the truth about covid 19

[Robert]

Did you read the piece?

To me it sounds like the skeptics hit piece on the virus, no new facts nothing concrete and slanted to the idea conspiracy theory if you think that the virus is not bad.

I am a little surprised that you hold this piece up and I would like to know what is your position on this. Do you consider it a threat that in my interpretations would go along with this piece or do you consider it something to watch for but not a big threat. I ask because it would help me understand why and in what consideration that you posted this article.  

[The emperor has no clothes]

Why - I got my nurse Practioner to prescribe me Gabapenton to help me fall back asleep after I wake up in the middle of the night instead of just laying there for 2-5 hours trying to fall back asleep. It may not be perfect, but it helps.... and this is definately not a normal use of the drug.

In some states the political powers have caused prescriptions for hydroxychloroquine to be justified and very limited.  

IMO, the use of HCQ is being restricted because although it may help some, it won’t help all and being as we’ve adapted the “everybody gets a trophy syndrome” it would not be fair for some or the majority of people to use it and be well while others use it and still get sick or die. The belief that only a C-19 shot will be the saving grace is putting more people at risk than necessary.

IMO , the use of HCQ is being restricted because early on it became touted as working against Covid. In turn nearly every Tom, Dick, and Harry was trying to get it, some even stockpiling it for themselves and their families. Because of this, there was grave danger of supplies being depleted and people with R/A, Lupus were facing possible shortages.

[Valkorado]

Did you read the piece?

To me it sounds like the skeptics hit piece on the virus, no new facts nothing concrete and slanted to the idea conspiracy theory if you think that the virus is not bad.

Of course and I would hope everybody here does, and comes to their own conclusions as you obviously have.  That said, here it is again.

https://apnews.com/86f61f3ffb6173c29bc7db201c10f141

[The emperor has no clothes]

I read it. Twice. It's accurate. Thanks for posting it. 

[Robert]

Sounds like your pretty worried about it but why dont you post some facts if you are. The first line of the article says it all.  

As the world races to find a vaccine and a treatment for COVID-19, there is seemingly no antidote in sight for the burgeoning outbreak of coronavirus conspiracy theories, hoaxes, anti-mask myths and sham cures.

Of course there is no pure treatment or antidote its to new. But the real fact, the real one that no one can argue with is

(99%)
in Mild Condition

(1%)
Serious or Critical

Cases which had an outcome:
10,726,525 (94%)
Recovered / Discharged

670,907 (6%)
Deaths

This could also have mitigated, if there was not a push to inflate the numbers by some.

This was greatly overstated and overestimated and by the figures you see on other illnesses and breakouts does not come close.

It also fails to mention that hospitals are being compensated to the sum of 175 BILLION for Covid cases, so Im sure there would be no push to inflate the numbers. NONE of this is conspiracy its only facts, unlike the piece you posted that talks about he said she said and no numbers.

There is no cure, there is no vaccine and neither come without experimentation. WE are the ones experimented on by doctors since they are using what they have available to work with and from the numbers it seems to be working.


328.2 million (2019) US pop

Deaths:
153,871

Percentage works out to .04 percent

fact

[Robert]

I read it. Twice. It's accurate. Thanks for posting it. 

What numbers are accurate? Its more of a personal opinion piece something you are famous for, so no wonder you like it.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I read it. Twice. It's accurate. Thanks for posting it. 

What numbers are accurate? Its more of a personal opinion piece something you are famous for, so no wonder you like it.

I like it ? I despise it. It is frigging ridiculous that we are to this point in our society !

[Jersey mike]

Misinformation on coronavirus is proving highly contagious

https://apnews.com/86f61f3ffb6173c29bc7db201c10f141

VERBATIM:

PROVIDENCE, R.I. (AP) — As the world races to find a vaccine and a treatment for COVID-19, there is seemingly no antidote in sight for the burgeoning outbreak of coronavirus conspiracy theories, hoaxes, anti-mask myths and sham cures.

The phenomenon, unfolding largely on social media, escalated this week when President Donald Trump retweeted a false video about an anti-malaria drug being a cure for the virus and it was revealed that Russian intelligence is spreading disinformation about the crisis through English-language websites.

Experts worry the torrent of bad information is dangerously undermining efforts to slow the virus, whose death toll in the U.S. hit 150,000 Wednesday, by far the highest in the world, according to the tally kept by Johns Hopkins University. Over a half-million people have died in the rest of the world.

Hard-hit Florida reported 216 deaths, breaking the single-day record it set a day earlier. Texas confirmed 313 additional deaths, pushing its total to 6,190, while South Carolina’s death toll passed 1,500 this week, more than doubling over the past month. In Georgia, hospitalizations have more than doubled since July 1.

“It is a real challenge in terms of trying to get the message to the public about what they can really do to protect themselves and what the facts are behind the problem,” said Michael Osterholm, head of the University of Minnesota’s Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy.

He said the fear is that “people are putting themselves in harm’s way because they don’t believe the virus is something they have to deal with.”

Rather than fade away in the face of new evidence, the claims have flourished, fed by mixed messages from officials, transmitted by social media, amplified by leaders like Trump and mutating when confronted with contradictory facts.

“You don’t need masks. There is a cure,” Dr. Stella Immanuel promised in a video that promoted hydroxychloroquine. “You don’t need people to be locked down.”

The truth: Federal regulators last month revoked their authorization of the drug as an emergency treatment amid growing evidence it doesn’t work and can have deadly side effects. Even if it were effective, it wouldn’t negate the need for masks and other measures to contain the outbreak.

None of that stopped Trump, who has repeatedly praised the drug, from retweeting the video. Twitter and Facebook began removing the video Monday for violating policies on COVID-19 misinformation, but it had already been seen more than 20 million times.

Many of the claims in Immanuel’s video are widely disputed by medical experts. She has made even more bizarre pronouncements in the past, saying that cysts, fibroids and some other conditions can be caused by having sex with demons, that McDonald’s and Pokemon promote witchcraft, that alien DNA is used in medical treatments, and that half-human “reptilians” work in the government.

Other baseless theories and hoaxes have alleged that the virus isn’t real or that it’s a bioweapon created by the U.S. or its adversaries. One hoax from the outbreak’s early months claimed new 5G towers were spreading the virus through microwaves. Another popular story held that Microsoft founder Bill Gates plans to use COVID-19 vaccines to implant microchips in all 7 billion people on the planet.

Then there are the political theories — that doctors, journalists and federal officials are conspiring to lie about the threat of the virus to hurt Trump politically.

Social media has amplified the claims and helped believers find each other. The flood of misinformation has posed a challenge for Facebook, Twitter and other platforms, which have found themselves accused of censorship for taking down virus misinformation.

Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg was questioned about Immanuel’s video during an often-contentious congressional hearing Wednesday.

“We did take it down because it violates our policies,” Zuckerberg said.

U.S. Rep. David Cicilline, a Rhode Island Democrat leading the hearing, responded by noting that 20 million people saw the video before Facebook acted.

“Doesn’t that suggest that your platform is so big, that even with the right policies in place, you can’t contain deadly content?” Cicilline asked Zuckerberg.

It wasn’t the first video containing misinformation about the virus, and experts say it’s not likely to be the last.

A professionally made 26-minute video that alleges the government’s top infectious-disease expert, Dr. Anthony Fauci, manufactured the virus and shipped it to China was watched more than 8 million times before the platforms took action. The video, titled “Plandemic,” also warned that masks could make you sick — the false claim Facebook cited when it removed the video down from its site.

Judy Mikovits, the discredited doctor behind “Plandemic,” had been set to appear on the show “America This Week” on the Sinclair Broadcast Group. But the company, which operates TV stations in 81 U.S. markets, canned the segment, saying it was “not appropriate” to air.

This week, U.S. government officials speaking on condition of anonymity cited what they said was a clear link between Russian intelligence and websites with stories designed to spread disinformation on the coronavirus in the West. Russian officials rejected the accusations.

Of all the bizarre and myriad claims about the virus, those regarding masks are proving to be among the most stubborn.

New York City resident Carlos Lopez said he wears a mask when required to do so but doesn’t believe it is necessary.

“They’re politicizing it as a tool,” he said. “I think it’s more to try to get Trump to lose. It’s more a scare tactic.”

He is in the minority. A recent AP/NORC poll said 3 in 4 Americans — Democrats and Republicans alike — support a national mask mandate.

Still, mask skeptics are a vocal minority and have come together to create social media pages where many false claims about mask safety are shared. Facebook has removed some of the pages — such as the group Unmasking America!, which had nearly 10,000 members — but others remain.

Early in the pandemic, medical authorities themselves were the source of much confusion regarding masks. In February, officials like the U.S. surgeon general urged Americans not to stockpile masks because they were needed by medical personnel and might not be effective in everyday situations.

Public health officials changed their tune when it became apparent that the virus could spread among people showing no symptoms.

Yet Trump remained reluctant to use a mask, mocked his rival Joe Biden for wearing one and suggested people might be covering their faces just to hurt him politically. He did an abrupt about-face this month, claiming that he had always supported masks — then later retweeted Immanuel’s video against masks.

The mixed signals hurt, Fauci acknowledged in an interview with NPR this month.

“The message early on became confusing,” he said.

Many of the claims around masks allege harmful effects, such as blocked oxygen flow or even a greater chance of infection. The claims have been widely debunked by doctors.

Dr. Maitiu O Tuathail of Ireland grew so concerned about mask misinformation he posted an online video of himself comfortably wearing a mask while measuring his oxygen levels. The video has been viewed more than 20 million times.

“While face masks don’t lower your oxygen levels. COVID definitely does,” he warned.

Yet trusted medical authorities are often being dismissed by those who say requiring people to wear masks is a step toward authoritarianism.

“Unless you make a stand, you will be wearing a mask for the rest of your life,” tweeted Simon Dolan, a British businessman who has sued the government over its COVID-19 restrictions.

Trump’s reluctant, ambivalent and late embrace of masks hasn’t convinced some of his strongest supporters, who have concocted ever more elaborate theories to explain his change of heart. Some say he was actually speaking in code and doesn’t really support masks.

O Tuathail witnessed just how unshakable COVID-19 misinformation can be when, after broadcasting his video, he received emails from people who said he cheated or didn’t wear the mask long enough to feel the negative effects.

That’s not surprising, according to University of Central Florida psychology professor Chrysalis Wright, who studies misinformation. She said conspiracy theory believers often engage in mental gymnastics to make their beliefs conform with reality.

“People only want to hear what they already think they know,” she said.

___

Associated Press writers Beatrice Dupuy in New York, Eric Tucker in Washington, and Amy Forliti in Minneapolis contributed to this report.

Ok, some people died. How many lived? For the people who did die, more info is needed for the public to understand the risk/reward ratio.

The sky is falling approach to this virus is more overwhelming than the number of deaths it’s causing.

Underlying conditions are in every age category: asthma, high blood pressure, cancer, COPD, HIV, other immune compromised health conditions, obesity, old age. Almost every person probably has some sort of underlying condition so what‘s the issue here? Nothing, there is no issue, politicians are creating an issue. Media is creating an issue. 150,000/325,000,000 people dead in 6 months is sad but inconsequential. Yes I said inconsequential... I’m the bad guy.

Floods, earthquakes, famine, tornadoes, plague and viruses happen and people die, that’s history and is current news and will be fact in the future, there’s no stopping it. Live life and move on. Denying people the opportunity to use a medicine which may help is wrong. Silencing people, shunning them or attacking them who speak the opposite of the powers that be is even more wrong, it prevents the opportunity for people to decide for themselves what is right, wrong or just plain stupid.

[Valkorado]

I read it. Twice. It's accurate. Thanks for posting it. 

What numbers are accurate? Its more of a personal opinion piece something you are famous for, so no wonder you like it.

I like it ? I despise it. It is frigging ridiculous that we are to this point in our society !

Yes.  It seems that article really pissed of some readers.  That's too bad.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I read it. Twice. It's accurate. Thanks for posting it. 

What numbers are accurate? Its more of a personal opinion piece something you are famous for, so no wonder you like it.

I like it ? I despise it. It is frigging ridiculous that we are to this point in our society !

Yes.  It seems that article really pissed of some readers.  That's too bad.

It is too bad. And very sad also. 

[Robert]

I read it. Twice. It's accurate. Thanks for posting it. 

What numbers are accurate? Its more of a personal opinion piece something you are famous for, so no wonder you like it.

I like it ? I despise it. It is frigging ridiculous that we are to this point in our society !

Yes.  It seems that article really pissed of some readers.  That's too bad.

Its not the article really, its the typical people holding a opinion piece up as something that has something worth while saying. It has some truth in what it says but the real truth is NO ONE KNOWS WHAT IS GOING TO HELP SOLVE THIS. So any opinion offered as to remedies and ways to treat this should not be ridiculed until some solid numbers come in. The same is to be said with the severity of the virus itself and hysteria needs to be held down instead being ratcheted up.

Ventilators was a great example, more people were dying from the ventilators than the virus. So all the hysteria and to get ventilators the laws and regulations changed and now they are scrap and actually killed people. So all the hype how many lives were lost?

If you want to carry it forward the projections the hype from China along with the lack of knowledge KILLED PEOPLE. Now thats real and the cost of this hyped virus. NOW if that does not give you pause or concern then think about how many kids are dying from lack of school lunches or the loss of jobs, or the many real consequences of NOT coming up with a good solid plan to combat this.

Its all because practice makes perfect and medicine does not turn on a dime most of the time. Its built on one cure or successful outcome after another and when there is no practice, no track record people die.

Thats why you don't shout fire in a crowed movie theater and its today's hype that causes the needless destruction of our society, lives and money to fight something that is not as severe as was predicted and society could function fairly normally with it still around.

Its those that dont see and think about these facts that parrot the purposeful media hype that are responsible for the deaths, just as much as the virus. They are like empty sounding boards not able to distinguish the facts from the fiction and like sheep lead others to run off the cliff. That is my real problem with this article and many who hold these up as facts.

[Valkorado]

I read it. Twice. It's accurate. Thanks for posting it.  

What numbers are accurate? Its more of a personal opinion piece something you are famous for, so no wonder you like it.

I like it ? I despise it. It is frigging ridiculous that we are to this point in our society !

Yes.  It seems that article really pissed of some readers.  That's too bad.

Its not the article really, its the typical people holding a opinion piece up as something that has something worth while saying. It has some truth in what it says but the real truth is NO ONE KNOWS WHAT IS GOING TO HELP SOLVE THIS. So any opinion offered as to remedies and ways to treat this should not be ridiculed until some solid numbers come in. The same is to be said with the severity of the virus itself and hysteria needs to be held down instead being ratcheted up.

Ventilators was a great example, more people were dying from the ventilators than the virus. So all the hysteria and to get ventilators the laws and regulations changed and now they are scrap and actually killed people. So all the hype how many lives were lost?

I was not posting the article to convince you to change your beliefs or lifestyle.   I guess according to you  I'm one of the, "typical people holding an opinion piece up as something that has something worth while saying".  I am glad you are at least acknowledging "some truth" in the article, and that there is a problem that we should do our best as a society to solve.

As I've said, I think the problem should be fought in a multifaceted way from all angles -- prevention, therapeutics and hopefully someday a vaccine.  I've also said on numerous occasions that I do not support mandated lockdown or masking.

[The emperor has no clothes]

You took that post as taunting ?  (I'm not sure why you copied and pasted that last part ?)

[Robert]

I was not posting the article to convince you to change your beliefs or lifestyle.   I guess according to you  I'm one of the, "typical people holding an opinion piece up as something that has something worth while saying".  I am glad you are at least acknowledging there is a problem that we should do our best as a society to solve.

As I've said, I think the problem should be fought in a multifaceted way from all angles -- prevention, therapeutics and hopefully someday a vaccine.  I've also said on numerous occasions that I do not support mandated lockdown or masking.

I well remember what you have said and am quite bewildered why you would post an article like this, knowing there is no cure, no solid remedy, no mask that works well, no quarantine that seems to work or is necessitated. I'm sure you are well above able to understand not only the severity of the situation but the lack of cure and that the media and government MAY be doing this for purposes other than the public's best interest.

If you posted it because of its political slant then say it, but to me I think you are above this but just dont know why you would post this.

[Robert]

You took that post as taunting ?  (I'm not sure why you copied and pasted that last part ?)

 Then why did you post it? Or are you like the ones in Barrs hearing yesterday? "It was all Barrs (my) fault".

[Willow]

I read it. Twice. It's accurate. Thanks for posting it. 

It's bullshit.  It's purely opinion fraught with misinformation and with no supporting facts.  I read enough of it to see it is basically a disguised anti-Trump piece.  I'm surprised that Valkorado would promote it.

[Willow]

...
Even if they only save ONE LIFE!
...

So, are you ready to abandon motorized transportation because that would surely save not just one but many lives?

[Valkorado]

I was not posting the article to convince you to change your beliefs or lifestyle.   I guess according to you  I'm one of the, "typical people holding an opinion piece up as something that has something worth while saying".  I am glad you are at least acknowledging there is a problem that we should do our best as a society to solve.

As I've said, I think the problem should be fought in a multifaceted way from all angles -- prevention, therapeutics and hopefully someday a vaccine.  I've also said on numerous occasions that I do not support mandated lockdown or masking.

I well remember what you have said and am quite bewildered why you would post an article like this, knowing there is no cure, no solid remedy, no mask that works well, no quarantine that seems to work or is necessitated. I'm sure you are beyond able to understand not only the severity of the situation but the lack of cure and that the media and government MAY be doing this for purposes other than the public's best interest.

If you posted it because of its political slant then say it, but to me I think you are above this but just dont know why you would post this.

To piss you off, Robert.  For no other reason.  Even though you yourself acknowledged it has, "some truth".  That's a huge statement coming from you.

Funny that you consider the virus trivial, but you admit there is currently no cure and no solid remedy for it as it continues to  rack up "fake" numbers...

[The emperor has no clothes]

You took that post as taunting ?  (I'm not sure why you copied and pasted that last part ?)

 Then why did you post it? Or are you like the ones in Barrs hearing yesterday? It was all Barrs fault.

With you going back and adding and removing stuff to your posts, makes it very hard to communicate accurately. (Along with Willow removing posts)

I read it. Twice. It's accurate. Thanks for posting it.  

It's bullshit.  It's purely opinion fraught with misinformation and with no supporting facts.  I read enough of it to see it is basically a disguised anti-Trump piece.  I'm surprised that Valkorado would promote it.

Yeah, I remember you also saying many other things were bullshit too. That have been proven out as fact. (Your track record of predicting bullshit is lacking)

[Valkorado]

...
Even if they only save ONE LIFE!
...

So, are you ready to abandon motorized transportation because that would surely save not just one but many lives?

Nice try.
The one life comment was in response to Carolina's one life comment.  You knew that but oh well.

[Willow]

Robert, Valkarado, Meathead let's drop the discussion of the article.  I don't want to lock this thread.

[Robert]

Robert, Valkarado, Meathead let's drop the discussion of the article.  I don't want to lock this thread.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Robert, Valkarado, Meathead let's drop the discussion of the article.  I don't want to lock this thread.

you got it  

[hubcapsc]

Conspiracy theories aside... I think when I wear a mask it protects others against me.
I think everyone should wear a mask to the grocery store and such places,
not because of a mandate, but because it probably helps the little old bald
headed lady with cancer (and such folks) feel less exposed while she
motors around the store in her little wheel-chair cart.

I was at the grocery store a couple of days ago, I wore a mask while
I was there. The bald-headed wheel chair lady was there too, going
the wrong way in the isle  ... I went to the un-crowded Georgia guitar
store I like yesterday and didn't wear a mask. It has been real hot
here lately, the last three times I went there I also stopped at this
cool place where I noticed they had a big advertisement for their
iced tea, like they were proud of it or something. I can report
it is very good  ... two out of the three times I stopped
there they said, "all you want is tea?... no charge...". I've been all
around through here lately, often on my Valkyrie... There's several
nice motorcycle roads and all of it is "the country"... Britman would
like the loop  ...



-Mike "posted while Willow was writing his comment..."

[The emperor has no clothes]

Do they have unsweetened tea ?  

(You weren't on the Top 10 Wanted list) 

[hubcapsc]

Do they have unsweetened tea ? 

After they say "no charge" you don't ask more questions,
you hit the door  ...

-Mike

[Valkorado]

Done.

Riding motorcycles, playing guitars and drinking sweet tea are inherently good things, Mike.  Not all at the same time.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Do they have unsweetened tea ? 

After they say "no charge" you don't ask more questions,
you hit the door  ...

-Mike

 

[..]

Conspiracy theories aside... I think when I wear a mask it protects others against me.
I think everyone should wear a mask to the grocery store and such places,
not because of a mandate, but because it probably helps the little old bald
headed lady with cancer (and such folks) feel less exposed while she
motors around the store in her little wheel-chair cart.

I was at the grocery store a couple of days ago, I wore a mask while
I was there. The bald-headed wheel chair lady was there too, going
the wrong way in the isle  ... I went to the un-crowded Georgia guitar
store I like yesterday and didn't wear a mask. It has been real hot
here lately, the last three times I went there I also stopped at this
cool place where I noticed they had a big advertisement for their
iced tea, like they were proud of it or something. I can report
it is very good  ... two out of the three times I stopped
there they said, "all you want is tea?... no charge...". I've been all
around through here lately, often on my Valkyrie... There's several
nice motorcycle roads and all of it is "the country"... Britman would
like the loop  ...



-Mike "posted while Willow was writing his comment..."

Blue Creek has a good reputation in the area.

[hubcapsc]

Done.

Riding motorcycles, playing guitars and drinking sweet tea are inherently good things, Mike.  Not all at the same time.

Since I use a full face helmet, I can only do one each at a time...

-Mike

[Jersey mike]

Ok, so,I took some time and went to the New England Journal of Medicine website

https://www.nejm.org/search?q=hydroxychloroquine+covid+19&asug=H



I read through several articles on tests and testing the conclusion is mostly more testing is needed and most testing is for the most part inconclusive or minimal results for severe patients. Some tests show good results, some show no results but none (that read through) showed bad results. It seemed as though a test to act as a prophylaxis is small but with positive results but disregarded as inconclusive by peers.

Also the dosage levels of the tests were at higher levels than those doctors (in the video) were speaking about. Did it skew the test, maybe. Is HCQ a danger? To most everyone probably not. I did not read of a death caused by taking the medication in the test even at the higher dosage than the (video) doctors were recommending.

[Valkorado]

I read it. Twice. It's accurate. Thanks for posting it.  

It's bullshit.  It's purely opinion fraught with misinformation and with no supporting facts.  I read enough of it to see it is basically a disguised anti-Trump piece.  I'm surprised that Valkorado would promote it.

Be surprised all you want.

Not about "the" article.

But even after reading it a couple times...

Come November 3rd I plan to vote, once again, for our current President.  C-19 is not a top political issue for me, especially considering this novel virus has been an unpredictable thorn in the foot of every nation.

That said I don't think Trump is a fantastic virologist.  I'll leave it at that.  I do think he has been a good president overall, and I certainly do not regret my 2016 vote.

Socialism and the resulting welfare state, redistribution of wealth, financial collapse, a step toward a real loss of rights -- most specifically 2A leading to 1A -- catastrophic "green" deals, rampant unemployment, homeless and anarchists shooting heroin and pooping on sidewalks, burning down buildings, destroying historical monuments and taking over police precincts.  A potential loss of the electoral college and stacking of the supreme court, unbridled and unregulated indoctrination of our youth, increasing military aggression and government investment in advanced weaponry from China, Iran, Russia and others.

All these issues and many others get my voting attention way more than C-19...

This article posted today.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-birx-hydroxychloroquine-remdesivir-covid

[..]

https://blog.argonautcapital.co.uk/articles/2020/07/27/the-biggest-fraud-part-1-the-hocus-science-behind-lockdown/

That list is fairly worthless.

Comparing a virus/disease etc problem with a start and END date to one that is ongoing (Covid 19) proves nothing.

[Valkorado]

668,589 global deaths as of today.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/vmuseum/wp-content/uploads/20180412201334/pandemics.jpg

[scooperhsd]

668,589 global deaths as of today.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/vmuseum/wp-content/uploads/20180412201334/pandemics.jpg

That's still a drop in the ocean compared to 7 BILLION humans on the planet....

[Valkorado]

668,589 global deaths as of today.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/vmuseum/wp-content/uploads/20180412201334/pandemics.jpg

That's still a drop in the ocean compared to 7 BILLION humans on the planet....

You are correct. 

"The Big House" in Michigan has hosted 115,000 at once.

Yes, in the grand scheme of things not spectacular.  Still a boatload of people down in one country over six months.  Each with families.

[Willow]

668,589 global deaths as of today.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/vmuseum/wp-content/uploads/20180412201334/pandemics.jpg

That's still a drop in the ocean compared to 7 BILLION humans on the planet....

You are correct. 

"The Big House" in Michigan has hosted 115,000 at once.

Yes, in the grand scheme of things not spectacular.  Still a boatload of people down in one country over six months.  Each with families.

It is a lot of people.  COVID-19 is a serious illness but the point is that it is simply not as overwhelming as is being presented to us to inspire our panic.

Big numbers get our attention.  Worldwide there are about 391,233 babies born each day.  Each day there are about 164,384 deaths, without COVID-19, in the world.  In view of those numbers 668,000 deaths (exaggerated) over six months doesn't seem so greatly catastrophic for the world's population.  Actually that death rate, averaging 3,660 per day, doesn't even make a dent in the population growth for the time. 

It is serious.  It is marginally deadly.  It doesn't rate the destructive measures we've taken to avoid or control it.

[Valkorado]

668,589 global deaths as of today.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/vmuseum/wp-content/uploads/20180412201334/pandemics.jpg

That's still a drop in the ocean compared to 7 BILLION humans on the planet....

You are correct.  

"The Big House" in Michigan has hosted 115,000 at once.

Yes, in the grand scheme of things not spectacular.  Still a boatload of people down in one country over six months.  Each with families.

It is a lot of people.  COVID-19 is a serious illness but the point is that it is simply not as overwhelming as is being presented to us to inspire our panic.

Big numbers get our attention.  Worldwide there are about 391,233 babies born each day.  Each day there are about 164,384 deaths, without COVID-19, in the world.  In view of those numbers 668,000 deaths (exaggerated) over six months doesn't seem so greatly catastrophic for the world's population.  Actually that death rate, averaging 3,660 per day, doesn't even make a dent in the population growth for the time.  

It is serious.  It is marginally deadly.  It doesn't rate the destructive measures we've taken to avoid or control it.

It's dealy to those it kills, and probably very frightening for them too.  I didn't say it "rates" with or justifies the measures taken.  You say the media outlets are trying to justify "our" panic.  They will may be, but speak for yourself.  I'm not panicked.

[Robert]

It is serious.  It is marginally deadly.  It doesn't rate the destructive measures we've taken to avoid or control it.

YES, absofrigginglutely.

Listening to men make predictions that have been so far off you would think that many would get the idea.

[Jersey mike]

Bristol Motor Speedway hold 162,000 the 3rd largest sports venue in America and 7th in the world.

https://www.checkitofftravel.com/catch-a-race-at-bristol-motor-speedway/

Mourn the dead but life goes on a simple fact of life.

Masks or no masks the virus is floating around and 99% of the people will not die. It sucks to be in that 1% but c’est la vie.