Valkorado
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« on: May 02, 2023, 05:19:02 PM » |
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Ruby needs new shoes. I've been running Zeetex CT-1000 light truck tires, 195/65s. Loved them but they're out of stock. It's a rare, hard to find size, especially with rounded edges. Can't find a potential replacement in that size that looks doable other than these https://www.prioritytire.com/otani-ek1000-195-65r16-92v-as-a-s-all-season-tire/https://www.prioritytire.com/neoterra-neotour-195-65r16-92h-as-a-s-all-season-tireAnyone tried either? I don't really want to experiment with a fatter or taller tire right now. If I can't find something in a 65, I may drop to a 195/60, there are lots of tires available there. Anyone running a 195/60 they really like? |
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« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2023, 05:34:32 PM » |
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« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2023, 05:39:26 PM » |
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My new Michelin Cross Climate 2 in 205 60 is the bomb. Bit spendy though.  |
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Valkorado
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« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2023, 06:01:37 PM » |
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Thanks guys, I welcome all ideas. Those are both nice tires and maybe a little rich for my peasant blood. Looking at the 60s, I see this. If the picture isn't deceiving me, those are some nice rounded edges. https://www.prioritytire.com/mrf-wanderer-street-a1-195-60r16-89h-as-a-s-all-season-tire $93. It's always a bit of a shot in the dark getting a new car tar, but I may pull the trigger... |
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Valkorado
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« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2023, 06:37:13 PM » |
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Oh yeah, I remember you were riding a truck tire also. Is that an 8-ply? |
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« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2023, 07:23:14 PM » |
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My I-state is running Kuhmo Ecsta 195/60 R16.
I love it.
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« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2023, 07:26:22 PM » |
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Oh yeah, I remember you were riding a truck tire also. Is that an 8-ply? I think so. I remember it’s listed as a light truck tire. But, don’t let that deter you. It’s plenty pliable. My favorite tire out of maybe 4 M/C tires, and 5 car tires. |
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Valkorado
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« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2023, 09:53:47 PM » |
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My I-state is running Kuhmo Ecsta 195/60 R16.
I love it.
Lots of siping. Looks good. Wal-Mart has 'em just under a C-note before taxation. OK, I pulled the trigger on that black beauty. Now I need to order some Ride-On sealant for balancing. What pressure are you running in this tire?  Thanks to all for the recommendations. |
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« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2023, 12:30:04 AM » |
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Bit late to the party but................
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« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2023, 03:47:28 PM » |
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Forgive me for being niece here. What’s the attraction of a car tyre on a bike?
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« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2023, 03:54:22 PM » |
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Forgive me for being niece here. What’s the attraction of a car tyre on a bike?
Someone else? Sorry. For me there is no attraction of ever going back to a m/c tire. But, some have pointed out that when a nice car tar is mounted on a bike, it magically becomesa m/c tire!  |
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« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2023, 04:01:58 PM » |
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Just an open question man, just wondering what is the benefit of doing so?
Not really heard of people doing it here, so thinking is there something to this….
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« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2023, 05:41:30 PM » |
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Just an open question man, just wondering what is the benefit of doing so?
Not really heard of people doing it here, so thinking is there something to this….
Much much better traction in all conditions, so greatly increased safety, much longer tread life and lower tire cost. rounded profile rear tires where originally race track items and not needed on the street unless riding a sport bike on the street at its limits. and if u want that elusive 6th gear, I run 205/65-16 for a 200 rpm reduction. |
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« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2023, 06:49:25 PM » |
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With the right tire it will rear brake better and handle in wet conditions much better. As stated, cost and duration are positives.
With the wrong tire it will handle very difficultly and you'll hate it.
You can't just separate options into "car tires" and "motorcycle tires". Tires manufactured for automobiles have multiple differing profiles.
My understanding is that some places in Europe (or UK) non-MC tires on motorcycles are illegal.
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« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2023, 08:54:19 PM » |
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There's only some hundreds of historical threads on car tires on here.
So much better traction (launch, brake, leans, wet, straight line in high speed traffic, less getting sucked in when passing trucks, or crosswinds, better able to very slow roll the bike stably, less likely to slip sideways (and try to pass the front tire) in hard acceleration or braking in a bit of turn on hot tires and pavement or slippery stuff in the road. The Valk has the power to spin a car tire but you really have to do it on purpose, less by accident. I had my Valk sideways several times on hot tires and pavement, but only on a bike rear, never on my car tires.
A much tougher tire and less likely to get punctured. It might be argued the wider contact patch makes it more (not less) likely to get punctured, but I believe the car tire throws off most sharp bits better than any bike tire. And I have personally pulled sharp bits out of my car tires that did not hole the tire through the carcass. I did get one small nail clean through a car tire, but (leaving the nail in) the leak-down was so slow, I rode 4 hours home, stopping only once to top up. Car tires are confidence inspiring on long trips (and in all riding). People still show up to our national rally every year and have to buy a new bike tire before they can safely go home.
They last longer and cost less than good quality bike rear tires. My 205 60 Goodyear (no longer made in the right size) cost $125 and I got 37 thousand miles on it. All good miles, not like the last 500 miles many people put on their failing bike tires. Tire changes on the Valk are not my idea of a fun afternoon, and getting three or more years on one tire, instead of one every year is another plus for me.
As said, there are many car tires and rounder (less square) edges are a must. And the smaller 175, 185, 195 profile tires act more like bike tires than the most often used (and closest in size to stock 180 bike tires) 205 profile (I only run 205s). But all car tires handle a bit differently than purely rounded bike tires, and that is a learning curve than may take a few weeks to a month or more to learn. More counter steer and handlebar control. A bit like the difference between power steering (neutral bike tire) and manual steering (car tire) in a car. And people experiment with car tire air pressures to their own liking (like 30-40 PSI).
And car tires are particularly suited for big heavy bikes, and the Valk is one of them.
They may somewhat violently jerk the back of the bike if you run over half a raised manhole cover (so will a bike tire, but less so), and they can track a rut line in a road. So you learn to take better action to not run over or on those things. The learning curve includes learning to just ignore the occasional jerk or wiggle the tires will give you. The sidewall is stiffer and it can tend to stand the bike up in a curve, so again, more handlebar control makes that disappear.
If I was given a lifetime supply of free bike tires, I would sell them and still buy car tires.
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Valkorado
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« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2023, 10:13:48 PM » |
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« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2023, 06:27:30 PM » |
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Don't be like me! Check your newly installed tires and stems. So the new tire combination feels really good on the Interstate. Slightly shorter darkside tire gives my stubby legs a solid foot plant. Yes, more RPM at less speed but I'm guessing fuel use won't be all that noticeable. Stallion tire balancer seems to do the job as it should. One big $25 bottle was sufficient for both tires. 90° stems in. Kinda... I was so danged excited seeing new rubber installed that off I went on a scuffing mission, prolly 100 miles, sometimes at exuberant (but always legal  ) speeds. Decided I wanted to head home and put my cheap TPMS stem caps back on (I'd removed them earlier so the techs wouldn't lose 'em). I'll be danged if the snug nut on the shiny new 90° stem wasn't loose. Loose, loose. Like wobbly stem loose! I snugged it up to a good firm, not a smash. It should be good to go, will check it again manyana. Whew! I'm always thankful to find hidden dangers before they find me. Just a reminder to check your new tire installs out before zooming off. |
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« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2023, 07:17:59 PM » |
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You don't by chance have a picture of it mounted on your bike, do you? The picture Amazon has looks like it has fairly square edges.
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« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2023, 07:34:22 PM » |
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You don't by chance have a picture of it mounted on your bike, do you? The picture Amazon has looks like it has fairly square edges. looks like square edges https://www.performanceplustire.com/tires-for-sale/radar-tires/argonite-rv-4/ |
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Valkorado
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« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2023, 07:48:21 PM » |
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That's why I didn't go with that Radar. I loved the 195/65 Zeetex CT-1000 light truck tire I was running, but they're no more. Kuhmo sure feels good, but I'm only about 100 miles into it. |
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« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2023, 08:10:45 PM » |
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The transition from the tread to the side wall looks doesn't look good to me. All or nothing? |
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« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2023, 10:46:16 PM » |
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You don't by chance have a picture of it mounted on your bike, do you? The picture Amazon has looks like it has fairly square edges. None that showed the rear very well. I will try to remember to get one tomorrow. |
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« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2023, 04:49:50 AM » |
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My new Michelin Cross Climate 2 in 205 60 is the bomb. Bit spendy though. I just put 4 of those on my SUV. Didn't even consider them as a dark side candidate. All my bikes are dark side and I'm not going to need a rear for sometime, but I'd definitely consider those Michelins. |
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Jess from VA
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« Reply #24 on: May 18, 2023, 02:40:57 PM » |
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Bill, the tread design is similar to my long used Goodyear Assurance Triple Treads (discontinued) (water dispersal).
I've always liked Michelins on my cars and trucks. They're always good tires.
While the Cross Climate 2 looks a little square on the edges, it rides fine, though I don't have a lot of miles on it yet. I think having the tread wrapped around the edges diminishes the squareness (if that makes any sense).
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« Reply #25 on: May 19, 2023, 05:05:18 AM » |
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I concur Jess, I never had a bad Michelin.  And besides, that one just looks bada$$  |
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« Reply #26 on: July 20, 2023, 08:36:20 PM » |
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Reviving this thread to get update/input on the CrossClimate. PepBoys has them for $120 before taxes. But need to know thoughts after running it for a while. I currently run a Comtrec 185/75, and frankly can't see how anyone could use a wider tire. My tire almost rubs on the swingarm and it's much narrower. Is it that you use a shorter tire, tho wider, that allows this?
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« Reply #27 on: July 21, 2023, 05:09:48 AM » |
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I've put more miles on the Cross Climate 205 and it's just fine. No negatives to report. I've never run a shorter than a 60 car tire, including the Cross Climate. Some run 55s in 205 car tires, and I think if there's a difference in width, it's minimal, and subject to the small variables of different tires/treads.
The 205 car tire is always a tight squeeze to the swingarm (maybe like two credit cards of space, but never rubs) (but if you ran it very low on air (like 20lbs), it might rub the sidewall). I stuffed my first 205 tire (with no wheel on it) up in the fender on the jack, and wondered how it could possibly fit. Mounted on the wheel and aired up it does fit, and doesn't rub. Though you need to be sure none of your rear wiring in the fender is loose or droopy. And some few bikes have required the fender washer mod, where washers are stuffed inside the fender struts (I think on one side) to create a couple extra millimeters of space to the swingarm.
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« Reply #28 on: July 21, 2023, 09:15:13 AM » |
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Thx for the update. I have these on a small SUV I just bought. They do well on it, just looking at the more square edge worries me. I don't ride super aggressive, but I do drag my boards often. Run 185/75 now and did the nut mod. Also rewired the rear light, extending the wire to make the connector ride all the way in the rear fender. I want to lower the rear (short legs) so worried this will put the fender too close to sidewall of 205. No guts, would love to have a "badass" looking tire but think I'll go a little narrower.
Ride safe and thanks again.
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My new Michelin Cross Climate 2 in 205 60 is the bomb. Bit spendy though. I just put 4 of those on my SUV. Didn't even consider them as a dark side candidate. All my bikes are dark side and I'm not going to need a rear for sometime, but I'd definitely consider those Michelins. Bill, I’ve had a set of four of these on my ‘19 RAV4 for over two years now (about 20k). Loved them so far in dry, wet, and snowy roads. @Daniel Meyer runs this same tire on his Valk. During his Tech session at Inzane, watched him remove/reinstall. It was a bit tight, but certainly doable. I’m rethinking the whole darkside thing after my son and DIL had their Valk come out from under them in the last few miles , in the rain, before arriving at Inzane this year. |
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