Independent or Democrat? (Political)

[alph]

Of course it’s election time.  The usual character attacks, this person is this, that person is that, blah, blah, blah……

Here in Wisconsin we’ve got Russell Feingold, and Ronald Kind, along with this one woman named Kathleen Vinehouse.  They’re all democrats, but when you listen to their commercials they all tout the “I’m an independent voter” banner.   It kind of makes you wonder why would they try and separate themselves from the rest of their political party?  You know if they win, they’ll continue to vote party lines, how stupid is the American voter????

Can’t stand election season.  Can’t handle all the lies.

[musclehead]

makes you wonder why incumbents don't campaign on thier acomplishments, health care and such?

when the squishy repubs get elected and are incumbents they'll do the same.

the ruling elite are the ruling elite, doesn't matter what designator they have behind thier names.
this election is a starting point we need to elect 'citizen representitives' and if they follow the professional politician mold, vote them out too.

we'll never get them to vote for term limits.

[croaker]

Of course it’s election time.  The usual character attacks, this person is this, that person is that, blah, blah, blah……

Here in Wisconsin we’ve got Russell Feingold, and Ronald Kind, along with this one woman named Kathleen Vinehouse.  They’re all democrats, but when you listen to their commercials they all tout the “I’m an independent voter” banner.   It kind of makes you wonder why would they try and separate themselves from the rest of their political party?  You know if they win, they’ll continue to vote party lines, how stupid is the American voter????

Can’t stand election season.  Can’t handle all the lies.

Good time to turn off the TV.  Here in CA we have Meg Whitman running for governor against Clown Brown.  It's like having to choose between being pistol whipped or moving in with your in-laws.  She's spent over 100 million of her own money so far.  Now ya gotta ask yourself, why would anyone do that?!!   

[czuch]

100 million? Wha,,,,,,Wha,,,,,,how?
To get California? I was raised there and I would probably sell it for that much.
Vote em all out.
2010/2012/2013
choose your revolution. Sheeeesch.

[musclehead]

Of course it’s election time.  The usual character attacks, this person is this, that person is that, blah, blah, blah……

Here in Wisconsin we’ve got Russell Feingold, and Ronald Kind, along with this one woman named Kathleen Vinehouse.  They’re all democrats, but when you listen to their commercials they all tout the “I’m an independent voter” banner.   It kind of makes you wonder why would they try and separate themselves from the rest of their political party?  You know if they win, they’ll continue to vote party lines, how stupid is the American voter????

Can’t stand election season.  Can’t handle all the lies.

Good time to turn off the TV.  Here in CA we have Meg Whitman running for governor against Clown Brown.  It's like having to choose between being pistol whipped or moving in with your in-laws.  She's spent over 100 million of her own money so far.  Now ya gotta ask yourself, why would anyone do that?!!   

ewww california, i feel your pain. 500 billion of infunded public pensions, welfare recipients using their cards at casinos and cruise ships. I hope someone has a clue how to fix it all, I wouldn't want the job

[..]

What's silly is that if the GOP/Tea Party get a landslide it WILL NOT be for what they have done. It will be for what the Democrats have done.

The elected had better have their game plan together or they might as well just F' off before they make things worse than they are.

[Momz]

Remember, we all vote with our wallets.

Obama beat McCain because there were enough blunders by GWB. Bush represented what the GOP was all about. Our economy stared to tumble into shambles well before the Presidential elections.
 
Remember the AIG bailout? Has AIG created anymore jobs or for that matter WEALTH for it's investors.

Yes Obama (congress really) bailed out General Motors and now there are jobs coming back to the auto industry. As for Chrysler,....that remains to be seen.

Get informed, then get out and vote.

[Jabba]

Vote against them ALL.

Vote for every independant, or Libertarian on every race that has one.

Jabba

[..]

Vote against them ALL.

Vote for every independant, or Libertarian on every race that has one.

Jabba

That's a good way of letting the Democrats back into the hen house by spreading the vote against them.

[big turkey]

Taxed Enough Already is my ticket to ride.

If you don't think your taxed enough already, then vote for a Democrat, it's that simple.

But people please VOTE.

It's America and a third world country with threats of death are better voters than us.

We are just a bunch of spoiled citizens, including myself of course.


AL

[valkmc]

Of course it’s election time.  The usual character attacks, this person is this, that person is that, blah, blah, blah……

Here in Wisconsin we’ve got Russell Feingold, and Ronald Kind, along with this one woman named Kathleen Vinehouse.  They’re all democrats, but when you listen to their commercials they all tout the “I’m an independent voter” banner.   It kind of makes you wonder why would they try and separate themselves from the rest of their political party?  You know if they win, they’ll continue to vote party lines, how stupid is the American voter????

Can’t stand election season.  Can’t handle all the lies.

Good time to turn off the TV.  Here in CA we have Meg Whitman running for governor against Clown Brown.  It's like having to choose between being pistol whipped or moving in with your in-laws.  She's spent over 100 million of her own money so far.  Now ya gotta ask yourself, why would anyone do that?!!   

Same in Florida, we have Rick Scott whose former company has stolen more tax payer money than I care to imagine and then said he did not know it was going on. On the other side we have Alex Sink, she backs Obama 100% of the time. It's like trying to decide between warm beer or cold coffee.

[Chiefy]

Vote against them ALL.

Vote for every independant, or Libertarian on every race that has one.

Jabba

I cringe when I hear a certain group insist it's "time to take back America."  Maybe it is, but I suspect they're not going to take ANYTHING back.  Just give it gift wrapped to the Republicans.  They'll probably look good for a short while, but then it will be back to same old poop.

Many think voting for a candidate outside of the two parties is a wasted vote.  But after 53 years, I KNOW a vote for a Republican or a Democrat is a wasted vote.  The two parties caused this mess we call government, and just throwing one out and putting the other back in every few years clearly is not the answer.  If everyone would start voting for the person, and not the party, maybe someday we could clean house some.  Sure, I know full well how naive that sounds, but the system sure isn't working right the way it is now..........

It always seemed to me that many folks chose up sides when they were young, and will support their party no matter what.  Just like a baseball team.  The parties have changed.  The people need to also.

[valkmc]

Vote against them ALL.

Vote for every independant, or Libertarian on every race that has one.

Jabba

I cringe when I hear a certain group insist it's "time to take back America."  Maybe it is, but I suspect they're not going to take ANYTHING back.  Just give it gift wrapped to the Republicans.  They'll probably look good for a short while, but then it will be back to same old poop.

Many think voting for a candidate outside of the two parties is a wasted vote.  But after 53 years, I KNOW a vote for a Republican or a Democrat is a wasted vote.  The two parties caused this mess we call government, and just throwing one out and putting the other back in every few years clearly is not the answer.  If everyone would start voting for the person, and not the party, maybe someday we could clean house some.  Sure, I know full well how naive that sounds, but the system sure isn't working right the way it is now..........

It always seemed to me that many folks chose up sides when they were young, and will support their party no matter what.  Just like a baseball team.  The parties have changed.  The people need to also.

Well said, political parties and the politicians with in them will say and do what ever is required to win, human nature.

[big turkey]

Taxed Enough Already.

AL

[fstsix]

Yep T.E.A  Not a Party Just responsible Americans Sick and tired of liberal Republicans and Liberal Democrats! that each of these care more about their party than their Country! Independent myself...Too conservative to be a Republican. Interesting days ahead.

[JimL]

Yep T.E.A  Not a Party Just responsible Americans Sick and tired of liberal Republicans and Liberal Democrats! that each of these care more about their party than their Country! Independent myself...Too conservative to be a Republican. Interesting days ahead.

+1 

[Jabba]

Vote against them ALL.

Vote for every independant, or Libertarian on every race that has one.

Jabba

That's a good way of letting the Democrats back into the hen house by spreading the vote against them.

THAT is exactly WHY we keep getting the same old crap we've been getting.  By voting for the lesser of two evils, you are telling the Reps that you APPROVE of their actions.  Do you?  If so... I applaud your loyalty.  Me... I am pissed that they have been participating in the porno right with the Dems. 

We're like a porn starlet, getting abused by both the reps AND the dems, and they just high-five one another when they switch ends on us.

Start electing some ACTUAL conservatives, and they'll change their tune at least for a while.

Jabba

[Jabba]

Voting between the 2 major parties IS a wasted vote. 

Evan Bayh retired.  Running for his seat?  Brad Ellsworth, a Liberal Dem Congressman, and Dan Coates, a Liberal RINO Republican who has most recently been working as a lobbyist.  NRA endorses Ellsworth.  WTF?  It's all too much to bear. 

We have a fantastic conservative candidate running for that seat in Libertarian Rebecca Sink-Burress.  The NRA told us... "We will NEVER endorse a Libertarian.".  WTF not?  Because THEY have lost sight of their charter too.  Too interested in siding with a WINNER, rather than being on the side of RIGHT.

We've lost too much idealism.  I am an idealist.  I am at work.  People tell me that all the time.  "Things CAN'T be perfect!".  No they can't.  But that doesn't mean we can't AIM for perfect.  You always miss the mark a little bit.  Just like shooting a gun.  Do you aim at the target or a SPOT on the target?

I idolize our founding fathers.  They were idealists.  The risked it ALL to give us what we have.  In a lot of cases... they LOST it all for us too. 

I am personally disgusted by what we've degraded into.  A bunch of whining, sniveling, pussies, without the balls to even VOTE for what's RIGHT.  Too worried about voting for a winner.  If everyone who liked Conservative values, would vote for CONSERVATIVE candidates they'd win.  But so many won't sack up and do it.  They believe the rhetoric, that a vote for a 3rd party is a wasted vote.

Guess what?  That's EXACTLY what the Repuglicrats WANT you to think, and they have done a fantastic job selling you that garbage. 

Sound anything like a certain Milwaukee company that we're all so impressed with?   

Jabba

[fstsix]

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[G-Man]

What's silly is that if the GOP/Tea Party get a landslide it WILL NOT be for what they have done. It will be for what the Democrats have done.

That's exactly how this guy got in office.  They didn't vote for him, they voted against Bush (even though another guy was running).

[G-Man]

It's like trying to decide between warm beer or cold coffee.

I hear ya!  In NY's governor's race we have a choice between the same.  One guy is lunatic and the other means more of the status Cuomo.

[Hef]

It will never happen because they won't pass it but I would like to see term limits for House and Senate members. Even the President can only serve two terms. As for this election I don't plan to vote for any incumbent!

[croaker]

Not wanting to contribute to an argument which is a waste of good riding time.  But as soon as you take a side, IMO, you are blinding yourself to what's really going on.  If you label yourself one way or another, if your guy is caught with prostitutes, he's just a scamp.  If the other side's guy is caught in a similar situation, he should resign, go to jail, and wear scratchy underwear the rest of his life.  Is that honest?  Same about lying.  Huge liars on both sides!  But if he's our guy, he just made a mistake.  If he's the other side's guy he should be cruicified.  Again, IMO, I have never met anyone who is completely conservative, or completely liberal.  Most of us, if honest, are some percentage of both.  Some more, some less.  What frustrates the tapioca out of me, is when as Americans, we buy into the circus show and start identifying ourselves as just one thing or another.  That means game over.  The pols have won.  I wish we wouldn't give them the satisfaction. 

[JimL]

Not wanting to contribute to an argument which is a waste of good riding time.  But as soon as you take a side, IMO, you are blinding yourself to what's really going on.  If you label yourself one way or another, if your guy is caught with prostitutes, he's just a scamp.  If the other side's guy is caught in a similar situation, he should resign, go to jail, and wear scratchy underwear the rest of his life.  Is that honest?  Same about lying.  Huge liars on both sides!  But if he's our guy, he just made a mistake.  If he's the other side's guy he should be cruicified.  Again, IMO, I have never met anyone who is completely conservative, or completely liberal.  Most of us, if honest, are some percentage of both.  Some more, some less.  What frustrates the tapioca out of me, is when as Americans, we buy into the circus show and start identifying ourselves as just one thing or another.  That means game over.  The pols have won.  I wish we wouldn't give them the satisfaction. 

Croaker I agree with a lot of what you say, especially the part about how folks tend to see things differently or make excuses when it is "their guy" that is under scrutiny.  The best analogy that I have been able to come up with is the football fumble vs. incomplete pass scenario.  If it is our QB, chances are we can "convince" ourselves that his arm was moving forward and it is clearly an incomplete pass....I would be money that if there was a "magical" way of taking the same play and inserting the other teams QB it would be shocking how many people would make the call differently. 

This is what many many pundits now refer to as viewing the world through a slightly different prism.

Where I disagree with you slightly is that I don't see much of an alternative to picking sides...and it is pretty clear that the majority of the population does this for purely secular reasons.  I have seen plenty of examples......

My brother is a single, hard working guy who can never ever have enough guns....some of them are actual legal to own.  He constantly bitches about the taxes he pays, and does not like government intrusion in his life.  Sounds like he might be a potential "conservative" doesn't it?  One point I did not mention is that he is a Teamster.  Even though he abhors policy that liberals tend to have towards taxes, guns, and bigger government and it's intrusion into his life....the friendly policy that liberals have toward labor unions trump all else.  He will readily admits that the only reason he votes for Democrats is because he is a Teamster, and that he will never change his vote as long as he is a Teamster.  I am not offering an opinion whether I agree or disagree with this policy, I just state that this is the case with the majority of the voting public these days.  They will tend to have 1 or 2 core issues which holds their loyalty to a given political party.

I am not ashamed to admit that I vote for the party that promises smaller government, fewer taxes, fewer intrusions on my personal liberties, especially my 2nd amendment rights.  I also don't care to admit that I am troubled by the conservative stance on a woman's rights on abortion, especially in the case of incest, rape or threat to her life.  Even though I clearly feel abortion is tantamount to murder, I still have a problem with it.  Clearly the issue of smaller government, fewer taxes and protection of my 2nd amendment rights trump my reservations regarding the position of conservatives on abortion.  Chances are I will always vote Republican until Democrats change their position on big government, taxes and gun control.

I think the smaller group of independent voters are the ones that for whatever reason do not have any strong convictions on taxes, size of government, abortion, affirmative action, gun control and environmental issues.  It is my opinion that this group is a quickly shrinking group of people.

Just my $0.02 ...............

[croaker]

Not wanting to contribute to an argument which is a waste of good riding time.  But as soon as you take a side, IMO, you are blinding yourself to what's really going on.  If you label yourself one way or another, if your guy is caught with prostitutes, he's just a scamp.  If the other side's guy is caught in a similar situation, he should resign, go to jail, and wear scratchy underwear the rest of his life.  Is that honest?  Same about lying.  Huge liars on both sides!  But if he's our guy, he just made a mistake.  If he's the other side's guy he should be cruicified.  Again, IMO, I have never met anyone who is completely conservative, or completely liberal.  Most of us, if honest, are some percentage of both.  Some more, some less.  What frustrates the tapioca out of me, is when as Americans, we buy into the circus show and start identifying ourselves as just one thing or another.  That means game over.  The pols have won.  I wish we wouldn't give them the satisfaction. 

Croaker I agree with a lot of what you say, especially the part about how folks tend to see things differently or make excuses when it is "their guy" that is under scrutiny.  The best analogy that I have been able to come up with is the football fumble vs. incomplete pass scenario.  If it is our QB, chances are we can "convince" ourselves that his arm was moving forward and it is clearly an incomplete pass....I would be money that if there was a "magical" way of taking the same play and inserting the other teams QB it would be shocking how many people would make the call differently. 

This is what many many pundits now refer to as viewing the world through a slightly different prism.

Where I disagree with you slightly is that I don't see much of an alternative to picking sides...and it is pretty clear that the majority of the population does this for purely secular reasons.  I have seen plenty of examples......

My brother is a single, hard working guy who can never ever have enough guns....some of them are actual legal to own.  He constantly bitches about the taxes he pays, and does not like government intrusion in his life.  Sounds like he might be a potential "conservative" doesn't it?  One point I did not mention is that he is a Teamster.  Even though he abhors policy that liberals tend to have towards taxes, guns, and bigger government and it's intrusion into his life....the friendly policy that liberals have toward labor unions trump all else.  He will readily admits that the only reason he votes for Democrats is because he is a Teamster, and that he will never change his vote as long as he is a Teamster.  I am not offering an opinion whether I agree or disagree with this policy, I just state that this is the case with the majority of the voting public these days.  They will tend to have 1 or 2 core issues which holds their loyalty to a given political party.

I am not ashamed to admit that I vote for the party that promises smaller government, fewer taxes, fewer intrusions on my personal liberties, especially my 2nd amendment rights.  I also don't care to admit that I am troubled by the conservative stance on a woman's rights on abortion, especially in the case of incest, rape or threat to her life.  Even though I clearly feel abortion is tantamount to murder, I still have a problem with it.  Clearly the issue of smaller government, fewer taxes and protection of my 2nd amendment rights trump my reservations regarding the position of conservatives on abortion.  Chances are I will always vote Republican until Democrats change their position on big government, taxes and gun control.

I think the smaller group of independent voters are the ones that for whatever reason do not have any strong convictions on taxes, size of government, abortion, affirmative action, gun control and environmental issues.  It is my opinion that this group is a quickly shrinking group of people.

Just my $0.02 ...............

Thanks for your comment.  Your brother is probably trying to defend his job and the jobs and wages of his "brother" teamsters.  That's just as understandable as you trying to fight the tendency for govt to intrude, via taxes and mandates.  The problem I see is, if you look at the facts closely, neither side has done diddly to actually reduce govt size or intrusion.  Dems:  People do no wrong, just corporations.  Repubs: Corporations do no wrong, just people.  Two sides of the same coin.  The fact is that both sides have held power during the last 30 years and both are equally responsible for the size of the mess we are in today.  Take illegal immigration...please!  Nothing serious ever gets done regarding illegal immigration because it helps the dems politically as well as the corporate sponsors of the republicans financially.  Both sides are equally as bankrupt in integrity and intellectual honesty.  Taxes.  The underlying definition of the word is burden.  There are many kinds of economic burden the American people are suffering under.  Energy cost, healthcare cost, lack of jobs, etc.  These are all "taxes" on the American people and their economic well being.  All that to say this...I will never again vote for someone because of a party platform.  I will vote, but only for someone who I feel has a firm grasp on reality and is willing to go against party pressure.  If they don't live up, I'll let them know and vote accordingly. 

[Jabba]

I agree with both of you guys.

Neither rep or dem has reduced ANYTHING.

We gave the Reps the whole schmear a few years ago.  White house, senate, and house and they GREW the government.

That's when I figured it out. 

They are screwing us.  They are taking turns with the other PORN-Stud party the Democrats, and are having a ball pounding away at us in a sick, political screw sandwich.

Until WE change... they have NO reason to.

Jabba

[alph]

I know a lot of people loved reagan, but i sure would love to have the deficit that jimmy carter left America!!  back before reagan the deficit was only 300 billion.  Sounds pretty puny to today’s trillions.