new tire balancing and sealer stuff to compete with Slime

[Brian]

Has anyone tried this new tire stuff? It's about $14 a bottle, the Honda dealer tells me I will need three bottles for my valk. So far the talk around the shop says it really works as it keeps the wheels in balance all the time as well as sealing any unexpected nail or screw holes. Good results on a harley with front tire issues and on a few goldwings that are in the riding club. They also claim it will extend tire life.  Please advise.

[toetruck21]

Whats the name of it?

[NITRO]

If it's ride-on, I had my Honda dealer put in my front tire when mounting it last spring. They did it for $10 since they just started selling it and wanted people to try it out. They didn't use any weights and it seems to work just fine thus far.

[Ricky-D]

The instance of flat front tires is only a small percentage when compared to flat rear tires,

So I feel any effort should be directed to the rear tire.

Being tubeless tires are one of the largest improvements to motorcycling safety due to the characteristics of the tubeless tire I think trying to anticipate a flat tire with all of the aftermarket gooey stuff injected inside the tire is a non-starter.

I carry a plug kit with a co2 inflator and have not yet had to use it.

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[MarkT]

Closer to $20/bottle and I got a discount last fall.  I'd like to find it at $14.

There are several claimed advantages to Ride-On including
1.  Plugs leaks in the tread area as they occur.  You still have to examine your tires for nails etc.
2. Balances tires dynamically.  No balancing weights needed, and no rebalancing as the tire wears.  Claimed to be more accurate than manual balancing.  I'll probably continue to balance my wheels anyway - especially if they are significantly unbalanced.
3. Claimed longer life of tires as they are always balanced - like 30% or so, which will pay for the stuff if true.
4. Media does not corrode wheels, and most of it stays in the tire when you remove the tire.
5. The media that gets on the inside of the wheel washes off with water.
6. Media does not void tire warranties.
7. Media does not interfere with tire repairs.

I haven't personally tested all of these claims.  I installed Ride-on shortly after my current tires were installed on my Valk and recorded the mileage.  That will tell me if the mileage claim is true.  I installed it because I had an almost new Cobra that was punctured by a large nail or something (that was thrown out) and the plug-patch leaked though I'm sure I installed it correctly.  The Ride-on stopped the leak.   I understand the stuff is different from other brands that are similar - Slime, for one.  It's supposed to be a polymer that changes state depending on conditions, like movement and temp.  Doesn't pool at the bottom when you stop, but stays distributed.  Is more viscous while rolling which enables it to balance effectively. I already agree on the balancing - ride is noticably smoother, and my wheels were balanced already.  Lots of other riders rave on the stuff - search for it on advrider.com, for one.  It's used by fleets to reduce costs - police, delivery companies, taxis, fire, and garbage trucks.  I'm thinking they know what they are doing.  I'll be interested to see if the stuff looks reusable after I've run it in my tires for their life.

[Brian]

Hey guys, thanks for the great input.

Mark T, the Honda dealer here in Monroe had the bottle  marked $14 when I picked up. I am going back on Friday to pick up a new timing adjuster pulley and I will probably pick up three bottles to put in my new E 3's based on these responses. Timing idler has back and forth play it and I have been noticing a periodic strange noise coming from up there. This was all I could detect when compared to the other side. New NAPA timing belts going on as well.

Thanks again. This is a great site for valk riders.

[Brian]

Ride-on it is. At $14 a bottle I had to buy three for this bike. The dealer told me exactly how much to put in each wheel, pretty easy if you have the correct lift. I took it out for quick spin and can honestly say the ride is better.

[98valk]

IMO quadboss is re-packaged ride-on.  32oz for 15.95


http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/2/9/203/4502/ITEM/Quadboss-Tire-Sealant.aspx?WT.ac=RichAutoComplete

[Brian]

quadboss is re-packaged ride-on.  32oz for 15.95


http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/2/9/203/4502/ITEM/Quadboss-Tire-Sealant.aspx?WT.ac=RichAutoComplete

This is the story of my life. That's an excellent deal.

[BonS]

It appears that the Quad-Boss sealant is an off-the-road sealant. The ride-on website only recommends this for vehicles that travel under 30 mph.

[98valk]

It appears that the Quad-Boss sealant is an off-the-road sealant. The ride-on website only recommends this for vehicles that travel under 30 mph.

marketing ploy/s?.

atv tires take 32 oz per tire,  M160/80*16 takes 10oz

BALANCE* / SEVERE / Tube: To use
 Ride-On TPS Motorcycle formula for
balancing without wheel weights,
 Severe applications, or in tube tires,
 you may use up to 25% more product.

Basically they contradict themselves.
side of quadboss bottle states- all high speed, over-the-road tires should be balanced before applying tire sealant. not recommended for passenger cars or street motorcycles.

Ride-on only posts one MSDS. If they had different formulations they would have to have a MSDS for each one. IMO all they are doing is using different oz amounts of the same product for the different tire/on-road/off-road/heavy duty formulas. In different reviews and testing it has been show that more ounces will seal a larger hole.

ride-on MSDS Color added (typically found: White, Yellow, Blue, Cream, Orange, red, purple)
quadboss is blue.

anybody have any other info?

[98valk]

here is another product been around for 35 yrs.
http://web.me.com/tiretyte/Tire_Sealant/PRODUCT_INFO.html

their application page says not to use in tires over 40 mph , yet their other pages state otherwise.  

and another

http://www.vikingseal.com/faq.html

[John U.]

Here are two more:

www.ultraseal.com

http://permasealtire.com/

[Ricky-D]

I don't use any of that kind of stuff, I feel they are temporary measure only.

Most likely there are disclaimers printed on the labels to this effect.

I carry a few string type rubberized plugs, the few things needed to install a plug, and the co2 gizmo to inflate the tire.

I have never had a front tire go flat!

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[Bullgoose]

I had ride-on in my rear ct and the only thing it did was postpone my tire going flat, for how long I don't know, but my swingarm and inside of rear fender were coated with the stuff (picked up a 16p nail). I guess the tire went flat when all the ride-on ran out. Fortunately, i was right next to a gas station when it happened. Plugged it and was on my way.
It may work well in balancing a tire, but i don't see that it will prevent flats if the object stays in the tire.
But I still put it in the new ct.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

[BonS]

It appears that the Quad-Boss sealant is an off-the-road sealant. The ride-on website only recommends this for vehicles that travel under 30 mph.

marketing ploy/s?.

atv tires take 32 oz per tire,  M160/80*16 takes 10oz

BALANCE* / SEVERE / Tube: To use
 Ride-On TPS Motorcycle formula for
balancing without wheel weights,
 Severe applications, or in tube tires,
 you may use up to 25% more product.

Basically they contradict themselves.
side of quadboss bottle states- all high speed, over-the-road tires should be balanced before applying tire sealant. not recommended for passenger cars or street motorcycles.

Ride-on only posts one MSDS. If they had different formulations they would have to have a MSDS for each one. IMO all they are doing is using different oz amounts of the same product for the different tire/on-road/off-road/heavy duty formulas. In different reviews and testing it has been show that more ounces will seal a larger hole.

ride-on MSDS Color added (typically found: White, Yellow, Blue, Cream, Orange, red, purple)
quadboss is blue.

anybody have any other info?

This is information from Ride-On that I received today in response from my query about using ATV formula in a motorcycle tire:

"All of our Ride-On TPS formulas are very different products, which have been designed and engineered in order to provide you with the maximum sealing and balancing capabilities for each specific application; i.e., Auto, Motorcycle, ATV, etc.

For example, our ATV product is rather viscous with rubber particles, which would create a severe vibration/balancing issue if it were to be installed into your Auto and/or Motorcycle tires. Furthermore, the ATV product is designed to seal larger punctures.

As for the differences between our Motorcycle and Auto formulas, the different shapes of the tires (flat vs. cupped/rounded), the differences in acceleration, and the differences in suspension dynamics; all play a crucial role in how these different formulas perform and why they have been engineered in a manner that is application specific.

The reason that our retail bottles are packaged in different increments, is because the average dosage that it takes to treat a tire varies between each type of application; i.e., 32 oz. (ATV), 16 oz. (Auto), and 8 oz. (Motorcycle).

If you happen to have any further questions, please feel free to contact me directly via return e-mail and/or by phone at 888-374-3366 ext. 4079."

[98valk]

the makers of quadboss. http://www.multi-seal.com/
I had them quadboss send me the MSDS. I guess they don't know some ATVs can go over 45 mph.

anyway I installed it in my front tire using the dosage ride-on recommends. I get the vibration and it goes away, just like they say. actually it smooths in about 1 mile once at hwy speed.

http://www.ride-on.com/images/stories/pdf/Motorcycle_Kit.pdf
After installing Ride-On TPS Motorcycle Formula sealant into your
tires you may notice a slight vibration until the sealant has warmed up
and distributed evenly in your tires. This process usually takes 2 to 5
miles. Please DO NOT attempt to rebalance tire’s after the installation
of Ride-On TPS Motorcycle Formula. Ride-On TPS is a balancing
compound. Ride-On TPS will act as a balancer and will result in
erroneous readings from a dynamic spin balancer.

http://www.ride-on.com/calculator.html
it seams to me that for serve use to get the 1/2" hole seal vs. the 1/4", that all they are doing is increasing the dosage.
I still contend that all of it is the same stuff and they are just using marketing ploys.