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Jess Tolbirt
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« on: November 24, 2020, 09:46:08 AM »

When the formation of a well regulated militia starts taking place how will I know and who do I contact to become a part of it.
Some of you on here may remember Joe Jones from back in '97, he said in every post IITTSS. now I agree, 'It Is Time To Start Shooting'

No I am not a badass of any sorts but I will stand up for my rights and the oath I took many years ago.

Now I have to search for that ship that sunk.
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« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2020, 10:18:24 AM »

If you are really serious about militia (or any organized resistance), that is a very thorny subject.

The best and well organized (if any) will certainly have paid informants or undercover members, all reporting regularly.  It's how they took down the Klan, and it works.  

Acting alone or with a few trusted friends, family, neighbors is the more effective and secure activity.  It's not stand up war (suicidal), it's us Ho Chi Minh peasants doing what we can, when we can with attrition in a long game (until they change their minds).    

Hypothetically speaking of course.
 
If you (or anyone) would like to read the single best book ever written on resistance to tyranny in a modern America, read Unintended Consequences, by John Ross.  Long out of print, copies are near impossible to find (or afford) used.  It's a work of fiction.

It's the only book I ever read sitting at the computer (and it's a long 750 pages).  PDF
https://billstclair.com/Unintended-Consequences.pdf

It's a bit dated (1996), with BATF as the principle opposition (back when they were patently entrapping men with a table at gun shows all over the country), but the methodology for scattered, unorganized but ultimately effective resistance is a blueprint worth copying.  The advice which goes out to all players at kickoff that if caught, never talk or say a word, ever, no matter what, is also a very sound tactic.

It's also a bang up story, with a lot of great history on the American gun culture, before the resistance part of the book begins.
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« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2020, 10:57:52 AM »

Listen to how you guys are talking.  Embarrassed
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« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2020, 11:24:12 AM »


 he said in every post IITTSS. now I agree, 'It Is Time To Start Shooting'



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« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2020, 11:34:20 AM »

You shouldn't worry your pretty little heads about it.

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« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2020, 12:14:09 PM »

I read this story many years ago, it's stuck with me all these years.  I am sure there are some on this board who consider the child a hero.

Here is the entire story copied from a website.


Sundown at Coffin Rock
This story originally appeared in "The Blue Press" (a catalog/magazine put out by Dillon Precision Products, Inc., 7442 Butherus Drive, Scottsdale, AZ 85260, phone 602-948-8009.) The editor, Mark Pixler, was kind enough to allow distribution on the Internet.

This story may be reprinted as long as due credit is given to the author and publisher.

Sundown at Coffin Rock
by Raymond K. Paden

The old man walked slowly through the dry, fallen leaves of autumn, his practiced eye automatically choosing the bare and stony places in the trail for his feet. There was scarcely a sound as he passed, though his left knee was stiff with scar tissue. He grunted occasionally as the tight sinews pulled. Damn chainsaw, he thought.

Behind him, the boy shuffled along, trying to imitate his grandfather, but unable to mimic the silent motion that the old man had learned during countless winter days upon this wooded mountain in pursuit of game. He's fifteen years old, the old man thought. Plenty old enough to be learning. But that was another time, another America. His mind drifted, and he saw himself, a fifteen-year-old boy following in the footsteps of his own grandfather, clutching a twelve gauge in his trembling hands as they tracked a wounded whitetail.

The leg was hurting worse now, and he slowed his pace a bit. Plenty of time. It should have been my own son here with me now, the old man thought sadly. But Jason had no interest, no understanding. He cared for nothing but pounding on the keys of that cursed computer terminal. He knew nothing about the woods, or where food came from...or freedom. And that's my fault, isn't it?

The old man stopped and held up his hand, motioning for the boy to look. In the small clearing ahead, the deer stood motionless, watching them. It was a scraggly buck, underfed and sickly, but the boy's eyes lit up with excitement. It had been many years since they had seen even a single whitetail here on the mountain. After the hunting had stopped, the population had exploded. The deer had eaten the mountain almost bare until erosion had become a serious problem in some places. That following winter, three starving does had wandered into the old man's yard, trying to eat the bark off of his pecan trees, and he had wished the "animal rights" fanatics could have been there then. It was against the law, but old man knew a higher law, and he took an axe into the yard and killed the starving beasts. They did not have the strength to run.

The buck finally turned and loped away, and they continued down the trail to the river. When they came to the "Big Oak," the old man turned and pushed through the heavy brush beside the trail and the boy followed, wordlessly. The old man knew that Thomas was curious about their leaving the trail, but the boy had learned to move silently (well, almost) and that meant no talking. When they came to "Coffin Rock," the old man sat down upon it and motioned for the boy to join him.

"You see this rock, shaped like a casket?" the old man asked. "Yes sir." The old man smiled. The boy was respectful and polite. He loved the outdoors, too. Everything a man could ask in a grandson ....or a son.

"I want you to remember this place, and what I'm about to tell you. A lot of it isn't going to make any sense to you, but it's important and one day you'll understand it well enough. The old man paused. Now that he was here, he didn't really know where to start.

"Before you were born," he began at last, "this country was different. I've told you about hunting, about how everybody who obeyed the law could own guns. A man could speak out, anywhere, without worrying about whether he'd get back home or not. School was different, too. A man could send his kids to a church school, or a private school, or even teach them at home. But even in the public schools, they didn't spend all their time trying to brainwash you like they do at yours now." The old man paused, and was silent for many minutes. The boy was still, watching a chipmunk scavenging beside a fallen tree below them.

"Things don't ever happen all at once, boy. They just sort of sneak up on you. Sure, we knew guns were important; we just didn't think it would ever happen in America. But we had to do something about crime, they said. It was a crisis. Everything was a crisis! It was a drug crisis, or a terrorism crisis, or street crime, or gang crime. Even a 'health care' crisis was an excuse to take away a little more of our rights." The old man turned to look at his grandson.

"They ever let you read a thing called the Constitution down there at your school?" The boy solemnly shook his head. "Well, the Fourth Amendment's still in there. It says there won't be any unreasonable searches and seizures. It says you're safe in your own home." The old man shrugged. "That had to go. It was a crisis! They could kick your door open any time, day or night, and come in with guns blazing if they thought you had drugs ...or later, guns. Oh, at first it was just registration -- to keep the guns out of the hands of criminals! But that didn't work, of course, and then later when they wanted to take 'em they knew where to look. They banned 'assault rifles', and then 'sniper rifles', and 'Saturday night specials.' Everything you saw on the TV or in the movies was against us. God knows the news people were! And the schools were teaching our kids that nobody needed guns anymore. We tried to take a stand, but we felt like the whole face of our country had changed and we were left outside."

"Me and a friend of mine, when we saw what was happening, we came and built a secret place up here on the mountain. A place where we could put our guns until we needed them. We figured some day Americans would remember what it was like to be free, and what kind of price we had to pay for that freedom. So we hid our guns instead of losing them."

"One fellow I knew disagreed. He said we ought to use our guns now and stand up to the government. Said that the colonists had fought for their freedom when the British tried to disarm them at Lexington and Concord. Well, he and a lot of others died in what your history books call the 'Tax Revolt of 1998,' but son, it wasn't the revolt that caused the repeal of the Second Amendment like your history book says. The Second Amendment was already gone long before they ever repealed it. The rest of us thought we were doing the right thing by waiting. I hope to God we were right."

"You see, Thomas. It isn't government that makes a man free. In the end, governments always do just the opposite. They gobble up freedom like hungry pigs. You have to have laws to keep the worst in men under control, but at the same time the people have to have guns, too, in order to keep the government itself under control. In our country, the people were supposed to be the final authority of the law, but that was a long time ago. Once the guns were gone, there was no reason for those who run the government to give a damn about laws and constitutional rights and such. They just did what they pleased and anyone who spoke out...well, I'm getting ahead of myself."

"It took a long time to collect up all the millions of firearms that were in private hands. The government created a whole new agency to see to it. There were rewards for turning your friends in, too. Drug dealers and murderers were set free after two or three years in prison, but possession of a gun would get you mandatory life behind bars with no parole.

"I don't know how they found out about me, probably knew I'd been a hunter all those years, or maybe somebody turned me in. They picked me up on suspicion and took me down to the federal building."

"Son, those guys did everything they could think of to me. Kept me locked up in this little room for hours, no food, no water. They kept coming in, asking me where the guns were. 'What guns?' I said. Whenever I'd doze off, they'd come crashing in, yelling and hollering. I got to where I didn't know which end was up. I'd say I wanted my lawyer and they'd laugh. 'Lawyers are for criminals', they said. 'You'll get a lawyer after we get the guns.' What's so funny is, I know they thought they were doing the right thing. They were fighting crime!"

"When I got home I found Ruth sitting in the middle of the living room floor, crying her eyes out. The house was a shambles. While I was down there, they'd come out and took our house apart. Didn't need a search warrant, they said. National emergency! Gun crisis! Your grandma tried to call our preacher and they ripped the phone off the wall. Told her that they'd go easy on me if she just told them where I kept my guns." The old man laughed. "She told them to go to hell." He stared into the distance for a moment as his laughter faded.

"They wouldn't tell her about me, where I was or anything, that whole time. She said that she'd thought I was dead. She never got over that day, and she died the next December."

"They've been watching me ever since, off and on. I guess there's not much for them to do anymore, now that all the guns are gone. Plenty of time to watch one foolish old man." He paused. Beside him, the boy stared at the stone beneath his feet.

"Anyway, I figure that, one day, America will come to her senses. Our men will need those guns and they'll be ready. We cleaned them and sealed them up good; they'll last for years. Maybe it won't be in your lifetime, Thomas. Maybe one day you'll be sitting here with your son or grandson. Tell him about me, boy. Tell him about the way I said America used to be." The old man stood, his bad leg shaking unsteadily beneath him.

"You see the way this stone points? You follow that line one hundred feet down the hill and you'll find a big round rock. It looks like it's buried solid, but one man with a good prybar can lift it, and there's a concrete tunnel right under there that goes back into the hill."

The old man stood, watching as the sun eased toward the ridge, coloring the sky and the world red. Below them, the river still splashed among the stones, as it had for a million years. It's still going, the old man thought. There'll be someone left to carry on for me when I'm gone. It was harder to walk back. He felt old and purposeless now, and it would be easier, he knew, to give in to that aching heaviness in his left lung that had begun to trouble him more and more. Damn cigarettes, he thought. His leg hurt, and the boy silently came up beside him and supported him as they started down the last mile toward the house. How quiet he walks, the old man thought. He's learned well.

It was almost dark when the boy walked in. His father looked up from his paper. "Did you and your granddad have a nice walk?"

"Yes," the boy answered, opening the refrigerator. "You can call Agent Goodwin tomorrow. Gramps finally showed me where it is."

Editor's note: "Sundown at Coffin Rock" is a work of fiction. Any similarity to actual events or to actual people, living or dead, remains to be seen.

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« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2020, 01:08:43 PM »

When the formation of a well regulated militia starts taking place how will I know and who do I contact to become a part of it.
Some of you on here may remember Joe Jones from back in '97, he said in every post IITTSS. now I agree, 'It Is Time To Start Shooting'

No I am not a badass of any sorts but I will stand up for my rights and the oath I took many years ago.

Now I have to search for that ship that sunk.

I don't know if it's time to start shooting yet, but America has the largest standing civilian army, it's gun owners. There are an estimated 100 million plus now, in just the past few months surrounding this "election" there have been over 5 million first time gun owners purchasing. The gun owners have over 300 million guns and Trillions of rounds of ammo. Even Emperor Hirohito wouldn't invade the American homeland during WWII.
If, or when, it becomes time to start shooting, I hope the cops remember all the stand down orders when the thugs were running the streets, and I think a bunch will at that time, and stand down when the good guys start cleaning the streets and cities. The civilian "Army" outnumbers the military 100 times over, numbers don't lie. Don't piss off the average Joe, middle class, working for a living, everyday American. There is a breaking point.


Want to clean up this whole mess???
Every public official takes an oath of office, in that oath it states:

 “I, ___, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.””

Instantly remove from office anyone who breaks, goes against or supports anyone else breaking that oath. Arrest and jail them instantly with no bond on treason, espionage, war crimes, whatever. bury them under Guantanamo.
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« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2020, 01:15:57 PM »

You shouldn't worry your pretty little heads about it.



Worried.....no

Saddened....yes
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« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2020, 02:16:43 PM »

I read this story many years ago, it's stuck with me all these years.  I am sure there are some on this board who consider the child a hero.

Here is the entire story copied from a website.


Good story Mr Dogenes.  (sp?)

But two things:

They obviously waited too long to act.

And Grandad should have pushed his son and grandson off that cliff years ago.   Grin

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« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2020, 02:19:05 PM »

I read this story many years ago, it's stuck with me all these years.  I am sure there are some on this board who consider the child a hero.

Here is the entire story copied from a website.


Good story Mr Dogenes.  (sp?)

But two things:

They obviously waited too long to act.

And Grandad should have pushed his son and grandson off that cliff years ago.   Grin



Doenges.  But, no biggie. 
Yes, I agree. 
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« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2020, 02:32:10 PM »

You shouldn't worry your pretty little heads about it.



Worried.....no

Saddened....yes

Were you saddened when Sen. Maria Chappelle-Nadal called for a sitting President's assassination?
Or when The Dishonorable Maxine Waters called for assaults against any GOP politicians?

Getting upset over a theoretical discussion, which is protected by the First Amendment, but not denouncing blatant THREATS to politicians from elected officials shows your true nature and hipocrisy.
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« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2020, 09:52:17 PM »

I read this story many years ago, it's stuck with me all these years.  I am sure there are some on this board who consider the child a hero.

Editor's note: "Sundown at Coffin Rock" is a work of fiction. Any similarity to actual events or to actual people, living or dead, remains to be seen.

 

Sad, sad story. Cry  

Fiction?  Well, for now.

(I get Blue Press, but I didn't see this story.)
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