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sugerbear
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« on: March 05, 2011, 07:22:01 PM »

if i wanted to go to canada on vacation, what are the laws about bringing my pistol with me?

ccw or otherwise.

thanks in advance.
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« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2011, 07:37:21 PM »

if i wanted to go to canada on vacation, what are the laws about bringing my pistol with me?

ccw or otherwise.

thanks in advance.

I'm not Canadian, but I've looked into this...

Short answer is, you don't...

Period...

There are a VERY few ways to do this, but they require a LOT of work, money and the right connections...
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« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2011, 07:45:16 PM »

forget it, I don't even think you can get away with a large knife it customs sees it. and they are a PITA. I live on the border and don't ride there, to much BS.

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sugerbear
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« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2011, 09:42:44 PM »

thanks y'all. guess that settles that. Cry
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« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2011, 11:43:11 PM »

i have heard that if you duct tape it to your fuel tank then its ok......lol
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« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2011, 12:50:38 AM »

if i wanted to go to canada on vacation, what are the laws about bringing my pistol with me?

ccw or otherwise.

thanks in advance.

Why bother, there is no need of one here.  If you decide to bring it across with you and customs or law enforcement find it, I can guarantee your stay here will be an extended one.  

Come and enjoy our fine country, but leave the guns at home.
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« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2011, 04:45:32 AM »

Why bother, there is no need of one here.  

Come and enjoy our fine country, but leave the guns at home.
Didnt realize Canada did not have any violence.  ???
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« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2011, 05:40:34 AM »

Up here we don't carry guns, but do have hockey sticks in every household just in case. Grin
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« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2011, 07:47:49 AM »

you know what they say......don't bring a hockey stick to a gun fight!

I would love to ride up there and may in the furture. But being an old man I sure would like to have a little help if needed, so we will see.

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« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2011, 10:55:08 AM »

Why bother, there is no need of one here.  

Come and enjoy our fine country, but leave the guns at home.
Didnt realize Canada did not have any violence.  ???



I guess it's one of those,  "You have to live here to understand concept."

There hasn't been anywhere I've travelled in this country where I've found the need for a handgun.  I'm not saying there aren't dangerous places here in Canada, but with a little common sense and awareness of your surroundings problems can be avoided.


 
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« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2011, 11:33:04 AM »

Why bother, there is no need of one here.  

Come and enjoy our fine country, but leave the guns at home.
Didnt realize Canada did not have any violence.  ???

I guess it's one of those,  "You have to live here to understand concept."

There hasn't been anywhere I've travelled in this country where I've found the need for a handgun.  I'm not saying there aren't dangerous places here in Canada, but with a little common sense and awareness of your surroundings problems can be avoided.
I agree and same here. Its that low percent that I dont want to chance my life on. Cause nobody knows. Who knows, maybe I thwarted a robbery on sat as I open carried while we shopped all day.  Evil


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« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2011, 01:14:49 PM »

Hello all I did a little research and here is some info for you.

http://www.panda.com/canadaguns/



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« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2011, 01:18:08 PM »

For official information regarding visitors and firearms, follow this link:
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/visit-visite-eng.htm

I can't be bothered to read and summarize the information, so have at it yourself.  At first glance, it seems that there is a huge amount of delay and paperwork involved.  It does say right up front, however, that handguns are "not allowed for hunting or self protection."

I will say, however, that I have NEVER heard of any of my friends or acquaintances in Canada carrying a handgun for personal protection, legally or not.  I have also never heard them say they have been in a situation where they wish they had one on their person.  I have, however, at times wished I had a rocket launcher mounted on my Valk so I could take out dangerously stupid drivers. Evil

The best way to avoid death in Canada is to
1. be healthy before you come here.
2. drive safely.
3. avoid other risky activities that could lead to accidental death, like building an igloo for your kids.
http://www.calgarysun.com/news/canada/2011/03/06/17514406.html
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« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2011, 02:55:15 PM »

The one question I was asked at the Canadian border last summer was "Do you have a handgun on you?"  I guess having Texas plates on your bike means your gonna get that question.
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« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2011, 04:07:04 PM »

So I guess it's the hockey stick or nothing.......

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« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2011, 07:04:40 PM »

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« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2011, 07:22:40 PM »

So I guess it's the hockey stick or nothing.......

"the inspector"

I scanned the articles and agree it would be a total PITA to try to get a hand gun into Canada.
However, a pistol grip AK with foldable stock might fit in the "long gun" category.  cooldude

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No, wait I see that they included pea-shooters like that.

Maybe get a match-grade target pistol and claim you are going to compete....
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« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2011, 09:09:42 PM »

Not only do we Canucks ride all over Canada without a gun we ride down in the US with out a gun as well.  I've been down the Oregon coast a couple of times and all over most of the north western States several times, never had a problem.  

Although, I tend to avoid the places where I may have the need for a gun .............. Like for instance the seedier sides of Cities or fleabag Hotels and Motels, perhaps if I had a gun I would not be so cautious, but then again, I could end up having to use it and that is never going to be a good thing and  besides that, I'd have to pack a damn shovel as well cuz then I'd have to bury 'em and that's just way more effort than I'm willing to expend.   Wink

C'mon suck it up boys, you won't be needing your guns up here, Only the hoods have guns up here and they are way too busy shootin' each other. Your missing out on some great riding, awesome scenery and the friendliest people your likely to meet on the Continent, not to mention the best Beer and Whiskey ........... Bar None !!!

Look on the bright side ................. you won't have to pack 2 or 3 pounds of iron around all day for nothing.  

"My very first pistol was a cap and ball Colt
Shoot as fast as lightin' but it loads a mite slow
Loads a mite slow and soon I found out
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« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2011, 04:53:57 AM »

CISE above stands for Canadian In Southern Exile.

I am still a Canadian and lived in Canada from 1957 to 1993. I owned firearms up there including handguns.

The laws involving handguns are strict, and basically boil down to unless you are a memeber of a competitve shooting club you cannot own a handgun. You cannot carry a handgun on your person with out a a very VERY exclusive permit, and transport requires permits and secured storage in a secured area of your vehicle.

I do not agree with the laws, but they are the laws. If you feel you *MUST* travel with a handgun in Canada, you have basically 3 options:

1) Don't
2) Attempt to get the proper paperwork beginning about 6 months to a year in advance of your trip
3) Smuggle it in

I do not advise option 3. Canadian jails may be comfortable, but you will lose your vehicle.


 
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« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2011, 06:58:39 AM »

I've traveled over 100,000 miles on American roads on my Valkyrie, and have never needed my helmet...

...I wear a helmet anyway...

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« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2011, 08:44:19 AM »

Not only do we Canucks ride all over Canada without a gun we ride down in the US with out a gun as well.  I've been down the Oregon coast a couple of times and all over most of the north western States several times, never had a problem.  

Although, I tend to avoid the places where I may have the need for a gun .............. Like for instance the seedier sides of Cities or fleabag Hotels and Motels, perhaps if I had a gun I would not be so cautious, but then again, I could end up having to use it and that is never going to be a good thing and  besides that, I'd have to pack a damn shovel as well cuz then I'd have to bury 'em and that's just way more effort than I'm willing to expend.   Wink

C'mon suck it up boys, you won't be needing your guns up here, Only the hoods have guns up here and they are way too busy shootin' each other. Your missing out on some great riding, awesome scenery and the friendliest people your likely to meet on the Continent, not to mention the best Beer and Whiskey ........... Bar None !!!

Look on the bright side ................. you won't have to pack 2 or 3 pounds of iron around all day for nothing.  

"My very first pistol was a cap and ball Colt
Shoot as fast as lightin' but it loads a mite slow
Loads a mite slow and soon I found out
It get you into trouble but it can't get you out"
 


 Well now I agree with you for the most part. I have a CCPermit but I have a basic rule of thumb. If I find myself in a location were I think I might need to pull it out, I depart post haste. Unlike Texas, Colorado has more rules on how a carried piece might be used and not get into legal trouble. This past week in Colorado Springs a guy was out walking his dog on a city path and another dog attacked it. The man shot and killed the attacking dog. Police said it was justifiable.

http://www.gazette.com/articles/police-113849-greyhound-dog.html

I can not carry to work. Uncle Sam will not let me.  Sad

 I live several miles outside of the city. Just within range of the dog-dumpers (stupid people who think that abandoning their dog in the country is better than taking them to a shelter) These dogs become targets when they threaten mine or my neighbors livestock. I had a small pack feral dogs who thought to take ownership of my garbage one night this year. They lost. We have re-homed puppies if we find them before the coyotes do.

 I have always carried, license or no. Uncle Sam released me proper going on three of decades ago. Since then I only have had to shoot four legged varmints.
It is a tool, like a pocket knife or wrench. You carry it and hope not to use it.

An armed society is a polite society.

Ride safe.
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« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2011, 11:37:42 AM »

Just curious, are handguns carried legally in any other country that you folks travel in?
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« Reply #22 on: March 07, 2011, 11:42:16 AM »

....t shirt I picked up last year while passing thru Canada on our way to Americade...

Front - definition of a Canadian


Back - an unarmed American with health care ..  Cool
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« Reply #23 on: March 07, 2011, 12:18:55 PM »

On a recent road trip that included Canada, I first researched online to see if any pawn shops near the border in Montana advertised online as having a check-your-gun service.  None did.  When I got up there, I went to a local pawn shop in Kalispell - Gold Rush Pawn.  I checked my .357 and picked it back up a week later - cost me a total of about $2.  I told the management there of the marketing the check-guns-service idea, what with the growth of CCW lately, might be a winner. (Just checking - don't see it on their web site - maybe not.)  Meanwhile I didn't bother to check my Mace or my Buck knife - didn't think it would be a problem - though I found out later, the Mace I think is illegal, though I don't know how serious.  At the border, the guard asked everybody if we brought anything for personal protection.  No jokes now - they don't have a sense of humor.  The same guard threatened to search our so-called leader and confiscate his bike and give him a pair of "shiny bracelets", as he was asking for it, dressed like a biker clown - covered with leather and slathered in military and American patriot patches.  When going to Canada. Idiot. Only thing he didn't have was NRA and "Cold Dead Hands" patches.  Frankly, after this day, in Canada we left the group and rode alone for the rest of the trip.  Didn't need that kind of attention.

So the bottom line is, Canada prefers only their criminals to be armed, as law-abiding folks aren't. Criminals - hey if you want to have unarmed victims, guess where they are.  If you want to travel to Canada & carry there anyway - and get away with it - do you really want the consequences of having to USE the weapon?  Not me.  I took a chance that if any weapons are needed, the Mace and Buck knife would have to suffice.  I did notice Grizzly advisory signs in several places.  I sure wouldn't camp up there.  I've had bears in camp.  No thanks.  ( I use a .44 Magnum for camp security - with proper handloads, I think it might be enough for a grizzly - but only barely.  A .50S&W with full-power FMJ's would be a better choice.)

Down here?  Yeah I carry.  Legally.  ALL the time. I consider it a responsibility, even a duty, to make it dangerous for criminals to conduct their business.
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« Reply #24 on: March 07, 2011, 04:54:43 PM »

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I live several miles outside of the city. Just within range of the dog-dumpers (stupid people who think that abandoning their dog in the country is better than taking them to a shelter) These dogs become targets when they threaten mine or my neighbors livestock. I had a small pack feral dogs who thought to take ownership of my garbage one night this year. They lost. We have re-homed puppies if we find them before the coyotes do.

 I have always carried, license or no. Uncle Sam released me proper going on three of decades ago. Since then I only have had to shoot four legged varmints.
It is a tool, like a pocket knife or wrench. You carry it and hope not to use it.

An armed society is a polite society.

Ride safe.


I'm with you, I actually believe that if everyone carried, there would be far less crime, at least against Civilians............. We in Canada are not totally defenceless (yet) We can still legally own long guns, we use them to hunt, sport  shoot, target practice, protect livestock if need be or take camping to defend against wildlife, Grizzlies and the like. Handguns have far more restictions of course.

The bottom line here is this, you all just got to stop a minute and ask yourselves when the last time was that you had to pull your gun in self defence and decide whether a short riding vacation in Canada is worth the risk.  I mean I'm pretty sure you cannot take your guns to any other countries either and Canada is about as safe a country as your likely to visit.

Like I say if I can ride around your fine Country unarmed I'm damn sure you can do it here, no worries
you're gonna be fine. cooldude
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