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« on: August 16, 2010, 05:48:13 PM » |
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A Buddy of mine has a 124 cubic inch Harley and I was wondering how a stock Valkyrie would do against it. Should I avoid embarassing my Valk or would it have a chance.
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eric in md
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« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2010, 05:54:20 PM » |
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do it from a dead stop .. not a high gear roll on though .. un less you pull him in third gear .. top end he will only see your taillight.. remember you bike is ten yrs old now .
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« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2010, 07:27:55 PM » |
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If that Harley was built right, it will eat your lunch, and not leave any crumbs. Dead stop, rolling start, topend rollon, doesn't matter.
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« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2010, 07:44:16 PM » |
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If that Harley was built right, it will eat your lunch, and not leave any crumbs. Dead stop, rolling start, topend rollon, doesn't matter.
+1. There are a lot of misconceptions on this site about how slow H-D's are. Properly tuned, modified, and ridden, they can be formidable. And it does not take 124" motor either. A 95 or 103" motor with some head work and cams, and 10.5 : 1 compression ratio easily make 110+ ft/lbs of torque, and 105 + HP. I said routinely, some are a lot more exceptional, depending on the tuner. It takes some bucks, but H-Ds are not all "Hardleys". My RoadGlide has surprised quite a few other bikes.  |
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« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2010, 07:56:49 PM » |
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My father-in-law always said, "Never bet on another mans game". With enough money thrown at it a John Deere will out run a Valkyrie.
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« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2010, 08:29:13 PM » |
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« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2010, 08:40:13 PM » |
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My father-in-law always said, "Never bet on another mans game". With enough money thrown at it a John Deere will out run a Valkyrie.
Well said f6! Ive seen some fast ones. Most wont take a valk though. There are even those that will take a supercharged Valk. I havent raced any at the strip that fit that bill, but they are out there. |
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« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2010, 01:56:24 AM » |
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Georgie Boy, you remember the hurt I put on you in Paducha?
I can stay with my son's 113 up to about 115, then I pull him just a tad.
99.9% of winning in this will be rider experience.
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« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2010, 03:02:39 AM » |
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your right if its built thats another story .. o yea that like racing a vw bug 2 a vette .. hope if they spend 20 grand on the engine sure it will out run something,,
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« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2010, 03:53:11 AM » |
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Of course you HAVE to race... but go into it knowing that you're gonna see tail lights IMO. My buddy has a 124" HD that's been built. 157 hP dyno slip, and he claims 30 more now. I believe him. It's SCARY fast. Offer to race you're buddy to Alaska and back.  Jabba |
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« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2010, 05:13:48 AM » |
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Except for supercharging I'm not sure what you could do to a Valk with the kind of money put into a 124 inch Harley.
The first thing that I would think of is four valve heads and fuel injection. I wouldn't think that the heads would be practical. Maybe nitrous and supercharging? Didn't Lamont do that ?
The Harley engine was probably designed to be worked on and to make more profits after the sale. Put enough money in and it will go.
The Valk is no Hayabusa, it works fine just the way it is. A good balance of reliability, rideability, doability, and comfort. The power is more than adequate.
The Harley works fine for those that appreciate a Vtwin for what it is. For those that want braggin' rights, More GO, more MONEY.
Despite the amount of money some Harley riders have in their bikes, I doubt if their bikes can meet all the criteria that the Valkyrie has.
I wonder how those 124 inch Harleys would do against a stock Hayabusa or maybe a Vmax, or maybe take all the Tupperware off of an 1800 Gold Wing, or maybe?
IMHO, just owning a stock Valkyrie is good for braggin' rights. I don't think that those 124 CI Harleys will go over 400,000 miles without an overhaul, do you?
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« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2010, 06:57:36 AM » |
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I don't think that those 124 CI Harleys will go over 400,000 miles without an overhaul, do you?
Um...no. HHHEEEEELLLLL NO!Mine made it to 30K miles before it needed to be pulled apart. |
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« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2010, 07:52:14 AM » |
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I am not a bike basher and hate the rivalary between one bike vs another. I tell everyone my bike runs good enough to give me a thrill and it suits me fine. Occasionally, I have been known to show a few other riders just how good it does run. Several of these happen to be biker wanna be's who have an attitude because they are on a Harley and before anyone gets upset I know that not all HD riders have attitudes. Many of the guys I ride with ride Harley's and they are great friends and great people. There are HD's out there and I found one which was major FAST! He took me both from the start and from a roll on. We both had a good laugh, I told him he proved his point and we rode on. I can truly say I don't care what a guy rides. I have many valid reasons why I like Honda with the main one being durability. Years ago my wife decided she wanted to ride with me if I would get a more comfortable bike. My friend had a 1981 Gold Wing and let me borrow it for a trip to see how the wife did on it. She loved the ride and so I bought a 1983 GW which I put a 186,000 miles on and never had a problem with it or was never left stranded. Owned several more Hondas and the same for all, change the oil regularly and ride.... I love it. The Valk is best liked of all the bikes I have owned and I have owned a lot and logged a huge amount of miles over the past 45+ years. No matter what you ride, ride safe.
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« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2010, 08:06:57 AM » |
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I'll put the 1340cc 'EVO' my wife rides up against all takers...Valk's included. If you win... you will still grin and say "WOW!" (as all others have). It is a combination that works,some don't, but always beware of the ones that DO !  I'll vouch for Dale on this one! I hope she never figures out just how fast that bike is! |
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« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2010, 10:07:23 AM » |
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I have both H-D and Valk, and love them both. The Valk can do more things better, for longer. When you build up an H-D, it does become more fragile than stock, especially with a stroker kit since it increases piston speeds. But it's not a hand grenade either like some force fed or Nitrous rides are out there (Notice I said some). My H-D definitely handles better at slow speeds then my Valk, but then again at slow speeds in the summer it gets hot enough to melt my thighs. And if I can't find 93 Octane fuel, it pings so bad you won't want to ride it for fear of it breaking. The Valk handles better at speeds and in the twistees. I also have an old '77 BMW R100/7, and if I had to take one vehicle and my life depended on my getting as far away as I could on it, I would still take the BMW. It runs great on the roads, in the dirt, on bad gas, gets great mileage, and if it breaks BMW gave me enough tools that are under the seat that I can do a rebuild at the side of the road. Hell, I made a gasket once out of an old belt on rode home! My BMW has a diveshaft, but no "spline issues". And it handles better at low and high speed than both the H-D and the Valk. But with all the good it does, it is not my favorite bike.  So, my point is this. If I have to pick one bike that gives me comfort, thrills, reliability, durability, and great looks from those I meet, the Valk is in a class of it's own. And that is so even stock out of the box. But then again, all you guys know that, or you would not be on this site! And that is a heck of lot more important than if I can beat somebody or not.Ride On!!!  |
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« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2010, 12:17:57 PM » |
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I cannot take any bike or for that matter any vehicle seriously that does not have a tach. Having one and knowing how to use it will beat any similar machine and driver that does not have one. In addition, when HP and torque are about the same he who has the most RPM's wins. Ferrari has been proving that for years!
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« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2010, 12:33:28 PM » |
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I'll put the 1340cc 'EVO' my wife rides up against all takers...Valk's included. If you win... you will still grin and say "WOW!" (as all others have). It is a combination that works,some don't, but always beware of the ones that DO ! I'll vouch for Dale on this one! I hope she never figures out just how fast that bike is! What does it do on the 1/8th and quarter? |
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« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2010, 02:07:23 PM » |
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I'll put the 1340cc 'EVO' my wife rides up against all takers...Valk's included. If you win... you will still grin and say "WOW!" (as all others have). It is a combination that works,some don't, but always beware of the ones that DO ! I'll vouch for Dale on this one! I hope she never figures out just how fast that bike is! What does it do on the 1/8th and quarter? NO idea..I just know that with her riding it I can just barely edge it with the Valk. When i ride it I just shift when I picture a grenade going off beneath my legs. No tachometer because I didnt build it to be fast..I built it to be efficient. If i took it to the drag strip I would walk away embarrassed at my poor 60ft times,multiple red light starts and the danger of that TINY Harley being faster than my Valk with timeslip proof is too much to bear !  plus it is the wifes bike and if I broke it racing I would be living in the garage...it does have ALOT of factory Harley parts  And dont think it's because my "Challenged" Valk is any kind of slouch either...That poor busted up old girl still spanks at least 3 other Valks on a regular basis even when changing up riders to even things out...Roll on starts or from a dead stop,She holds her own. Some are just a tiny bit more balanced than others. |
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« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2010, 02:20:43 PM » |
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No problem. I just like to know times. Gives ya a basis for comparison. Like that stock V-Rods run around 8 seconds on the eighth. GSXR 600s can turn around 7.6 ... stuff like that. My valk turns in 7.50, 7.51 etc if I do my job. I think I can squeeze a bit more out of her with better technique but the limiting factor on my bike... IS ME. I weigh a ton and so when im drag racing some folks on V-Rods etc its like im doing it 2 up. I weigh 280 probably 290 with leather etc.
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« Reply #20 on: August 18, 2010, 12:14:12 AM » |
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« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2010, 06:36:58 PM » |
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I heard a rumor that HD is threatening on taking their plant to Mexico...anyone else hear that....
Better stock up on HDs before they start wearing the Made in Mexico tag permanent.
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