honda oil filter

[bg]

been using them since i bought the bike but been reading a lot about the Super Tech (Walmart?) filter.
any one know the part #?
my vtx uses the same filter and need to find one for the magna.
looking to save some $'s.
synthetic oil and filter for 3 bikes gets into my wallet.

[Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005]

( Super Tech ) ST6607 available at Wally World same size as Honda filter ...If you have a chrome oil filter cover it will still fit  

[sugerbear]

scroll down and see

http://www.jkozloski.com/generic_parts.htm
 

[Farther]

I use Honda automotive filters because they fit and I have two Honda autos.  Buy them by the 1/2 dozen from this site:  http://www.handa-accessories.com/elementmaint.html

[ricoman]

I use the longer (7317) from Wally world.
Paint it with a rattle can color I found that matches the engine color.
Looks ok hanging there.

[Relax]

I use honda original filter bought from Diredtlineparts.com because I¨ve been told these have an valve that leads the oil during starting ( when the pressurer is lower) outside the filter and straight to the engine parts that needs oil. Most other filter don't have that valve.

All filter ( or the motor) have an valve that leads the oil further ( outside the filter) when the filter is filled with crap,,,( old, to many miles.,) ,,but the original Honda Valk filters also have a valve for leading the oil directly to the engine during start up.
That's why I use Honda original filters.

NOW,,,,if I am wrong here,,,,,,,please, someone  correct me !!!!!
If I am correct,,,please confirm my understanding here........

[Farther]

NOW,,,,if I am wrong here,,,,,,,please, someone  correct me !!!!!
If I am correct,,,please confirm my understanding here........

I am not sure I follow what you are saying but if you are referring to the anti-drainback valve, that is present in any quality oil filter.  The anti-drainback valve keeps oil in the filter between engine runs so that the oil filter does not have to be recharged with oil on engine startup.

[Disco]

Purolator Pure One PL14610 

Go to http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/FilterStudy.html and scroll down to Filters for Hondas.   

[Jess from VA]

I thought the principle reason for the oil filter check valve was so all the oil wouldn't leak out if the filter was punctured while riding (ergo the oil filter cover).

[donaldcc]

I am not sure I follow what you are saying but if you are referring to the anti-drainback valve, that is present in any quality oil filter.  The anti-drainback valve keeps oil in the filter between engine runs so that the oil filter does not have to be recharged with oil on engine startup.

 

Filters mounted such that oil tends to drain from them usually incorporate an anti-drainback valve to hold oil in the filter after the engine (or other lubrication system) is shut down. This is done to avoid a delay in oil pressure buildup once the system is restarted; without an anti-drainback valve, pressurized oil would have to fill the filter before travelling onward to the engine's working parts. This situation can cause premature wear of moving parts due to lack of oil in the meantime.

[Relax]

NOW,,,,if I am wrong here,,,,,,,please, someone  correct me !!!!!
If I am correct,,,please confirm my understanding here........

I am not sure I follow what you are saying but if you are referring to the anti-drainback valve, that is present in any quality oil filter.  The anti-drainback valve keeps oil in the filter between engine runs so that the oil filter does not have to be recharged with oil on engine startup.

Here is what I was refering to:


                                  Oil Filters -- Are they all the same?
                                           by Marty Rood
 

It seems that they are not all the same. The Honda OEM filter has an extra check valve in it which stops any oil from flowing into the filter until there is oil pressure in the system sufficient enough to overcome this check valve. What this does is to allow oil to bypass the filter and get to the important parts of the engine more quickly, especially on cold startups

http://www.valkyrieriders.com/shoptalk/oilfilters.htm

[Chattanooga Mark]

Been riding Moto Guzzi and Honda motorcycles for many, many years. I have always used an oem oil filter. When bought in bulk (12, 18 or 24) an oem oil filter will typically be cost comparable to the Wal Mart brand. Never made sense to me to spend good money on a quality motorcycle only to find the cheapest route possible for oil filters. But then I also typically run either Mobil 1 or Honda oil in the Valkyrie as well. 

YMMV,

Mark

[Jack B]

Like Mark said "When bought in bulk (12, 18 or 24) an oem oil filter will typically be cost comparable to the Wal Mart brand."
  When we order from HLD during a sale we always get oil filters with the sale they cost a little over $7. There are 4 of us and we split them up if one of us needs one someone will have an extra. Right now I think I have 7 or 8 of them but with 2 Valk's they don't last long.
 

[98valk]

NOW,,,,if I am wrong here,,,,,,,please, someone  correct me !!!!!
If I am correct,,,please confirm my understanding here........

I am not sure I follow what you are saying but if you are referring to the anti-drainback valve, that is present in any quality oil filter.  The anti-drainback valve keeps oil in the filter between engine runs so that the oil filter does not have to be recharged with oil on engine startup.

Here is what I was refering to:


                                  Oil Filters -- Are they all the same?
                                           by Marty Rood
 

It seems that they are not all the same. The Honda OEM filter has an extra check valve in it which stops any oil from flowing into the filter until there is oil pressure in the system sufficient enough to overcome this check valve. What this does is to allow oil to bypass the filter and get to the important parts of the engine more quickly, especially on cold startups

http://www.valkyrieriders.com/shoptalk/oilfilters.htm

all filters have 2 valves except engines that have an internal by-pass, some early chevy engines if I remember correctly.
oil filters only have one by-pass valve and one anti-drainback valve. go to the sites that cut apart honda OEM filters http://www.peterverdonedesigns.com/oilfilter2.htm, there is nothing special about them except the price.
the engine has two oil pumps, the main pump has a pressure relief valve.
upon startup on my bike I see immediate oil pressure on my autometer gage at 25F and this is with a superior oversized Pure 1 oil filter, PL14459.
the OEM oil pressure gage connection is downstream of the oil filter

[valkmc]

I use the longer (7317) from Wally world.
Paint it with a rattle can color I found that matches the engine color.
Looks ok hanging there.

Use this one also on both the Valk and C14. Buy it and peel the Super Tech sticker off and you have a nice looking plain black filter...been using it on the Valk for about 40,000 miles with no problem.

[Spirited-6]

I use the longer (7317) from Wally world.
Paint it with a rattle can color I found that matches the engine color.
Looks ok hanging there.

DITTO on this. 

[Bone]

I use the 7317 blends in on my Black & Chrome.

[Mildew]

The chrome plastic cap also fits over the 7317 just a pinch short but hardly noticeable. I believe I've seen a coors light can over one of these that matched the valks color.

[Sigrún]

The chrome plastic cap also fits over the 7317 just a pinch short but hardly noticeable. I believe I've seen a coors light can over one of these that matched the valks color.

Ain't gonna have to be Coors Light 




Cheers!

Orvo

[valkyriemc]

Here's some interesting reading; http://www.calsci.com/motorcycleinfo/Filters.html

[Protospeed]

Purolator is now part of the Bosch-Mann+Hummel Group. Because Champion Labs produced Bosch filters previously. Interesting because Super Tech (Wally World) filters were made by Champion Labs at one time as well.

My understanding is that Super Tech filters are made by the lowest Chinese bidders today for Wally World and no longer the same quality.

I recently (yesterday) compared the newer Bosch "Distance Plus" filters on the shelf and the immediate difference is the weight when compared to a Purolator One filter, the Bosch weighs about twice more easily. It also cost twice more easily ($13.99) to ($6.99).

The truth is that business is constantly changing, divisions are aquired and some remain the same under parent companies while others are changed. Parents are bought and divisions remain the same and some change as well. Big retailers like Wally World have the capability to purchase enough products that manufactures bid to supply their needs. (cost is main criteria).


It gets complicated. This link is dated to around 2008 and is outdated now - http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilters/#manufacturers

The Mark Lawrence information is now largely outdated although much information is useful, the time line is not.


Champion Labs is a leader in oil filters, they currently have a patent on seals inside filters. They made Mobil 1 and K&N at one time but who knows now?

Purolator and Bosch are separate divisions of the same overall company. They have filters that appear similar, are they? Very possible. But the newer "Distance Plus" is like no other filter because it's weight is obvious, Mobil 1 or K&N.

I SAY THE OLD STANDARD OF YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR APPLIES.

The new Fram premium filters are supposedly a good buy today as opposed to internet folklore that hangs a monkey on the back of any manufacture who ever dares supply an inferior product once.


If you buy $12-$15 a quart synthetic then what's with using a $3 made in China Super Tech? Why not another $14 on a filter then?

If you use Rotella T syn then wouldn't it make sense to use a Purolator One because that's practical cost wise for your intent and purposes? It actually corresponds if you look around.


If you use Dino then why not use $3 or $4 filters, spending $12 on an OEM cost factor wise is contradictory almost isn't it? Why would a filter be so critical if oil is not?

Honda makes crappy auto filters and yet because at one time they made great motorcycle filters it remains a fact. What makes you think they won't cut cost on bike filters? Or have ? Do you know?

Problem. The industry evolves and changes so fast that there is no longer any reliable information that is up-to-date.

Solution.

You get what you pay for.

I use Purolator One, have and will unless something changes.


The side effect of aspirin? May cause "headaches"

[Baloo]

I would look to save money somewhere else than an oil filter but that just me.

+1... I was a parts manager in the agricultural machinery business. We used to have a display where we cut different brands of filters to show the differences between them. All of them were fitting the exact same application, but there was a world of difference in the construction of the filters.

I'm not saying that if you are not buying the OEM, you automatically buy crap. But if you buy the OEM, you are sure to get a filter designed for your engine by the manufacturer, or at the very least, to his specifications.

My Valk is too valuable to me to take chances with something else than OEM just to save a few bucks...

To me, it's just as tires... I'll try to save on something else, less critical.

JMHO

[Protospeed]

I am not discounting an OEM filter as anything but suspect. Suspect is not good or bad, it's unknown.

The whole point is that things change and they change rapidly and without notice. There is ample proof of this. Computers started a frenzy when by the time you carefully made a choice it would be outdated.

Electronics in the 60's became less costly because contract builders would put toigether the inventions and designs for the creators. This has evolved to a science today and as a science an industry standard.

The Japanese became so effeciently ruthless that the time tested crafters and builders we all revered priced themselves out of the market and more importantly became lessor in quality. Germans and US makers turned to the Japanese to learn quality mass production. Some did not.

What you can never discount is the ability of anyone from anywhere to reinvent the wheel. Whether it means effecient use of production and quality control or pure hand made craftsmanship, different things can and do effect a product.


Companies and people can and do create and invent better ways. Whether it is the filter media, a spring, a seal, a better way to process and fit together.

To justify that an OEM without any scientific evidence or proof to validate such a notion other then a unqualified logical assumption is not support or proof of anything other then an assumption or notion you figure in your own mind. Whether it is Mercedes or GMC or Honda where is there any support, proof, or evidence that a filter was created specifically for a certain engine application? To fit? To have certain functions? That makes it sound like a filter was designed so we could build an engine for it to me.

Wouldn't it be more logical to assume that "here are what oil filters can do and we need one that fits our new engine" not an engine built around an oil filter? The oil pump and bypass controls need a filter to fall within these parameters. Parameters that vary from engine to engine but all share the same principles necessary. Simple oil in and oil out, pass through a media and come out clean.

There's no new revolutionary invention involved, it's the same basic principle and theory.

What there is is this, better media, better quality control, better construction, better reliability, better seals. But the principle and theory is constant.

In reality there is cost cutting measures and capitalism involved. If people are convinced it is an OEM so it must be better and it's designed specifically for my engine then it must be right ? And why not, we can get $12 for them even though they build the same filter under X,Y, Z name brands for $4?

Not everyone buys that theory though, they realize that A manufacture uses better seals and B manufacture uses better media and C manufacture uses pretty good media and pretty good seals. All using the same theory and principles involved just like an OEM. (OEM means some place in who knows where is building them for Honda by the way)

The point is until you cut this years version of any filter open you don't know what's inside. You don't know how it was made and what was used inside. It changes too fast .


What no one can say is that no other company can build something better or worse then an OEM, PARTLY BECAUSE THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS oem. I think companies do produce better though, that's my opinion and not scientific or qualified. I say an OEM is over priced but adequate. I also say that a premium oil filter by any company is more then adequate because logic should tell you that they charge more because it cost more to make. That logic does not necessarily apply to OEM because they have used capitalism and recognition to keep people paying more. Simply because they will pay more based on no logic at all other then a myth that OEM must be best. A mindset.


"truth can often evolve from the repeated confrontation and reconciliation of opposed ideas"

Emerson

Is saying that OEM oil filters are critically designed for an engine any different then saying OEM oil is critically designed and should only be used? Isn't that the same as saying non-OEM anything is bad?Somehow on one hand it applies and another it doesn't....?


You get what you pay for, simple rule. $3 dollar Super Tech filters were good, made by a good company. Today? I say the same companies that poison dogs and cats, children, and us are making oil filters now because Wally World capitalized off a reputation they created and now changed.

[papasan]

Been using the SuperTech 3593A for 60K miles- fatter filter with about 80% more filter capacity than the 6607 and the same specs.  It scored high in filter tests.  Also use on my Isuzu Trooper with 138K miles.

[2qmedic]

Protospeed,

I completely agree with you on your post, that is the way it is and you said it very well.
  
I have used the Supertech filter ST3583A,
-it has a larger capicity,
-more filtering surface area than the stock filter,
-can use the entire 4 qts of oil.
But I got started thinking about the fact that you normally get what you pay for in many situations and began to think about some of the facts.
Honda charges for the name and uses a generically mfg filter and yes, some other companies do the same but probably not oil filter companies, other wise everyone would have $3.00 filters.
Also from my past position with at a different company than the store of this conversation, and knowing some of the inside info, speaking from the "store rep", that company puts considerable pressure on the mfgs to lower the cost to them. That inturn means a very high potential for a lessor quality item because the mfgs have to lower their cost some how. Could this be cheaper materials in the filter, less filtering media, ect? Think about it...There are many things I refuse to purchase from them. My wife sitting here agrees with this "cheaper quality" statement also.

I have recently began using the Purlator filter PL14459.  
According to the research that I have done, this filter (in addition to being a larger filter), filters out more of the small stuff and has the most filtering surface area of any of the filters.
They do say "don't use these filters for motorcycles" blab blab blab
The bottom line here is our Valkyries produce the same oil pressure as cars, period. This is just covering their selves legally. But, even though it takes a little more pressure to run the oil through their filter, the filter has so much more surface area per "OEM size". The PL14459 is quite a bit larger than the OEM filter therefore it helps negate the higher pressure needed for "pressure needed on a per square inch filtering compairison". I would like to install a oil psi gauge on the bike and then do a direct comparison, but that is a project I don't have time for at this point.
Don't like the color? me neither, I just spray paint it with a silver or chrome and it matches the color of the motor.
Cheers

[Chrisj CMA]

I thought the principle reason for the oil filter check valve was so all the oil wouldn't leak out if the filter was punctured while riding (ergo the oil filter cover).

If you puncture a Honda OEM filter after its installed it WILL leak

[Jess from VA]

Oh........ well my covers will not be punctured.

[hubcapsc]

I thought the principle reason for the oil filter check valve was so all the oil wouldn't leak out if the filter was punctured while riding (ergo the oil filter cover).

If you puncture a Honda OEM filter after its installed it WILL leak

What, did Daniel do the awl test on one or something?

-Mike "gotta read a lot of VRCC posts to know what I'm talking about"

[valkyriemc]

Been using the SuperTech 3593A for 60K miles- fatter filter with about 80% more filter capacity than the 6607 and the same specs.  It scored high in filter tests.  Also use on my Isuzu Trooper with 138K miles.

 I'll have to eyeball  an 3593 interior when I next change oil next. Got ya beat on the troop- '90 with 376K , but I'm on my 3rd head.

[98valk]

I thought the principle reason for the oil filter check valve was so all the oil wouldn't leak out if the filter was punctured while riding (ergo the oil filter cover).

If you puncture a Honda OEM filter after its installed it WILL leak

but with my choice of oil it will leak slower. 

[Brian]

I want to put my 2 cents in here about wally world filters. Yes they do force their suppliers to sell items at a set price point if they want to be on their shelves. I never really paid much attention to items they sold until recently when I was there and decided to stop by the air filter isle to see Fram  air filters at real good price, so I picked up a filter for each of our mini vans. I had been using purolator along but since I was there it would save a trip to another store. When changing out the car filters I noticed right away how light the Fram filter was compared to the purolator I took out, ya I know it had dirt in it but  never the less not that much. The Fram filter media was noticeably thinner in depth by over 1/4 of an inch. So what did I save? Is their media that much different and more efficient? I bet not and can that be the same in their oil filters?

No more wal-mart filters for me, especially something that I can't see inside of. I might be nieve here, but I don't see Honda playing games with their loyal followers. I am glad for those that have used the wally world units with no issues.

One the hand I had crossed referenced Purolator to a Cub Cadet hydrostatic drive transmission filter to save $12.00. Guess what, the transmission would not work. I monkeyed around bleeding all the lines making sure nothing was air locked, they weren't, put the old filter back on. The tractor moved effortlessly. Too much restriction thru the car filter as it was designed to be pressurized where the Cub was on the suction side of the pump. I drained that new filter, it would fit the van, next oil change on the van the filter was used so it didn't go to waste. Lucky?

So all filters are not the same. We are at the mercy of the consumer protection groups to keep industry honest. We can't do that if they are off our shores. I look for the USA product where possible. We need to bring back manufacturing.

[valkyriemc]

Food for thought.

What Purolator says;

"What About PureONE
If you're thinking you want to install a PureONE oil filter on your bike, please think again. PureONE oil filters are designed for vehicles, not bikes. Because of PureONE's high efficiency, the motorcycle oil pump may not be able to handle the pressure. The Purolator motorcycle filter line is designed to meet the specific needs of a bike; therefore we highly recommend the use of a Purolator ML filter over a PureONE oil filter."


And the Honda Ser. Manual says this;  

Oil cooler than 95* F    Idle - 18 PSI
                            5K RPM -71 PSI

Oil hot @ 176 *F        Idle - 11 PSI                        
                            5K RPM - 71 PSI
                      

[Brian]

Valkyriemc, Spot on with the puralator website comment on car filter use for an mc. I think I will stay with an mc filter.

[98valk]

Valkyriemc, Spot on with the puralator website comment on car filter use for an mc. I think I will stay with an mc filter.

I have some land I like to sell u.

the valkyire oil pressure pump at 71 psi is greater than most stock vehicles.
I run an autometer oil pressure gauge and the larger size pure 1, OP readings are exactly what the tech manual calls for.
do u think honda had a concern when they went to the smaller GL1800 oil filter which is smaller than the oem GL1500/valkyrie oil filters and now is all honda sells for all of their bikes?
don't fall for their marketing hype and learn the facts about oil filter construction. If the oil filter has the same relief valve pressure as oem then there is no problem.

[Ricky-D]

Filters are all hype and not really necessary if you change your oil regularly around 3k miles.

All the filter is doing is absorbing any moisture that is in the oil.

Damaging size particles flow easily through most all oil filters.

***

[Brian]

Valkyriemc, Spot on with the puralator website comment on car filter use for an mc. I think I will stay with an mc filter.

I have some land I like to sell u.

the valkyire oil pressure pump at 71 psi is greater than most stock vehicles.
I run an autometer oil pressure gauge and the larger size pure 1, OP readings are exactly what the tech manual calls for.
do u think honda had a concern when they went to the smaller GL1800 oil filter which is smaller than the oem GL1500/valkyrie oil filters and now is all honda sells for all of their bikes?
don't fall for their marketing hype and learn the facts about oil filter construction. If the oil filter has the same relief valve pressure as oem then there is no problem.

CA Exhaust Coatings.  Not looking to tramp in your cereal here but have you had the opportunity to check oil pressure drop through the Honda filter? I was only agreeing with the man about what the Purolator website stated. I see this site as a wonderful place to learn from and find all the comments educational and sometimes amuzing. My previous comment about the shorter air filter media on the wall mart Fram compared the purolator only leads me to be very wary of that big box store.

I have question here for Ricky-D. I did not know the filter media also absorbed moisture. I thought that was reason for changing oil by not only miles but the number of months in sat in the motor if not run. Is this hype too from the oil companies to sell more oil?

[98valk]

Valkyriemc, Spot on with the puralator website comment on car filter use for an mc. I think I will stay with an mc filter.

I have some land I like to sell u.

the valkyire oil pressure pump at 71 psi is greater than most stock vehicles.
I run an autometer oil pressure gauge and the larger size pure 1, OP readings are exactly what the tech manual calls for.
do u think honda had a concern when they went to the smaller GL1800 oil filter which is smaller than the oem GL1500/valkyrie oil filters and now is all honda sells for all of their bikes?
don't fall for their marketing hype and learn the facts about oil filter construction. If the oil filter has the same relief valve pressure as oem then there is no problem.

CA Exhaust Coatings.  Not looking to tramp in your cereal here but have you had the opportunity to check oil pressure drop through the Honda filter? I was only agreeing with the man about what the Purolator website stated. I see this site as a wonderful place to learn from and find all the comments educational and sometimes amuzing. My previous comment about the shorter air filter media on the wall mart Fram compared the purolator only leads me to be very wary of that big box store.

I have question here for Ricky-D. I did not know the filter media also absorbed moisture. I thought that was reason for changing oil by not only miles but the number of months in sat in the motor if not run. Is this hype too from the oil companies to sell more oil?

don't eat cereal.

company websites state those things to cover themselves.
google for oil filters being cut open, there is no difference btwn a mc and auto OF except price.
main concern is that the relief pressure valve of the filter is the same as oem, filters listed in this post and other sites for GL1500 engines are the same.  there are sites showing an auto filter being better contructed than the honda filter.
do u use honda's own recommeded oil? oil analysis tests have shown it to be an inferior oil compared to others.
some are fearfull of non mc oils having moly in them and then only use highe cost $$$ mc specific oil, yet oil analysis has proven that mc oils have moly in them, even the mobil 1 mc oil has moly and actually more then some of their auto specific oils. over 300 ppms of moly is the problem per SAE report and then only in the starter clutch.
research, research. My people perish for lack of knownledge. Hosea 4:6
a lot has been posted on these boards over the yrs.

[Red Diamond]

For the most part, I use Mobil 1 oil filter (M1-110) on my bikes. Sometimes I will use an OEM, depending on where I am when I need to purchase one. Use Mobil 1 15-50 in the crankcase, molys or not.  Eli 1:1-2

[Brian]

Valkyriemc, Spot on with the puralator website comment on car filter use for an mc. I think I will stay with an mc filter.

I have some land I like to sell u.

the valkyire oil pressure pump at 71 psi is greater than most stock vehicles.
I run an autometer oil pressure gauge and the larger size pure 1, OP readings are exactly what the tech manual calls for.
do u think honda had a concern when they went to the smaller GL1800 oil filter which is smaller than the oem GL1500/valkyrie oil filters and now is all honda sells for all of their bikes?
don't fall for their marketing hype and learn the facts about oil filter construction. If the oil filter has the same relief valve pressure as oem then there is no problem.

CA Exhaust Coatings.  Not looking to tramp in your cereal here but have you had the opportunity to check oil pressure drop through the Honda filter? I was only agreeing with the man about what the Purolator website stated. I see this site as a wonderful place to learn from and find all the comments educational and sometimes amuzing. My previous comment about the shorter air filter media on the wall mart Fram compared the purolator only leads me to be very wary of that big box store.

I have question here for Ricky-D. I did not know the filter media also absorbed moisture. I thought that was reason for changing oil by not only miles but the number of months in sat in the motor if not run. Is this hype too from the oil companies to sell more oil?

don't eat cereal.

company websites state those things to cover themselves.
google for oil filters being cut open, there is no difference btwn a mc and auto OF except price.
main concern is that the relief pressure valve of the filter is the same as oem, filters listed in this post and other sites for GL1500 engines are the same.  there are sites showing an auto filter being better contructed than the honda filter.
do u use honda's own recommeded oil? oil analysis tests have shown it to be an inferior oil compared to others.
some are fearfull of non mc oils having moly in them and then only use highe cost $$$ mc specific oil, yet oil analysis has proven that mc oils have moly in them, even the mobil 1 mc oil has moly and actually more then some of their auto specific oils. over 300 ppms of moly is the problem per SAE report and then only in the starter clutch.
research, research. My people perish for lack of knownledge. Hosea 4:6
a lot has been posted on these boards over the yrs.

CA, I do not use the honda oil but do know one valk rider here in our club who lets the dealer do all his maintenance. He just turned 100,000 miles with no signs of an issue from the honda oil. Good or bad I have been using the mc oil from Valvoline 20w-50 that I pick up at the local advance auto. I never saw anything bad posted about this oil. But then a again I never went looking for it either. I learn something new every time I open up this site. It is starting to be addicting.

[2qmedic]

My wife says that I am addicted to this thing ...nah I can quit it anytime I want.
I just have to complete the usual looking and reading.