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« Reply #40 on: September 20, 2020, 05:11:11 AM »

Regarding Justice Ginsburg- It can be said she was a Judicial Icon but she diminished her reputation as a jurist by publicly entering the political arena. It actually established her inability to be objective.

As to Merrick Garland - I feel this way now and felt this way then. There was a great disservice committed by denying Garland a hearing. Take the politics and the names  out of it. The President nominates and the Senate advises and confirms. McConnel's actions, while falling under his authority, dishonored the Constitution.

There is an argument that a hearing would have been a "waste of time". The assumption is that a GOP led Senate would not have confirmed him. We don't know that as there was no hearing and no opportunity for Garland to defend his Character or previous decisions.

Both Gorsuch and Kavanaugh said at their Senate hearings that Garland was a great jurist and had great respect for him. That's on the record.

Further, we can assume that the hearing would have been conducted appropriately setting the contemporary standard for such hearings.

In the end Mitch pursued a political narrative in the process and ignored the Constitutional narrative of the process that compels the Senate to do it's duty.

We're supposed to be on the same side folks. The Constitution side.
Agreed. And thank you for saying it. But, I will go even further. Not only did McConnell (and Republican Senators) dishonor the Constitution, they ignored their sworn commitment to defend it. It's a pretty simple concept that the Senate is charged to carry out. Advise and Consent. They did nothing. No discussion, no debate, nothing, squat. The 2016 Senate was not a defender of the Constitution.


https://www.theblaze.com/news/democrats-media-grossly-misrepresent-the-mcconnell-rule-so-what-exactly-is-it

Like the so-called "Biden Rule," the standard that McConnell advocated in 2016 was that a Supreme Court vacancy should not be filled in an election year when the political party that has a majority in the Senate is not the same political party that controls the White House.

"You can disagree with the McConnell rule, which was previously known as the Biden rule, but you should describe it accurately. It's no confirmations in a presidential election year *when senate and presidency are held by different parties.* Doesn't apply this year,"


Also;

https://www.theblaze.com/news/obama-biden-election-year-supreme-court-vacancy

What did Biden say in 2016?

In response to Republicans who vowed to not consider Obama's nominee — Appellate Judge Merrick Garland — Biden said it is acceptable to move forward with Supreme Court hearings even just months before an election.

Biden's comments, made in March 2016, came in response to Republicans citing a speech he delivered in 1992 about election year Supreme Court nominations. He said:

They completely ignore the fact at the time I was speaking of the time of the dangers of nominating an extreme candidate without proper Senate consultation. They completely neglected to quote my unequivocal bottom line. So let me set the record straight as they say. I said, and I quote, "If the president consults and cooperates with the Senate or moderates his selection then nominees may enjoy my support as did Justice Kennedy and Justice Souter."

I made it absolutely clear I would go forward with the confirmation process as chairman, even a few months ahead of a presidential election, if the nominee were chosen with the advise and not merely the consent of the Senate, just as the Constitution requires."
But Biden said on Friday: "Let me be clear: The voters should pick a President, and that President should select a successor to Justice Ginsburg."

What did Obama say in 2016?

Obama stated plainly that the Constitution requires the Senate to consider Supreme Court nominees, declaring that no rule exists stating that such consideration may only happen in non-election years.


And just a follow up;

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/sen-ted-cruz-ginsburg-senate-election

Second, twenty-nine times in our nation’s history we’ve seen a Supreme Court vacancy in an election year or before an inauguration and in every instance, the president proceeded with a nomination.

Nine presidents, including George Washington, Woodrow Wilson, William Taft, and Herbert Hoover, faced with whether to fill a Supreme Court vacancy in an election year, did so before Election Day when their party held the majority in the Senate.

And on nineteen different occasions up to 1968, the president sought to fill a Supreme Court vacancy while his own party controlled the Senate. Nine out of the ten nominations made before Election Day were successfully confirmed, while eight out of the nine nominations made after Election Day were also successfully confirmed.

Three presidents, who had already lost the presidential election, have filled lame-duck Supreme Court vacancies.

When this issue arose in 1992, then-Senator Joe Biden made clear the Senate had the right to proceed. He noted, however, that the Senate should ensure the process is ‘fair’ to the nominee. I believe this Senate can meet the standard of fairness.


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« Reply #41 on: September 20, 2020, 08:43:59 AM »

And now, we’ve circled back to impeachment;

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pelosi-doesnt-rule-out-using-impeachment-as-option-to-stop-trump-supreme-court-pick

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Sunday would not rule out impeachment as an option to stop President Trump’s U.S. Supreme Court pick from being confirmed to the bench, saying Democrats will “use every arrow in our quiver” to block the eventual nominee.

Who’s going to be impeached, The President or the nominee?
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« Reply #42 on: September 20, 2020, 10:04:07 AM »

And now, we’ve circled back to impeachment;

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pelosi-doesnt-rule-out-using-impeachment-as-option-to-stop-trump-supreme-court-pick

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Sunday would not rule out impeachment as an option to stop President Trump’s U.S. Supreme Court pick from being confirmed to the bench, saying Democrats will “use every arrow in our quiver” to block the eventual nominee.

Who’s going to be impeached, The President or the nominee?

Democrats will “use every arrow in our quiver”

Racist to American Injuns. 

What a blithering whackjob idiot.  She needs to go play in traffic. 
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« Reply #43 on: September 20, 2020, 10:24:59 AM »

And now, we’ve circled back to impeachment;

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pelosi-doesnt-rule-out-using-impeachment-as-option-to-stop-trump-supreme-court-pick

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Sunday would not rule out impeachment as an option to stop President Trump’s U.S. Supreme Court pick from being confirmed to the bench, saying Democrats will “use every arrow in our quiver” to block the eventual nominee.

Who’s going to be impeached, The President or the nominee?

Impeach him for doing his job?
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« Reply #44 on: September 20, 2020, 11:36:51 AM »

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Impeach him for doing his job?   

I doubt she sees it that way. Even if she does, she doesn't care. Right or wrong, it's anything to move the agenda forward. It has been shown over and over again.
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« Reply #45 on: September 20, 2020, 11:42:36 AM »

"If the script were being written, this would be the plot-twist that would drop jaws in the theater..."
A contested election AND a deadlocked 4-4 SCOTUS...



She is a very vial person in my opinion.




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« Reply #46 on: September 20, 2020, 02:22:36 PM »

And now, we’ve circled back to impeachment;

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pelosi-doesnt-rule-out-using-impeachment-as-option-to-stop-trump-supreme-court-pick

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Sunday would not rule out impeachment as an option to stop President Trump’s U.S. Supreme Court pick from being confirmed to the bench, saying Democrats will “use every arrow in our quiver” to block the eventual nominee.

Who’s going to be impeached, The President or the nominee?

She doesn't care. Anything to divert attention from the Middle East peace accords etc.

She'll keep stamping her foot until she goes blue in the face.
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« Reply #47 on: September 20, 2020, 03:49:44 PM »

https://www.theblaze.com/news/ruth-bader-ginsburg-calls-court-packing-bad-idea

“But there have been attempts to change the composition of the court. Former President Franklin Delano Roosevelt attempted to pack the court with justices favorable to his political ideology with the Judicial Procedures Reform Bill of 1937 after parts of the New Deal were ruled unconstitutional. His effort ultimately failed.“

“Ginsburg bluntly told NPR that Roosevelt's attempt at Supreme Court reform "was a bad idea."“

“I have heard that there are some people on the Democratic side who would like to increase the number of judges. I think that was a bad idea when President Franklin Delano Roosevelt pack the court. His plan was for every justice who stays on the court past the age of 70, the president would have the authority to nominate another justice. If that plan had been effective, the court's number would have swelled immediately from nine to 15, and the president would have six appointments to make.”

“You mention before the quote of appearing partisan. Well, if anything would make the court appear partisan then it would be that, one side saying, "When we're in power we're going to enlarge the number of judges so we'll have more people who will vote the way we want them to."
"So, I am not at all in-favor of that solution to what I see is a temporary situation," Ginsburg added.“

"There's nothing in the Constitution that says the president stops being president in his last year," Ginsburg said in 2016 after Antonin Scalia's sudden death left the Supreme Court with just eight justices less than one year before the election.”

"Eight is not a good number," she later said.


And there’s also this...

https://www.theblaze.com/news/poll-reveals-majority-of-americans-support-filling-supreme-court-vacancy-in-election-year

“ A majority of Americans support filling a Supreme Court vacancy during an election year, according to a poll taken just days before Ruth Bader Ginsburg died.”

“ The Marquette University poll found that two-thirds of American adults — a whopping 67% — support conducting the Supreme Court confirmation process during an election year, while just 32% of respondents said they oppose it.”

“Among political parties, 68% of Republicans, 63% of Democrats, and 71% of Independents said they support holding hearings during an election year.“

“There was, however, significant partisan disagreement over whether blocking Merrick Garland's nomination to the Supreme Court was the right thing to do.”


What about court-packing?

“The poll found that Republicans and Independents — 65% and 58%, respectively — overwhelmingly "oppose" or "strongly oppose" altering the composition of the Supreme Court to pack it with ideological judges.“

“Perhaps unsurprisingly, the poll also found that a majority of Democrats — 61% — support court-packing.“

“In alignment with that sentiment, Democrats are now threatening court-packing as retaliation over Trump filling the Supreme Court vacancy in an election year. Democrats say that, once their party regains control of the White House and Senate, they will both expand the number of Supreme Court justices and appoint all ideologically liberal justices.“

“Not only are they threatening to pack the court, but House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Sunday refused to rule out impeachment as another retaliatory measure if Trump successfully appoints his third justice to the court.“
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« Reply #48 on: September 20, 2020, 04:34:05 PM »

https://www.foxnews.com/media/black-voices-for-trump-board-member-ginsburg-was-confirmed-in-fewer-days-than-trump-has-until-election
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« Reply #49 on: September 20, 2020, 06:16:17 PM »

This looks like the likely nomination to replace RBG.

Just an outstanding choice, and already vetted during the Kavanaugh lying circus.

Trump nominated her for the 7th Circuit in 2017 and the senate voted her in 55-43.

Amy Coney Barrett


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Coney_Barrett

She is a practicing Catholic, married with 5 kids (one special needs), and adopted 2 Haitian kids.  
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« Reply #50 on: September 20, 2020, 06:51:36 PM »

Sadly the wrong woman died

The daughter of the mob boss still lives

Someone throw a bucket of water on her so the witch will melt
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« Reply #51 on: September 20, 2020, 07:01:14 PM »

Sadly the wrong woman died

The daughter of the mob boss still lives

Someone throw a bucket of water on her so the witch will melt

Truer words were never spoken....
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« Reply #52 on: September 20, 2020, 07:49:28 PM »

I like diane sykes for nomination also

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« Reply #53 on: September 20, 2020, 08:52:02 PM »

Sadly the wrong woman died

The daughter of the mob boss still lives

Someone throw a bucket of water on her so the witch will melt

WTF
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« Reply #54 on: September 21, 2020, 03:49:26 AM »

Sadly the wrong woman died

The daughter of the mob boss still lives

Someone throw a bucket of water on her so the witch will melt

WTF
I think what he stated was very clear.  coolsmiley
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« Reply #55 on: September 21, 2020, 04:07:12 AM »

This looks like the likely nomination to replace RBG.

Just an outstanding choice, and already vetted during the Kavanaugh lying circus.

Trump nominated her for the 7th Circuit in 2017 and the senate voted her in 55-43.

Amy Coney Barrett


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Coney_Barrett

She is a practicing Catholic, married with 5 kids (one special needs), and adopted 2 Haitian kids.  

It's going to be hard for the left to play the sexual harassment card against her.
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« Reply #56 on: September 21, 2020, 06:30:20 AM »

This looks like the likely nomination to replace RBG.

Just an outstanding choice, and already vetted during the Kavanaugh lying circus.

Trump nominated her for the 7th Circuit in 2017 and the senate voted her in 55-43.

Amy Coney Barrett


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Coney_Barrett

She is a practicing Catholic, married with 5 kids (one special needs), and adopted 2 Haitian kids. 

If the Wikipedia article is substantially correct, she looks like a solid nominee.
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« Reply #57 on: September 22, 2020, 08:14:36 AM »

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/amy-coney-barrett-pick-ruth-bader-ginsburg-sohrab-ahmari

“ Ginsburg believed fervently that conventional expectations shouldn’t hinder women as they seek their full, fair share of public life. Nor was she shy about how her Jewish faith shaped her judicial mind. In an essay for the American Jewish Committee published in 1993, she wrote: “Laws as protectors of the oppressed, the poor, the loner, is evident in the work of my Jewish predecessors. . . . The biblical command ‘Justice, justice shalt thou pursue’ is a strand that ties them together.””

“ By those criteria, Barrett would make a most worthy successor to RBG. In nominating the 48-year-old Louisianian, the president would present the nation with an inspiring vision of what it means to be an American woman in 2020 — one that could by turns surprise and captivate the suburban women Trump is keen to court while also delivering for the GOP base.“

“Amy represents an opportunity to showcase a generationally brilliant, special intellect — who also is a mom,” says O. Carter Snead, Barrett’s longtime faculty colleague at the Notre Dame law school, where Barrett also received her law degree.”

“ Harvard Law School prof Noah Feldman — a liberal who testified before Congress in favor of ­impeaching the president — hailed her as “a truly brilliant lawyer” in a 2018 column. Feldman should know. He and Barrett were members of the same class of Supreme Court clerks in 1998.”

“She was one of the two best lawyers” of the 40 clerks “and arguably the single best.” Feldman concluded: “She was legally prepared enough to go on the court 20 years ago.”

“ When Trump nominated Barrett to the Seventh Circuit, every single one of those 40 fellow clerks endorsed her as a “first-rate” thinker, ­including such vehemently anti-Trump figures as Neal Katyal, solicitor general under Team Obama. The entire Notre Dame law faculty likewise endorsed her, “and that includes people who identify as liberal,” as Snead was quick to note.”

“ She is recognized as an expert on how judges are supposed to interpret statutes — a crucial role, as demonstrated by Justice Neil Gorsuch’s bizarre recent reading of “gender identity” into a civil-rights statute enacted in the 1960s. She has also thought deeply about the relationship between the branches of government, a gnarly and seriously important area of law.”

“ The inherent dignity of all life is no mere slogan or academic concept for Barrett. Perhaps a large family like hers is unusual for a woman of Barrett’s social class and profession. Then again, as one highly accomplished lawyer put it in 2007, it’s “good for the public to see that women come in all sizes and shapes, just as men do, and they don’t necessarily look alike or think alike.”

“That lawyer was Ruth Bader Ginsburg.”

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« Reply #58 on: September 22, 2020, 01:16:38 PM »

Not so fast

https://babylonbee.com/news/ninth-circuit-court-overturns-death-of-ruth-bader-ginsburg

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« Reply #59 on: September 22, 2020, 01:48:02 PM »

This looks like the likely nomination to replace RBG.

Just an outstanding choice, and already vetted during the Kavanaugh lying circus.

Trump nominated her for the 7th Circuit in 2017 and the senate voted her in 55-43.

Amy Coney Barrett


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Coney_Barrett

She is a practicing Catholic, married with 5 kids (one special needs), and adopted 2 Haitian kids.  

It's going to be hard for the left to play the sexual harassment card against her.

Yeah, but they still have the honkey card, straight card, Christian card, big family card, conservative woman card, why does she look so happy card, and she'll follow the constitution as written. Not one dem will vote for her.
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« Reply #60 on: September 22, 2020, 02:46:16 PM »

Yeah, but they still have the honkey card, straight card, Christian card, big family card, conservative woman card, why does she look so happy card, and she'll follow the constitution as written. Not one dem will vote for her.

Yes, but fortunately they don't need democrat's votes.  They just need to retain all or almost all of the republican votes.   Smiley
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« Reply #61 on: September 22, 2020, 02:55:48 PM »

Yeah, but they still have the honkey card, straight card, Christian card, big family card, conservative woman card, why does she look so happy card, and she'll follow the constitution as written. Not one dem will vote for her.

Yes, but fortunately they don't need democrat's votes.  They just need to retain all or almost all of the republican votes.   Smiley

It would just be nice to see a glimmer of decency out of that side, but I guess not.
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« Reply #62 on: September 22, 2020, 04:57:58 PM »

Gotta love a great, honest politician that also has an awesome sense of humor!

So the Babylon Bee wrote this article:

https://babylonbee.com/news/new-unknown-female-judge-tedina-cruzette-emerges-as-possible-trump-supreme-court-pick/

And instead of being triggered, offended, mad, whatever, Senator Cruz shared the article himself!  Grin  Grin  Grin

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« Reply #63 on: September 22, 2020, 05:54:48 PM »


Haha.  Gotta love the Bee.
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« Reply #64 on: September 22, 2020, 05:58:22 PM »

Gotta love a great, honest politician that also has an awesome sense of humor!

So the Babylon Bee wrote this article:

https://babylonbee.com/news/new-unknown-female-judge-tedina-cruzette-emerges-as-possible-trump-supreme-court-pick/

And instead of being triggered, offended, mad, whatever, Senator Cruz shared the article himself!  Grin  Grin  Grin



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« Reply #65 on: September 25, 2020, 01:14:50 PM »

This looks like the likely nomination to replace RBG.

Just an outstanding choice, and already vetted during the Kavanaugh lying circus.

Trump nominated her for the 7th Circuit in 2017 and the senate voted her in 55-43.

Amy Coney Barrett


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Coney_Barrett

She is a practicing Catholic, married with 5 kids (one special needs), and adopted 2 Haitian kids.  

It's going to be hard for the left to play the sexual harassment card against her.

This got me to thinking, during the Kavanaugh hearings, it was clear that the Dems were out for blood and would do anything to deny Kavanaugh a seat at the bench and kept Judge Kavanaugh on the defense the whole time.   

While it may not be a sound logic, I was wishing the Trump administration had done some investigation of the Dems who were nipping at Judge Kavanaugh heels and had provided him with some of their backgrounds.   When questioned about the allegations, he could have always responded with something like, Sir, I didn't do as as your witness accuses me no more than what you were accused of with little Susie Que back in high school.   Remember her?

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« Reply #66 on: September 25, 2020, 02:07:53 PM »

Nicely Machiavellian as that is, it would not work.

Besides, I think this good woman would not (stoop to) do it. 

Though, we may very likely see what kind of metal (and intelligence) she has when they inevitably contend a Catholic judge cannot separate church and state on the bench.

One big advantage here is that if they go to far, they are going to piss women off (or at least many more than they would want). 
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« Reply #67 on: September 25, 2020, 02:50:35 PM »

Nicely Machiavellian as that is, it would not work.

Besides, I think this good woman would not (stoop to) do it. 

Though, we may very likely see what kind of metal (and intelligence) she has when they inevitably contend a Catholic judge cannot separate church and state on the bench.

One big advantage here is that if they go to far, they are going to piss women off (or at least many more than they would want). 

It might not work but, we all know she won't get a Dem vote and if the nominee were to do that one time to one of the nippers, all the others would think first before they bit.    Don't care who you are, we've all got a past and my bet is, there's something in everyone's past they would rather not discuss in a public forum.   That is (unfortunately) not the case for the nominee.

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« Reply #68 on: September 25, 2020, 07:13:24 PM »

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Didn't we go through this with JFK as a Presidential candidate? Oh yeah, he was a Dem. and history has been rewritten.
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« Reply #69 on: September 25, 2020, 08:23:43 PM »

If she is nominated and
If she extolls the bravery of RBG
You will see Democratic heads explode

A woman can cut a man to ribbons with her tongue and still be classy and smart and not a beech

And it is a shame she would not get to eviscerate Pelosi or AOC as they are not in the Senate

Still like the chances of the Hispanic Justice as it may not be Judge Amy

We will see tomorrow night I suppose
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« Reply #70 on: September 26, 2020, 11:12:43 AM »

Well, here is a "Plan" or at least some say it is "the plan".

SCOTUS Rapid Response Action Guide
September 24, 2020


https://docs.google.com/document/d/17F6RSRNp_L3ihulD1WgdPbBugK2XXX2lsO6JqK207o0/mobilebasic
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« Reply #71 on: September 26, 2020, 12:53:55 PM »

Well, here is a "Plan" or at least some say it is "the plan".

SCOTUS Rapid Response Action Guide
September 24, 2020


https://docs.google.com/document/d/17F6RSRNp_L3ihulD1WgdPbBugK2XXX2lsO6JqK207o0/mobilebasic

Went to the linked site and filled out the form to hold an event.   Thanked them for providing guidance on how to hold such an event.   Named the event MAGA.   Will see what their response it.  Wink

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« Reply #72 on: September 26, 2020, 01:22:37 PM »

Went to the linked site and filled out the form to hold an event.   Thanked them for providing guidance on how to hold such an event.   Named the event MAGA.   Will see what their response it.  Wink

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« Reply #73 on: September 26, 2020, 01:59:57 PM »

Some just can't help themselves. uglystupid2

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8775629/Bill-Maher-calls-Amy-Coney-Barrett-f-ing-nut-speaking-tongues-Catholic.html

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« Reply #74 on: September 26, 2020, 02:08:09 PM »

So my question; is it usual or acceptable for Jewish burial, to lay out on public display for a few days (embalmed)?
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« Reply #75 on: September 26, 2020, 03:03:39 PM »



And then there’s this;

https://www.theblaze.com/news/leftists-attack-amy-coney-barrett-for-adopting-children
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« Reply #76 on: September 26, 2020, 03:11:11 PM »

Jess the answer is no

If a person dies on Friday (there are no burials during Sabbath) the next day Sunday is when the burial will take place.    Bodies are kept on ice not cremated.

Perhaps her family wanted the honor of laying in State more than they cared to follow the scripture

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« Reply #77 on: September 26, 2020, 03:58:35 PM »

It's official - Judge Amy Coney Barrett is Trump's nominee to fill RBG's seat on the bench.
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« Reply #78 on: September 26, 2020, 04:46:09 PM »

It's official - Judge Amy Coney Barrett is Trump's nominee to fill RBG's seat on the bench.

Like sands through the hour glass, so go the days of our lives.  Wink

And the pendulum swings back to the right.   2funny

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« Reply #79 on: September 26, 2020, 04:46:56 PM »

I'm not sure I'm ever going to be up to watching another senate confirmation again.

But like a moth to the flame..... Lay on, Macduff, And cursed be him that first cries, “Hold, enough"!

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