Say it with me - Puerto Ricans are American citizens!

[Alien]

I cannot believe that Trump and pals keep making this mistake.  They continue to refer to Puerto Rico as a foreign country.  Kimberly Guilfoyle is the latest very stable genius to do this at the RNC.  If you're going to lead Americans, you ought to at least know who they are.

Ride Safe,

Alien

[baldo]

I cannot believe that Trump and pals keep making this mistake.  They continue to refer to Puerto Rico as a foreign country.  Kimberly Guilfoyle is the latest very stable genius to do this at the RNC.  If you're going to lead Americans, you ought to at least know who they are.

Ride Safe,

Alien

You just can't make this stuff up.

[..]

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2017-03-03/are-puerto-ricans-american-citizens


https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/are-puerto-ricans-us-citizens.html

https://www.salon.com/2017/09/28/are-puerto-ricans-really-american-citizens_partner-2/

Etc etc etc

[Rams]

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2017-03-03/are-puerto-ricans-american-citizens


https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/are-puerto-ricans-us-citizens.html

https://www.salon.com/2017/09/28/are-puerto-ricans-really-american-citizens_partner-2/

Etc etc etc

Well, what a wicked web we weave. 

Rams

[f6john]

Well that does it for me, I’m voting for Biden!

[Alien]

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2017-03-03/are-puerto-ricans-american-citizens


https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/are-puerto-ricans-us-citizens.html

https://www.salon.com/2017/09/28/are-puerto-ricans-really-american-citizens_partner-2/

Etc etc etc

I read all three articles.  They all seem to agree that if you are born in Puerto Rico, you are a citizen of the United States.

[Robert]

This is really funny and telling.


The prevailing consensus to this day is in line with White's interpretation – that the Citizenship Clause of the 14th Amendment does not extend to Puerto Rico. Since the Downes ruling, for 116 years, Congress has governed Puerto Rico as a separate and unequal territory.

The Foraker Act at the heart of the Downes case had also imposed Puerto Rican citizenship on persons born in Puerto Rico. People who were born in Spain and residing in Puerto Rico were allowed to retain their Spanish citizenship, acquire Puerto Rican citizenship or U.S. citizenship. Island-born were barred from retaining their Spanish citizenship, the citizenship that they acquired while Puerto Rico was a province of Spain, and from acquiring a U.S. citizenship.

But there was a big problem. At the time, persons seeking to naturalize and become U.S. citizens were required to first renounce their allegiance to a sovereign state. For Puerto Rican citizens, this meant renouncing their allegiance to the U.S. in order to acquire U.S. citizenship. This contradiction effectively barred Puerto Ricans from acquiring U.S. citizenship.

[..]

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2017-03-03/are-puerto-ricans-american-citizens


https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/are-puerto-ricans-us-citizens.html

https://www.salon.com/2017/09/28/are-puerto-ricans-really-american-citizens_partner-2/

Etc etc etc

I read all three articles.  They all seem to agree that if you are born in Puerto Rico, you are a citizen of the United States.

Isn't your claim about "foreign country" what is in question???

Also, is this the $5 argument or the $10 argument? 

[Serk]

Also, is this the $5 argument or the $10 argument? 

No, this is being hit on the head lessons in here.

[Alien]

This is really funny and telling.


The prevailing consensus to this day is in line with White's interpretation – that the Citizenship Clause of the 14th Amendment does not extend to Puerto Rico. Since the Downes ruling, for 116 years, Congress has governed Puerto Rico as a separate and unequal territory.

The Foraker Act at the heart of the Downes case had also imposed Puerto Rican citizenship on persons born in Puerto Rico. People who were born in Spain and residing in Puerto Rico were allowed to retain their Spanish citizenship, acquire Puerto Rican citizenship or U.S. citizenship. Island-born were barred from retaining their Spanish citizenship, the citizenship that they acquired while Puerto Rico was a province of Spain, and from acquiring a U.S. citizenship.

But there was a big problem. At the time, persons seeking to naturalize and become U.S. citizens were required to first renounce their allegiance to a sovereign state. For Puerto Rican citizens, this meant renouncing their allegiance to the U.S. in order to acquire U.S. citizenship. This contradiction effectively barred Puerto Ricans from acquiring U.S. citizenship.

From THE VERY SAME ARTICLE:

It wasn't until 1940 that Congress enacted legislation conferring birthright, or "jus soli," (right of soil) citizenship on persons born in Puerto Rico. Whereas persons born in Puerto Rico prior to 1940 could only acquire a naturalized citizenship if their parents were U.S. citizens, anyone born in Puerto Rico after 1940 acquired a U.S. citizenship as a direct result of being born on Puerto Rican soil. This legislation both amended and replaced the Jones Act. The Nationality Act of 1940 established that Puerto Rico was a part of the United States for citizenship purposes. Since Jan. 13, 1941, birth in Puerto Rico amounts to birth in the United States for citizenship purposes.

[..]

Ah well let's distract about Trump and Kimberly Guilfoyle calling Puerto Rico a foreign country.

Did either of them say Puerto Ricans ARE NOT citizens???

I didn't watch or listen.

[scooperhsd]

Game , Set , and Match to the Alien.

[..]

Game , Set , and Match to the Alien.

Why?

Not my words. Copied from the links I posted that some wont read.


These archives show that U.S. law still describes Puerto Rico as an unincorporated territory that can be selectively treated as a foreign country in a constitutional sense. This contradiction is at the heart of a range of discriminatory laws and policies used to govern Puerto Rico and the more than 3.5 million U.S. citizens living on the island.

[Alien]

Game , Set , and Match to the Alien.

Why?

Not my words. Copied from the links I posted that some wont read.


These archives show that U.S. law still describes Puerto Rico as an unincorporated territory that can be selectively treated as a foreign country in a constitutional sense. This contradiction is at the heart of a range of discriminatory laws and policies used to govern Puerto Rico and the more than 3.5 million U.S. citizens living on the island.

Ok.  So we agree that Puerto Ricans are U.S. citizens?

[..]

Game , Set , and Match to the Alien.

Why?

Not my words. Copied from the links I posted that some wont read.


These archives show that U.S. law still describes Puerto Rico as an unincorporated territory that can be selectively treated as a foreign country in a constitutional sense. This contradiction is at the heart of a range of discriminatory laws and policies used to govern Puerto Rico and the more than 3.5 million U.S. citizens living on the island.

Ok.  So we agree that Puerto Ricans are U.S. citizens?

I didn't say they weren't.

You're putting words in my mouth. Please don't.

[Serk]

People born in Puerto Rico are US Citizens. This is a true statement.
Puerto Rico is not in The United States of America. This is also a true statement.

Puerto Rico is kinda in a strange place, being an unincorporated territory of the USA but not a state, puts them in a sort of limbo situation.

Game , Set , and Match to the Alien.

I took this comment not to say the Alien "won" the argument, but that his goal was to stir crap up, and has succeeded in doing so.

[..]

People born in Puerto Rico are US Citizens. This is a true statement.
Puerto Rico is not in The United States of America. This is also a true statement.

Puerto Rico is kinda in a strange place, being an unincorporated territory of the USA but not a state, puts them in a sort of limbo situation.

Game , Set , and Match to the Alien.

I took this comment not to say the Alien "won" the argument, but that his goal was to stir crap up, and has succeeded in doing so.

Oh!

What else can be accomplished if the uninformed make broad statements?

It's all fun to me.

[Alien]

So, Kimberly Guilfoyle referred to her mother as an immigrant.  Her mother was born in Puerto Rico in 1942, so her mother born an American citizen, although her father was Irish.  She referred to herself as a first generation American.  Her mother was an American, so that's not true.  She's either lying or stupid.  Maybe both.

Either way, she stirred up a lot of anger in the Puerto Rican community by implying that they are not Americans.

[scooperhsd]

Technically, Puerto Rico is a Commonwealth of the United States, not unincorporated territory.

And yes - I meant the Alien won - he beat Robert at being Robert.

[..]

So, Kimberly Guilfoyle referred to her mother as an immigrant.  Her mother was born in Puerto Rico in 1942, so her mother born an American citizen, although her father was Irish.  She referred to herself as a first generation American.  Her mother was an American, so that's not true.  She's either lying or stupid.  Maybe both.

Either way, she stirred up a lot of anger in the Puerto Rican community by implying that they are not Americans.

Try to focus and stay at point.

Back to your claim about the stupidity of the 2 people you mentioned re PR as a foreign country.

[..]

So, Kimberly Guilfoyle referred to her mother as an immigrant.  Her mother was born in Puerto Rico in 1942, so her mother born an American citizen, although her father was Irish.  She referred to herself as a first generation American.  Her mother was an American, so that's not true.  She's either lying or stupid.  Maybe both.

Either way, she stirred up a lot of anger in the Puerto Rican community by implying that they are not Americans.

Where did she say that? Once again I didn't listen or watch. Got a link to her comments about PR's not being citizens?

[..]

I cannot believe that Trump and pals keep making this mistake.  They continue to refer to Puerto Rico as a foreign country.  Kimberly Guilfoyle is the latest very stable genius to do this at the RNC.  If you're going to lead Americans, you ought to at least know who they are.

Ride Safe,

Alien

You just can't make this stuff up.

Seems that the OP did 

[Robert]

People born in Puerto Rico are US Citizens. This is a true statement.
Puerto Rico is not in The United States of America. This is also a true statement.

Puerto Rico is kinda in a strange place, being an unincorporated territory of the USA but not a state, puts them in a sort of limbo situation.

Exactly read the whole article.

You also dont mention that people that come to Puerto Rico are not citizens of the US if they become citizens of Puerto Rico. Only people born on Puerto Rican soil are US citizens.

For the sake of argument the president  stated correctly since the  Downes ruling, for 116 years, Congress has governed Puerto Rico as a separate and unequal territory.

So sorry in the fine print and understanding of the complicated relationship it is not treated nor considered a whole state. 

[Serk]

Where did she say that? Once again I didn't listen or watch. Got a link to her comments about PR's not being citizens?

The actual quote was:

"As a first-generation American, I know how dangerous their socialist agenda is, My mother, Mercedes, was a special education teacher from Aguadilla, Puerto Rico. My father, also an immigrant, came to this nation in pursuit of the American Dream. Now, I consider it my duty to fight to protect that dream."

(Her father, btw is Irish)

[Moonshot_1]

I cannot believe that Trump and pals keep making this mistake.  They continue to refer to Puerto Rico as a foreign country.  Kimberly Guilfoyle is the latest very stable genius to do this at the RNC.  If you're going to lead Americans, you ought to at least know who they are.

Ride Safe,

Alien

So you are claiming Puerto Rico is a State. Has the rights and privileges of a State. That is not true. The citizens have been granted US citizenship status but it remains a separate country which is a territory of the US. Don't know how you can claim it as a State.

[..]

Where did she say that? Once again I didn't listen or watch. Got a link to her comments about PR's not being citizens?

The actual quote was:

"As a first-generation American, I know how dangerous their socialist agenda is, My mother, Mercedes, was a special education teacher from Aguadilla, Puerto Rico. My father, also an immigrant, came to this nation in pursuit of the American Dream. Now, I consider it my duty to fight to protect that dream."

(Her father, btw is Irish)

So no mention of PR's NOT being citizens.

Thanks.

[scooperhsd]

I cannot believe that Trump and pals keep making this mistake.  They continue to refer to Puerto Rico as a foreign country.  Kimberly Guilfoyle is the latest very stable genius to do this at the RNC.  If you're going to lead Americans, you ought to at least know who they are.

Ride Safe,

Alien

So you are claiming Puerto Rico is a State. Has the rights and privileges of a State. That is not true. The citizens have been granted US citizenship status but it remains a separate country which is a territory of the US. Don't know how you can claim it as a State.

Nobody said anything about PR being a state - it is a Commonwealth, whose citizens ARE citizens of the US. There is a movement in PR to be admitted as a State, but so far as I know, that has not happened yet.

[..]

Another classic swoop and poop and I'm no longer interested in going any further down this rabbit hole 

[Moonshot_1]

I cannot believe that Trump and pals keep making this mistake.  They continue to refer to Puerto Rico as a foreign country.  Kimberly Guilfoyle is the latest very stable genius to do this at the RNC.  If you're going to lead Americans, you ought to at least know who they are.

Ride Safe,

Alien

So you are claiming Puerto Rico is a State. Has the rights and privileges of a State. That is not true. The citizens have been granted US citizenship status but it remains a separate country which is a territory of the US. Don't know how you can claim it as a State.

Nobody said anything about PR being a state - it is a Commonwealth, whose citizens ARE citizens of the US. There is a movement in PR to be admitted as a State, but so far as I know, that has not happened yet.

I am just applying the same logic and standards Alien is applying to Guilfoyle.

[Alien]

I cannot believe that Trump and pals keep making this mistake.  They continue to refer to Puerto Rico as a foreign country.  Kimberly Guilfoyle is the latest very stable genius to do this at the RNC.  If you're going to lead Americans, you ought to at least know who they are.

Ride Safe,

Alien

So you are claiming Puerto Rico is a State. Has the rights and privileges of a State. That is not true. The citizens have been granted US citizenship status but it remains a separate country which is a territory of the US. Don't know how you can claim it as a State.

I never said any such thing.

[Alien]

Where did she say that? Once again I didn't listen or watch. Got a link to her comments about PR's not being citizens?

The actual quote was:

"As a first-generation American, I know how dangerous their socialist agenda is, My mother, Mercedes, was a special education teacher from Aguadilla, Puerto Rico. My father, also an immigrant, came to this nation in pursuit of the American Dream. Now, I consider it my duty to fight to protect that dream."

(Her father, btw is Irish)

So no mention of PR's NOT being citizens.
Thanks.

"As a first-generation American (so, she does not consider her mother to be an American), I know how dangerous their socialist agenda is, My mother, Mercedes, was a special education teacher from Aguadilla, Puerto Rico. My father, also an immigrant (here, she defines both of her parents as immigrants even though her mother was born a U.S. citizen), came to this nation in pursuit of the American Dream. Now, I consider it my duty to fight to protect that dream."

[DirtyDan]

I cannot believe that Trump and pals keep making this mistake.  They continue to refer to Puerto Rico as a foreign country.  Kimberly Guilfoyle is the latest very stable genius to do this at the RNC.  If you're going to lead Americans, you ought to at least know who they are.

Ride Safe,

Alien

So you are claiming Puerto Rico is a State. Has the rights and privileges of a State. That is not true. The citizens have been granted US citizenship status but it remains a separate country which is a territory of the US. Don't know how you can claim it as a State.

I never said any such thing.

Did YOU read the title of YOUR post ?

Dan

[Alien]

I cannot believe that Trump and pals keep making this mistake.  They continue to refer to Puerto Rico as a foreign country.  Kimberly Guilfoyle is the latest very stable genius to do this at the RNC.  If you're going to lead Americans, you ought to at least know who they are.

Ride Safe,

Alien

So you are claiming Puerto Rico is a State. Has the rights and privileges of a State. That is not true. The citizens have been granted US citizenship status but it remains a separate country which is a territory of the US. Don't know how you can claim it as a State.

I never said any such thing.

Did YOU read the title of YOUR post ?

Dan

Yes.  "Say it with me - Puerto Ricans are American Citizens"  Nowhere do I claim that Puerto Rico itself is a state.

[Moonshot_1]

I cannot believe that Trump and pals keep making this mistake.  They continue to refer to Puerto Rico as a foreign country.  Kimberly Guilfoyle is the latest very stable genius to do this at the RNC.  If you're going to lead Americans, you ought to at least know who they are.

Ride Safe,

Alien

So you are claiming Puerto Rico is a State. Has the rights and privileges of a State. That is not true. The citizens have been granted US citizenship status but it remains a separate country which is a territory of the US. Don't know how you can claim it as a State.

I never said any such thing.

Did YOU read the title of YOUR post ?

Dan

Yes.  "Say it with me - Puerto Ricans are American Citizens"  Nowhere do I claim that Puerto Rico itself is a state.

You claimed people were claiming it as a foreign country and that they were wrong. If they are wrong then you must believe it is a State.

[Alien]

Puerto Rico is a territory of the United States.  Puerto Ricans are U.S. citizens. You don’t need a passport to fly to Puerto Rico from anywhere within the United States. The island is located within U.S. borders and uses U.S. currency.  Puerto Ricans have among the highest level of U.S. military service in the country.

An independent nation can negotiate treaties and trade deals with other countries, which Puerto Rico cannot. The Supreme Court has recently confirmed that Puerto Rico has no sovereignty.

A country also must be recognized by other countries as an independent nation. Puerto Rico is recognized as a territory of the United States, not as an independent nation.

[Serk]

"Like many other immigrants to this great land, my parents came because of poverty and to attempt to find and secure a better life for themselves and the family that they hoped to have. They largely succeeded. For that, my brother and I are very grateful. The story of that success is what made me and what makes me the Latina that I am. The Latina side of my identity was forged and closely nurtured by my family through our shared experiences and traditions."

But no one tried to raise a big fuss when the future Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor referred to her Puerto Rican parents as immigrants....

Double standards much?

(Source - https://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2009/05/26_sotomayor.shtml )

[Valkorado]

Chasing the breeze...

[Alien]

"Like many other immigrants to this great land, my parents came because of poverty and to attempt to find and secure a better life for themselves and the family that they hoped to have. They largely succeeded. For that, my brother and I are very grateful. The story of that success is what made me and what makes me the Latina that I am. The Latina side of my identity was forged and closely nurtured by my family through our shared experiences and traditions."

But no one tried to raise a big fuss when the future Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor referred to her Puerto Rican parents as immigrants....

Double standards much?

(Source - https://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2009/05/26_sotomayor.shtml )

No double standard.  She was stupid too.

[..]

It's fun to watch someone create an argument so they can argue  

[Moonshot_1]

Puerto Rico is a territory of the United States.  Puerto Ricans are U.S. citizens. You don’t need a passport to fly to Puerto Rico from anywhere within the United States. The island is located within U.S. borders and uses U.S. currency.  Puerto Ricans have among the highest level of U.S. military service in the country.

An independent nation can negotiate treaties and trade deals with other countries, which Puerto Rico cannot. The Supreme Court has recently confirmed that Puerto Rico has no sovereignty.

A country also must be recognized by other countries as an independent nation. Puerto Rico is recognized as a territory of the United States, not as an independent nation.

Well, of course. But you see how easy it is to twist things? I mean you still believe, even after all that, that Puerto Rico is a State. Now I just say this 500 times all day and it will become true.

Guilfoyle speaks of a culture not technical differences or distinctions. And it is from personal experience. It is their (her) perspective of immigrating to the US mainland. So as long as you wish to take her to task over her personal perspective from her personal experience, you will always believe Puerto Rico is a State.

Only fair.