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Author Topic: At my wit's end with front suspension  (Read 4938 times)
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« Reply #40 on: August 17, 2022, 07:00:58 AM »

All noted.
Thank you, Ron.
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« Reply #41 on: August 17, 2022, 09:04:12 AM »

The deceased horse has been beaten to a pulp.  This isn't rocket science.
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« Reply #42 on: August 17, 2022, 09:51:30 AM »

they could have just shot the horse instead. Knapdog, what's the bike's name?



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« Reply #43 on: August 17, 2022, 10:00:08 AM »

they could have just shot the horse instead. Knapdog, what's the bike's name?

It's a horse with no name, Ron.
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« Reply #44 on: August 17, 2022, 11:07:05 AM »

oh that is hilarious
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« Reply #45 on: August 18, 2022, 07:20:27 AM »

I know that the horse is dead, but I just wanted to say I took Knapdog's advice and went back and re-torqued the front axle bolt and pinch bolts as he recommended. I have to say I definitely see a difference after taking the bike for a test ride. The front suspension is a lot smoother and the bike handles better when I'm making left and right turns. Thanks again to everyone for the great advice! cooldude

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« Reply #46 on: August 18, 2022, 07:37:26 AM »

I know that the horse is dead, but I just wanted to say I took Knapdog's advice and went back and re-torqued the front axle bolt and pinch bolts as he recommended. I have to say I definitely see a difference after taking the bike for a test ride. The front suspension is a lot smoother and the bike handles better when I'm making left and right turns. Thanks again to everyone for the great advice! cooldude

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Yes, the danger is tighten the right pinch bolts before torqueing the axle. This allows slack in all the parts, because you are not getting the torque spec at speedometer back to right leg. This can cause serious problems with handling. 
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« Reply #47 on: August 18, 2022, 09:12:09 AM »

I know that the horse is dead, but I just wanted to say I took Knapdog's advice and went back and re-torqued the front axle bolt and pinch bolts as he recommended. I have to say I definitely see a difference after taking the bike for a test ride. The front suspension is a lot smoother and the bike handles better when I'm making left and right turns. Thanks again to everyone for the great advice! cooldude

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Yes, the danger is tighten the right pinch bolts before torqueing the axle. This allows slack in all the parts, because you are not getting the torque spec at speedometer back to right leg. This can cause serious problems with handling. 

your procedure makes sound sense.
 the tech manual way could be why so many have leaking fork seals way before they should be leaking mileage wise.
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« Reply #48 on: September 07, 2022, 06:27:28 AM »

Progress report (just to keep the horse flogged):

I've gone back to the front axle a few times now to try to improve matters by repeating the installation process.
I would say that the left fork has moved out a fraction due to pushing down on the handlebars and once tightened up, the ride is a bit better.



After sitting on the bike after filling up with petrol the other day, I felt the forks settling downwards. Now that's a first.
One thing I've noticed is this.....



With the sidestand on a block, and the bike fairly upright, the top of the stainless guard is in line with the yellow line suggesting that my suspension is a little more squashed than it should be. This is after bouncing the forks a few times.
Compare where the top of that guard normally "sits" on pics I've just taken of other bikes, with the red line. Is this normal?














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« Reply #49 on: September 07, 2022, 07:56:39 AM »

Progress report (just to keep the horse flogged):

I've gone back to the front axle a few times now to try to improve matters by repeating the installation process.
I would say that the left fork has moved out a fraction due to pushing down on the handlebars and once tightened up, the ride is a bit better.



After sitting on the bike after filling up with petrol the other day, I felt the forks settling downwards. Now that's a first.
One thing I've noticed is this.....



With the sidestand on a block, and the bike fairly upright, the top of the stainless guard is in line with the yellow line suggesting that my suspension is a little more squashed than it should be. This is after bouncing the forks a few times.
Compare where the top of that guard normally "sits" on pics I've just taken of other bikes, with the red line. Is this normal?















In the second picture the strut is sitting way lower than it normally should be, even after filling up with petrol which shouldn't affect it at all. My I/S struts sit at the same position as the addtional pictures of the other bikes.
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« Reply #50 on: September 07, 2022, 09:18:44 AM »

I agree.
I'm getting around 100mm or 4" of travel.
I reckon it should be about 125mm or 5".

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« Reply #51 on: September 07, 2022, 12:03:05 PM »

Unless the top caps or the springs were replaced with something shorter, I have no idea why there'd be less travel.
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« Reply #52 on: September 15, 2022, 06:59:22 AM »

Regarding the amount of travel shown in the pic above, could this be due to not enough oil put in to the forks when they were serviced, and if this is the case, could I rectify this by simply unscrewing (pinch bolts first) the fork caps and simply adding equal small amounts from the top?
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« Reply #53 on: September 15, 2022, 07:29:15 AM »

link shows different heights due to different springs.  maybe previous owner installed different springs??

https://tech.bareasschoppers.com/suspension/fork-spring-replacement-vtx-1800/
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« Reply #54 on: September 15, 2022, 07:32:29 AM »

Check out these two video's. May help you with your question.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vcur--zo-XY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJfkO0iAZlw

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