binladin dead!!

[Robert]

How about a third choice Osama dies of natural causes and the US takes the credit ??? If you research Obama ill there are more posts that come up They knew where he was. Just wondering

NEW YORK, Jan. 15 (UPI) -- The most recent audiotape said to feature al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden's voice suggests life as an outlaw in Pakistan is affecting his health, ABC News said.

On the tape, which was released Wednesday on the Internet, bin Laden appears to have breathing problems unusual in a healthy man of 52, said John Kiriakou, a former CIA officer who is now an ABC News consultant.

"This is the first real indication that we've had of a bin Laden health problem," Kiriakou said. "There have been rumors for years, but this is really the first solid evidence that there's some sort of problem with his health."

Bin Laden is believed to be living in the tribal area of Pakistan near the border with Afghanistan.

On the tape, bin Laden throws a challenge at President-elect Barack Obama, suggesting that the United States is not willing to keep fighting al-Qaida indefinitely.
© 2009 United Press International, Inc. All Rights Reserved.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/01/15/Analyst-Bin-Laden-sounds-sick-on-tape/UPI-33191232069586/

[Daniel Meyer]

*double-tap to the head*
"I said FREEZE!"

Went well, I think...

[bigguy]

Pakistani Twitterer Unknowingly Live-Tweets Assault on Osama bin Laden Compound
Interesting. Not sure it really tells us anything, except that sometime people thousands of miles away know more about what's happening than those right next to it.

Body dumped at sea huh? Anybody watch an HBO series called "Deadwood?" I'd have handeled it the way Big Al would have handled it. Turn him into pig poo.

[Jess from VA]

With the Zero/Holder views on interrogation, having him alive would have been a waste of time and money.... and air.  And losing even one Seal to take him alive would have also been a waste.

Having him in a giant pickle jar at the Smithsonian would have been interesting, but probably a security risk.  

[Chrisj CMA]

I cannot imagine for a moment that EVERYONE, from the President on down, would not have wanted to capture Osama bin Laden alive.  So much intelligence to be gained.  So much of everything else to be gained.

Pure speculation on my part, but having Bin Laden as a living prisoner would have been a very risky situation.  There's motivation enough with him dying a martyr's death in the eyes of his followers.

On the other hand, having him alive but having the world believe he was killed and his body discarded at sea may be the best possible scenario. 

Naw! They wouldn't do that.      

Clever Carl.........now that makes the ends meet for me, but how do you ever let THAT cat outta the bag!!  I guess you show Bin Laden on a slab, and say we had to tell the fish story to insure security....bla bla bla

[DIGGER]

Man.....strange that this happened right now...........what a way to get the heat off his birth certificate............it was all planned.

OH.....and I left off the fact that at the time of Obama's announcement Bin Ladin had already been killed..........AND BURIED..........AT SEA..........UNRETRIEVEABLE ..........for further tests

[Daniel Meyer]

Man.....strange that this happened right now...........what a way to get the heat off his birth certificate............it was all planned.

OH.....and I left off the fact that at the time of Obama's announcement Bin Ladin had already been killed..........AND BURIED..........AT SEA..........UNRETRIEVEABLE ..........for further tests

As with the BC, what they have will convince the reasonable. Nothing will convince the rest.

[DIGGER]

Man.....strange that this happened right now...........what a way to get the heat off his birth certificate............it was all planned.

OH.....and I left off the fact that at the time of Obama's announcement Bin Ladin had already been killed..........AND BURIED..........AT SEA..........UNRETRIEVEABLE ..........for further tests

As with the BC, what they have will convince the reasonable. Nothing will convince the rest.

[DIGGER]

Man.....strange that this happened right now...........what a way to get the heat off his birth certificate............it was all planned.

OH.....and I left off the fact that at the time of Obama's announcement Bin Ladin had already been killed..........AND BURIED..........AT SEA..........UNRETRIEVEABLE ..........for further tests

As with the BC, what they have will convince the reasonable. Nothing will convince the rest.

AWE COME ON.............it don't throw up any red flags in your mind that they found him, killed him, had possession of his body, and buried him at sea BEFORE THEY EVEN ANNOUNCED HIS DEATH??????

[ArmyValker]

Man.....strange that this happened right now...........what a way to get the heat off his birth certificate............it was all planned.

OH.....and I left off the fact that at the time of Obama's announcement Bin Ladin had already been killed..........AND BURIED..........AT SEA..........UNRETRIEVEABLE ..........for further tests

As with the BC, what they have will convince the reasonable. Nothing will convince the rest.

AWE COME ON.............it don't throw up any red flags in your mind that they found him, killed him, had possession of his body, and buried him at sea BEFORE THEY EVEN ANNOUNCED HIS DEATH??????

Not really.

[RoadKill]

Dead,captured,conspiracy/cover up or the truth. All are fine with me as long as all sides are satisfied enough with this piece of business to move ahead to the next important piece of business. I dont really care (much) what the next priority is as long as there is forward movement and I am happy that momentum for all has been gained from this !  It's a good thing..lets roll with it  Been stalled to long on this one.
  GIT-ER-DUN

[DIGGER]

Dead,captured,conspiracy/cover up or the truth. All are fine with me as long as all sides are satisfied enough with this piece of business to move ahead to the next important piece of business. I dont really care (much) what the next priority is as long as there is forward movement and I am happy that momentum for all has been gained from this !  It's a good thing..lets roll with it  Been stalled to long on this one.
  GIT-ER-DUN

All I'm saying is I think he is still alive.......matter of fact I saw him this morning in Houston with a tin cup under a bridge working the traffic.

[Bobbo]

For those interested in things like this, I found the compound in Google Maps (I found a few others listed, but they didn't look right, I found a military supplied satellite photo of the compound and cross referenced it to make sure this was really it)

http://tinyurl.com/3at48u6

Strangely enough, when you click on the map view, it shows that compound in a "grayed area".  I wonder why it is the only area on the map like that?   ??? 

[RoadKill]

Dead,captured,conspiracy/cover up or the truth. All are fine with me as long as all sides are satisfied enough with this piece of business to move ahead to the next important piece of business. I dont really care (much) what the next priority is as long as there is forward movement and I am happy that momentum for all has been gained from this !  It's a good thing..lets roll with it  Been stalled to long on this one.
  GIT-ER-DUN

All I'm saying is I think he is still alive.......matter of fact I saw him this morning in Houston with a tin cup under a bridge working the traffic.

I hope they are using him to collect Bull "samples" at a bovine research facility...but either way I am shouting "NEXT" !

[Serk]

For those interested in things like this, I found the compound in Google Maps (I found a few others listed, but they didn't look right, I found a military supplied satellite photo of the compound and cross referenced it to make sure this was really it)

http://tinyurl.com/3at48u6

Strangely enough, when you click on the map view, it shows that compound in a "grayed area".  I wonder why it is the only area on the map like that?   ??? 

Yah, that's because it's showing user added content. Someone matched up the military photos with the location and drew out the compound, and enough Google Maps users approved it as accurate that it's been incorporated into the map view now.

[Bobbo]

For those interested in things like this, I found the compound in Google Maps (I found a few others listed, but they didn't look right, I found a military supplied satellite photo of the compound and cross referenced it to make sure this was really it)

http://tinyurl.com/3at48u6

Strangely enough, when you click on the map view, it shows that compound in a "grayed area".  I wonder why it is the only area on the map like that?   ??? 

Yah, that's because it's showing user added content. Someone matched up the military photos with the location and drew out the compound, and enough Google Maps users approved it as accurate that it's been incorporated into the map view now.

Makes sense, and I thought it may be something like that.  Gotta love Google maps!   

[Trynt]

I cannot imagine for a moment that EVERYONE, from the President on down, would not have wanted to capture Osama bin Laden alive.  So much intelligence to be gained.  So much of everything else to be gained.

Pure speculation on my part, but having Bin Laden as a living prisoner would have been a very risky situation.  There's motivation enough with him dying a martyr's death in the eyes of his followers.

On the other hand, having him alive but having the world believe he was killed and his body discarded at sea may be the best possible scenario. 

Naw! They wouldn't do that.      

I like the way you think!

[Chiefy]

I cannot imagine for a moment that EVERYONE, from the President on down, would not have wanted to capture Osama bin Laden alive.  So much intelligence to be gained.  So much of everything else to be gained.
 
That he was not taken alive says something about the difficult conditions under which our US military forces had to operate.  If he's dead, he's dead... and that aint a bad thing.
 
And if it was determined that dropping him off the back end of a boat was the best way to end the situation, I can only say that this decision was not taken lightly, and many people in the State Department, the Military, and Congress were consulted before this decision was reached.

I correct myself.  I have read that the prime goal of the mission was to kill bin Laden.  Don't know why, and congratulations on 'mission accomplished'.

We can only speculate.  But if he were in custody, I don't doubt for even 1 second that his disciplines would do something like going into a hospital nursery and threatening to slit the throats of all the babies unless he were freed. 

Some talk radio host I've never listened to before made that statement earlier today, and I agree 100%

[musclehead]

Best news of the year!  

The announcement of the death of a high value target is delayed for several reasons.  First, after the successful operation, the zone needs to be secured.  Next the body needs to be prepped and shipped (flown) back to the USA.  Then an autopsy is done, and DNA testing is ordered to confirm the identity.  Finally we have to examine all military options for possible retaliation.  There is no gain for holding back on this type of announcement, and I'm sure it is as timely as possible.

elraque:  I have no need to flame you, I'll just let you fall on your own sword as usual...  

PS.  I understand this was successful since President Obama ordered an intensified search and kill operation last week.

theres been some conspiracy thoeriticians on the right trying to tie the timing to the birth cert and so on and so forth......... that is about to drive me nuts!

I give up, the president deserves kudos. the SEALs deserves kudos. this one instance the president stood up and acted as Reagan would have or any other president sworn to protect the country. I'm glad he did, don't have a bromance, and I'm not going to vote for him next year, I'm just saying he did a good thing...

[Jess from VA]

Zero had little to nothing to do with it.

Intel and Operators found him and recommended options (tomahawk, infantry, capture options, do nothing and keep watching).  Zero probably wrung his hands for awhile, and made a choice.  That is all.  His decision to go infantry was probably as much worry about what would happen if he did nothing and it got out as anything.  I could be wrong. 

[Willow]

Zero had little to nothing to do with it.

...  I could be wrong.  

Even if the plan was laid out entirely for him (and it was.  That's the way it works.) someone had to make the tough decision of approving a military operation inside the borders of an ally without formal notification.  That's no easy decision.  That's what Presidents do and in this case that's what President Obama did.

My hat's off to him.  It doesn't necessarily make all his plans and politics alright with me, but he did what Presidents do.

[RoadKill]

Team Six was the only smart way to do it! I give applause to Obama for that decision! If we had done Sadam the same way,Just imagine how much better of we would be. Maybe Qaddafi is next and maybe Chavez or even Castro could have been handled the same. Politics be cursed,use what you have available to eliminate the threat while instilling fear in the enemy.
Soon the U.S.A will only have to flex some muscle to send the enemy running scared!

[Serk]

...and on the lighter side... Once again Southpark scooped this by almost a YEAR!

Osama Bin Laden Is Dead	powered by Aeva

And on a serious note - I still think Obama is the worst president in modern times, BUT, when he does something right, I won't hesitate to give him credit for having done so. He done good on this one, and does deserve some credit at least. Yes, the REAL credit goes to the military and intelligence community, but when the chips were down, Obama made the right decision, and I give the man credit where it's due, and in this case... it's due...

[Jess from VA]

Zero had little to nothing to do with it.

...  I could be wrong.  

Even if the plan was laid out entirely for him (and it was.  That's the way it works.) someone had to make the tough decision of approving a military operation inside the borders of an ally without formal notification.  That's no easy decision.  That's what Presidents do and in this case that's what President Obama did.

My hat's off to him.  It doesn't necessarily make all his plans and politics alright with me, but he did what Presidents do.

I'll bet he backed into the decision (albiet the right one).  My hat is not off to him............. unless he personally sent a case of scotch to the operators, paid for out of his own pocket.  That would be Presidential.

[Chiefy]

Zero had little to nothing to do with it.

...  I could be wrong.  

Even if the plan was laid out entirely for him (and it was.  That's the way it works.) someone had to make the tough decision of approving a military operation inside the borders of an ally without formal notification.  That's no easy decision.  That's what Presidents do and in this case that's what President Obama did.

My hat's off to him.  It doesn't necessarily make all his plans and politics alright with me, but he did what Presidents do.

[Jess from VA]

Best story I've seen so far.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=13512344

[Wetrudgeon]

Very resourceful, intelligent, and deadly people have been looking diligently for the late Osama Ben Laden for a long time.  Unless he could find a way off the planet, it was probably inevitable that they find and get him.  Doubt that taking him alive would have been of any use to anyone, except to the media (who can make a circus of virtually anything).

That is one less...

We trudge on.

[Reb]

I don't know what actually happened, but I have a pretty good idea. I served a 6 month deployment in Afghanistan with Devgru (Navy Spec Warfare Development Group) on an IA billet through the Navy as a predator re-fueler for the Air-Force. While there I helped assemble a predator hanger and facility for the Air Force and stayed on the JSOC compound. For an operation like this to happen. The Government would have to have had some idea that Bin Laden was staying in Pakistan some time ago. I would say at least around 5-6 months if not more. Most likely there was Other Government Agency spies within Pakistan to have spotted Bin Laden. From there, normal procedures are to launch Predator or Reaper UAV's to the site of were he was spotted and circle that area at 18,000ft for several hours at a time while someone at the JSOC command sits in front of the television feed and writes down all activities that take place within the compound. When enough intelligence is gathered from the predator feed. Preparation for an incursion begins. This usually takes weeks to months of constant Predator observations. I'm guessing when Obama green lighted the mission, A predator was in the air for aerial coverage of the raid. 
I'm not talking up the Navy to start an argument about military branches. But, the SEALs attached to Devgru are the elite of all Navy SEALs. In order to even qualify for Devgru, SEALs must have two full deployments with a regular SEAL team, and have to go through another six month training pipeline that is more stressful than BUDS training. I'm not an expert, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night

[big d]

peter king of N.Y. said that he was found through that dreaded act of water boarding ksm. shiver, maybe bush wasnt so far off.

[valkmc]

I heard on one of the news stories that the compound was duplicated somewhere so the seals could practice on it.

There will always be some conspiracy theories, John Wiles Booth, JFK, etc. but if the military says the got him I tend to believe it....now if the people involved in the planning and reporting start disappearing.......

[3fan4life]

I don't know what actually happened, but I have a pretty good idea.................... I'm not an expert, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.

News this PM showed Obama and others watching the raid live in real time............. so  I'd say that your observations are Pretty Much On The Money. 

[Moonshot_1]

I would have much prefered him captured alive, and then run through a wood chipper at sea.

Just sayin.

[GreenLantern57]

I would have much prefered him captured alive, and then run through a wood chipper at sea.

Just sayin.

With a pig!

[DIGGER]

I've never been a conspiracy theory type of person.   However, the Obama administration has driven me there.         After watching tv news last night.....and reading all I could read about the bin laden deal on the internet.........I truly think they got bin laden.  I concede on this one.  There were reasons why they found him....killed him....buried him at sea .....before they even announced it.   As much as it hurts me to say this.........OBAMA GOT THIS ONE RIGHT.

[Chrisj CMA]

I've never been a conspiracy theory type of person.   However, the Obama administration has driven me there.         After watching tv news last night.....and reading all I could read about the bin laden deal on the internet.........I truly think they got bin laden.  I concede on this one.  There were reasons why they found him....killed him....buried him at sea .....before they even announced it.   As much as it hurts me to say this.........OBAMA GOT THIS ONE RIGHT.

+1 exactly what you said........Obama has some great people around him and he made the right choice to let them send in our best and it worked...

[Jess from VA]

I'll bet he backed into the decision (albiet the right one).

Took sixteen hours to make up his mind about Bin Laden mission, with the men waiting to go.  Not like this wasn't in the works for some time.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1383010/Osama-Bin-Laden-dead-Obama-took-16-hours-make-mind.html#ixzz1LLnnjvTh


Go figure...... the UN (we pay for this):
http://www.trust.org/alertnet/news/un-rights-boss-asks-us-for-facts-on-bin-laden-killing

[Paxton]

Anyone here who might own a Valkyrie and wants to talk about it?