Anyone have the Jersey Signal Boss installed?

[John Schmidt]

Steve installed it on my I/S at Inzane last year and worked great. However, today I started the trike for the first time in quite a while and it doesn't work. I get one initial flash...then nothing, so wondering where or what to look for. I can't find the instructions anywhere which isn't a surprise...can't find much of anything in the shop since moving.

Since his system works on a momentary impulse provided by the turn signal lever, I'm tempted to try a rough install of the Signal Dynamics module. That module won't normally work with our goofy one lever system(part of the reason I went to HD controls on my old bike) because in stock form it provides a constant voltage. The SD module won't work with that, but the internal mod that Steve did to the turn signal lever applies only a momentary pulse which makes me think the SD module would work. Any opinions? It's a simple installation, I used it on the old 2-wheel Valk for many years without any issues once I installed the HD controls on the handlbars. They use a turn button on each side, I'll never understand why Honda uses their antiquated method.

[Avanti]

Institutions:
SigEnhancer operation


After 5 clicks of the Brake Lights, it enter Configuration Mode
   Yes when the left turn Press & Held flashes once every second.
Yes when right turn Press & Released it flashes the number off flashes that left turn set.
   Yes the turn signals are know working in timer mode.
   Yes, the clutch and neutral suspend the turn timer.


Can set the EXACT delay period for auto-canceling turn signals - measured in milliseconds.  How: Once in configuration mode, you Press & Hold the left turn switch for the exact time you want the delay to be.  Then you Release and Press the right turn switch to lock-in that time into memory.  You can enter Configuration Mode anytime while stationary or moving.

Neutral suspends the Auto cancel function. This is the same as how the brake light affects the timing.  Now if either the Neutral or Brake lights are active, the Auto cancel timer is suspended and the turn signal will continue to blink.  When both are no longer active, then the Auto cancel timer will be engaged and cancel the turn signal after the set amount of time.

[Mooskee]

John, I put a PDF scan of the installation instructions that came with my SignalBoss here:

www.valkyriecarbsandcustom.com scroll down to "Instructions and information file downloads." it is the last document.

Dave

[John Schmidt]

Institutions:
SigEnhancer operation


After 5 clicks of the Brake Lights, it enter Configuration Mode
   Yes when the left turn Press & Held flashes once every second.
Yes when right turn Press & Released it flashes the number off flashes that left turn set.
   Yes the turn signals are know working in timer mode.
   Yes, the clutch and neutral suspend the turn timer.


Can set the EXACT delay period for auto-canceling turn signals - measured in milliseconds.  How: Once in configuration mode, you Press & Hold the left turn switch for the exact time you want the delay to be.  Then you Release and Press the right turn switch to lock-in that time into memory.  You can enter Configuration Mode anytime while stationary or moving.

Neutral suspends the Auto cancel function. This is the same as how the brake light affects the timing.  Now if either the Neutral or Brake lights are active, the Auto cancel timer is suspended and the turn signal will continue to blink.  When both are no longer active, then the Auto cancel timer will be engaged and cancel the turn signal after the set amount of time.

Doesn't do any of the lines above in yellow. After the 5 brake clicks, the left turn will flash once and then nothing. Right turn does nothing at all.

[Avanti]

Needs a good ground. You probably already checked the ground.

[John Schmidt]

I'll double check it but what's strange is it has worked until now where/how it was attached to the fairing framework. Stay tuned!

[Avanti]

Do not forget that grounds anywhere in the fairing need to pass through the steering stem. So maybe for testing purposes, ground to the frame.

[John Schmidt]

Do not forget that grounds anywhere in the fairing need to pass through the steering stem. So maybe for testing purposes, ground to the frame.

True, that can create issues that are often hard to pin down. I have a jumper with alligator clips and will run it from the System ground directly to the frame for testing purposes. Kinda strange, Steve actually installed it for me(guess he took pity on an old man ) and he bolted it to the fairing stay on the left side at the top. Maybe all my messing with R&R the forks for an oil change created my problem. Wouldn't be the first time I've fostered my own headache.  

UPDATE: Well, just checked with a jumper direct to the frame. Result; it's not a ground problem. My son-in-law has one of those kits we've never got around to installing. I'm going to get him to dig out the instructions, the original website is no longer operating.

[-mike-]

I've uploaded the manual v.7:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1j2GOVSZ9DTwVNxKEVvf9VLk3Q71KZWes/view?usp=sharing

John,

As I'm probably the one responsible for your issue, as the latest modules have been changed by my request. Now they do work for European models, too.

The one flash indicates that the module has resetted itself for EU wiring possibly due to voltage sag while resting so long.

Check the version number written on your module.
I'd bet you have installed version v.8a or later which have added a first configuration step to be set up for the different wiring of US vs. EU Valkyrie models.

See the new manual:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sLy2plAMlxI-iMdzyqyvNQQ_T7ZwR4lZ/view?usp=sharing

Best of luck,

-mike-

[John Schmidt]

Aha...just looked and it has 8e written on the label. Guess I'll take a look at your link to the latest manual. I'll post my luck...good or bad.  

After looking at the new manual, I noticed it only has instructions for the Std./Tourer. Mine is an I/S, I would think there wouldn't be much difference in the function for initial setup. I did some preliminary operational checks following the manual. First, upon connecting the red 2 pin I get the double flash which indicates US configuration. Then I tested for flashing when I turn on the ignition...no joy. However, I do get both the escort side to side flash and also the double four-way flash. I haven't looked any further but it appears I need to reset the turn signal function. I do recall getting the flashes when I first turned the key on, I don't get that now. I'll post back here later, right now it's a bit chilly out there in the garage. I'm sick to death of this Wisconsin weather. 

[Avanti]

Check your email for SignalBoss - GL1500CF Installation Instructions.pdf

[John Schmidt]

Check your email for SignalBoss - GL1500CF Installation Instructions.pdf

Thanks Gene, I saved and printed it out. I have one for the Std./Tourer which is probably functionally the same, it appears the installation for the I/S is a bit more involved. So far I've had no luck with getting the turns to work.

[Avanti]

Would a pin out diagram of the 14 pin Interstate connector to signal boss help?

[John Schmidt]

After downloading the I/S manual and printing it out, I tried to reconfigure the turns/cancel delay operation via the printed procedure, all to no avail. The escort system works and the 4-way flashers work, nothing else. I don't get the flashes I used to get when I first turned on the key I'm about done messing with it & will most likely remove the kit entirely later this week to go back to OEM for the time being. It all worked before, have no clue why it doesn't now. I've not done any wiring changes since adding a USB port and the system worked fine both before and after doing that so I know that's not the issue. I'm beginning to think it may actually be the module itself but have no way to test it. Money down the drain I guess.

[John Schmidt]

Would a pin out diagram of the 14 pin Interstate connector to signal boss help?

I'll take a look at those connectors again but doubt that's a problem. I looked at all the connections before and didn't see anything that may be suspect.

UPDATE: No change, wiggled & pressed all connections together once again. Checked for pinched/broken wires...nothing. No wires dislodged...I'm stumped.

[Avanti]

Make sure that the pins in the connectors are properly secured to each wire.

[WoodyFL]

After downloading the I/S manual and printing it out, I tried to reconfigure the turns/cancel delay operation via the printed procedure, all to no avail. The escort system works and the 4-way flashers work, nothing else. I don't get the flashes I used to get when I first turned on the key I'm about done messing with it & will most likely remove the kit entirely later this week to go back to OEM for the time being. It all worked before, have no clue why it doesn't now. I've not done any wiring changes since adding a USB port and the system worked fine both before and after doing that so I know that's not the issue. I'm beginning to think it may actually be the module itself but have no way to test it. Money down the drain I guess.

John,
I also have an I/S. There was another module that I had to get from Jersey in order for the turn signal not to auto cancel in neutral. Everything worked for about a year and  a half and then all of a sudden, nothing. My brake lights would not come on and I would not get any auto cancel. Took 3 weekends to try and track down the problem to no avail. I finally removed both the modules and went back to OEM and everything worked again. I talked to Jersey about it and he offered to replace the modules but I decided it wasn't worth it. Just went back to cancelling the turn signals manually.

Bob

[John Schmidt]

After downloading the I/S manual and printing it out, I tried to reconfigure the turns/cancel delay operation via the printed procedure, all to no avail. The escort system works and the 4-way flashers work, nothing else. I don't get the flashes I used to get when I first turned on the key I'm about done messing with it & will most likely remove the kit entirely later this week to go back to OEM for the time being. It all worked before, have no clue why it doesn't now. I've not done any wiring changes since adding a USB port and the system worked fine both before and after doing that so I know that's not the issue. I'm beginning to think it may actually be the module itself but have no way to test it. Money down the drain I guess.

John,
I also have an I/S. There was another module that I had to get from Jersey in order for the turn signal not to auto cancel in neutral. Everything worked for about a year and  a half and then all of a sudden, nothing. My brake lights would not come on and I would not get any auto cancel. Took 3 weekends to try and track down the problem to no avail. I finally removed both the modules and went back to OEM and everything worked again. I talked to Jersey about it and he offered to replace the modules but I decided it wasn't worth it. Just went back to cancelling the turn signals manually.

Bob

Bob, I also think that's my best plan for now. I have an idea I'm working on which should be less involved, will let you know. What did you do with the internals of the turn signal switch, did you remove the foam or springs when you went back to OEM?

[WoodyFL]

After downloading the I/S manual and printing it out, I tried to reconfigure the turns/cancel delay operation via the printed procedure, all to no avail. The escort system works and the 4-way flashers work, nothing else. I don't get the flashes I used to get when I first turned on the key I'm about done messing with it & will most likely remove the kit entirely later this week to go back to OEM for the time being. It all worked before, have no clue why it doesn't now. I've not done any wiring changes since adding a USB port and the system worked fine both before and after doing that so I know that's not the issue. I'm beginning to think it may actually be the module itself but have no way to test it. Money down the drain I guess.

John,
I also have an I/S. There was another module that I had to get from Jersey in order for the turn signal not to auto cancel in neutral. Everything worked for about a year and  a half and then all of a sudden, nothing. My brake lights would not come on and I would not get any auto cancel. Took 3 weekends to try and track down the problem to no avail. I finally removed both the modules and went back to OEM and everything worked again. I talked to Jersey about it and he offered to replace the modules but I decided it wasn't worth it. Just went back to cancelling the turn signals manually.

Bob

Bob, I also think that's my best plan for now. I have an idea I'm working on which should be less involved, will let you know. What did you do with the internals of the turn signal switch, did you remove the foam or springs when you went back to OEM?

John,
Yes, I took out all the foam and springs and went back to the OEM.

Bob

[John Schmidt]

Woddy...hope you kept those springs/foam. Tell ya later. 

[SCain]

John,
I also have an I/S. There was another module that I had to get from Jersey in order for the turn signal not to auto cancel in neutral. Everything worked for about a year and  a half and then all of a sudden, nothing. My brake lights would not come on and I would not get any auto cancel. Took 3 weekends to try and track down the problem to no avail. I finally removed both the modules and went back to OEM and everything worked again. I talked to Jersey about it and he offered to replace the modules but I decided it wasn't worth it. Just went back to cancelling the turn signals manually.

Bob

I had the same experience on my Interstate.

[John Schmidt]

Went ahead and pulled the system out today, waiting for a part to come in to try a different approach. Should be here tomorrow, I'll let you all know if my experiment is successful.

[2KVISRiderDan]

John, I have a unit I bought for my 98 standard trike from Steve before he shut down.  When I recently got ready to install it recently, I couldn't find the instruction. I emailed Steve & he responded quickly, sending me a link to his saved files on Dropbox.

[2KVISRiderDan]

John, I just emailed Steve's installation files to you.

[John Schmidt]

Went ahead and pulled the system out today, waiting for a part to come in to try a different approach. Should be here tomorrow, I'll let you all know if my experiment is successful.

My experiment works fine, see a separate post covering the installation.

[Chrisj CMA]

I’ve had mine for five years or so. It’s been flawless. The touchy part is the switch. Getting the foam and or springs right can be a challenge but once you get it life is good. I think Jersey is a genius. To design this from scratch and provide it to this club is fantastic.

I don’t think anyone should give up on this. Just fine tune the thumb switch. The system is solid. If it worked before it will work again.

[John Schmidt]

Chris, the switch works fine as designed by him using the foam. Still does with my current system. I tried numerous times to get it to work with no luck. At one point I actually "reinstalled" it to no avail. My module was a later model revision and can't help wonder if that might have something to do with it. I agree, it was a well thought out design by a well educated person and I appreciate his work. It remains that mine no longer worked after a year so finally gave up and removed it. I installed a Signal Dynamics module in its place which gives me self-cancelling with three time periods available. It works fine, I don't need the hazards or escort flashers.