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Author Topic: Need some extra cash? Union dues refund?  (Read 8474 times)
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« Reply #80 on: February 16, 2011, 04:13:54 AM »

Don't know what rag that piece of drivel dripped from, but you hit a few hot points.

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In fact, of course, America is far from "broke". It is the largest economy in the world. After collapsing as a result of the recklessness of the big Wall Street banks -- and Republican economic policies in late 2008 -- the economy has, in fact, grown for six consecutive quarters. The stock market has almost doubled since the crash -- regaining most of its value. Corporate profits are soaring. And American corporations are now sitting on close to two trillion dollars in cash.
No, we are broke. If you are so far in debt that the servicing the debt, not touching the principle, is more than you spend on required stuff, you are broke.
If you think that this started in 2008, you haven't a clue.
No corporation is going to spend a extra dime in expansion when they don't have a clue as to how much the Govt. is going to tax or regulate them. As it is, there will be about another 2 years of indecision.
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The problem isn't that America is "broke." The problem is that economic growth is not being shared with most Americans. The problem is that the very rich are wealthier than ever and everyone else is falling behind. Not only does that mean that the massive store of wealth that we create today is not widely shared. It also means that -- taken together -- we have less wealth as a nation because so many Americans who could be creating goods and services are unemployed, creating nothing.
We have less because we have more. OOOO-K
Rich get richer while the poor get poorer is BS. The rich got richer and the middle class and "poor"'s income also went up. Not as far, but they didnt risk much either.
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Frankly, you have a hard time taking that kind of talk seriously from a guy who just recently demanded that America continue to give massive tax breaks for the wealthy for the next two years -- and who wants to flat out abolish the estate tax that, by definition, benefits only the sons and daughters of multimillionaires and billionaires.
And is taxation without representation, beside the fact that taxing a persons wealth because they died is morally reprehensible. No American can say he deserves that other than that persons family. BTW, the pres is trying to cut it back to 3.5 mil for a min. Thats the price of a farm anymore, and the value of most small businesses. Owner dies, people are out of work because the place gets shut down and sold to pay the taxes.
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Of course the implication of the "America is broke" mantra is that we have to make massive cuts in programs and services that benefit the middle class and poor because we "can't afford them" -- us being broke and all.
BTW, I am very middle class, and I am willing to take the hit if they lose some of these services that benefit me for the freedom to fail.

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Is America broke? Have a look at John Paulson. In 2007, as the financial crisis descended, he made $4 billion in personal income betting against subprime mortgages that helped sink the rest of the economy. Last year he made a record $5 billion in personal income as the manager of a hedge fund. By the way, had he somehow managed to make that astronomical sum of money laying bricks or sweeping floors, he would have paid taxes at a rate of 35% on the bulk of that income. Instead, he paid at a rate of only 15%, since he earned his money by speculating as a hedge fund manager instead of making a useful good or service. Makes sense, right?
He made 4 billion betting against a wealth transfer program run by democrats. Whoda thunk that wouldn't work.

The answer you were looking for is that we are the shareholders. If you have a retirement fund, you are a shareholder. Get used to it, you are the evil rich.

BTW, my union Prez, just bought a Honda SUV, a Perazzi shotgun, and shops at Wal-Mart.
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« Reply #81 on: February 16, 2011, 04:15:17 AM »

Both of my grandparents were union men but back in the 1920's when all the men sat in the hall to get a chance to work a few hours a week, maybe 4 guys sharing the weekly hours available.

Is there dead wood in the unions at the top ...of course  just like most organizations and corporations that get large. And anyone in a union job knows of some dead wood in the bottom as well as stupid rules that inhibit production but not at safety cost to the worker. Adverse goals and no incentives to work together is a bad formula, there is no win win in the model.

I work for myself ergo I am a capitalist however  today I consider the main problem that of the capitalist model for corporate law. The only obligation of the corporation is the bottom line to the shareholder.  Thousands of court decisions that back that up and if you dont agree then you need to do some research on corporate law.

If my client a 200 unit cooperative corp wants to do waterproofing work we may find the winning bidder *lowest or close to lowest per unit pricing* is using mostly non union workers and then once work begins whammo a giant rat appears in front of the building,  If the management caves guess what, the worker is no more qualified than the crew that was working.  Its the supervisors and foremen who are responsible to be sure the job is done right before the building is closed up with the new materials properly applied. Are they union who cares are they competent is my issue
 No gain to the corporation with the union in my 30 years of experience.

Now I do agree that if my friend in Indiana is told to by Delphi fly to mexico to train his replacement that is cruel and moving entire factories does to me seem Unamerican but so long as the tax structure and laws tell the corporation to do so they will do so  My friend moved over to Rolls ROyce and makes less now but better conditions and he can still put the kids thru college and own his home.

I am not a fan of Obama, or for that matter Bush and dont like to see the Commander in Chief belittled no matter who he is with cartoons that are demeaning. But we all complain and have the right to do so its one of our national pastime that make us free.  I was a fan of Perot, think giant sucking sound. That was a real life corporate success who foresaw this crap and had ideas to slow it down, this loss of jobs.
Congress, dont get me started, seems like they are the ultimate in blood suckers to me

If Congress and Obama could get tax breaks for corporations who create and keep jobs instead of sending them to china that might help stabilize things and bring back capacity to the system IMHO

Last example, a friend with a tiny company makes a product here in USA. The company takes off and he must fill a million units in 60 days.  The only ones who can do that FAST now are china and to a lesser extent India.  We cant do it under current leadership anymore and we did it to ourselves by ruining capacity capabalities here in the USA by closing all those factories and getting rid of people who have real life experience in creation of product and facilities.

We need to change to a JFK model and really ask ourselves what we can do for our country and like RJ says thats all I will say about that : )
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