Alec Baldwin just killed someone....

[Psychotic Bovine]

....and severely injured another.
Anti-gun actor Alec Baldwin discharged a prop pistol that apparently had a projectile in it and killed one person and injured another.

ND's can happen to anyone, but the rules of gun safety usually mitigate injuries.  If he wasn't so rabid anti-NRA, he might have listened to the oldest firearms training organization around.
This needs to be investigated.

[Sorcerer]

Director of props needs to be investigated. The person who set up that prop gun will be ultimately responsible. The chain of who handled the firearm needs to be determined. Was the person that was supposed to set up the gun an armor or some kid from wardrobe. Was it someone that had an ax to grind with Baldwin or the person who was killed or the one that was injured.

[f6john]

Director of props needs to be investigated. The person who set up that prop gun will be ultimately responsible. The chain of who handled the firearm needs to be determined. Was the person that was supposed to set up the gun an armor or some kid from wardrobe. Was it someone that had an ax to grind with Baldwin or the person who was killed or the one that was injured.

While what you say is true, the person killed and the person injured were not in the movie being made. No reasonable situation to direct a firearm at them and pull the trigger, even a prop gun. Of course them being the victims allowed for the person in the movie who would have had the firearm directed at them didn’t suffer the same fate.

[Valker]

Brandon Lee..............

[signart]

They are reporting that it was a misfire, which a misfire is a failure to fire.
Assuming since it was a Western movie, if a six shooter was used for the prop, it was either mishandled and dropped with the hammer sitting on a live primer (not likely to kill someone) or the hammer was cocked and the trigger was pulled at close range. An ordinary blank uses a primer, powder and a wad of some sort to keep the powder in.
The wad or percussion can be deadly at close range. Idiots acting foolishly with guns can be deadly.

I have loaded hand gun cases with pistol primers and press the cases in a block of paraffin wax, no powder.
I have no doubt, wax projectiles from a prime alone would penetrate a body at close range, just not a lot of noise like a blank loaded with powder.

[Serk]

I have loaded hand gun cases with pistol primers and press the cases in a block of paraffin wax, no powder.
I have no doubt, wax projectiles from a prime alone would penetrate a body at close range, just not a lot of noise like a blank loaded with powder.

I can confirm wax loads generally will not penetrate flesh, but they do sting. A now deceased father of a friend of mine liked to make such loads and shoot his wife in the butt with them. (This fact is somehow not associated with the fact that he is now deceased.)

Kinda ironic the plot of the movie he was shooting when he started shooting:

"Baldwin had been cast as Old West outlaw Harland Rust, who goes on the run with his 13-year-old grandson after the latter is sentenced to death for an unintentional murder."

So now this anti-gun liberal has more confirmed "gun violence" kills than this Benefactor Patriot Life Member of the NRA, life member of the TSRA, GOA, member of the NAGR, SAF, etc...

[0leman]

I have loaded hand gun cases with pistol primers and press the cases in a block of paraffin wax, no powder.
I have no doubt, wax projectiles from a prime alone would penetrate a body at close range, just not a lot of noise like a blank loaded with powder.

I can confirm wax loads generally will not penetrate flesh, but they do sting. A now deceased father of a friend of mine liked to make such loads and shoot his wife in the butt with them. (This fact is somehow not associated with the fact that he is now deceased.)

Kinda ironic the plot of the movie he was shooting when he started shooting:

"Baldwin had been cast as Old West outlaw Harland Rust, who goes on the run with his 13-year-old grandson after the latter is sentenced to death for an unintentional murder."

So now this anti-gun liberal has more confirmed "gun violence" kills than this Benefactor Patriot Life Member of the NRA, life member of the TSRA, GOA, member of the NAGR, SAF, etc...

Back in the late 60's, I have a single action 357 revolver.   I use magnum pistol primers in 38 special brass and the wax.  I was working on a fast draw target shooting.   Thumb slipped off the hammer and shoot myself in the foot.   Wouldn't be so bad except I was in my house shooting thru a door way to a wallboard setup in a empty bedroom.  I was bare footed at the time.  Did leave a mark for a day or two. Needless to say I was single at the time.  As a side note, never fast drawed with live rounds.

[Psychotic Bovine]

I am sure there is video of this accident.  I do hope the police do a thorough investigation and not just write off Halyna Hutchins because of Alec's "star power".  

I am really wondering what kind of object was in front of that blank that had enough mass to go through one person and injure another.

[..]

More here

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10118665/Rust-movie-set-starring-Alec-Baldwin-LOCKED-New-Mexico.html


Prop masters union claims Alec Baldwin fired LIVE round and not a blank at female cinematographer on set of his new Western movie Rust: Actor 'asked "why was I handed a hot gun" after accidentally killing her and wounding the film's director

[Jess from VA]

Misfire to a firearms person means one of several specific things.

Misfire to Hollywood and press means any accident.

I don't even point unloaded guns (or loaded with blanks) at anyone, let alone pull the trigger while they are pointed at anyone.  I was taught it was poor form. 

[..]

More here

https://www.showbiz411.com/2021/10/22/exclusive-eyewitness-recounts-shooting-on-alec-baldwin-movie-set-one-bullet-ripped-through-both-victims

[Psychotic Bovine]

I know that movie production has different rules, but, in my opinion, the person who handles the firearm has the ultimate responsibility.  If you are handed a firearm, you check it. If you are in the business of shooting even "prop" guns you have to know your stuff. 

[old2soon]

More here

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10118665/Rust-movie-set-starring-Alec-Baldwin-LOCKED-New-Mexico.html


Prop masters union claims Alec Baldwin fired LIVE round and not a blank at female cinematographer on set of his new Western movie Rust: Actor 'asked "why was I handed a hot gun" after accidentally killing her and wounding the film's director

          My QUESTION?? WHY didn't he check the weapon his own self? The list Is LONG with folks killed by an "empty" weapon. Dumb azz comes immediately to mind for a b. RIDE SAFE.

[Psychotic Bovine]

More here

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10118665/Rust-movie-set-starring-Alec-Baldwin-LOCKED-New-Mexico.html


Prop masters union claims Alec Baldwin fired LIVE round and not a blank at female cinematographer on set of his new Western movie Rust: Actor 'asked "why was I handed a hot gun" after accidentally killing her and wounding the film's director

          My QUESTION?? WHY didn't he check the weapon his own self? The list Is LONG with folks killed by an "empty" weapon. Dumb azz comes immediately to mind for a b. RIDE SAFE.

His first reaction was to blame the person who handed the gun to him.  I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess there was some playing around on his part.  Also, considering his long list of arrests for and documented cases of violence, why was he even allowed to handle a firearm? 
The facts remain:  he cocked the pistol.  He pointed the pistol.  He pulled the trigger.

[Sorcerer]

I detest anti gun actors that make a living off of films dependent on firearms. With that being said, if he is as anti gun why would you assume that he could tell a real round from a blank round? Another point, how many times have you watched a film, TV show where you are looking down the business end of a firearm, then it’s fired. Me, a bunch. Yes camera angle is key.

[Serk]

Gun safety 101:
1. Always treat the gun as loaded.
2. Always keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire.
3. Never point a firearm at anything you don't intend to destroy.

[old2soon]

I detest anti gun actors that make a living off of films dependent on firearms. With that being said, if he is as anti gun why would you assume that he could tell a real round from a blank round? Another point, how many times have you watched a film, TV show where you are looking down the business end of a firearm, then it’s fired. Me, a bunch. Yes camera angle is key.

          a b Is a hollyweird "actor" and as a GUESS the person that handed a b the weap[on WILL be in DEEP doodoo. figurin here hollyweird "actors" Are amongst the elite.  RIDE SAFE.

[Psychotic Bovine]

Ok, just to add something to this. I saw a comment on his instagram page that someone suggested that a white supremacist could have been on set and loaded a live round into the pistol.  I wish I was making this up.

[MAD6Gun]

Ok, just to add something to this. I saw a comment on his instagram page that someone suggested that a white supremacist could have been on set and loaded a live round into the pistol.  I wish I was making this up.

 You can't make this up. Bottom line though. It was the idiots responsibility to check the firearm and NOT point it at anyone. If this had happened at a gun club people like Alec Baldwin would be calling for the arrest of the one who caused it. He should be held responsible for his fatal actions....

[Grandpot]

How do you accidentally shoot two people?  How far apart were the shots in time and distance?  If he was doing a quick-draw with rapid fire?  Did he shoot one and then a minute later shoot the next?  Did he think his victims were playing along with him when they screamed in pain?

Bottom line; he's an idiot and needs to go to jail just like if it were you or me in this situation.

[Jess from VA]

How do you accidentally shoot two people? 

Excellent question. 

Double dumb ass stupid. 

[Serk]

How do you accidentally shoot two people?  How far apart were the shots in time and distance?  If he was doing a quick-draw with rapid fire?  Did he shoot one and then a minute later shoot the next?  Did he think his victims were playing along with him when they screamed in pain?

Bottom line; he's an idiot and needs to go to jail just like if it were you or me in this situation.

Initial reports are it was a single shot that went through the first (Deceased) person and continued on to injury the second person.

[Hook#3287]

Alex Baldwin is a typical Hollywood hypocrite.  Period.

He makes money shooting guns on film and condemning them off film.

He has a long history of bad mouthing the NRA and it's supporters.

If he had taken a basic NRA sponsored gun safety class, maybe this would not have happened.

I feel for the victims, but Alex Baldwin and all his elite liberal peers can KMA.

[Psychotic Bovine]

How do you accidentally shoot two people?  How far apart were the shots in time and distance?  If he was doing a quick-draw with rapid fire?  Did he shoot one and then a minute later shoot the next?  Did he think his victims were playing along with him when they screamed in pain?

Bottom line; he's an idiot and needs to go to jail just like if it were you or me in this situation.

Initial reports are it was a single shot that went through the first (Deceased) person and continued on to injury the second person.

That doesn’t fit the narrative here. All these “gun experts” and none seem to realize the ease which projectiles penetrate the entire body. Many seem to want to lynch him due to his gun reform stance. I don’t even know or care what it is. What celebrities think isn’t very important to me. Firearm accidents happen a lot. By some who are cops and handle guns all the time. By some right here.

Please don't side-track my thread. No need for sarcasm by saying 'gun experts' in quotation marks.  There is no "narrative". Mr Baldwin, an avowed anti-gun and anti-NRA actor, negligently discharged a firearm while it was pointed at someone.  The bullet obviously passed through that person and hit another.  Assuming this was a firearm appropriate to a western, it was likely a .45 colt or .44-40.  It was likely a single action revolver, meaning it was intentionally cocked and subsequently fired with a pull of the trigger.  I consider myself an expert in firearms, based on my 4 decades of experience with many types.  I would assume that applies to many people commenting on this thread.  
The gist of my thread was of the hypocrisy of someone who has attacked the NRA (the oldest gun SAFETY organization in the world) and by his ignorance of even basic safety rules caused the death of a person and the injury of another.

Again, please do not derail my thread.  

And I am perfectly aware, as is my brother, of the power of large caliber firearms to pass through many objects, including human beings.  Especially, if the projectile is a round nose bullet, instead of a modern hollowpoint.

[signart]

Well now, it's not as tragic as regular gun violence. You see the press keeps reminding us that it was a misfire from a prop gun that killed this innocent victim. Now they are saying Baldwin discharged the prop gun.
We all know a Hollywood actor can't be charged with negligent homicide for discharging  a prop gun.
It's not like she was killed by the reckless firing an assault rifle.

[..]

Well now, it's not as tragic as regular gun violence. You see the press keeps reminding us that it was a misfire from a prop gun that killed this innocent victim. Now they are saying Baldwin discharged the prop gun.
We all know a Hollywood actor can't be charged with negligent homicide for discharging  a prop gun.
It's not like she was killed by the reckless firing an assault rifle.

Yep.

[Serk]

Wow...

"Hours before actor Alec Baldwin fatally shot a cinematographer on the New Mexico set of “Rust” with a prop gun, a half-dozen camera crew workers walked off the set to protest working conditions."

"Baldwin’s stunt-double accidentally fired two rounds Saturday after being told that the gun was “cold” — lingo for a weapon that doesn’t have any ammunition, including blanks, one of crew members who witnessed the episode told the Los Angeles Times.

“There should have been an investigation into what happened,” said the crew member. “There were no safety meetings. There was no assurance that it wouldn’t happen again. All they wanted to do was rush, rush, rush."

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2021-10-22/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-set

[Psychotic Bovine]

Wow...

"Hours before actor Alec Baldwin fatally shot a cinematographer on the New Mexico set of “Rust” with a prop gun, a half-dozen camera crew workers walked off the set to protest working conditions."

"Baldwin’s stunt-double accidentally fired two rounds Saturday after being told that the gun was “cold” — lingo for a weapon that doesn’t have any ammunition, including blanks, one of crew members who witnessed the episode told the Los Angeles Times.

“There should have been an investigation into what happened,” said the crew member. “There were no safety meetings. There was no assurance that it wouldn’t happen again. All they wanted to do was rush, rush, rush."

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2021-10-22/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-set

A lot of failures.  The two previous ND's should have been more than enough for the principles to check those firearms.  They keep saying the budget for the movie was $6 million.  By the time it's all done, production cost will be $600 million after all the payouts and attorney fees.
Who is the producer?  They will bear a big part of the responsibility. 
Pretty sure this whole situation is not going to go away any time soon.
What a mess.

[RP#62]

Wow...

"Hours before actor Alec Baldwin fatally shot a cinematographer on the New Mexico set of “Rust” with a prop gun, a half-dozen camera crew workers walked off the set to protest working conditions."

"Baldwin’s stunt-double accidentally fired two rounds Saturday after being told that the gun was “cold” — lingo for a weapon that doesn’t have any ammunition, including blanks, one of crew members who witnessed the episode told the Los Angeles Times.

“There should have been an investigation into what happened,” said the crew member. “There were no safety meetings. There was no assurance that it wouldn’t happen again. All they wanted to do was rush, rush, rush."

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2021-10-22/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-set

A lot of failures.  The two previous ND's should have been more than enough for the principles to check those firearms.  They keep saying the budget for the movie was $6 million.  By the time it's all done, production cost will be $600 million after all the payouts and attorney fees.
Who is the producer?  They will bear a big part of the responsibility. 
Pretty sure this whole situation is not going to go away any time soon.
What a mess.

I read that Mr Baldwin was one of the producers.

-RP

[Psychotic Bovine]

Wow...

"Hours before actor Alec Baldwin fatally shot a cinematographer on the New Mexico set of “Rust” with a prop gun, a half-dozen camera crew workers walked off the set to protest working conditions."

"Baldwin’s stunt-double accidentally fired two rounds Saturday after being told that the gun was “cold” — lingo for a weapon that doesn’t have any ammunition, including blanks, one of crew members who witnessed the episode told the Los Angeles Times.

“There should have been an investigation into what happened,” said the crew member. “There were no safety meetings. There was no assurance that it wouldn’t happen again. All they wanted to do was rush, rush, rush."

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2021-10-22/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-set

A lot of failures.  The two previous ND's should have been more than enough for the principles to check those firearms.  They keep saying the budget for the movie was $6 million.  By the time it's all done, production cost will be $600 million after all the payouts and attorney fees.
Who is the producer?  They will bear a big part of the responsibility. 
Pretty sure this whole situation is not going to go away any time soon.
What a mess.

I read that Mr Baldwin was one of the producers.

-RP

Well, the producer is the ultimate-the-buck-stops-here-man-in-charge on a movie set. 
The movie industry is certainly overdue for an overhaul of safety regulations.

[..]

Wow...

"Hours before actor Alec Baldwin fatally shot a cinematographer on the New Mexico set of “Rust” with a prop gun, a half-dozen camera crew workers walked off the set to protest working conditions."

"Baldwin’s stunt-double accidentally fired two rounds Saturday after being told that the gun was “cold” — lingo for a weapon that doesn’t have any ammunition, including blanks, one of crew members who witnessed the episode told the Los Angeles Times.

“There should have been an investigation into what happened,” said the crew member. “There were no safety meetings. There was no assurance that it wouldn’t happen again. All they wanted to do was rush, rush, rush."

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2021-10-22/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-set

A level of blatant irresponsibility.

[Skinhead]

I'd rather let the family grieve their loss, and Mr. Baldwin (whom I dislike immensely) a chance to come to grips with what he has done, before I joke about this tragedy.  That said, comedy is a way of dealing with it.

My son works as a stuntman in the industry.  He called me and told me about this incident before it hit the news.  Since he is usually on the wrong end of a firearm as part of his job, he takes safety, especially gun safety very seriously.  He said before every scene involving firearms, he does not take the armorer's word that a weapon is safe, he inspects them himself.  I would NOT want to be the armorer that was responsible for the weapon involved in this incident.

From the articles I read about this, it sounds like the state of NM may have given the production company tax incentives if they use NM residents on this projects.  They said the props manager and armorer were locals and not union.  Both of those, if true, may have resulted in less experienced, non-professional people doing jobs that are critical to performers safety.

Actors are fawned over in Hollywood, but they are no more important than the average Joe and Jane Blows that work in the industry.  They are just more famous and paid more.

I'm sorry this happened.

[Grandpot]

What was live (real) ammunition doing on a movie set in the first place?  What was a gun that can fire live ammunition doing on a movie set?

Stunt guns are supposed to a sleve in the barrel to prevent a bullet from passing through,  but still allow a muzzle flash.

[Skinhead]

What was live (real) ammunition doing on a movie set in the first place?  What was a gun that can fire live ammunition doing on a movie set?

Stunt guns are supposed to a sleve in the barrel to prevent a bullet from passing through,  but still allow a muzzle flash.

That is the first I've heard of any sleeves in barrels, and I don't think it has been proven yet that the projectile that cause her death was actually a bullet, although that would be the simplest explanation.  Real gun and real bullet.  We'll have to wait for the report.

[hubcapsc]

What was a gun that can fire live ammunition doing on a movie set?

In some movies and teevee shows I know they use authentic vintage guns
that are worth way too much to plug...

-Mike

[Jersey mike]

What was a gun that can fire live ammunition doing on a movie set?

In some movies and teevee shows I know they use authentic vintage guns
that are worth way too much to plug...

-Mike

It’s not the gun, it’s what’s loaded in the gun that causes issues.

Was it defective blanks? Don’t know on my part.

IMO blame rests on the pro prepping the gun as well as the actor. However if the actor is a novice and can’t tell the difference between the real thing and a blank that’s a whole other issue. I doubt Baldwin will be charged.

[Hook#3287]

What was a gun that can fire live ammunition doing on a movie set?

In some movies and teevee shows I know they use authentic vintage guns
that are worth way too much to plug...

-Mike

It’s not the gun, it’s what’s loaded in the gun that causes issues.

Was it defective blanks? Don’t know on my part.

IMO blame rests on the pro prepping the gun as well as the actor. However if the actor is a novice and can’t tell the difference between the real thing and a blank that’s a whole other issue. I doubt Baldwin will be charged.

Charged? Probably not.

Sued? Probably so.

[Grandpot]

What was live (real) ammunition doing on a movie set in the first place?  What was a gun that can fire live ammunition doing on a movie set?

Stunt guns are supposed to a sleve in the barrel to prevent a bullet from passing through,  but still allow a muzzle flash.

That is the first I've heard of any sleeves in barrels, and I don't think it has been proven yet that the projectile that cause her death was actually a bullet, although that would be the simplest explanation.  Real gun and real bullet.  We'll have to wait for the report.

Sleeved barrels are used in semiautomatic  prop guns to create back-presure that will then provide enough recoil to cycle the slide.  It's obvious now that the gun Baldwin used was a revolver and most likely did not have a restricted barrel.

[..]

More here

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10123003/I-wasnt-sure-ready-Doubts-head-armorer-24-charge-guns-Alec-Baldwin-film.html

[Psychotic Bovine]

More here

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10123003/I-wasnt-sure-ready-Doubts-head-armorer-24-charge-guns-Alec-Baldwin-film.html

That was a pretty comprehensive article. It does confirm something I had originally thought, and that was the gun was pointed at the camera and it's operator (Hutchins).  The article stating that a firearm just went off earlier in a cabin the day before is ludicrous, though.  A firearm going off completely by itself, with no external action taken, is nearly impossible.  It only happens regularly in fiction.  And a single action metallic cartridge revolver, literally, cannot go off by itself.  Period.