I do not generaly post political info..... BUT........

[x]

......  AND I will probably get a S--- load of flack?????   

   Not from me, you won't. It's time for America to get their collective heads out of their fannies and reclaim our country.

From whom?  Other Americans who disagree with your political viewpoints?  All people like you do is divide.  I've never seen a solution, just divide and taunt and criticize.  Worthless.

[Art708]

......  AND I will probably get a S--- load of flack?????   

   Not from me, you won't. It's time for America to get their collective heads out of their fannies and reclaim our country.

From whom?  Other Americans who disagree with your political viewpoints?  All people like you do is divide.  I've never seen a solution, just divide and taunt and criticize.  Worthless.


   From people like yOU.

[Chrisj CMA]

Kiwi......anyone that gives you flack needs to come out of the cave and open their eyes.  This project needs to be stopped.....No more political correctness.  Just say no, not only no but He!! no, check papers and send all Arab "visitors" home if the papers are expired"

OTM's sneaking across the boarder from Mexico (Arabs) need to be housed in prisoner of war camps or shot until the wars are over

Americans that get caught trying to join the taliban and bomb their own country should be shot as traitors or go to the same prisoner of war camps as their buddies

Any mosques that support terrorism (even just a little) needs to be shut down and converted into prisoner of war camps.

That should just be Standard Operating Procedure........thats playing "nice"

What a fine "Christian" sentiment... using, of course, the same quotes you do for the "President".

Who would Jesus shoot?
What POW camps would Jesus advocate?
 
I'd be interested to know how a "Christian" such as yourself can advocate arbitrary execution of people not like yourself.

SE  I guess you were never in combat or in the military in time of war.  War is not nice.  We are at war.  When at war and the enemy is attacking you, you respond appropriately.

In WWII we put a lot of innocent Japanese in war camps.  That was wrong.  However, it is no reason to ignore terrorists from countries that hate us and are at war with us that are coming here to hurt us, from being treated appropriately.  That is not arbitrary as you say.  If the Taliban shot an American sneaking into western Pakistan, you would say they shouldnt have been there.......just sayin

"who would Jesus Shoot?"  How rediculous a statement is that......so because I am a Christian Im supposed to be a pacifist, and a war objector.  I dont think so!  National Security in a time of war has not been taken seriously by the libs in our government....my statement may have been a tad RAW (trying to be the voice of the other end of the spectrum) If you take my statement from the point of view of how a nation at war should behave...you should understand, and if you dont then you are trolling or just too naive.

[Disco]

Muslims build mosques at the sites of their conquests.  Why do you think this one is called the Cordoba mosque?  Just say no.  And if that seems intolerant, here's my fall back position:  Let them build the mosque at or near ground zero only after there's a Christian church and a Jewish synagogue in Saudi Arabia.  Tolerance is one thing.  Rolling over to display your soft underbelly is quite another. 

[Stanley Steamer]

Muslims build mosques at the sites of their conquests.  Why do you think this one is called the Cordoba mosque?  Just say no.  And if that seems intolerant, here's my fall back position:  Let them build the mosque at or near ground zero only after there's a Christian church and a Jewish synagogue in Saudi Arabia.  Tolerance is one thing.  Rolling over to display your soft underbelly is quite another. 

 

[kiwi#9582]

I did not mean this to get out of hand and make enemies....   

I just had concerns that our government has no guts to make decisions fearing they might hurt someones feelings.  We loose 3,000 citizens in a public building by Muslims, now we let them build something they "say" is to make us feel better????  Hmmmmm   

[kiwi#9582]

And in todays news..........   

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100815/pl_afp/uspoliticsreligionattacks_20100815184754

[Chrisj CMA]

I did not mean this to get out of hand and make enemies....   

I just had concerns that our government has no guts to make decisions fearing they might hurt someones feelings.  We loose 3,000 citizens in a public building by Muslims, now we let them build something they "say" is to make us feel better????  Hmmmmm   

Kiwi, youre ok man..........ya made no one an enemy.  99.9% of the viewing audiance is capable of lively discussion.  One cant seem to do much other than childish namecalling, but we knew thats all we can expect from him.......so no skin off anyones nose....press on

[Bobbo]

I did not mean this to get out of hand and make enemies....   

I just had concerns that our government has no guts to make decisions fearing they might hurt someones feelings.  We loose 3,000 citizens in a public building by Muslims, now we let them build something they "say" is to make us feel better????  Hmmmmm   

I agree that you aren’t making enemies.  Friends can disagree, especially on emotionally charged subjects.  Throw in some patriotic subject matter, and sprinkle it with religious overtones, and POOF!, you have a lively discussion.

Please note that we were attacked by terrorists, using a twisted and politically infected version of Islam.  We are not in a holy war; we are fighting to prevent terrorism, not Islam.

[Chrisj CMA]

Well said Bobbo..............and with that said we need to engage that fight here  at home as a country instead of letting political correctness dictate that we tolerate terror on our turf

[Walküre]

I have a lot of trouble with this. "Politically correct" has NOTHING to do with this. It is purely a constitutional argument. When did we start to "pick and choose" which Americans get constitutional protection, and which don't??

Folks, as far as I can find out, these "Muslims" are AMERICANS!! Cut and dried, that is what it boils down to. And if we are saying that "Americans" cannot build there, then THAT is wrong. I hear the Right say that "If you allow gay marriage, next thing is allowing people to marry dogs!!". Yet they can't see that if you disallow Muslims to build, next thing you disallow Jews...or Catholics. I know many, MANY Muslims, that detest what is going on in the Mid East, and STILL live in shame for what the radicals did on 9/11. That's the main reason that they are Americans. Went through the legal immigration process to be here. Have become citizens, no easy task for some people. And these are the ones who want to build the Mosque and Cultural Center.

Of course, it seems because they are "Muslim" Americans, they are "lesser" Americans...

A very small percentage of Muslims, are terrorists. Just as a small number of Christians, are terrorists.

I can't help but think how close it is, to Christianity. Christians already believe, that if you DON'T accept Christ, for what they say he is, that you are destined to an eternity in hell. Now, if some Monk, centuries ago, or King, or Priest, or whatever, decided to change just a few words, or even accidentally misquoted, and inserted "and should be put to death" after all the hell talk, then I doubt that we wouldn't have christian fanatics running around killing non-believers. And if you don't believe that, look throughout history - many many "non-believers" have been killed, or forced to "accept" Christianity. And that it would "never happen" because humans wouldn't do that, you'd think the Holocaust would have  "never happened" either. But it did...

"No, no, MY religion and god is right"..."No, No, MY religion and god is right"..."No, No....."

And on it goes...

[bigguy]

My personal feelings is that building the Mosque here is tasteless and insensitive. But our principals don't mean much if we only stand by them when it's easy. Mealy mouthed definitions aside, we either believe in freedom of religion or we don't. If we do, then end of discussion.

[DIGGER]

I have a lot of trouble with this. "Politically correct" has NOTHING to do with this. It is purely a constitutional argument. When did we start to "pick and choose" which Americans get constitutional protection, and which don't??

Folks, as far as I can find out, these "Muslims" are AMERICANS!! Cut and dried, that is what it boils down to. And if we are saying that "Americans" cannot build there, then THAT is wrong. I hear the Right say that "If you allow gay marriage, next thing is allowing people to marry dogs!!". Yet they can't see that if you disallow Muslims to build, next thing you disallow Jews...or Catholics. I know many, MANY Muslims, that detest what is going on in the Mid East, and STILL live in shame for what the radicals did on 9/11. That's the main reason that they are Americans. Went through the legal immigration process to be here. Have become citizens, no easy task for some people. And these are the ones who want to build the Mosque and Cultural Center.

Of course, it seems because they are "Muslim" Americans, they are "lesser" Americans...

A very small percentage of Muslims, are terrorists. Just as a small number of Christians, are terrorists.

I can't help but think how close it is, to Christianity. Christians already believe, that if you DON'T accept Christ, for what they say he is, that you are destined to an eternity in hell. Now, if some Monk, centuries ago, or King, or Priest, or whatever, decided to change just a few words, or even accidentally misquoted, and inserted "and should be put to death" after all the hell talk, then I doubt that we wouldn't have christian fanatics running around killing non-believers. And if you don't believe that, look throughout history - many many "non-believers" have been killed, or forced to "accept" Christianity. And that it would "never happen" because humans wouldn't do that, you'd think the Holocaust would have  "never happened" either. But it did...

"No, no, MY religion and god is right"..."No, No, MY religion and god is right"..."No, No....."

And on it goes...

Yeah.....but/.....the Christian God IS RIGHT.....and theirs IS WRONG......they aint none of em going to Heaven.

[Walküre]

Yeah.....but/.....the Christian God IS RIGHT.....and theirs IS WRONG......they aint none of em going to Heaven.

How silly....

[Chrisj CMA]

I have a lot of trouble with this. "Politically correct" has NOTHING to do with this. It is purely a constitutional argument.

Im not so sure its purely a constitutional argument.  There are already tons of Mosks in NYC already and this one is far far from the Muslim population.  Also this IMAM has made some statements that dont seem that "moderate" and also the funding for this is from unknown (maybe outside the country) sources.  It seems that lately just asking these questions has made those asking seem racist.  So the questions stop because we wont offend.  Thats where the political correctness ideas come from.  OK, so whenever I want a loan, or apply for a job I have to answer so many quaestions, and I know If I want what Im asking for then I have to answer.  


With racially charged issues we dont press it, if asking the question is viewed as offensive, then we (American Society) have been trained to shy away and not ask.  That is how that Army Col. was able to be a Radicalized Muslin on Active Duty for years and then shoot up a bunch of his own troops..........because we didnt want to hurt HIS feelings by asking about his suspicious activities.

Some of the activites around building this worship center should be asked about before we defend it as purely a religious freedom thing

[kiwi#9582]

Walküre....  I can appreciate Muslims being Americans... but look how many of those "Americans" have turned on us after living here all their life......  If we are not supposed to mix pioltics and religeon, then the politicians should not be making religeous decisions.... "we the people" should have final say in things... not the "representatives....  THAT is another of my pet peeves..... TERMS on senators and congress!!!!!   

[kiwi#9582]

.... and Chrisj... I did not mean  ME getting flack or make enemies... I meant the others that are getting ticked at some of the ideas and thoughts... thanks for the replies everyone... we DO need to make some changes... guess I better not start on that Arizona problem, HUH ????    

[fiddle mike]

Will this philosophy also apply to Christian militia groups?

What cave have you been living in?  The Left has targeted Christian groups since the massacre at Waco.

[fiddle mike]

We haven't been told just who is making a profit from the sale of the land the mosque will sit on.  Did Muslims own it before 9-11?

Instead of destroying all the mosques in the US the day after the attack, we bemoaned the fact that Muslims were being profiled. It sounds a little weak, to me, for people to be bitching  about them building a monument nine years after the fact.


The people of New York put Hillary in the Senate and, by voting for Obama, in the State Dept where she advances Marxist goals. Their President converted the space program to a Muslim outreach program. Screw them (IMHO, of course).

[Sludge]

Now now Mike... tell us what you really think 

[Chrisj CMA]

I think if they really do build the Mosque it should have a huge picture of Obama with flowers and ethnic ornamentation from his "Home country of Kenya" (his wifes words not mine) adorned all around the huge picture so Muslims can worship the "American" Muslim that made it all possible

[kiwi#9582]

Chrisj............   

[kiwi#9582]

Chris,,,,  BTW... How have you been... heading for Houston after the weather gets better???   

[Bobbo]

I think if they really do build the Mosque it should have a huge picture of Obama with flowers and ethnic ornamentation from his "Home country of Kenya" (his wifes words not mine) adorned all around the huge picture so Muslims can worship the "American" Muslim that made it all possible

I must have missed the executive order that Obama signed to force the building of this mosque…   ???

[Chrisj CMA]

Chris,,,,  BTW... How have you been... heading for Houston after the weather gets better???   

Never know....could happen, Ill certainely let you know if we decide.........life is sure getting full at the moment......would be a fun trip though

[Chrisj CMA]

I think if they really do build the Mosque it should have a huge picture of Obama with flowers and ethnic ornamentation from his "Home country of Kenya" (his wifes words not mine) adorned all around the huge picture so Muslims can worship the "American" Muslim that made it all possible

I must have missed the executive order that Obama signed to force the building of this mosque…   ???

No exeutive order that would violate seperation clauses fer sure........but a wink and a nod, a thumbs up and public presidential support is close dontcha think 

[fstsix]

(How silly?) Show me In the New Testament were Jesus supports violence?

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[kiwi#9582]

Tonights news looks like Senators are going to fight Osama.....   I mean Obama>>>>   

A lot of then do not like the idea of a mosque there either.... 

[Skinhead]

Judging from reply #66, those wacky, peace-loving muslims are at it again!  What a zaney tolerant bunch.  I want to party with them!

[Sludge]

Judging from reply #66, those wacky, peace-loving muslims are at it again!  What a zaney tolerant bunch.  I want to party with them!

Had I been there... I dont know if I could have resisted the party urge.

[Bobbo]

(How silly?) Show me In the New Testament were Jesus supports violence?

God hates violence...  ...and also fags, soldiers, McCain, Obama, and America!

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[Chrisj CMA]

(How silly?) Show me In the New Testament were Jesus supports violence?

God hates violence...  ...and also fags, soldiers, McCain, Obama, and America!

Red State Update Meets Westboro Baptist Church

Ya, bobbo talk about taking one twisted church thats pretty much run by one screwed up family and using it to argue this point like its a widely held opinion...........Id say thats a low blow, but you know that, you just dont care........theres bums in every group that is made up of people.........this one is a few lousy characters that are pretty much shunned by the world......and you dredge them up this way...........for shame

[kiwi#9582]

Now, now, boys....      play nice.....   

[Scanner]

(How silly?) Show me In the New Testament were Jesus supports violence?

God hates violence...  ...and also fags, soldiers, McCain, Obama, and America!

Red State Update Meets Westboro Baptist Church

Ya, bobbo talk about taking one twisted church thats pretty much run by one screwed up family and using it to argue this point like its a widely held opinion...........Id say thats a low blow, but you know that, you just dont care........theres bums in every group that is made up of people.........this one is a few lousy characters that are pretty much shunned by the world......and you dredge them up this way...........for shame

So Chris, there are 1.6 BILLION Muslims in the world.  19 of them were from "one twisted church (Al Queda) that's pretty much run by one screwed up family (Laden)" and attacked us.

Now, I'm not an Islamic scholar as you appear to be, but tell me the difference between the two sets of nutcases please?  You put the sins of the few on the many.  Doesn't take a whole lot of reasoning....just go Rambo on em all seems to be the easiest way, eh?

[alph]

bobbo,

love that video!!  i wonder if that guy ever got to score with that chick!!  the easiest girls i ever had were holy roller girls, seems that when we were done "sinning" they could just ask god to forgive them and all was good!!  

we went to the holocaust museum in washington dc.  seems that hitler was a right winger also.  it was quite amazing to hear his campaign speeches, sounding a lot like what i hear on talk radio today.  Except for instead of blaming the jews for all the evil in the world, they're blaming the democrats, or anyone else that doesn't agree with their philosophy.  

My opinion is pretty much the same as obama’s, if you restrict one religion and not the other, then you’re persecuting that religion.  People need to read the whole first amendment, Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.  Can’t get any clearer then that can it???  

Why didn’t some christian organization buy the land?  Why didn’t they build a church there?  

[Chrisj CMA]

(How silly?) Show me In the New Testament were Jesus supports violence?

God hates violence...  ...and also fags, soldiers, McCain, Obama, and America!

Red State Update Meets Westboro Baptist Church

Ya, bobbo talk about taking one twisted church thats pretty much run by one screwed up family and using it to argue this point like its a widely held opinion...........Id say thats a low blow, but you know that, you just dont care........theres bums in every group that is made up of people.........this one is a few lousy characters that are pretty much shunned by the world......and you dredge them up this way...........for shame

So Chris, there are 1.6 BILLION Muslims in the world.  19 of them were from "one twisted church (Al Queda) that's pretty much run by one screwed up family (Laden)" and attacked us.

Now, I'm not an Islamic scholar as you appear to be, but tell me the difference between the two sets of nutcases please?  You put the sins of the few on the many.  Doesn't take a whole lot of reasoning....just go Rambo on em all seems to be the easiest way, eh?

Scanner I know you are smarter than that......I am assuming (the 19) you are talking about the pilots that carried out the 9/11 attacks.  That is not one family or even a large part of alqueda..........I cannot believe you cant tell the difference between murdering terrorists that are a part of radical Islam that has total world domination as their goal......and they seem to be accomplishing it from a crazy harmless but disgusting family that runs a non Biblical non Christian church..........Its not the same, and if you are saying that defending America from terrorists is the same as "going Rambo" on a religion, then you too are just a troll or a trouble maker, but that kind of thinking is exactly why America is in way more danger and way more vulnerable to these terrorists than we need to be

[kiwi#9582]

Also.....   How many "sleepers" out there waiting to be "called" ?????   

[Chrisj CMA]

bobbo,

My opinion is pretty much the same as obama’s, if you restrict one religion and not the other, then you’re persecuting that religion.

Im glad you are not a Supreme court Judge or in any decision making process in our government.  Now, if after 9/11 Bush closed all Mosques because they were suspected of supporting terrorism, that would be a violation of the 1st ammendment.  Or if no Muslim worship centers were allowed to be built period, that woUld be un-constitutional. 

I am sure that local and federal governments have denied building permits to specific property locations where other churches were proposed to be built, so the parties interested in building had to secure an alternate site.  That is not persecution or denial of 1st ammendment rights.

ITS JUST PLAIN COMMON SENSE TO NOT HAVE A VICTORY MOSQUE AT THE SITE OF THE RADICAL ISLAMS AMERICAN CONQUEST.

[Bobbo]

Ya, bobbo talk about taking one twisted church thats pretty much run by one screwed up family and using it to argue this point like its a widely held opinion...........Id say thats a low blow, but you know that, you just dont care........theres bums in every group that is made up of people.........this one is a few lousy characters that are pretty much shunned by the world......and you dredge them up this way...........for shame

My point was simply that you could use youtube videos to show that there are radical thoughts in any group, be it religious, political, or otherwise.  That doesn’t prove anything.  My example video doesn’t show that all people who consider themselves Christian are anti-everything, only a select few.  The same goes for the people in the other video who consider themselves Muslims, just a select few.

Whenever I’m presented with information, I want to look at it critically from several viewpoints.  To do otherwise only serves to condition yourself to a myopic view of the world.

[Bobbo]

Im glad you are not a Supreme court Judge or in any decision making process in our government. 

Vote for Pedro alph!!