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Apparently she is not a natural born citizen.
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« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2020, 10:58:13 AM » |
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While I'd be happy if California left the union, pretty sure in 1964 Oakland California was, indeed, part of the USA and her birth there, on its' own, bestows the status of Natural Born Citizen upon her...
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« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2020, 11:21:51 AM » |
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While I'd be happy if California left the union, pretty sure in 1964 Oakland California was, indeed, part of the USA and her birth there, on its' own, bestows the status of Natural Born Citizen upon her...
I think the controversy is based on the status of both parents. People will say anything to create drama.
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Apparently she is not a natural born citizen.
I believe a person can be President even if born in this country by C-section.
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« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2020, 12:22:35 PM » |
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I believe a person can be President even if born in this country by C-section. That there is funny, don't care who U are.  That made me consider something else. If, she had been (she wasn't to my knowledge) been born to a surrogate mother anywhere but this country, even if her parents were American citizens, there could be a question as to her qualifications for the office. The possible exception being on a US military installation. Place and Proof of birth is ultimately important. Oh, what a wicked web we weave.  Rams 
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« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2020, 12:56:40 PM » |
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If I understand correctly, her parents were here on visas [ maybe expired] and not citizens. Just because she was born here, does that make her a natural born citizen ?
I tried to make the argument that she was, but others disagreed and made comment of the reasons why including exceptions of the 14th amendment [which I haven't yet found]
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Harken back to the boat people-pick an ethenticity-that IS the Why of those ladies that were pregnant tying so cursed hard to hold off and give birth on the soil of the U S of A. The kids if born on American soil became American Citizens. Least ways that's how I recollect it. RIDE SAFE.
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« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2020, 02:16:05 PM » |
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If I understand correctly, her parents were here on visas [ maybe expired] and not citizens. Just because she was born here, does that make her a natural born citizen ?
I tried to make the argument that she was, but others disagreed and made comment of the reasons why including exceptions of the 14th amendment [which I haven't yet found]
IF, she was born in Oaklawn, CA as advertised, she is a natural born citizen regardless of her parents status. Obviously, her proof would be a certified birth certificate. Rams
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« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2020, 02:28:26 PM » |
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If I understand correctly, her parents were here on visas [ maybe expired] and not citizens. Just because she was born here, does that make her a natural born citizen ?
I tried to make the argument that she was, but others disagreed and made comment of the reasons why including exceptions of the 14th amendment [which I haven't yet found]
IF, she was born in Oaklawn, CA as advertised, she is a natural born citizen regardless of her parents status. Obviously, her proof would be a certified birth certificate. Rams You just KNOW she ain't agonna go to the trouble cuz obama didn't. Seein a tend here? RIDE SAFE.
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« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2020, 02:33:56 PM » |
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If I understand correctly, her parents were here on visas [ maybe expired] and not citizens. Just because she was born here, does that make her a natural born citizen ?
I tried to make the argument that she was, but others disagreed and made comment of the reasons why including exceptions of the 14th amendment [which I haven't yet found]
IF, she was born in Oaklawn, CA as advertised, she is a natural born citizen regardless of her parents status. Obviously, her proof would be a certified birth certificate. Rams You just KNOW she ain't agonna go to the trouble cuz obama didn't. Seein a tend here? RIDE SAFE. I honestly don't believe the "Left" cares if she is a citizen or not. Just as long as she helps remove President Trump. To paraphrase Yoda, "The Hate is Strong in these Leftists!" Rams
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« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2020, 02:36:50 PM » |
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The term anchor babies come to mind.
that is exactly what her and her sister are. check out her sister another piece of work. both were schooled and raised in liberal canada and learned nothing about American history and its values.
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« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2020, 03:04:32 PM » |
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If I understand correctly, her parents were here on visas [ maybe expired] and not citizens. Just because she was born here, does that make her a natural born citizen ?
I tried to make the argument that she was, but others disagreed and made comment of the reasons why including exceptions of the 14th amendment [which I haven't yet found]
IF, she was born in Oaklawn, CA as advertised, she is a natural born citizen regardless of her parents status. Obviously, her proof would be a certified birth certificate. Rams You just KNOW she ain't agonna go to the trouble cuz obama didn't. Seein a tend here? RIDE SAFE. I assume you meant trend ? Yes I do, and it ain't pretty on you guys.
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If I understand correctly, her parents were here on visas [ maybe expired] and not citizens. Just because she was born here, does that make her a natural born citizen ?
I tried to make the argument that she was, but others disagreed and made comment of the reasons why including exceptions of the 14th amendment [which I haven't yet found]
IF, she was born in Oaklawn, CA as advertised, she is a natural born citizen regardless of her parents status. Obviously, her proof would be a certified birth certificate. Rams You just KNOW she ain't agonna go to the trouble cuz obama didn't. Seein a tend here? RIDE SAFE. I assume you meant trend ? Yes I do, and it ain't pretty on you guys. Waaaaaaa. You and Baldo ridicule Trump at every turn so we are supposed to care what you think "ain't pretty". The way she treated Justice Kavanaugh during that scam of a hearing and then kisses up to Biden when he was accused of the same thing tells me all I need to know about that b...h. Not to mention her sleeping her way to the top.
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« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2020, 03:43:49 PM » |
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If I understand correctly, her parents were here on visas [ maybe expired] and not citizens. Just because she was born here, does that make her a natural born citizen ?
I tried to make the argument that she was, but others disagreed and made comment of the reasons why including exceptions of the 14th amendment [which I haven't yet found]
IF, she was born in Oaklawn, CA as advertised, she is a natural born citizen regardless of her parents status. Obviously, her proof would be a certified birth certificate. Rams You just KNOW she ain't agonna go to the trouble cuz obama didn't. Seein a tend here? RIDE SAFE. I assume you meant trend ? Yes I do, and it ain't pretty on you guys. Waaaaaaa. You and Baldo ridicule Trump at every turn so we are supposed to care what you think "ain't pretty". The way she treated Justice Kavanaugh during that scam of a hearing and then kisses up to Biden when he was accused of the same thing tells me all I need to know about that b...h. Not to mention her sleeping her way to the top. ridicule Trump at every ? There is stuff nearly every day that he does that is ripe for ridicule. I hold off pretty well. If you haven't followed the thread or others like it, the subject is not whether she is a bitch, or she slept her way to the top. The subject that some just can't bring themselves to admit is, she is a natural born citizen who is eligible for office. Much the same as Obama was. As I said, it's not pretty on you guys. 
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« Reply #17 on: August 18, 2020, 04:26:31 PM » |
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Anyone else find it kinda interesting that this whole "Kamala Birther" thing was started by the extreme left wing "news" magazine Newsweek? Just seems..... odd......
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Anyone else find it kinda interesting that this whole "Kamala Birther" thing was started by the extreme left wing "news" magazine Newsweek? Just seems..... odd......
Not exactly. It was an op-ed article written by a conservative lawyer. Asked about the matter at the White House on Thursday, Trump told reporters he had “heard” rumors that Harris does not meet the requirement to serve in the White House. The president said he considered the rumors “very serious”.
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« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2020, 04:47:49 PM » |
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Anyone else find it kinda interesting that this whole "Kamala Birther" thing was started by the extreme left wing "news" magazine Newsweek? Just seems..... odd......
Not exactly. It was an op-ed article written by a conservative lawyer. Asked about the matter at the White House on Thursday, Trump told reporters he had “heard” rumors that Harris does not meet the requirement to serve in the White House. The president said he considered the rumors “very serious”. President.
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« Reply #20 on: August 18, 2020, 07:22:53 PM » |
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I ran across that some years ago and about split a gut. Watching it gets me laughing so hard my face hurts and brings tears. Thanks for the reminder. 
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« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2020, 08:27:36 PM » |
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Anyone else find it kinda interesting that this whole "Kamala Birther" thing was started by the extreme left wing "news" magazine Newsweek? Just seems..... odd......
Not exactly. It was an op-ed article written by a conservative lawyer. Asked about the matter at the White House on Thursday, Trump told reporters he had “heard” rumors that Harris does not meet the requirement to serve in the White House. The president said he considered the rumors “very serious”. she is not a "natural born citizen", supreme court has said so. Neither of her parents were/are US Citizens when she was born. In this sense, the Supreme Court of the United States has never applied the term “natural born citizen” to any other category than “those born in the country of parents who are citizens thereof”. https://www.thepostemail.com/2009/10/18/4-supreme-court-cases-define-natural-born-citizen/
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« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2020, 08:45:47 PM » |
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Please do your research and cut the birther argument. It's stupid and it makes you look stupid. The fact that the President doesn't know this is hardly surprising. Here, I'll help you:
Since July 9, 1868, the Citizenship of persons born in the United States has been controlled by the Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution, which states: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
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« Reply #24 on: August 18, 2020, 09:16:19 PM » |
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Please do your research and cut the birther argument. It's stupid and it makes you look stupid. The fact that the President doesn't know this is hardly surprising. Here, I'll help you:
Since July 9, 1868, the Citizenship of persons born in the United States has been controlled by the Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution, which states: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
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please do your research "natural born citizen" is different than what the 14th states. "natural born citizen" is required to be president and requires to be born from American Citizens.
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« Reply #28 on: August 19, 2020, 04:43:45 AM » |
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Please do your research and cut the birther argument. It's stupid and it makes you look stupid. The fact that the President doesn't know this is hardly surprising. Here, I'll help you:
Since July 9, 1868, the Citizenship of persons born in the United States has been controlled by the Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution, which states: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
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please do your research "natural born citizen" is different than what the 14th states. "natural born citizen" is required to be president and requires to be born from American Citizens. This is blatantly wrong. There is NO requirement that the President's parents be American citizens and several Presidents have been born of non citizen parents. Since your computer seems only to be able to access conspiracy theories, I will once again help with your research: In a 2012 New York case, Strunk v. N.Y. State Board of Elections,[4] the pro se plaintiff challenged Barack Obama's presence on the presidential ballot, based on his own interpretation that "natural born citizen" required the president "to have been born on United States soil and have two United States born parents" (emphasis added). To this the Court responded, "Article II, section 1, clause 5 does not state this. No legal authority has ever stated that the Natural Born Citizen clause means what plaintiff Strunk claims it says. ... Moreover, President Obama is the sixth U.S. President to have had one or both of his parents not born on U.S. soil". The opinion then listed Andrew Jackson, James Buchanan, Chester A. Arthur, Woodrow Wilson, and Herbert Hoover. Every president to date was either a citizen at the adoption of the Constitution in 1789 or born in the United States; of the former group, all except one had two parents with citizenship in what would become the U.S. (Andrew Jackson). Of those in the latter group, every president except two (Chester A. Arthur and Barack Obama) had two U.S.-citizen parents. Further, four additional U.S. Presidents had one or both of his U.S.-citizen parents not born on U.S. soil (James Buchanan, Woodrow Wilson, Herbert Hoover, and Donald Trump).[4][6] Ride Safe, Alien
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« Reply #29 on: August 19, 2020, 05:34:52 AM » |
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Please do your research and cut the birther argument. It's stupid and it makes you look stupid. The fact that the President doesn't know this is hardly surprising. Here, I'll help you:
Since July 9, 1868, the Citizenship of persons born in the United States has been controlled by the Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution, which states: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
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please do your research "natural born citizen" is different than what the 14th states. "natural born citizen" is required to be president and requires to be born from American Citizens. This is blatantly wrong. There is NO requirement that the President's parents be American citizens and several Presidents have been born of non citizen parents. Since your computer seems only to be able to access conspiracy theories, I will once again help with your research: In a 2012 New York case, Strunk v. N.Y. State Board of Elections,[4] the pro se plaintiff challenged Barack Obama's presence on the presidential ballot, based on his own interpretation that "natural born citizen" required the president "to have been born on United States soil and have two United States born parents" (emphasis added). To this the Court responded, "Article II, section 1, clause 5 does not state this. No legal authority has ever stated that the Natural Born Citizen clause means what plaintiff Strunk claims it says. ... Moreover, President Obama is the sixth U.S. President to have had one or both of his parents not born on U.S. soil". The opinion then listed Andrew Jackson, James Buchanan, Chester A. Arthur, Woodrow Wilson, and Herbert Hoover. Every president to date was either a citizen at the adoption of the Constitution in 1789 or born in the United States; of the former group, all except one had two parents with citizenship in what would become the U.S. (Andrew Jackson). Of those in the latter group, every president except two (Chester A. Arthur and Barack Obama) had two U.S.-citizen parents. Further, four additional U.S. Presidents had one or both of his U.S.-citizen parents not born on U.S. soil (James Buchanan, Woodrow Wilson, Herbert Hoover, and Donald Trump).[4][6] Ride Safe, Alien Well said.  "Since your computer seems only to be able to access conspiracy theories, I will once again help with your research:" LOLOL
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Right, they've since walked it back, but as everyone knows, once a crazy conspiracy theory is out there (Like the current USPS one) it's hard to stop it... So to discredit the patriotic part of the country Newsweek floats a loony tin foil hat conspiracy theory it give it legs, then to try to save face they "apologize" for it, but now it's out there it won't be stopped...
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Kamala is a street fighter as witnessed by her performance in the debates. But she bowed out fairly early so her appeal is not that high. I could care less about her eligibility, the job at hand is to defeat Joe. This eligibility debate is an unnecessary distraction. She and Joe both have enough baggage to attack in the debates to show the choice we have available to us.
What we are seeing in the actions of the last 4 years is the idea that only career politicians are capable and acceptable to be President. We are also seeing that the government bureaucracies are hard at work to insure the Dems stay in power. Couple that with the news media and it’s no wonder that a candidate like Joe Biden can have a chance to unseat Trump.
I’m confident Trump will prevail because I believe in middle America much more than the blue population centers. The thought of current mindset of the Democrats in the Whitehouse against is too scary to contemplate.
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If the American conception of "natural born citizen" were equivalent to the English notion of a "natural born subject," then it could be argued that only persons born on American soil to American parents would have qualified. Nether Obama nor Kamala qualify, does it matter, no not really. The money Obama spent to keep things going was given to him, just like it will be for Kamala. The corruption in both parties is enough that constitutional norms will never get prosecuted like this example. At the time of his birth, Barack Obama Jr. was both a U.S. citizen (by virtue of being born in Hawaii) and a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (or the UKC) by virtue of being born to a father who was a citizen of the UKC. In the most detailed examination yet of Senator John McCain’s eligibility to be president, a law professor at the University of Arizona has concluded that neither Mr. McCain’s birth in 1936 in the Panama Canal Zone nor the fact that his parents were American citizens is enough to satisfy the constitutional requirement that the president must be a “natural-born citizen.” Under the 14th Amendment's Naturalization Clause and the Supreme Court case of United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 US. 649, anyone born on U.S. soil and subject to its jurisdiction is a natural born citizen, regardless of parental citizenship. This type of citizenship is referred to as birthright citizenship. There is some debate over whether or not one may also be a natural born citizen if, despite a birth on foreign soil, U.S. citizenship immediately passes from the person's parents. https://scholarship.law.georgetown.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1846&context=facpubOur only hope is Trump is reelected and that the Kamala Harris presidency was just a possible nightmare that we avoided. I can only wonder at the ones that would vote for her to be president that they dont own handguns. 8 U.S. Code § 1401 - Nationals and citizens of United States at birth https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1401
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Kamala is a street fighter as witnessed by her performance in the debates. But she bowed out fairly early so her appeal is not that high. I could care less about her eligibility, the job at hand is to defeat Joe. This eligibility debate is an unnecessary distraction. She and Joe both have enough baggage to attack in the debates to show the choice we have available to us.
What we are seeing in the actions of the last 4 years is the idea that only career politicians are capable and acceptable to be President. We are also seeing that the government bureaucracies are hard at work to insure the Dems stay in power. Couple that with the news media and it’s no wonder that a candidate like Joe Biden can have a chance to unseat Trump.
I’m confident Trump will prevail because I believe in middle America much more than the blue population centers. The thought of current mindset of the Democrats in the Whitehouse against is too scary to contemplate.
John, Would love to agree with you. Just not as confident as yourself. Please understand that I am firmly in the Conservative camp and I see no way that I could vote for such corrupt politicians as the Dems are offering but, just as the "anyone but HRC" election of 2016, I'm concerned that the same thing could happen in this election except it's "anyone but our President. The media is definitely on the Leftist side of the aisle. I am not and never have been a fan of our President but, he's done a commendable job (especially when one considers the obstructions the corrupt Dem leadership has put up). While I do agree that the Biden/Harris ticket has a long pedigree of corruption, I don't think most Liberal states give a damn. We have evidence right here on our board of such miss-placed loyalty. Rams
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State Supreme Court agrees that Seattle can’t itself ban guns BUT the mayor has 5 body guards all armed and trained. What is good for the goose is not good for the gander, Typical. Kamala Harris chooses ‘Pioneer’ as her Secret Service code name But when a sanctimonious liberal like Kamala Harris thinks it’s A-OK to have LA police officers fly to San Francisco to serve as her personal security detail at the Pride parade, something’s rotten in California How much does it cost to protect the mayor of a major metropolitan city? In Los Angeles, about $450,000 a year. In Houston, about $339,00 a year. In San Francisco, anywhere between $1 and $72 million.
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Please do your research and cut the birther argument. It's stupid and it makes you look stupid. The fact that the President doesn't know this is hardly surprising. Here, I'll help you:
Since July 9, 1868, the Citizenship of persons born in the United States has been controlled by the Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution, which states: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
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please do your research "natural born citizen" is different than what the 14th states. "natural born citizen" is required to be president and requires to be born from American Citizens. This is blatantly wrong. There is NO requirement that the President's parents be American citizens and several Presidents have been born of non citizen parents. Since your computer seems only to be able to access conspiracy theories, I will once again help with your research: In a 2012 New York case, Strunk v. N.Y. State Board of Elections,[4] the pro se plaintiff challenged Barack Obama's presence on the presidential ballot, based on his own interpretation that "natural born citizen" required the president "to have been born on United States soil and have two United States born parents" (emphasis added). To this the Court responded, "Article II, section 1, clause 5 does not state this. No legal authority has ever stated that the Natural Born Citizen clause means what plaintiff Strunk claims it says. ... Moreover, President Obama is the sixth U.S. President to have had one or both of his parents not born on U.S. soil". The opinion then listed Andrew Jackson, James Buchanan, Chester A. Arthur, Woodrow Wilson, and Herbert Hoover. Every president to date was either a citizen at the adoption of the Constitution in 1789 or born in the United States; of the former group, all except one had two parents with citizenship in what would become the U.S. (Andrew Jackson). Of those in the latter group, every president except two (Chester A. Arthur and Barack Obama) had two U.S.-citizen parents. Further, four additional U.S. Presidents had one or both of his U.S.-citizen parents not born on U.S. soil (James Buchanan, Woodrow Wilson, Herbert Hoover, and Donald Trump).[4][6] Ride Safe, Alien please read it all and understand the law for "natural born citizen" to be president, which she is not per the 14th. she is a us citizen but but "natural born citizen" because her father was not a US citizen. Kamala Harris would have been classified as a foreigner in 1830 and 1884, how can she now be a Natural Born Citizen in 2020? ‘Natural-Born Citizen’ as defined by the very person responsible for the writing of the 14th Amendment, and without a single doubt, knew all about the definitions of the various types of US citizenship, Ohio Representative John Bingham requires 3 things: that you are born within the jurisdiction of the United States, that BOTH parents are citizens of the U.S. either by naturalization OR by being natural born themselves AND that both parents must NOT owe ANY allegiance to ANY FOREIGN country. http://www.usnaturalborncitizen.com/kamalaharris.htmlShe is a native born 14th Amendment US citizen by an act of Congress following the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952. The same laws that were in place when she was born is still in place today. Text of the 14th Amendment Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Nowhere in the 14th does it make one a Natural Born Citizen.Section 5. The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article. This provides the documentation making Harris a 14th Amendment US citizen by an act of Congress. All of the above means she is not eligible to be President. Any notion that California Senator Kamala Harris does not know much about, or underplays her Jamaican heritage was dispelled on a recent visit to South Florida, home to over 100,000 Jamaicans. How can one have a foreign heritage yet be a US Natural Born Citizen? Link So it’s evident Harris’s parents weren’t U.S. citizens at the time of her birth. Thus she is ineligible to the offices of president and vice-president. For both, the Constitution says one must be a “natural born citizen” of the United States, a deliberately higher standard than simple citizenship.As stated in Minor vs. Happersett, by Bingham, Ramsey and in Vattel, to be a natural born citizen one needs to be born on US soil to TWO US CITIZEN PARENTS.
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« Reply #37 on: August 19, 2020, 09:29:42 AM » |
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Please do your research and cut the birther argument. It's stupid and it makes you look stupid. The fact that the President doesn't know this is hardly surprising. Here, I'll help you:
Since July 9, 1868, the Citizenship of persons born in the United States has been controlled by the Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution, which states: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
Ride Safe,
Alien
please do your research "natural born citizen" is different than what the 14th states. "natural born citizen" is required to be president and requires to be born from American Citizens. This is blatantly wrong. There is NO requirement that the President's parents be American citizens and several Presidents have been born of non citizen parents. Since your computer seems only to be able to access conspiracy theories, I will once again help with your research: In a 2012 New York case, Strunk v. N.Y. State Board of Elections,[4] the pro se plaintiff challenged Barack Obama's presence on the presidential ballot, based on his own interpretation that "natural born citizen" required the president "to have been born on United States soil and have two United States born parents" (emphasis added). To this the Court responded, "Article II, section 1, clause 5 does not state this. No legal authority has ever stated that the Natural Born Citizen clause means what plaintiff Strunk claims it says. ... Moreover, President Obama is the sixth U.S. President to have had one or both of his parents not born on U.S. soil". The opinion then listed Andrew Jackson, James Buchanan, Chester A. Arthur, Woodrow Wilson, and Herbert Hoover. Every president to date was either a citizen at the adoption of the Constitution in 1789 or born in the United States; of the former group, all except one had two parents with citizenship in what would become the U.S. (Andrew Jackson). Of those in the latter group, every president except two (Chester A. Arthur and Barack Obama) had two U.S.-citizen parents. Further, four additional U.S. Presidents had one or both of his U.S.-citizen parents not born on U.S. soil (James Buchanan, Woodrow Wilson, Herbert Hoover, and Donald Trump).[4][6] Ride Safe, Alien please read it all and understand the law for "natural born citizen" to be president, which she is not per the 14th. she is a us citizen but but "natural born citizen" because her father was not a US citizen. Kamala Harris would have been classified as a foreigner in 1830 and 1884, how can she now be a Natural Born Citizen in 2020? ‘Natural-Born Citizen’ as defined by the very person responsible for the writing of the 14th Amendment, and without a single doubt, knew all about the definitions of the various types of US citizenship, Ohio Representative John Bingham requires 3 things: that you are born within the jurisdiction of the United States, that BOTH parents are citizens of the U.S. either by naturalization OR by being natural born themselves AND that both parents must NOT owe ANY allegiance to ANY FOREIGN country. http://www.usnaturalborncitizen.com/kamalaharris.htmlShe is a native born 14th Amendment US citizen by an act of Congress following the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952. The same laws that were in place when she was born is still in place today. Text of the 14th Amendment Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Nowhere in the 14th does it make one a Natural Born Citizen.Section 5. The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article. This provides the documentation making Harris a 14th Amendment US citizen by an act of Congress. All of the above means she is not eligible to be President. Any notion that California Senator Kamala Harris does not know much about, or underplays her Jamaican heritage was dispelled on a recent visit to South Florida, home to over 100,000 Jamaicans. How can one have a foreign heritage yet be a US Natural Born Citizen? Link So it’s evident Harris’s parents weren’t U.S. citizens at the time of her birth. Thus she is ineligible to the offices of president and vice-president. For both, the Constitution says one must be a “natural born citizen” of the United States, a deliberately higher standard than simple citizenship.As stated in Minor vs. Happersett, by Bingham, Ramsey and in Vattel, to be a natural born citizen one needs to be born on US soil to TWO US CITIZEN PARENTS. Well, you'd better get on your fastest ride and get down there to Washington to let everyone know they've got it all wrong !!!!!!!! It'll be mighty awkward for everyone involved to find out after they've won! Time is of the essence !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #38 on: August 19, 2020, 10:16:06 AM » |
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I’m confident Trump will prevail because I believe in middle America much more than the blue population centers. The thought of current mindset of the Democrats in the Whitehouse against is too scary to contemplate.
You must be the ONLY one then that is confident. I think it will be a close race but if the mail order votes are done correctly, I think Biden will overthrow Trump. Biden will not last 4 years then get Kamala, lordy lordy... help us now....  I saw wife of Biden on the news this morning with Gail Kim and she asked her what about the mental aspect of Joe Biden. She did NOT answer that question just said they are busy all day long from 9 a.m. to 10 p.m. visiting and meeting with people. What a cop out answer did NOT even address the mental side of her husband.
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« Reply #39 on: August 19, 2020, 10:32:17 AM » |
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How the democrats will mail 300 million ballots when there are so few less voters registered scares me mightily
And putting the party name on the envelope is so f'd up. What happened to secret ballots?
If you can buy toilet paper you can vote at the poll.
If you die you die Wear a mask if you are scared and wear gloves and for that matter put on a condom
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