Heres a illegal vs american WTF story.

[RoadKill]

Fair 'nuff!  Thanx for the clarification,we'll leave it at that.

[KW]

 
I have to CHECK some of you folks for the indiscriminate use of the label ‘troll.”  In order to be a “troll” you have to live in the southern peninsula of Michigan. “Troll” is a term of endearment (NOT) that Yoopers used to describe us Lower Peninsula folks . . . You know; “living under the bridge.”  

[fstsix]

I tried to Snopes this...and Wikipedia.....and Google.....and CNN.....but maybe this is what they look like....being you can never take them serious, if you cant put a Name to a face...looks like a Teacher i had in HS. LOL

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[john]

 In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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 In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Germany  established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
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China  established gun control in 1935. >From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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 Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million. 
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[PAVALKER]

Updated info on this subject.....  

http://oneoldvet.com/?p=21061

[Robert]

Usually if someone will steal a car or a trailer then they will be able to do a greater crime, kinda like what the government used for rationality of stopping pot. The idea that the guy stealing the trailer had something in mind to do with that trailer probably another criminal enterprise it is good he was stopped. The fact that the guy was shot in the eye means he had to confront his attacker. If I have a piece of property that has a problem and someone gets hurt them I am negligent and can be sued, can someone explain why lack of enforcement on immigration is not negligence and why shouldn't the government and the cops be sued for it? If the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT was not here in the first place this would be a mute point. The fact that he is here ILLEGALLY should be enough to say sorry you got yourself into trouble you can file a case with your government when we ship you back. Just a little more fuel for the fire if you are a illegal and become involved in a domestic dispute like a wife/girlfriend gets hit or whatever then that is like winning the lottery for them. They are given citizenship, free care and any other help that is needed while they stay here in the US. There are tv shows that kids or whatever do something and get on the wrong end of a shotgun by some farmer. This was the way it was and everyone knew it why did that have to change? We all knew it and if we wanted to try something then we knew what the consequences would be and took our chances. As for shooting someone taking your stuff I know a human life is valuable but to just stand there and watch someone take my stuff is not something that I think I could do. I kinda like terminator when he shoots the guy in the leg and says he will live, maybe with a limp but he will live. I guess the main portion of the story is that our courts and police find easier prey making criminals out of citizens than making citizens out of criminals. Please we need help here in the US we have lost direction and decency and let politicians laud over us that they will do what they want because they have the power. Take your upsetment of this situation and turn it to where really counts Washington and even the local police in this case. A Polite call is all that is needed and it may save your own butt some day if you are ever in a situation that is a bit dicey. The guy that posts on this board is not the enemy but if you can post on this board you can make a call and tell the real criminals how you feel.

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[bigguy]

Police spokeswoman Lisa Stigall said the agency had to hold back while an auto theft task force investigated whether Cardona-De Lorea and Torres-Ochoa were involved in a car-theft ring.

“They were being investigated as part of a large much larger theft ring,” Stigall said. “In order not to jeopardize those larger cases, the smaller cases will take a step back.”

John: thanks for the link. Turns out there was more to the story. Citizens were right to ask questions. That is our responsibility in a democracy. I'm just glad there were good answers in this case.

[Oldswimr]

on my property, verbal warning and warning shot, in my house. tight group.

[Sludge]

I havent read all the posts, but Walküre was correct in his initial sizing up of the situation.  IF the crooks were driving away from him, then they were in retreat under the law and posing no further threat to the home owner.  Thus it is illegal to use deadly force on them.  They were guilty of being theives, and illegal aliens.  If they were in retreat the home owner is guilty of manslaughter at the very least and possibly murder.  If it was plausible that they were driving at the homeowner and he fired as they approached him.  Then perhaps he is in the clear.

Im no left wing loon at all.  I am a concealed carry and that is how I was taught in my classes on deadly force, and is the law as I understand it.

[PAVALKER]

I still have my doubts we have the whole factual story.... after all, stories are just that until they are proven.  While I agree the gentleman that fired only two shots (at the back of the truck the one article stated) probably should not have done that.... I can't help but wonder what I would have done given the similar situation.  I have pondered this since this post first came out.....   and I think I would have emptied my 20 round magazine to stop them, even from the back if need be, then insert a new magazine and empty that one from the front, and maybe a few from the sides.       I really can't say what I would have done.... but I tend to side with the gentleman that fired the shots at the thieves.  And I don't necessarily believe the police story about them being left alone because they were believed to be part of a larger theft ring..... yea right.....they were taking too much heat and were pressured to do something..... give me a break.  If they are illegal aliens, then I believe they should have been removed during one of their many previous run ins with the law or incarcerated for being illegal..... but that doesn't happen as we know. 

JMO of course.....

[Robert]

Hey just think we paid his medical bills brain surgery that wasn't cheap. So the guy commits a crime police know of him has the stupidity of going to get himself shot and then more than likely to need care for the rest of his life and we will more than likely have to pay for that too. From now on the new policy is let him take the trailer and file for victims loss compesation or insurance company and forget trying to stop this guy or any other. How much do you think the total bill is so far?

[PAVALKER]

Hey just think we paid his medical bills brain surgery that wasn't cheap. So the guy commits a crime police know of him has the stupidity of going to get himself shot and then more than likely to need care for the rest of his life and we will more than likely have to pay for that too. From now on the new policy is let him take the trailer and file for victims loss compesation or insurance company and forget trying to stop this guy or any other. How much do you think the total bill is so far?

Hmmm, with that kind of thinking you got there.... I would like to know where you might park your Valkyrie so that if I get the urge to get another for whatever reason (spare parts maybe)... that I can come sneak yours away from ya.... then you could just file for victims loss compensation.  Don't worry... I have my own trailer to carry it away... but you could help me out by leaving the key in the ignition as well if you don't mind.         Got any other nice toys I might like to have ???

And, the real bottom line issue is not that those guys stole a trailer, or got hurt committing a crime..... the issue is they were in this country illegally .... and therefor should not be entitled to run free to commit more illegal activity and crimes after they were caught initially doing criminal activity, to have free medical care due to their stupidity and let go to commit even more crimes, etc.  If they are illegal, then that is a crime in itself, so ship em back (don't even give them a lengthy jail or prison time which costs tax payers money and is better than most homeless live anyhow... send em back)... or better yet prevent their entry into this country to begin with. 

[PAVALKER]

I havent read all the posts, but Walküre was correct in his initial sizing up of the situation.  IF the crooks were driving away from him, then they were in retreat under the law and posing no further threat to the home owner.  Thus it is illegal to use deadly force on them.  They were guilty of being theives, and illegal aliens.  If they were in retreat the home owner is guilty of manslaughter at the very least and possibly murder.  If it was plausible that they were driving at the homeowner and he fired as they approached him.  Then perhaps he is in the clear.

Im no left wing loon at all.  I am a concealed carry and that is how I was taught in my classes on deadly force, and is the law as I understand it.

How could the home owner be guilty of manslaughter or murder... when no one died??        I hope you don't get on my jury trial for a speeding ticket.....   I might get charged with attempted murder with a deadly weapon.

[Serk]

I always say or think it at LEAST once a day, but it seems to be happening more and more often lately.....


I am SO thankful that I live in Texas!

[Sludge]

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How could the home owner be guilty of manslaughter or murder... when no one died??        I hope you don't get on my jury trial for a speeding ticket.....   I might get charged with attempted murder with a deadly weapon.

LOL I was very tired.  I think in my haste to go to bed I mixed up two different stories I was reading.  However, projecting deadly force on a retreating party is a no no all the same.