness-n731515

[98valk]

Eating their own once more   


https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/jeff-reynolds/2020/07/30/the-left-eats-their-own-portland-edition-wall-of-moms-collapses-accused-of-anti-blackness-n731515

In addition, there were bitter divisions within the Red Guard movement itself, especially along social and political lines. The most radical students often found themselves in conflict with more conservative Red Guards.[10]    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Guards

Ecclesiastes 1:9  and what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun.

[Ramie]

Willow.....you seem to keep up with current events....in Portland what do you think needs to happen to get this looting,rioting, and other lawlessness to stop?    I'm a hard line guy and think with a mayor that does nothing and actually stands with the rioters that the feds need to come in and protect their own federal bldgs.   What do you think needs to happen?  Looking forward to your answer. 

I'm a hard line law guy (with the possible exception of some traffic laws  )  I'm torn about the federal government stepping in to do what local governments should but are not doing.  I'm all for federal police(?) protecting federal property and personnel.  I'm for federal police arresting violators of federal law.  I'm hesitant to support federal police enforcing local laws.  I don't want us to move down the road to a more federal and less local law environment.  I am not in favor of using U.S. armed forces against U.S. citizens.

Perhaps the voices and actions of the local citizenry need to cause the action or removal of the elected officials that are simply not doing their jobs.

I don't have an easy answer.

That brings up a number of tough questions.  For instance Hate Laws, I believe there are a number federal hate laws on the book that can be interpreted a number of ways, If a white protester (which most of them seem to be) injures a black policeman, is that a hate crime the can be enforced by the Federal marshals?  Making IED's to throw at police does that fall into ATF jurisdiction? 

This is a crazy mess and I agree, it's more up to the locals to find a way to get the MSM to pay attention to them instead of the rioters.