Cost of fuel/energy question?

[carolinarider09]

In theory, sanctions will be placed Russia.  As you can see in the link below, Russia is a major oil supplier.  It trade is limited, oil will be worth more because there is less of it.

It appears that the Saudi's and the Russians have a deal so they will not increase output (the Saudis). 

Less product makes the available product worth more. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2022/02/21/russia-is-a-major-supplier-of-oil-to-the-us/?sh=4ed7837718c3

[cookiedough]

well if gas goes up to over 4 bucks per gallon which it probably will maybe businesses will once again request workers to STAY HOME and work much like they did past 2 years with COVID.  I doubt that will happen though but wishful thinking?

[valkmc]

I quit driving my Ram Hemi that gets 16.5 mpg if I take it easy. I am happy to ride one of the bikes to work, side benefit is I'm happy at work and when I get home. My 97 tourer gets right around 30 and the F6 get 36.

[Rams]

I quit driving my Ram Hemi that gets 16.5 mpg if I take it easy. I am happy to ride one of the bikes to work, side benefit is I'm happy at work and when I get home. My 97 tourer gets right around 30 and the F6 get 36.

I have several choices of transportation available, I try to always select the one appropriate to the task at hand.   My greatest challenge is selecting between the two and three wheeled Valks.

It is, what it is.   A dilemma of my own making.   

Rams

[old2soon]

      Just looked at the fuel stop I frequent in Pomona Mo. Earlier in the week they were at $2.97 a gal on 87 octane. They are now at $3.09 gal 87 octane. But it were expected cuz 46 said so!  RIDE SAFE.

[sidecarwilliam]

Lowest price I have seen here (Nor Cal) was $4.30 with Chevron on the other corner $5.45.
My poor Valk with a sidecar gets, at best, 19MPG which is why I have a 5gal. aux tank and a 3 1/2 gal. saddlebag tank.

[Rams]

My local news station reported on current rising prices and stated to expect regular unleaded fuel to exceed $4.00 but didn't say by how much............  

There is talk of dropping the federal fuel tax.   Please tell me again how all that road and bridge building money passed last year is going to get paid for............   And yet, our President still does nothing about drilling, fracking and pipelines.   It takes time to bring those things back on line.   So, if policiies changed today (which it's obvious it won't) it's take six months to a year to see additional supply.

Bidden voters should hang their heads in shame IMO.  Putin has wanted to take back Ukraine for over a decade, anyone think they know why he waited till now?

Rams

[scooperhsd]

DIesel was $3.799, and Regular Gas was about $.20 less. And it was down at well less than $3.00 befire Biden's inaugeration....

[carolinarider09]

There is talk of dropping the federal fuel tax.   Please tell me again how all that road and bridge building money passed last year is going to get paid for............   And yet, our President still does nothing about drilling, fracking and pipelines.   It takes time to bring those things back on line.   So, if policiies changed today (which it's obvious it won't) it's take six months to a year to see additional supply.

Bidden voters should hang their heads in shame IMO.  Putin has wanted to take back Ukraine for over a decade, anyone think they know why he waited till now?

Rams

 
Agreed

[MarkT]

We live in horse country here.  So lots of folks have dually 1 ton 4-door 5th wheel horse haulers.  What has perplexed me in the past is, you usually see them running around with driver only and no cargo.  What, 5-6 mpg to get a pack of smokes?  Running that fuel hog over 90% of the time empty so they have the capability for <10% of their use.  With the current Biden economy fiasco I don't see that so much anymore.  Obviously, crunching the numbers proved to the folks who can afford those vehicles and the horse hobby they can also afford a VW or the like for 90% of their travel.  What's a truck like that cost anyway?  High 5 figures, right?

[Rams]

We live in horse country here.  So lots of folks have dually 1 ton 4-door 5th wheel horse haulers.  What has perplexed me in the past is, you usually see them running around with driver only and no cargo.  What, 5-6 mpg to get a pack of smokes?  Running that fuel hog over 90% of the time empty so they have the capability for <10% of their use.  With the current Biden economy fiasco I don't see that so much anymore.  Obviously, crunching the numbers proved to the folks who can afford those vehicles and the horse hobby they can also afford a VW or the like for 90% of their travel.  What's a truck like that cost anyway?  High 5 figures, right?

Probably closer to 10 mpg but, you have a good point.   I can see someone in your area wanting at least one 4 WD but, the question is, does it need to be that truck........   How much is that vehicle going to be used to pull those trailers during inclement weather or off road.   

I have a stock trailer my daughter borrows to haul her horse from time to time, it's also what I haul two Valkyries in.   Multiple use trailer.     My truck is also a diesel but, it's two wheel drive and a regular cab.   The least popular truck on the road but, I also get the best fuel mileage of any truck built that can pull just as big/heavy trailer with a load and it does it more efficiently.   I'm not big into the truck fad thing.   Although, I am guilty when it comes to Valkyries.   

Rams

[F6Dave]

Here's another way to look at mileage. My Tourer gets about 32 MPG, so it burns 4 ounces of fuel per mile. If I take a ride with 3 other Valks we're burning a pint per mile. That works out to 8 MPG for a group ride. We'd more than double our collective mileage if we all rode in my F150 Supercrew!

Thankfully we still have the option to choose our mode of transportation. But if the dems who came up with the Green New Deal could do math, they'd probably include a provision banning group rides.

[carolinarider09]

Thankfully we still have the option to choose our mode of transportation. But if the dems who came up with the Green New Deal could do math, they'd probably include a provision banning group rides.

Be careful what you ask/wish for.  If the dems could they would ban all travel with a single person in a gasoline powered vehicle making "car pooling" are requirement.  That is all except members of congress and persons worth over $5Million.   They would be exempt, because they are special.

[..]

Thankfully we still have the option to choose our mode of transportation. But if the dems who came up with the Green New Deal could do math, they'd probably include a provision banning group rides.

Be careful what you ask/wish for.  If the dems could they would ban all travel with a single person in a gasoline powered vehicle making "car pooling" are requirement.  That is all except members of congress and persons worth over $5Million.   They would be exempt, because they are special.

Fuel costs don't matter to many Democrat voters. Living in urban areas there are public transport and "ride share" options. Most will never own or even drive a vehicle.

[F6Dave]

I just read an interesting statistic from the WSJ. In 2000, there were less than 2 dozen major power blackouts in the US. That number has now increased to nearly 200 per year. The Texas disaster of last year will become common if we continue down the path that Joe read from the teleprompter last night.

So where will we charge all the new EVs?

[carolinarider09]

Part of the problem is that we have (the people/those in charge) lost our way when it comes to what is really important.  

The military is looking at cultural issues instead of how to fight.   Same thing for local municipalities.  They care not about the "infrastructure". They care about what they can do to buy votes.  

Power outages are more common because the standards for maintaining the "grid" and power station maintenance are secondary to the Wokeness of the current party in power.  

Just one example.   Here, were I live, I am on a power grid maintained by the city.  They have help but its their responsibility.  The local power grid in Newberry, SC is maintained mostly by the Newberry Cooperative (actually not a bad group but...).  The ice storm we just had caused major power outages form fallen trees and limbs.  And while that is understandable, the fact that just after it happened and power was restored you see a helicopter doing power line clearing is basically "why did you wait".  So why "AFTER THE FACT"?  I suspect the because those in charge are more interested in "relations" then grid maintenance.  

Here is what can and should be routinely done (SP).  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pla06PO6Odk


Edited to correct spelling.  (There may be others).

[..]

Atlanta radio news reporting that the gas thieves are back. Drilling holes in car gas tanks.

[Jess from VA]

Claymores.  Kinda hard on the car, but harder on the thieves.

[old2soon]

Here's another way to look at mileage. My Tourer gets about 32 MPG, so it burns 4 ounces of fuel per mile. If I take a ride with 3 other Valks we're burning a pint per mile. That works out to 8 MPG for a group ride. We'd more than double our collective mileage if we all rode in my F150 Supercrew!

Thankfully we still have the option to choose our mode of transportation. But if the dems who came up with the Green New Deal could do math, they'd probably include a provision banning group rides.

       aw c'mon man-"they" have nuff ideas bout regulating fun as it are!  RIDE SAFE.

[pais]

Here in NE Ohio, gas is at $3.70/gal. Surely $4.00/gal by Easter.


Ride share, public transportation, bike friendly and pedestrian friendly all sound good. This is what they, the Dems, preach but don't practice. Most Dems live by the mantra, "do as I say, not as I do".
The people they claim to want to help are the people that are hurt the worst, when gas prices rise like this. Getting to work becomes more expen$ive. Groceries prices rise along with most everything else. I was a jr. in high school as the Carter years were coming to a close. I think the Carter years will look good in contrast to what we will see by the end of this administration's term. Truly a sad time in this country's history.

Even the Republicans chip in by offering to lower the gas tax. So which is it, infrastructure is crumbling or we can ensure votes if we lower the gas tax? Both sides of the isle stink!

One thing is for sure, no mean tweets.

[cookiedough]

well for those of us still working not retired,  now that Covid restrictions have been lifted,  like most,  will be having to go back into office near full time for sure by April 1st.   That means, besides the increase in gas cost,  about 2 more grand for gas out of our pocket in 2022 for both of us. 

during Covid,  both of us were at home for 2 years wife, 1 year me.  Amazing what we saved in gas costs driving 32 miles one way both of us for work, not too mention 15-25K miles off our vehicles each.  Hate to say it, but Covid was great for us. 

[carolinarider09]

You know that very thought crossed my mind, if I was not retried and got to work from home (which I could have done I think doing what I was doing), I would have saved 60 miles round trip in gas.  And the same wage.   

Not happy about the "shutdown" but just an interesting assessment. 

[RNFWP]

My wife started working from home mid March 2020. She didn't like working from home. One of the few nice parts was that her traveling came to an end. She had been out of town on business trips about 50% of the time for years. During covid the small team she was on slowly, one by one, retired or got reassigned. She landed a no travel required assignment here in the home office. Less than 5 miles to work. So her fuel consumption will actually be about the same as it ever was.

Me, I don't ever seem to know what I'm doing or where I'm going. Can't tell if fuel inflation will impact that or not. If it does I'll try to remember to make a note of it here. 

[cookiedough]

You know that very thought crossed my mind, if I was not retried and got to work from home (which I could have done I think doing what I was doing), I would have saved 60 miles round trip in gas.  And the same wage.   

Not happy about the "shutdown" but just an interesting assessment. 

the so called 'shutdown' never really affected us mentally much at all since 95% of the time besides  working and doing shopping on weekends (groceries, etc.) we do not travel or go places much weekly or monthly.  It was pretty much normal living for us day to day.   Covid actually saved us big bucks in the 1,000's and those 'relief' funds coming in did not hurt either.    The 'free' money we got from the govt. was suppose to stimulate the economy, it just went into our bank account is all....

It is not liked any of us were 'on lockdown' forced to stay inside.  There was plenty of 'nature type' settings to go to during Covid no need to go out to eat or travel long distance places say using airfare or cruise ship. 

[Patrick]

Claymores.  Kinda hard on the car, but harder on the thieves.

Oh oh oh, Love 'em. Simple, and, they work ! Mind which way they're pointed !

[F6Dave]

In just 2 days, oil skyrocketed from the mid $90s to $114 per barrel. Ukraine is a factor, but the SOTU speech may have moved it more. While naive dems may believe in green fantasies, the market understands supply and demand. With demand for fossil fuels increasing for the foreseeable future, cutting supply will only increase prices. And not just oil and gas, but coal too. Look at Peabody Energy (ticker BTU).

The Russians must love Joe. And there's probably a real dossier on that.

[carolinarider09]

Oh, and I understand that the increase in oil from the reserve is only about five days worth.   Really helpful. 

Not to mention the overall impact on crops in the coming months.  You can carpool, in some cases, to work.  But you cannot really "farm pool". 

[h13man]

I filled up all gas cans and the Ridgeline Monday @ $3.46 plus .10 discount and $73 later. Filled the SX4 (10 gal. tank) @ $3.53 @ Sam's yesterday though everybody else was @ $3.79.

[cookiedough]

yep, stockpile as much as you can for gas will only keep going up and up.   

NO ONE that I know of is looking forward to going back into the offices at any employer.  My wife made a comment tonight she cannot stand her boss any longer and that was when AT HOME.  ONCE in office come April,  not sure she will tolerate even seeing her face.    Heard a lot of folks are so use to being at home and doing a good job at home past 2 years feel there is not much need to be in office daily anymore .  I agree if work can be done at home for us is over 1.5 hrs. of driving time and 15K miles more off each vehicle per year. 

[sidecarwilliam]

Not sure what I am going to do now.  Reg gas at $6.29 across the Bay (Menlo Park CA).  My Valk/Champion only gets 19/20 mpg and its the bike I use the most.  Hate to think I will be relying on my '58 Nash Metro (40 mpg).
The local "gas expert" says maybe another $1.00 per
Does this mean its a BMW R27 for bike rides?
Welcome to the next level.

[Rams]

In just 2 days, oil skyrocketed from the mid $90s to $114 per barrel. Ukraine is a factor, but the SOTU speech may have moved it more. While naive dems may believe in green fantasies, the market understands supply and demand. With demand for fossil fuels increasing for the foreseeable future, cutting supply will only increase prices. And not just oil and gas, but coal too. Look at Peabody Energy (ticker BTU).

The Russians must love Joe. And there's probably a real dossier on that.

Was reported that oil hit $130 a barrel this morning.   Don't expect it to drop until Europe settles down or Biden opens the oil spicket here.   If, Russia's aggression doesn't drive a world war, it's going to cause a worldwide recession at least.  The energy answers here in the US are so obvious but, Biden is still sitting on his hands.   Very disheartening to watch all this unnecessary misery.

Rams

[F6Dave]

In just 2 days, oil skyrocketed from the mid $90s to $114 per barrel. Ukraine is a factor, but the SOTU speech may have moved it more. While naive dems may believe in green fantasies, the market understands supply and demand. With demand for fossil fuels increasing for the foreseeable future, cutting supply will only increase prices. And not just oil and gas, but coal too. Look at Peabody Energy (ticker BTU).

The Russians must love Joe. And there's probably a real dossier on that.

Was reported that oil hit $130 a barrel this morning.   Don't expect it to drop until Europe settles down or Biden opens the oil spicket here.   If, Russia's aggression doesn't drive a world war, it's going to cause a worldwide recession at least.  The energy answers here in the US are so obvious but, Biden is still sitting on his hands.   Very disheartening to watch all this unnecessary misery.

Rams

When oil first hit $90 last month, we thought that was high.

Fill up while you can. Today's $4 gas will soon seem like a bargain! And these prices will affect virtually everything else you buy.

[..]

Not sure what I am going to do now.  Reg gas at $6.29 across the Bay (Menlo Park CA).  My Valk/Champion only gets 19/20 mpg and its the bike I use the most.  Hate to think I will be relying on my '58 Nash Metro (40 mpg).
The local "gas expert" says maybe another $1.00 per
Does this mean its a BMW R27 for bike rides?
Welcome to the next level.

Sarcasm

You don't have an electric bike???

Shame on you 

[..]

I hope this doesn't have an impact on Inzane.

[Farside]

  Well I'm not changing my plans this late in the game. Leaving for Napa Valley Saturday for a week planned 6 months ago. I've heard that gas in now over $6 gal.   Bite the bullet

[hubcapsc]

Well I'm not changing my plans this late in the game. Leaving for Napa Valley Saturday for a week planned 6 months ago. I've heard that gas in now over $6 gal.   Bite the bullet

My wife laughs at me for not paying attention to how much gas costs.

The Mini requires hi-test... I noticed yesterday... over $4.50! I put
over $50.00 of gas in my car!



-Mike "in South Carolina..."

[Avanti]

Well I'm not changing my plans this late in the game. Leaving for Napa Valley Saturday for a week planned 6 months ago. I've heard that gas in now over $6 gal.   Bite the bullet

Well if you are talking about Napa Valley CA that would be a 800 mile a day ride every day for 7 days to go there and back. Now that is going riding!

[F6Dave]

The energy answers here in the US are so obvious but, Biden is still sitting on his hands...

Rams

I think it's intentional. Remember Obama saying energy prices would 'necessarily skyrocket' when coal was phased out? Joe's decisions are surely being made by people sharing that point of view, possibly with direct input from BHO himself. Joe clearly doesn't understand much of this. Hopefully those foolish enough to believe the green fantasies he campaigned on are gaining a better understanding of economics.

[old2soon]

         Well some of us here already KNOW AMERICA Is capable of pumping All the oil WE need! And I'll stop right here before I git too far off track. RIDE SAFE.

[Jersey mike]

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/doe-petroleum-reserve-exxonmobil/2022/03/07/id/1060031/

Releasing oil reserves doesn’t do squat as well as they need to be repleni$hed and (I thought) were for actual emergencies.