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A new study published in the International Journal of Environmental Research and Public Health finds that UNVACCINATED children are far healthier than vaccinated children. As the rate of vaccination increases, so does chronic health issues such as asthma, allergic rhinitis, respiratory infections, eczema and a host of other health problems. The study, titled, “Relative Incidence of Office Visits and cumulative Rates of Billed Diagnoses Along the Axis of Vaccination” shows how childhood vaccination causes an increasing number of pediatric visits and an influx of diagnoses. The research followed 3,300 pediatric patients for ten years and was conducted at Integrative Pediatric, a pediatrics practice in Oregon run by Dr. Paul Thomas, M.D. During the study, Thomas’s pediatric practice prioritized parental decision-making and followed the informed consent doctrine of the American Medical Association. The plan allows parents to stop or delay vaccination if vaccine injuries were present. Not every child processes vaccine ingredients in the same way; conditions like eczema, developmental delay, allergies, or autoimmune conditions are typical signs that their body is unable to process the vaccines. Dr. Thomas’s practice contained the perfect mix of children who ranged from being unvaccinated to partially vaccinated to fully vaccinated per the CDC’s guidelines. The study found that the unvaccinated child shows fewer signs of respiratory infections and fewer fevers at well-child visits. The unvaccinated child required twenty-five times LESS pediatric care over a ten year span! The CDC pushes for 70 doses of 16 vaccines on a child before they reach the age of 18. Children who received 90 to 95 percent of the CDC-recommended vaccines for their age group were about 25 times more likely to see the pediatrician than the unvaccinated group. Vaccinated children (with a family history of autoimmune issues) suffer more compared to their unvaccinated peers An important feature of this study was Dr. Yehuda Shoenfeld’s work, which singled out a predisposition to vaccine injury called autoimmune syndrome induced by adjuvants. If there is family history of autoimmunity, children who get vaccinated are more likely to suffer from ear infections, asthma, allergies and skin rashes, when compared to the unvaccinated who also share the same family history of autoimmune issues. The aluminum adjuvant and the other various chemicals in the vaccine may turn on the genes that enable autoimmune issues. Family history of disease is important in determining whether vaccines should be used in the child. Vaccinated children up to six times more likely to suffer from anemia, allergies, sinusitis and asthma The most concerning aspect of the study was the rise in chronic health issues among the vaccinated children. The vaccinated children were three to six times more likely to wind up in the pediatrician’s office to treat anemia, allergies, sinusitis and asthma. The vaccinated were also 70 percent more likely to suffer from various respiratory infections compared to the unvaccinated. Do the vaccines weaken overall immunity and make children more susceptible to other infections? (Related: Vaccinated children face a 3,000% increase in allergic rhinitis.) No ADHD in the unvaccinated There was absolutely no ADHD in the unvaccinated children, but as vaccination uptake increased, ADHD and behavioral issues increased. Thomas’s practice halted vaccination when signs of ADHD were prevalent, which is why his practice saw roughly half the rate of ADHD overall, when compared to the general population. Vaccine-preventable illnesses were not prevalent in the vaccinated or the unvaccinated Strangely, a quarter percent of the vaccinated were diagnosed with infections that the vaccines were supposed to prevent, including chicken pox or whooping cough. A slight uptick in chicken pox and whooping cough was observed in the unvaccinated, but they all recovered and gained lifelong immunity to the infections. Predictably, there were no cases of measles, mumps, rubella, tetanus, hepatitis, or any other vaccine targeted infection for the children who were vaccinated. Surprisingly, there were also NO CASES of these infections in the unvaccinated during the entire 10.5-year study period. This brings up the question: Are the vaccines even necessary, or do they impose a burden of unnecessary harm to children? https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-12-13-unvaccinated-children-are-healthier-than-vaccinated-peers.html#
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« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2020, 12:24:44 PM » |
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Polio TB Measles
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« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2020, 12:32:20 PM » |
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« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2020, 05:41:55 PM » |
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I believe it is some 60 shots by age 4.....and you are a libertarian?
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« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2020, 05:45:45 PM » |
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I believe it is some 60 shots by age 4.....and you are a libertarian?
Very much so. Never said it should be government mandated, but I do think anyone who doesn't is acting foolishly. I also think adults should be legally allowed to smoke meth, snort coke, inject heroin, etc..... Doesn't mean I think any of those are smart things to do.
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« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2020, 07:01:02 PM » |
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Remember, in I am Legend the sickness didn't make the zombies.
The Vaccination did.
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« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2020, 08:35:28 PM » |
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My daughter did not vaccinate my two grandsons. They are now 12 & 15. She does not like doctors because they tell her what to do (controlling behavior) so she doesn’t go to doctors. This could get the results the OP is reporting on. My grandsons wouldn’t show up in this study. BTW; Their health is pretty good in spite of not being vaccinated.
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« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2020, 09:42:02 PM » |
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@98valk: vaccines work and they are a much better choice than a deadly disease like Measles or Polio.
@sandy: when the time comes for your grandsons to travel abroad, make sure that they receive at least the Polio + Smallpox + Measles + Tetanus vaccines.
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« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2020, 10:17:00 PM » |
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3300 cohort in a non-peer reviewed study. There are a number of reasons unvaccinated children have less pediatric visits. But a major one, as Sandy suggested, is that that the anti-vaxxer parents are less likely to take their children to the doctor for every little sniffle. The unvaccinated children that do not get vaccine-preventable diseases should be grateful for the approximate 90% vaccination rate in the US population. IOW, the vaccinated population provide a level of protection for the unvaccinated... that's how herd immunity works. However, in some geographic areas with larger and larger numbers of unvaccinated children, previously defeated diseases are resurging. If everyone did as you suggest and quit vaccinating all together, we would have devastating numbers of these diseases that are just lying in wait for such a foolish happenstance. Also, any relationship between autism and vaccines has long been debunked. There are thousands of peer reviewed professional research articles substantiating these points. Below is a very short list; if you want to read more actual research, you can search a number of sites, such as https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov, https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama, etc. All peer reviewed, professional research: Vaccine Refusal and Measles Outbreaks in the US https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2769677Resurgence of measles in the United States: how did we get here? https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31790030/Resurgence of Vaccine-Preventable Disease: Ethics in the Pediatric Emergency Department https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31449198/Is There a Resurgence of Vaccine Preventable Diseases in the U.S.? https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30683276/Combating Vaccine Hesitancy with Vaccine-Preventable Disease Familiarization: An Interview and Curriculum Intervention for College Students https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31083632/Association Between Estimated Cumulative Vaccine Antigen Exposure Through the First 23 Months of Life and Non–Vaccine Targeted Infections From 24 Through 47 Months of Age https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2673970 Cohort of 994; ages 24-47 months The Role of Patient Engagement in Addressing Parents’ Perceptions About Immunizations https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2769677Association Between Vaccine Refusal and Vaccine-Preventable Diseases in the United States: A Review of Measles and Pertussis https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2503179Autism Occurrence by MMR Vaccine Status Among US Children With Older Siblings With and Without Autism https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2275444Geographic clusters in underimmunization and vaccine refusal https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25601971/Vaccines Are not Associated with Autism: An Evidence-based Meta-analysis of Case-control and Cohort Studies (Study of over 1.25 million children) https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24814559/
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« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2020, 10:29:43 PM » |
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Remember, in I am Legend the sickness didn't make the zombies.
The Vaccination did.
Hmmm....
Your references are moving further into fiction?
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« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2020, 10:31:11 PM » |
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Remember, in I am Legend the sickness didn't make the zombies.
The Vaccination did.
Hmmm....
Your references are moving further into fiction? Exactly.....you beat me to it.
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« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2020, 10:34:17 PM » |
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My daughter did not vaccinate my two grandsons. They are now 12 & 15. She does not like doctors because they tell her what to do (controlling behavior) so she doesn’t go to doctors. This could get the results the OP is reporting on. My grandsons wouldn’t show up in this study. BTW; Their health is pretty good in spite of not being vaccinated.
Sandy, your grandsons have benefitted from a largely vaccinated population in the U.S. Savago is correct, if they travel to a country that isn't as well vaccinated, they could be in trouble.
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« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2020, 03:31:13 AM » |
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My daughter did not vaccinate my two grandsons. They are now 12 & 15. She does not like doctors because they tell her what to do (controlling behavior) so she doesn’t go to doctors. This could get the results the OP is reporting on. My grandsons wouldn’t show up in this study. BTW; Their health is pretty good in spite of not being vaccinated.
Sandy, your grandsons have benefitted from a largely vaccinated population in the U.S. Savago is correct, if they travel to a country that isn't as well vaccinated, they could be in trouble. Without me doing a internet search don’t children who nurse while infants and young children receive antibodies from the mother? The amount of shots kids get in their early years is crazy. My son is allergic to the MMR shot,(over 22 yrs ago) had a severe reaction to it. When we called the pediatrician about the fever and rash he accused us of bringing a sick child into his office....we were like what? He received a full examination before the shot and within hours he was burning up (104+) and had a terrible rash. So he’s only had that initial shot, no booster. The last vaccine I had was a tetanus shot some 25 years ago I’m think.
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« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2020, 04:29:24 AM » |
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My daughter did not vaccinate my two grandsons. They are now 12 & 15. She does not like doctors because they tell her what to do (controlling behavior) so she doesn’t go to doctors. This could get the results the OP is reporting on. My grandsons wouldn’t show up in this study. BTW; Their health is pretty good in spite of not being vaccinated.
Sandy, your grandsons have benefitted from a largely vaccinated population in the U.S. Savago is correct, if they travel to a country that isn't as well vaccinated, they could be in trouble. I have mixed feelings re vaccine use, as I said in an earlier post, my kids were vaccinated for everything.. I was working and my ex was the manager of their healthcare needs, I just paid the bills. Not to muddy the water too much, I haven't heard mention of illegal immigrants bringing in a whole host of infectious diseases. Laying blame for a resurgence of ID in this country solely on anti-vaxxers without mention of this little problem could be slightly disingenuous. Take a look at this article from the AT https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/11/the_migrant_caravan_of_diseases.html
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« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2020, 05:20:39 AM » |
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oh my, just one case, there are others if one wants to search. but of course the billion dollar vac industry puts a spin on it. Get the measles vaccine, and you won’t get the measles—or give it to anyone else. Right? Well, not always. A person fully vaccinated against measles has contracted the disease and passed it on to others. The startling case study contradicts received wisdom about the vaccine and suggests that a recent swell of measles outbreaks in developed nations could mean more illnesses even among the vaccinated. which has been proven many times the shots don't last "It seemed that her vaccine-given immunity had waned." https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/04/measles-outbreak-traced-fully-vaccinated-patient-first-time
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« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2020, 05:39:04 AM » |
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oh no... another case An outbreak of mumps has hit Temple University in Philadelphia with over 100 cases (suspected or confirmed) reported. In response, health authorities are offering a vaccination clinic to all students. Most of the students, however, have been previously vaccinated with the MMR (measles, mumps and rubella) vaccine. So why is there an outbreak going on in a highly-vaccinated population? so then read the billion dollar vac industry put a spin on it. https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/blog/mumps-temple-university
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« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2020, 05:50:25 AM » |
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anywho... https://news.temple.edu/announcements/2019-03-22/faq-temple-university-mumps-outbreakWork sent me to anti-vaxxer land out west a few years ago and I got a MMR booster before I went. I hear that the democrats are going to give Mike Pence's Coronavirus Czar job to the guy who tried to fix the obamacare web site... a scary thought, given that I want that vaccine... -Mike
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« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2020, 05:54:44 AM » |
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I hear that the democrats are going to give Mike Pence's Coronavirus Czar job to the guy who tried to fix the obamacare web site... a scary thought, given that I want that vaccine...
Or Biden's coronavirus adviser Dr. Zeke Emanuel, who's argued that life past 75 isn't worth living and that he hopes he dies at age 75. Wonder how much priority someone with that mindset will put on saving the lives of our elderly? Buckle up folks, it's gonna be a bump few years... https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-coronavirus-adviser-zeke-emanuel-age-75-the-atlantic-essay
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« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2020, 06:01:21 AM » |
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All peer reviewed, professional research:
In my youth as an angry anti-theist I set about trying to save people from the evils of religion. I tried to argue with facts, research, science and logic against their faith. I came to a simple conclusion - you can't counter religious faith with facts. It didn't work then, and it doesn't work now. Sometimes you just have to step back and let people be happy in their faith, no matter how silly you may find it to be or in this case how harmful it may be.
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« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2020, 06:06:35 AM » |
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I hear that the democrats are going to give Mike Pence's Coronavirus Czar job to the guy who tried to fix the obamacare web site... a scary thought, given that I want that vaccine...
Or Biden's coronavirus adviser Dr. Zeke Emanuel, who's argued that life past 75 isn't worth living and that he hopes he dies at age 75. Wonder how much priority someone with that mindset will put on saving the lives of our elderly? Buckle up folks, it's gonna be a bump few years... https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-coronavirus-adviser-zeke-emanuel-age-75-the-atlantic-essayAsk him again at 74.  Under this standard doesn't Zeke's new boss fall into the worthless category?
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« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2020, 12:22:24 PM » |
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Stop by for a free tour of Vass United Methodist Church cemetery. Look at the old headstones. Many say Typhoid, Measles, Influenza and Polio, right on the stone. Look at the children's graves. Some have a little lamb on top. Those may say Measels, or other obsolete causes. Some just say a fever. Notice the dates the kids passed away. There aren't any from the 1960's forward. The population of our town did not get healthier by itself, vaccines did it.
better sanitation, cleaner potable water and cleaner food, is why the population in general is healthier, not vaccines. but people don't read enough history and do some basic research. one can even find when and how vaccines got into people's mindsets. God did not design the body to process foreign proteins injected into the body. but the medical executives know better than God.
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« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2020, 12:25:34 PM » |
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I'm attempting to stay out of most of the non-motorcycle related threads, but it's getting harder with the state of the country and many of us northerners starting to get PMS; Parked Motorcycle Syndrome.
My 10 year old has received all of the immunizations that most consider standard at this point. Polio, MMR, etc. So far, no flu shot for him, and he's rarely feeling anything other than fantastic. I've had the flu shot 3 times. The first time, I got the flu within days. The second and third time, I got the flu within a few weeks of the shot, and both times was told that a different strain of the flu was what I got; not the strain the shot was for. I have no problem with the immunization, but the carrier that it's sent into you with. Lots of stuff that I'm sure doesn't need to be there. Why are there still traces of mercury in immunizations? Thimerosal is still widely used, even though it has mercury in it. Haven't found a better way in 90 years?
The state of MA says my kid has to get the flu shot by 12/31/20 or he can't go back to school. I will be challenging that. Should get interesting in the next couple weeks.
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« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2020, 12:33:02 PM » |
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Thimerosal is still widely used, even though it has mercury in it. Haven't found a better way in 90 years?
The state of MA says my kid has to get the flu shot by 12/31/20 or he can't go back to school. I will be challenging that. Should get interesting in the next couple weeks.
Thimerosal is still used because it's effective at what it's put in there for (Keeping multi dose vials sterile) and the human body readily excretes it with no harm. But if Thimerosal is your main concern, insist he get a flu vaccine from a single use vial instead of a multi-dose vial. The single use vials don't use any preservatives.
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In my youth as an angry anti-theist I set about trying to save people from the evils of religion. I tried to argue with facts, research, science and logic against their faith.
I came to a simple conclusion - you can't counter religious faith with facts.This seems to have come from left field, as if Serk posted it to the wrong thread... perhaps (certainly!  ) there are posts I have not read. Twenty years ago I was at a Usenix conference and there was this "skeptic" fellow there, as a speaker. He told stories about confronting whackos, like this person who convinced his marks that they could pay him to download their homeopathic medicine over the Internet and add it to their own distilled water. He moved on to a story about how he'd been invited to an elementary school to speak and he used the opportunity of having the children away from their parents to try and convince them that Jesus is a myth. I left the room right away, I see him as a bigger scuzzball than the homeopathic guy. -Mike
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This seems to have come from left field, as if Serk posted it to the wrong thread... perhaps (certainly!  ) there are posts I have not read. It was in reference to how true believers of the anti-vaxx stuff take it as an almost religious faith based thing, one can post scientific study after scientific, peer reviewed study for them and it won't matter, you can't combat their faith with facts.
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I’m selling the Mackinaw Bridge, If you’re interested. Let’s go back 100 years, jeez.
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