Trump + 4 COVID

[DirtyDan]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/top-white-house-official-tests-003056372.html

Dan

[f6gal]

And Melania.  Prayers for them both. 

[Alien]

Much as I don't like the man, I would not wish that virus on anyone.  The fact that Hope Hicks was at the debate, not wearing a mask likely means that everyone there was exposed and is possibly infected.  If Biden also tests positive, then what?  They are both elderly men with risk factors.  This is not good.

This is why you wear a mask.

[Rams]

Much as I don't like the man, I would not wish that virus on anyone.  The fact that Hope Hicks was at the debate, not wearing a mask likely means that everyone there was exposed and is possibly infected.  If Biden also tests positive, then what?  They are both elderly men with risk factors.  This is not good.

This is why you wear a mask.  

While I agree with you on the masking up, the social distancing and hand washing, I believe this goes to prove that no one is actually protected from this virus.    

You're very correct about both being in the higher risk category due to age.   Not sure about other risk factors either candidate may face.  

Makes one consider seriously who the VP is going to be...............  There's a scary thought..

Rams

[Oss]

Hydroxy  zinc and zpac and they are in my prayers

[Robert]

They are in my prayers also, the timing is uncanny. I wonder what the next 2 weeks will bring.

[Alien]

It's concievable that we could reach the election with one or both candidates gravely ill.  Worse, one or both of them could pass away.  Either of them could lose a spouse or other family member that they unknowingly exposed.  This year is a dumpster fire.

THIS IS WHY YOU WEAR A MASK.

[Rams]

Hydroxy  zinc and zpac and they are in my prayers

Hopefully those have a positive effect.   I'm not qualified to say yea or nay.

I'm still hoping for that "promised" vaccine.  They say that what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
Not sure I like the odds at this point in my life. 

Rams

[Alien]

They are in my prayers also, the timing is uncanny. I wonder what the next 2 weeks will bring.

Robert, what do you mean by the timing being uncanny? (I think I know what you mean but I'm really hoping I'm wrong)

[Patrick]

This is kinda surprising considering how often they are tested. I'm hoping its a false positive, I think that happens more often than anyone wants to admit.




Someone brought this up on another forum and they want to lynch him for going off topic, must be Biden fans.

[98valk]

Much as I don't like the man, I would not wish that virus on anyone.  The fact that Hope Hicks was at the debate, not wearing a mask likely means that everyone there was exposed and is possibly infected.  If Biden also tests positive, then what?  They are both elderly men with risk factors.  This is not good.

This is why you wear a mask.

    mask do nothing except make people feel good with their emotions.

https://www.technocracy.news/masks-are-neither-effective-nor-safe-a-summary-of-the-science/

https://fee.org/articles/europes-top-health-officials-say-masks-arent-helpful-in-beating-covid-19/

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/05/29/nolte-the-science-turns-against-americas-mask-fascists/

[Jersey mike]

People are jumping all over The President from the other side with posts on social media.

It’s just a positive test.

He may not be a cashier in a supermarket with dozens upon dozens of people walking by on a daily basis but he’s  probably one of the busiest people in the country and sees more than his fair share of people on a daily basis.

I don’t know if him and Biden were tested prior to the debate. I would think it may be a possibility.

[Alien]

People are jumping all over The President from the other side with posts on social media.

It’s just a positive test.

He may not be a cashier in a supermarket with dozens upon dozens of people walking by on a daily basis but he’s  probably one of the busiest people in the country and sees more than his fair share of people on a daily basis.

I don’t know if him and Biden were tested prior to the debate. I would think it may be a possibility.

I think I read that everyone there, including the candidates were tested.  Also, I've read that everyone in the White House is tested daily.  However, there is a 3-7 day lag time between initial exposure and when enough of the virus is present in a person for them to test positive.

[The emperor has no clothes]

People are jumping all over The President from the other side with posts on social media.

It’s just a positive test.

He may not be a cashier in a supermarket with dozens upon dozens of people walking by on a daily basis but he’s  probably one of the busiest people in the country and sees more than his fair share of people on a daily basis.

I don’t know if him and Biden were tested prior to the debate. I would think it may be a possibility.

Here we are 9 months into this, and so many people are still ill informed about this pandemic.  

[The emperor has no clothes]

People are jumping all over The President from the other side with posts on social media.

It’s just a positive test.

He may not be a cashier in a supermarket with dozens upon dozens of people walking by on a daily basis but he’s  probably one of the busiest people in the country and sees more than his fair share of people on a daily basis.

I don’t know if him and Biden were tested prior to the debate. I would think it may be a possibility.

I think I read that everyone there, including the candidates were tested.  Also, I've read that everyone in the White House is tested daily.  However, there is a 3-7 day lag time between initial exposure and when enough of the virus is present in a person for them to test positive.

And when you have nearly everyone running around without masks, it was inevitable. How many were contaminated out in the country from his recent rallies ? I hope Baron is not infected. I hope everyone who is infected pulls thru ok. The odds are they will. The odds also show some may die.


God help us all.

[Alien]

People are jumping all over The President from the other side with posts on social media.

It’s just a positive test.

He may not be a cashier in a supermarket with dozens upon dozens of people walking by on a daily basis but he’s  probably one of the busiest people in the country and sees more than his fair share of people on a daily basis.

I don’t know if him and Biden were tested prior to the debate. I would think it may be a possibility.

I think I read that everyone there, including the candidates were tested.  Also, I've read that everyone in the White House is tested daily.  However, there is a 3-7 day lag time between initial exposure and when enough of the virus is present in a person for them to test positive.

And when you have nearly everyone running around without masks, it was inevitable. How many were contaminated out in the country from his recent rallies ? I hope Baron is not infected. I hope everyone who is infected pulls thru ok. The odds are they will. The odds also show some may die.


God help us all.

Exactly.  Also the Secret Service who stay close to him and their families.  The ripple effect could jeopardize a lot of people.

[98valk]

People are jumping all over The President from the other side with posts on social media.

It’s just a positive test.

He may not be a cashier in a supermarket with dozens upon dozens of people walking by on a daily basis but he’s  probably one of the busiest people in the country and sees more than his fair share of people on a daily basis.

I don’t know if him and Biden were tested prior to the debate. I would think it may be a possibility.

I think I read that everyone there, including the candidates were tested.  Also, I've read that everyone in the White House is tested daily.  However, there is a 3-7 day lag time between initial exposure and when enough of the virus is present in a person for them to test positive.

And when you have nearly everyone running around without masks, it was inevitable. How many were contaminated out in the country from his recent rallies ? I hope Baron is not infected. I hope everyone who is infected pulls thru ok. The odds are they will. The odds also show some may die.


God help us all.

the test being used was never intended to be used that way. it fake and false results.

https://www.weblyf.com/2020/05/the-truth-about-pcr-test-kit-from-the-inventor-and-other-experts/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUmJxoNdRik&feature=youtu.be

NY TIMES: Up to 90% Who’ve Tested COVID-Positive Wrongly Diagnosed! TRUTH: A Whole Lot Worse!
https://www.redstate.com/michael_thau/2020/09/03/ny-times-up-to-90-of-people-who-tested-positive-for-c19-not-infected-truth-a-whole-lot-worse-pt-3/

[The emperor has no clothes]

People are jumping all over The President from the other side with posts on social media.

It’s just a positive test.

He may not be a cashier in a supermarket with dozens upon dozens of people walking by on a daily basis but he’s  probably one of the busiest people in the country and sees more than his fair share of people on a daily basis.

I don’t know if him and Biden were tested prior to the debate. I would think it may be a possibility.

I think I read that everyone there, including the candidates were tested.  Also, I've read that everyone in the White House is tested daily.  However, there is a 3-7 day lag time between initial exposure and when enough of the virus is present in a person for them to test positive.

And when you have nearly everyone running around without masks, it was inevitable. How many were contaminated out in the country from his recent rallies ? I hope Baron is not infected. I hope everyone who is infected pulls thru ok. The odds are they will. The odds also show some may die.


God help us all.

Exactly.  Also the Secret Service who stay close to him and their families.  The ripple effect could jeopardize a lot of people.

Not could. Already has.   I might have to take a day off from the forum. I can already see this getting totally feudal here. How sad has it become that 3 world countries can figure out to wear masks, yet the greatest country in history, cannot.

[Alien]

People are jumping all over The President from the other side with posts on social media.

It’s just a positive test.

He may not be a cashier in a supermarket with dozens upon dozens of people walking by on a daily basis but he’s  probably one of the busiest people in the country and sees more than his fair share of people on a daily basis.

I don’t know if him and Biden were tested prior to the debate. I would think it may be a possibility.

I think I read that everyone there, including the candidates were tested.  Also, I've read that everyone in the White House is tested daily.  However, there is a 3-7 day lag time between initial exposure and when enough of the virus is present in a person for them to test positive.

And when you have nearly everyone running around without masks, it was inevitable. How many were contaminated out in the country from his recent rallies ? I hope Baron is not infected. I hope everyone who is infected pulls thru ok. The odds are they will. The odds also show some may die.


God help us all.

Exactly.  Also the Secret Service who stay close to him and their families.  The ripple effect could jeopardize a lot of people.

Not could. Already has.   I might have to take a day off from the forum. I can already see this getting totally feudal here. How sad has it become that 3 world countries can figure out to wear masks, yet the greatest country in history, cannot.

I really don't know.

[Alien]

People are jumping all over The President from the other side with posts on social media.

It’s just a positive test.

He may not be a cashier in a supermarket with dozens upon dozens of people walking by on a daily basis but he’s  probably one of the busiest people in the country and sees more than his fair share of people on a daily basis.

I don’t know if him and Biden were tested prior to the debate. I would think it may be a possibility.

I think I read that everyone there, including the candidates were tested.  Also, I've read that everyone in the White House is tested daily.  However, there is a 3-7 day lag time between initial exposure and when enough of the virus is present in a person for them to test positive.

And when you have nearly everyone running around without masks, it was inevitable. How many were contaminated out in the country from his recent rallies ? I hope Baron is not infected. I hope everyone who is infected pulls thru ok. The odds are they will. The odds also show some may die.


God help us all.

the test being used was never intended to be used that way. it fake and false results.

https://www.weblyf.com/2020/05/the-truth-about-pcr-test-kit-from-the-inventor-and-other-experts/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUmJxoNdRik&feature=youtu.be

NY TIMES: Up to 90% Who’ve Tested COVID-Positive Wrongly Diagnosed! TRUTH: A Whole Lot Worse!
https://www.redstate.com/michael_thau/2020/09/03/ny-times-up-to-90-of-people-who-tested-positive-for-c19-not-infected-truth-a-whole-lot-worse-pt-3/

So, you disagree with the President's test results, Doctor?

[f6john]

You guys sure put a lot of faith in masks. That’s ok if that is where your comfort zone lies. I have faith that Trump and Melania will come out the other side ok. It’s inconvenient but I have felt that Trump needs a real break. I don’t think there is a person on this board who could keep up with his schedule. He seems to thrive on the pace but sooner or later you have to take a break??? I think that Biden has been wise (or his handlers) to keep a low profile because he doesn’t appear to be in near as good health as Trump given their age.

My interest will lie in the reactions to His diagnoses and the media response/coverage. One thing you can the sure of the Christian voters will be praying diligently for the health and well being of Trump and his family along with the health and well-being of the country.

[Alien]

I think even those of us who greatly dislike him wish him and his wife a full recovery.  I hope that once he recovers, he takes the virus more seriously.

[Willow]

A couple of things are wrongly stated or implied in this discussion.

First, even the "experts" say that a mask is only effective when one (the infected one) is within six feet of a potential.  Everyone at the debate was at risk?  That is an incredibly stupid assumption.

Secondly, neither of the presidential candidates are in the highest risk category.  Even if one of them were highest risk the chances of recovery are still 85%.  Eighty-five percent!  If I were buying stocks and saw one with that chance of growth I would be all over it.

One point has been made that is certainly correct.  No one is exempt.  It will get around and people will get it.  Unless you have hidden yourself in a bubble (sounds like the theme for a movie) you will be exposed.

The majority of people who catch this disease do not experience severe symptoms.

Please, if you are smart enough, stop letting the media panic do your thinking for you.  

[Valkorado]

You guys sure put a lot of faith in masks. That’s ok if that is where your comfort zone lies. I have faith that Trump and Melania will come out the other side ok. It’s inconvenient but I have felt that Trump needs a real break. I don’t think there is a person on this board who could keep up with his schedule. He seems to thrive on the pace but sooner or later you have to take a break??? I think that Biden has been wise (or his handlers) to keep a low profile because he doesn’t appear to be in near as good health as Trump given their age.

My interest will lie in the reactions to His diagnoses and the media response/coverage. One thing you can the sure of the Christian voters will be praying diligently for the health and well being of Trump and his family along with the health and well-being of the country.

You sure put a lot of pooh-pooh on masking.  That's OK if that's where your comfort zone lies.  I'm also not so sure that acquiring COVID is like taking a restful, relaxing break.

Prayers out for the President and First Lady.

[Alien]

A couple of things are wrongly stated or implied in this discussion.

First, even the "experts" say that a mask is only effective when one (the infected one) is within six feet of a potential.  Everyone at the debate was at risk?  That is an incredibly stupid assumption.

Secondly, neither of the presidential candidates are in the highest risk category.  Even if one of them were highest risk the chances of recovery are still 85%.  Eighty-five percent!  If I were buying stocks and saw one with that chance of growth I would be all over it.

One point has been made that is certainly correct.  No one is exempt.  It will get around and people will get it.  Unless you have hidden yourself in a bubble (sounds like the theme for a movie) you will be exposed.

The majority of people who catch this disease do not experience severe symptoms.

Please, if you are smart enough, stop letting the media panic do your thinking for you.  

I won't even bother to argue with you about masks Willow. It's quite clear how you feel about them and there's no talking to you about it.

However, as the virus takes some time to become detectable and even longer for in infected person to become symptomatic, it is indeed very likely that Ms. Hicks spread it to more than just POTUS and FLOTUS.  

We shall see how this plays out.  We shall see which assumptions turn out to be "incredibly stupid."

[Willow]

I think even those of us who greatly dislike him wish him and his wife a full recovery.  I hope that once he recovers, he takes the virus more seriously.

This is another thing that really grates on me.  Simply because the President didn't get on board with the Chicken Littles of the media he is accused of not taking the virus seriously or "downplaying" the possibilities.  Actually he has taken it quite seriously as he has put together the task force deal deal with it nationally and seek solutions (or at least some mitigations).  He has personally pursued and supported the development of a COVID-19 vaccine.  What he hasn't done, I guess, that has displeased so many of his haters is proclaim a national mandate that everyone retreat screaming, "The sky is falling."

It's serious enough that we need to be washing our hands regularly and learning to touch our nose, mouth, and eyes less frequently.  We need to be aware personally when we've been in a situation that calls for a washing or sanitizing of our hands.  I am pleased to see eateries cleansing tables between customers.

I've heard people say we can't get back to normal until we get this virus under control.   Really?  Do we really have the seasonal flu under control?  It kills every year.  I think we do have polio relatively under control but that is not the same, is it?

If these mitigation measures have had an impact it is only to slow the spread.  Slowing the spread in some areas does have an advantage toward hospital use.  Slowing the spread does have one negative effect in that it lengthens the period of time that the virus will be at it highest level of spread.

Do what you feel you need to do to make yourself safer.  The government, at any level, has no business dictating to the population at large what they have to do to avoid this virus.  

[Willow]

I won't even bother to argue with you about masks Willow. It's quite clear how you feel about them and there's no talking to you about it.

However, as the virus takes some time to become detectable and even longer for in infected person to become symptomatic, it is indeed very likely that Ms. Hicks spread it to more than just POTUS and FLOTUS.  

We shall see how this plays out.  We shall see which assumptions turn out to be "incredibly stupid."

Wow!  That was quite a jump!  You went from everyone at the debate was at risk to we'll see if more than the President and First Lady were affected.

As far as how long it takes to become detectable, are there any experts that claim enough of the virus is in someone's system to spread it before it is detectable?

You and others have jumped to the conclusion that you know that Hope Hicks spread the virus to the President.  As he and his aide would have been near the same people we really can't know that, can we?

As far as we shall see goes, no we won't.  The panicked will continue to be panicked.  The realistic will probably continue to be realistic.  The proof is only what it appears to be to the specific viewer. 

[Valkorado]

I won't say the sky is falling, but a natural herd immunity from COVID is a pipe dream.  After over a thousand years do we have herd immunity from seasonal flu? 

No panic whatsoever.

[Alien]

I won't even bother to argue with you about masks Willow. It's quite clear how you feel about them and there's no talking to you about it.

However, as the virus takes some time to become detectable and even longer for in infected person to become symptomatic, it is indeed very likely that Ms. Hicks spread it to more than just POTUS and FLOTUS.  

We shall see how this plays out.  We shall see which assumptions turn out to be "incredibly stupid."

Wow!  That was quite a jump!  You went from everyone at the debate was at risk to we'll see if more than the President and First Lady were affected.

As far as how long it takes to become detectable, are there any experts that claim enough of the virus is in someone's system to spread it before it is detectable?

You and others have jumped to the conclusion that you know that Hope Hicks spread the virus to the President.  As he and his aide would have been near the same people we really can't know that, can we?

As far as we shall see goes, no we won't.  The panicked will continue to be panicked.  The realistic will probably continue to be realistic.  The proof is only what it appears to be to the specific viewer. 

Again, I'm not going to argue with you.  You'll only attack and be increasingly rude, then delete my responses anyway.  The events will be what they will be. 

[Robert]

The CDC newest numbers say 99% cure rate and 94 in their age bracket. No mask will protect you since its to plentiful in the general population. Its like trying to protect yourself from the smell when you go by a garbage dump.

[Alien]

The CDC newest numbers say 99% cure rate and 94 in their age bracket. No mask will protect you since its to plentiful in the general population. Its like trying to protect yourself from the smell when you go by a garbage dump.

Ok, ok.  Once and for all: THE MASK IS NOT TO PROTECT YOU FROM CONTRACTING THE VIRUS.  THE MASK IS TO PREVENT IN INFECTED PERSON FROM SPREADING THE VIRUS.

BECAUSE YOU CAN SPREAD THE VIRUS TO OTHERS WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING THAT YOU HAVE IT, COVERING YOUR MOUTH AND NOSE IN PUBLIC IS A COURTESY THAT PEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT OTHERS EXTEND.

[Alien]

Meanwhile, Pence and his wife have tested negative.  Trump is said to be experiencing "coldlike symptoms."

[Robert]

The CDC newest numbers say 99% cure rate and 94 in their age bracket. No mask will protect you since its to plentiful in the general population. Its like trying to protect yourself from the smell when you go by a garbage dump.

Ok, ok.  Once and for all: THE MASK IS NOT TO PROTECT YOU FROM CONTRACTING THE VIRUS.  THE MASK IS TO PREVENT IN INFECTED PERSON FROM SPREADING THE VIRUS.

BECAUSE YOU CAN SPREAD THE VIRUS TO OTHERS WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING THAT YOU HAVE IT, COVERING YOUR MOUTH AND NOSE IN PUBLIC IS A COURTESY THAT PEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT OTHERS EXTEND.

So if its out in the wild and on everything, including in the sewers how is a mask going to protect you even if someone has it or not? How would you know if you got it from a person or some other way.?

[Valkorado]

The CDC newest numbers say 99% cure rate and 94 in their age bracket. No mask will protect you since its to plentiful in the general population. Its like trying to protect yourself from the smell when you go by a garbage dump.

Recovery, Robert.  There is no cure for COVID-19.  Boris recovered, he wasn't cured.  In his case recovery required hospitalization and oxygen, but luckily no intubation.  They say he is still wheezing, etc..

I pray for an even better outcome for President Trump.

[Robert]

Cure definition:
relieve (a person or animal) of the symptoms of a disease or condition.

The people I know that supposedly had it and are now fine took different times to heal but they are by definition cured. Not trying to split hairs but medicine recognizes the absence of symptoms as a cure. Because without this definition we would all be sick today of many illnesses.

[Valkorado]

Cure definition:
relieve (a person or animal) of the symptoms of a disease or condition.

The people I know that supposedly had it and are now fine took different times to heal but they are by definition cured. Not trying to split hairs but medicine recognizes the absence of symptoms a cure. Because without this definition we would all be sick today of many illnesses.

OK then, all COVID survivors have been cured.  Good enough.    

In another post you indicated you have acquaintances who had to visit the hospital twice before they were "cured".  You mentioned you have another dear friend who has been hospitalized for months.  I was truly sorry to hear that.   But while your friend is struggling to recover that cure seems elusive.

[Robert]

Cure definition:
relieve (a person or animal) of the symptoms of a disease or condition.

The people I know that supposedly had it and are now fine took different times to heal but they are by definition cured. Not trying to split hairs but medicine recognizes the absence of symptoms a cure. Because without this definition we would all be sick today of many illnesses.

OK then, all COVID survivors have been cured.  Good enough.   

Kind of funny but it took me back, I was feeling kind of strange and could not describe the symptoms so I went to my Dr. Asked him for a couple of tests and that was his answer, we treat symptoms. I was a bit stunned, it made me feel like I had to makeup symptoms to treat and test. I guess it made sense we all have illness that we fend of by our immunity everyday.

[Willow]

Recovery, Robert.  There is no cure for COVID-19.  ...

Just a curiosity on my part.  If a person is treated and recovers how does one distinguish that from being cured?  What would a procedure have to be to be identified as a cure?

[Bighead]

You know guys this is JUST like the political threads. No one is going to change anyone else’s mind. PERIOD! So live and let live. Now where is that dead horse emoji?
It doesn’t bother me if someone isn’t wearing a mask around me or not. I have knowingly been exposed many times. No ill affect. Now I may come down with it  next week. But gonna keep on living and working with patients just the same,got no choice it is my job.

[Valkorado]

So you come down with a mild case, and quarantine at home while constantly drinking rye whiskey and eating chili dogs.  A week later you're feeling better and test negative.  Did you cure yourself with rye and coneys, or did you recover from the virus?  Hmmm.

No 98 the initial test was not a false positive.