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[stormrider]

Climate-Gate - Michael Coren with Lord Christopher Monckton - part 1 of 5	powered by Aeva

[Daniel Meyer]

[Charlie]

This is what Wikipedia says about Lord Monckton.  Sounds like an extreme right winger to me, totally one sided attitude, and doesn't have the credentials he claims.  The line about being Margaret Thatchers Science Advisor is similar to some of Obama's so called "experts".  I wouldn't trust what he says any more than I would what any politician says, and he is a politician of sorts.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Monckton,_3rd_Viscount_Monckton_of_Brenchley
Climate change

Monckton is critical of the theory of anthropogenic causes for climate change and the stated scope of it, which he regards as a controversy catalysed by "the need of the international left for a new flag to rally round following the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989".[14] He has expressed doubt about the reality of global warming in a number of newspaper articles and papers. He has been described in some quarters as a "former science adviser to British prime minister Margaret Thatcher and a world-renowned scholar."[15] However, his credentials as a commentator on climate change have been questioned by some commentators. James Hoggan and Richard Littlemore note in their book Climate Cover-Up: The Crusade to Deny Global Warming that Monckton has "no training whatsoever in science", and criticise his asserted credentials as "unfounded self-promotion."[16] The Daily Telegraph has described him as "a former economic adviser".[10]

In two Sunday Telegraph articles published in November 2006, Monckton disputed whether global warming is man-made, suggested that it is unlikely to prove catastrophic, and criticised the science presented by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). In particular, he has criticised the IPCC's interpretation of the Medieval Warm Period, cited the "hockey stick" controversy as evidence of faulty science, argued that the science in the IPCC reports has misapplied the Stefan–Boltzmann law, and supported the solar variation theory as a possible explanation of global warming. In an apparent reference to claims made by Gavin Menzies, he further stated "There was little ice at the North Pole: a Chinese naval squadron sailed right round the Arctic in 1421 and found none."[17]

Editorial writer for The Guardian George Monbiot has criticised Monckton's arguments, labelling them "cherry-picking, downright misrepresentation and pseudo-scientific gibberish,"[18]. In response, Monckton argued that he "got the science right", claiming that Monbiot got "too many facts wrong" and had shown "ignorance of the elementary physics".[19]

In response to the U.K. government's Stern Review on the Economics of Climate Change, he has argued that the review's recommendation to invest 1% of global GDP in climate change mitigation would be ineffective, as would the introduction of carbon taxes and emissions trading as a means of curbing carbon emissions. He has proposed instead that the best solution should be to "go nuclear and reverse 20th-century deforestation."[20]

In February 2007, he published a critique of the IPCC Fourth Assessment Report on climate change.[21] His calculations of climate sensitivity to increased atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide have been published in the Quarterly Economic Bulletin.[22]

Monckton played a role in a legal challenge heard in the High Court of Justice in October 2007 in a bid to prevent An Inconvenient Truth from being shown in English schools. In an interview with the conservative American talk radio host Glenn Beck, Monckton stated that he had prompted an unnamed friend to fund the case "to fight back against this tide of unscientific freedom-destroying nonsense" and had played a direct role in the litigation against the British government.[23] He was also reported to have funded the distribution to schools of the documentary The Great Global Warming Swindle as a riposte to Gore's film.[24]

In March 2007, Monckton ran a series of advertisements in The New York Times and Washington Post challenging Al Gore to an internationally televised debate on climate change. The former U.S. Vice President did not respond.[14][25] The Science and Public Policy Institute provided funding for Monckton to produce a response to An Inconvenient Truth, titled Apocalypse?, No!, described as "showing Monckton presenting a slide show in a vitriolic attack on climate change science."[24] The film includes footage of Monckton giving a Gore-style presentation given on 8 October 2007 at the Cambridge Union in which he asserted that Gore and the IPCC had systematically falsified and exaggerated the evidence for global warming.[24][26]

During the autumn of 2009, Monckton embarked on a tour of North America to campaign against the United Nations Climate Change Conference in December 2009. He warned that US President Barack Obama intended to sign a treaty at the conference which would "impose a communist world government on the world". This was picked up by numerous commentators on the American right, including Glenn Beck.The St. Petersburg Times's PolitiFact.com - described his assertions as "not only unsupported but preposterous" and stated "...Lord Monckton earns a special ruling — Britches on Fire!".[27] After attending one of Monckton's talks, Ethan Baron of the Canadian newspaper The Province criticised Monckton's assertions as the product of a "whacked-out, far-right ideology, combined with an ego the size of the Antarctic ice sheet."[28] Vaclav Klaus, the president of the Czech Republic defended Monckton's views, commenting: "I agree with Lord Monckton that the cap-and-trade bill 'is the largest tax increase ever to be inflicted on a population in the history of the world.'"[29]
American Physical Society article on climate sensitivity

In July 2008 Monckton wrote an article about climate sensitivity for the American Physical Society's Forum on Physics and Society.[30][31], concluding: "it is very likely that in response to a doubling of pre-industrial carbon dioxide concentration [surface temperature] will rise not by the 3.26 °K [sic] suggested by the IPCC, but by <1 °K."

Some media commentators interpreted the publication of his paper as a sign that the American Physical Society had abandoned its earlier support for the scientific consensus on climate change.[32] In response, the APS reaffirmed its unchanged position on climate change and pointed out that the newsletter of the APS Forum on Physics and Society "carries the statement that 'Opinions expressed are those of the authors alone and do not necessarily reflect the views of the APS or of the Forum.' This newsletter is not a journal of the APS and it is not peer reviewed."[33] The APS further added a disclaimer to the top of Monckton's article stating: "...Its conclusions are in disagreement with the overwhelming opinion of the world scientific community. The Council of the American Physical Society disagrees with this article's conclusions."[34] In a response, Monckton called the APS "red flag" "discourteous" and claimed his paper had been "scientifically reviewed in meticulous detail".[35]
Social policy

Eddy Shah: Today and the Newspaper Revolution describes him as "a fervent, forthright and opinionated Roman Catholic Tory"[36] who has been closely associated with the "New Right" faction of the Conservative Party.[37] As one of Margaret Thatcher's policy advisors, he has been credited with being "the brains behind the Thatcherite policy of giving council tenants (public housing) the right to buy their homes."[38] In more recent years, he has been associated with the Referendum Party, advising its founder Sir James Goldsmith, and in 2003 he helped a Scottish Tory breakaway group, the People's Alliance.[38] In 2009 he joined the UK Independence Party.[39].
Views on AIDS

Monckton's views on how the AIDS epidemic should be tackled have been the subject of some controversy. In an article for The American Spectator entitled "AIDS: A British View",[40] written for the January 1987 issue of The American Spectator, he argued that "there is only one way to stop AIDS. That is to screen the entire population regularly and to quarantine all carriers of the disease for life. Every member of the population should be blood-tested every month ... all those found to be infected with the virus, even if only as carriers, should be isolated compulsorily, immediately, and permanently." This would involve isolating between 1.5 and 3 million people in the United States ("not altogether impossible") and another 30,000 people in the UK ("not insuperably difficult"). The article was highly controversial, with The American Spectator's then assistant managing editor, Andrew Ferguson, denouncing it in the letters column of the same issue.[41] Monckton appeared on the BBC's Panorama programme in February 1987 to discuss his views and present the results of an opinion poll that found public support for his position.[37]

Monckton has since clarified his views on AIDS, stating that "the article was written at the very outset of the AIDS epidemic, and with 33 million people around the world now infected, the possibility of [quarantine] is laughable. It couldn't work."
European integration

Monckton has been an advocate of Euroscepticism for many years; as he put it in a 2007 interview, he would "leave the European Union, close down 90 per cent of government services and shift power away from the atheistic, humanistic government and into the hands of families and individuals."[42] In 1994, he sued the Conservative government of John Major for agreeing to contribute to the costs of the Protocol on Social Policy agreed in the 1993 Maastricht Treaty, although the UK had an opt-out from the protocol. The case was heard in the Scottish Court of Session in May 1994. His petition for judicial review was dismissed by the court for want of relevancy.[43]

[fstsix]

Yawn.........?
Barbara Hollingsworth: Who's who on climate fraud
By: Barbara Hollingsworth
Examiner Columnist
December 4, 2009

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In 1912, a respected paleontologist at the British Museum confirmed that bones found in a Piltdown quarry came from the “missing link” between apes and humans. Forty years later, the so-called Piltdown Man was proved to be a hoax. Thanks to purloined e-mails from the University of East Anglia’s Climate Research Unit (CRU), global warming is turning out to be the 21st-century equivalent of Piltdown Man.

E-mails between a small group of highly influential climate scientists at the center of the worldwide panic over global warming exposed multiple discussions among them concerning their manipulation of data and using various evasive tactics to avoid releasing the facts behind their ginned-up numbers to the public via Freedom of Information Act requests.

Here’s a rogue’s gallery of five major perpetrators of what’s turning out to be the biggest scientific hoax in modern history:

Geoff Jenkins, chairman of the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s first scientific group and self-described “frontman explaining climate change.” Jenkins admitted in 1996 to a “cunning plan” to feed fake temperature information to Nick Nuttall, head of media for the United Nations Environment program. At the time, Jenkins predicted temperatures in London would hit 113 degrees Fahrenheit and the Thames River would rise three feet even though 1996 was, in fact, cooler than 1995.

Phil Jones, director of the CRU, controlled two key databases that are the primary sources underlying claims by the United Nations and others of a global scientific “consensus” that catastrophic consequences will result from man-made global warming unless trillions of dollars are spent now to prevent it.

Jones e-mailed instructions to colleagues to “hide the decline” in temperatures and to pressure editors of academic journals to blackball the work of “climate skeptics.”
After claiming that the original climate data had been destroyed in the 1980s, Jones was caught urging his CRU colleagues to “delete as appropriate” data requested under Britain’s freedom of information laws.

Michael Mann, director of Penn State University’s Earth System Science Center, is one of the lead authors of the U.N.’s Inter-governmental Panel on Climate Change report. Mann was the originator of the “hockey stick” graph that supposedly proved that the Earth’s temperature was at the highest level in recorded history. However, it also appeared to eliminate both the Medieval Warm Period, in which surface temperatures were higher than they are today, and Europe’s “Little Ice Age.”

In 2003, Canadian statistician Steve McIntyre exposed the flawed methodology behind Mann’s hockey stick. The recent e-mail leak led another scientist to quip: “Dr. Mann is in transition from Penn State to State Pen. We can only hope he does a better job with license plates.”
Mann has been a committee chairman for the National Academy of Sciences and a member of multiple NAS panels and committees.

James Hansen, head of NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies, whose records were also cited as evidence, second only to the CRU data, of incontrovertible man-made global warming. McIntyre also caught Hansen engaging in the same sort of statistical manipulation in which past temperatures were lowered and recent ones “adjusted” to convey the false impression that the nonexistent warming trend was accelerating. After trying to block McIntyre’s IP address, NASA was forced to back down from its claim that 1998 was the hottest year in U.S. history.

Al Gore, Former Vice President Al Gore is the author of “An Inconvenient Truth,” star of the 2006 Oscar-winning movie of the same name and winner of the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize for his tireless efforts to limit economic development in industrialized countries with a cap-and-trade scheme. Many experts agree that such a system would increase food and energy prices, while wasting trillions of dollars on alternative energy sources (in which Gore is heavily invested). Gore’s case rests on the now-discredited theory that carbon dioxide emissions (which are increasing) are heating up the Earth’s atmosphere, even though actual global temperatures have been declining for at least a decade.

These five, though far from being the only ones, are among the top perpetrators of the Great Global Warming Hoax. They should never be taken seriously again.

Barbara F. Hollingsworth is The Examiner's local opinion editor.

[stormrider]

Oh, just thought it funny how everyone is an expert and each side has the last word. The Word has a say about it also. Seems a trumpet sounds and hail and fire mixed with blood, a third of the world consumed, hummm, something else to legislate. I hope the UN stops that before it happens. And those darn locusts that look like horses with human heads, now get the EPA on that one, are they an endangered species? 

[fstsix]

Stormrider, this video is form a PHD that i trust, Dr Seuss. lol. you cant help but laugh at all this nonsense. http://www.breitbart.tv/bbc-radio-show-explores-copenhagen-through-the-eyes-of-dr-seuss/

[alph]

man, i thought that guys eye's were going to fall out!!

[Radio]

Stormrider, I don't have your # anymore...........

Radio

[..]

Stormrider, this video is form a PHD that i trust, Dr Seuss. lol. you cant help but laugh at all this nonsense. http://www.breitbart.tv/bbc-radio-show-explores-copenhagen-through-the-eyes-of-dr-seuss/

Excellent 

[stormrider]

Stormrider, this video is form a PHD that i trust, Dr Seuss. lol. you cant help but laugh at all this nonsense. http://www.breitbart.tv/bbc-radio-show-explores-copenhagen-through-the-eyes-of-dr-seuss/

Excellent 

That was pretty good.    Although, Paul, I may need you to interpret some of those English/British terms. whew, that wore me out listening to that.

[asfltdncr]

I'm not even going to listen to someone that bizarre looking.

[PAVALKER]

Hundreds Gather To Protest Global Warming.....

[G-Man]

If Monckton is wrong (or any of the other nay-sayers about the 2nd Ice age, Hole in the ozone, Global warming, Climate change), ............Why Won'T Gore Openly Debate Him/Them?   

Is it because only the pro-crisis supporters will pay the $300K (usually from our taxes as he speaks at schools and the like  )?
Is it because each time he does speak, he makes outrageous statements like it's a million degrees inside the earth or that the polar caps will be gone in 7 years?   ???
Is it because of the astonishing discovery that the documents used to push the agenda were falsified and now missing?   ??? 
Is it because the people will finally wake up and see that the $100,000,000,000 (ONE HUNDRED BILLION) promised to the poor countries of the world by this administration will do nothing but increase the savings account balance of dictators and thieving government officials around the world?  (probably not, as the sheep are still being blindly lead by this new religion).      

[stormrider]

If Monckton is wrong (or any of the other nay-sayers about the 2nd Ice age, Hole in the ozone, Global warming, Climate change), ............Why Won'T Gore Openly Debate Him/Them?   

Is it because only the pro-crisis supporters will pay the $300K (usually from our taxes as he speaks at schools and the like  )?
Is it because each time he does speak, he makes outrageous statements like it's a million degrees inside the earth or that the polar caps will be gone in 7 years?   ???
Is it because of the astonishing discovery that the documents used to push the agenda were falsified and now missing?   ??? 
Is it because the people will finally wake up and see that the $100,000,000,000 (ONE HUNDRED BILLION) promised to the poor countries of the world by this administration will do nothing but increase the savings account balance of dictators and thieving government officials around the world?  (probably not, as the sheep are still being blindly lead by this new religion).      

So I'm not the only denier on the lunatic fringe out here?     That was my point two months ago about Copenhagen. Just another ploy to drain your hard earned dollars and put it into the hands of others. And global warming is nothing compared to what else goes on. 

[fstsix]

Looks like they are gonna turn the heat up! "on the liars that is" Millions of dollars to get any info from any whistle blowers.                                                                    If any of the dozens of co-workers in the US or the UK are prepared to give evidence, even if it doesn’t lead to any convictions, they could benefit from a share of tens of millions of dollars in recovered public funds. The Whistleblower idea came up in Internet discussions with top US fraud lawyer, Joel Hesch, of Hesch and Associates and former CIA agent, Kent Clizbe. Clizbe’s idea was to email the offer to all 27 of Mann’s co-workers at Penn State’s Earth System Science Center (ESSC) this weekend.http://www.climategate.com/

[X Ring]

I'm not even going to listen to someone that bizarre looking.

So in your opinion, Einstein shouldn't have been listened to because of his appearance?  Sam Walton shouldn't have been listened to either?  Never, ever judge a book by its cover. 

[dipstick]

Charlie, thanks for posting the nice words of leftie wikipedia ( www.conservapedia.com/Bias_in_wikipedia). Y'all in that state you live in should be thankful for nice guys like ALGORE.

First it was the and ice age the leftie wacko's were trying to cram down our throats, then the ozone we were burning a hole in, now its global warming-wait let me change that cuz its not causing enough of a frenzie "climate change". Cuz that will now cover our a$$es no matter what the weather decides to do all on its own.

Has anyone ever noticed that mother earth pretty much takes pretty darned good care of herself without our interference.

[G-Man]

Charlie, thanks for posting the nice words of leftie wikipedia ( www.conservapedia.com/Bias_in_wikipedia). Y'all in that state you live in should be thankful for nice guys like ALGORE.

First it was the and ice age the leftie wacko's were trying to cram down our throats, then the ozone we were burning a hole in, now its global warming-wait let me change that cuz its not causing enough of a frenzie "climate change". Cuz that will now cover our a$$es no matter what the weather decides to do all on its own.

Has anyone ever noticed that mother earth pretty much takes pretty darned good care of herself without our interference.

While I am COMPLETELY against this whole climate change and Cap & Trade crap, I can't agree with your very last statement.  We needed to clean up our act.  I grew up in NYC and remember seeing that grayish yellow haze that covered the skyline in the 1970's.  I also recall California having that smog problem at that same time.  Exhaust and pollution laws had to be put into place.  But that was based on sound science and common sense, unlike this crap that's based on a hoax.  We need to take of the earth, but I don't see how taking a hundred billion from American citizens and spreading it out to thieves around the world is going to help. 

[Willow]

Well said, G-man.

We do need to continue our progress in taking better care of this world through which we travel.  We don't need to be fleeced by the "elite".

Lest anyone feel I may have made an inappropriate political statement, please note that the terms "fleeced" and "elite" as used above are intended to be general in nature and are references to completely fictional although possibly representative characters not to be misconstrued to indicate or be patterned after any person or persons to which any one of you may be related, have known, or have seen on television.

[Charlie]

Charlie, thanks for posting the nice words of leftie wikipedia ( www.conservapedia.com/Bias_in_wikipedia). Y'all in that state you live in should be thankful for nice guys like ALGORE.

First it was the and ice age the leftie wacko's were trying to cram down our throats, then the ozone we were burning a hole in, now its global warming-wait let me change that cuz its not causing enough of a frenzie "climate change". Cuz that will now cover our a$$es no matter what the weather decides to do all on its own.

Has anyone ever noticed that mother earth pretty much takes pretty darned good care of herself without our interference.

I didn't post anything that was pro or con here.  I just let people know who the guy was and where he comes from.  Apparently, you took it as if I was making some sort of statement, which was not the intent.  I think people should know all the facts when deciding issues, not just the facts they want to hear.

On a similar note, I read Willows post the other day noting the climate scare put out in the 1920's, and found it interesting.  I don't know, but would be interested in finding out, what kind of polution was being added to the environment during that period in history.  I suspect, with the lack of scrubbers back then, that the actual total  amount would compare to the cleaner (but more plentiful) factories of today.  If that were true, and I am not saying it is, it would explain some of the similarity to todays situation.

[Willow]

On a similar note, I read Willows post the other day noting the climate scare put out in the 1920's, and found it interesting.  ... If that were true, and I am not saying it is, it would explain some of the similarity to todays situation.

It wasn't mine, Charlie.  It was posted by the dentist from Crawfordsville.

I really have sort of tried to stay out of this discussion because it gets emotional so quickly that the facts get trampled, but I think the similarity that was being pointed to, regardless of pollution levels, is that in 1922 folks were being told that we only had a few years to live in the coastal cities due to the melting of the polar cap.  Here we are some ninety years later and the coastal cities are still not flooded.

I think some folks may suspect that today's scare is about as valid as the scare of 1922 has been proven to be.

I'm not saying which side of this argument I'm on, but I can tell you that I'm not looking for an electric Valkyrie.

[asfltdncr]

I'm not even going to listen to someone that bizarre looking.

So in your opinion, Einstein shouldn't have been listened to because of his appearance?  Sam Walton shouldn't have been listened to either?  Never, ever judge a book by its cover. 

I'm quite certain that you would me if you saw me.AND....We all use appearances to initially screen.
I just can't help it.  When his eyes are popping out of his frickin' head and he looks like Marty Feldman, I have a tendency to move on to another's opinion.

[Willow]

I'm not even going to listen to someone that bizarre looking.

So in your opinion, Einstein shouldn't have been listened to because of his appearance?  Sam Walton shouldn't have been listened to either?  Never, ever judge a book by its cover. 

I'm quite certain that you would me if you saw me. ...

Dancer, we're going to need a picture to confirm that.

Here's mine so you can see how seriously I should be taken.



I'm the one on the left.

[Skinhead]

Charlie, thanks for posting the nice words of leftie wikipedia ( www.conservapedia.com/Bias_in_wikipedia). Y'all in that state you live in should be thankful for nice guys like ALGORE.

First it was the and ice age the leftie wacko's were trying to cram down our throats, then the ozone we were burning a hole in, now its global warming-wait let me change that cuz its not causing enough of a frenzie "climate change". Cuz that will now cover our a$$es no matter what the weather decides to do all on its own.

Has anyone ever noticed that mother earth pretty much takes pretty darned good care of herself without our interference.

While I am COMPLETELY against this whole climate change and Cap & Trade crap, I can't agree with your very last statement.  We needed to clean up our act.  I grew up in NYC and remember seeing that grayish yellow haze that covered the skyline in the 1970's.  I also recall California having that smog problem at that same time.  Exhaust and pollution laws had to be put into place.  But that was based on sound science and common sense, unlike this crap that's based on a hoax.  We need to take of the earth, but I don't see how taking a hundred billion from American citizens and spreading it out to thieves around the world is going to help. 

I agree G-man, and nice disclaimer Willow.  As far as what kind of pollution we were putting in the air in the 1920's, We burned a lot of coal with no scrubbers, Pumped out mine water into streams, and drove vehicles with no pollution controls.  There is no doubt if we continued those practices, we would have a very dirty planet on our hands. 

I grew up in Pittsburgh in the 60's-80's.  My parents used to talk about how a white shirt in the morning would be covered in soot in an hour.  If you go to Pittsburgh now the air and rivers are relatively clean.  Sure, they make very little steel there now, but the place has sure turned around. 

Like G-man said, the laws that cleaned up the air and water were based on "good" science and facts, not BS.

[Disco]

Here's 8:14 from John Coleman, founder of The Weather Channel.  I thought it was worth my time.  (From an XR650R Yahoo Group email.  See, we're not the only board that goes so far off-topic!   )

http://www.kusi.com/home/78477082.html?video=pop&t=a

[Charlie]

Here's 8:14 from John Coleman, founder of The Weather Channel.  I thought it was worth my time.  (From an XR650R Yahoo Group email.  See, we're not the only board that goes so far off-topic!   )

http://www.kusi.com/home/78477082.html?video=pop&t=a

Now that is the kind of information I like to see.  Well thought out, easy to understand.  Thanks, Dave.

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article7018484.ece

[Clark]

Well said, G-man.

We do need to continue our progress in taking better care of this world through which we travel.  We don't need to be fleeced by the "elite".

Lest anyone feel I may have made an inappropriate political statement, please note that the terms "fleeced" and "elite" as used above are intended to be general in nature and are references to completely fictional although possibly representative characters not to be misconstrued to indicate or be patterned after any person or persons to which any one of you may be related, have known, or have seen on television.

DANG WILLOW. did you write that last paragraph or did ya hire OSS to do it??

[junior]

now lets all desmog our valks and let the cows in kansas pass gas freely  

and let the capt. take that 6th lap