Gun Carriers . . . Ever Pulled It For Reason??

[Oss]

always interesting to hear your point of view Dennis.   Jabba I may just move to Indiana one day if they can figure out how to move it to the mountains

IMHO The Second Amendment is one of our most precious of treasures as a free people.

It saddens me that there are those who would limit our ability to defend our country, our families and those in peril.

Oss out

[rodeo1]

hey evan

meet me in vegas the16th of july - we can drink some adult beverages and lie to each other.

[Varmintmist]

 I grew up in south around guns all the time, but now hardly ever.  I have friends that could start WW3 from their home.

  After reading Fudgie's post on leaving his gun behind, I began to wonder.  

  It sounds like a lot of bikers have and carry guns.  I wonder why.  The obvious answer is defense, but in my own case I am rarely in any situation where I would feel the need to have a gun.  There could be many other reasons, some not so complimentary.  Not to say I can't imagine a situation where gun would be good.

  I can understand the gun in the home, but the carried weapon I don't understand as well.

  So . . . for you who carry a gun, how long have you done so and why?  And have you ever pulled the gun for a reason other than to clean, show it around, etc.

No, not carrying concealed have I ever drawn a weapon, and I hope I never have to. I have squared up and reached around and looked at a guy in a parking lot once and that finished the discussion.
I though long and hard about it before I got my permit. I have decided that there are things worth standing up for. I couldnt care less about the cash, you can have it, but when it comes to my kids, or wife, or me, I am willing to do what is nessessary. One thing I noticed after I got my permit and made my mind up, is that my situational awareness went up a lot. I don't get into confrontations with strangers, and I avoid places where I might not have before.

If for some reason I NEED to go into a situation where there might be trouble, I dang sure wont be taking a pistol or revolver, I will be taking something that isnt a compromise. However, there is no reason that I will ever NEED to go into that situation that I can ever come up with realisticly.

I do not "show it around". It is there for a reason, and bragging rights aint it. Now, showing a new one on the internet is a different story, because someone might be interested in the product.

I have "pulled" a weapon from home, and my father got robbed at gunpoint at home. So, I want to ask you, how are you safer when NOT at home?

BTW, the new carry pistol.

[Bobbo]

well boobo

that ain't what he meant. he meant those who carry the sword with malice (looking to hurt someone, gang members, rapists and the like) would then die by the sword (and they do) he wasn't talking about those who carry to defend the lives and property of others. you probably haven't had the honor of defending this country, or coming back and defending your community, many have not. for those of us who have, well we have a different opinion than you. it don't make us wrong, just different.

for all who carry. those of you who have killed another person with a gun (bobo, please notice i said killed, not murdered) know that when you take that plunge, you live with it forever. it visits you in your sleep. right or wrong, it still comes calling.

be careful, get educated, never carry with the intention of hurting anyone.

Your inability to properly spell my handle goes hand-in-hand with your inability to determine what I've done in service for our country...

Your interpretation of the Bible is very similar to radical Islamists interpretation of the Qur'an.  Cherry pick a few phrases and decide that they validate your agenda.

To answer the OP question, I carry everywhere I go, and am (as a civilian) fortunate to not have needed to pull it or use it.

[rodeo1]

hmm, never said you haddn't. and i had the same impression of you.

[Bobbo]

BTW, the new carry pistol.

The Kel-Tec PF-9 is a good CC pistol, but I recommend putting a few hundred rounds through it before depending on it.  Mine would "stovepipe" after the first hundred rounds.  I returned it for repair, and it works much better now.  After 300 rounds without a problem, it's back in service.   

[Jess Tolbirt]

Touchy subject.  I went through the class on Ohio Laws. I understood that when carrying a firearm:
1.  It can't be shown for any other reason than defending you or your spouse's life. (Brandishing, felony) Lesser charge if the gun is brandished unintentionally.
2.  You cannot shoot someone unless they are threatening you or your spouse's life with a weapon.  Beating beaten and knocked out will not justify you shooting someone.
3.  The ONLY reason to ever bring the gun out is to stop an armed individual who is going to kill you or your spouse.  Women have an alternate justifiable reason and that is rape.
4.  A person with a permit cannot use the weapon to stop anyone who is harming another person no matter what.  Only the permit holder and his spouse can protect themselves.  I asked the question, "What if I see someone shooting at a group or individual?"  The answer was repeated, "Only if you or your spouse's lives are threatened by someone with a deadly weapon."

The Ohio laws may be different than elswhere but this is my understanding from the NRA National Instructor that gave us our required course for obtaining a permit.

He also told us that if there ever was a "shooting" to be prepared for a lengthy and costly legal affair.  NRA is a good protection for that.

All of that being said; I personally wouldn't tell anyone if I were to carry a firearm except for the required "Declaration" (Per Ohio Law) if encountered by Law Enforcement.  It's controversial I know but that's the way it is for me..

My 10 cents and .45ACP

mojo

WRONG!!!! your instructor needs to go back to school, if in fact he went to school...
Using deadly force is justifiable to save anyones life,,,,two on one? Bang bang,,,
I am going back to read the Ohio laws and see if i missed something,,,

[Piper]

  So . . . for you who carry a gun, how long have you done so and why?  And have you ever pulled the gun for a reason other than to clean, show it around, etc.

A little local recent news on this subject
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/28095045/detail.html

I have carried off and on for a great deal of my short life. Permit or no.
Out side of the military I have not needed to pull.
I will not have any trouble in pulling the trigger.
I have taken to carrying at the house. I live in a rural area and recently the two legged critters are targeting rural homes more.

I also wear a helmet. June bugs in the forehead at 70mph hurt.
(there was once a thread on what flying critters riders ran into whilst riding. I think a owl won.)
Besides, Uncle Sam requires me to wear one on post.
 
I also wear a seatbelt 'cuz it is cheaper than getting a ticket. I like to stay on the good side of the local and county LE. 

[Jess from VA]

But as far a the Ohio Concealed Carry Laws... I see nothing that refers to any of that. Below, is right from the Ohio Attorney General:

From page 19 on...

http://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/getattachment/02ff1ca7-b17e-46e2-9f1f-505beac65926/2009-Concealed-Carry-Laws-Booklet.aspx

I read that Pete, and there is no restriction to spouse-only in there.

I have read the OH restriction on loaded mags and speed loaders by those transporting w/o a CC license, but it's not in the link you provided.

[Rocketman]

Touchy subject.  I went through the class on Ohio Laws. I understood that when carrying a firearm:
1.  It can't be shown for any other reason than defending you or your spouse's life. (Brandishing, felony) Lesser charge if the gun is brandished unintentionally.
2.  You cannot shoot someone unless they are threatening you or your spouse's life with a weapon.  Beating beaten and knocked out will not justify you shooting someone.
3.  The ONLY reason to ever bring the gun out is to stop an armed individual who is going to kill you or your spouse.  Women have an alternate justifiable reason and that is rape.
4.  A person with a permit cannot use the weapon to stop anyone who is harming another person no matter what.  Only the permit holder and his spouse can protect themselves.  I asked the question, "What if I see someone shooting at a group or individual?"  The answer was repeated, "Only if you or your spouse's lives are threatened by someone with a deadly weapon."

The Ohio laws may be different than elswhere but this is my understanding from the NRA National Instructor that gave us our required course for obtaining a permit.

He also told us that if there ever was a "shooting" to be prepared for a lengthy and costly legal affair.  NRA is a good protection for that.

All of that being said; I personally wouldn't tell anyone if I were to carry a firearm except for the required "Declaration" (Per Ohio Law) if encountered by Law Enforcement.  It's controversial I know but that's the way it is for me..

My 10 cents and .45ACP

mojo

Wow.  So, you are legally required to determine the attacker's intent?  If he only intends to knock you out and leave you, you can't defend yourself?  And I suppose you're supposed to guess at whether he intends to beat your head in with a rock after you're out cold.
This sounds wrong.  Not just a bad law, but a legally indefensible law.  It sounds as if that requirement would get thrown out pretty quick, or at least ignored.

[Titan]

i will prob get told that i am an ass,and dont know squat.................... all you gun toaters?  i aint agenst carrying guns, i have had been pulled upon several times. the queston is are you really gonna pull that trigger? or risk haveing your own wepon used on you? all of you can say YES I WOULD!!!!!!!!!!! but i doutpt it. it takes alot to pull that trigger on another human it aint like killing a critter. ask any LEO

I have to agree, Junior.
I think many believe they have the balls, but I doubt it.
I also fail to see what Titan thought was so humerous in your post.
If you feel a need to pull a weapon but are not 100% ready to use it, you would be better off leaving it at home.

The reason I found it humorous is because you're not likely to find anyone who has been to firearms training and gotten a CCW permit that wouldn't have the balls to pull the trigger if it came down to doing so. My bet is that a good 99 percent of CCW permit holder wouldn't hesitate at all. So, I found the question humorous. But my reply to his question was entirely mine and based on my own feelings. You're darn right I would have the nerve to shoot. Nobody should ever think for a single second that I would stand by idly while some crazed maniac attacks me, my family, my friends, or any other human being if I have the means to prevent it.

[ricoman]

i will prob get told that i am an ass,and dont know squat.................... all you gun toaters?  i aint agenst carrying guns, i have had been pulled upon several times. the queston is are you really gonna pull that trigger? or risk haveing your own wepon used on you? all of you can say YES I WOULD!!!!!!!!!!! but i doutpt it. it takes alot to pull that trigger on another human it aint like killing a critter. ask any LEO

I have to agree, Junior.
I think many believe they have the balls, but I doubt it.
I also fail to see what Titan thought was so humerous in your post.
If you feel a need to pull a weapon but are not 100% ready to use it, you would be better off leaving it at home.

The reason I found it humorous is because you're not likely to find anyone who has been to firearms training and gotten a CCW permit that wouldn't have the balls to pull the trigger if it came down to doing so. My bet is that a good 99 percent of CCW permit holder wouldn't hesitate at all. So, I found the question humorous. But my reply to his question was entirely mine and based on my own feelings. You're darn right I would have the nerve to shoot. Nobody should ever think for a single second that I would stand by idly while some crazed maniac attacks me, my family, my friends, or any other human being if I have the means to prevent it.

amen to that! Titan
 have thought about it long and hard, have been trained and won't shed a tear.
plus I'm in Florida, don't screw with Floridians!

[RoadKill]

Could I pull the trigger? Seems to me that it is more about SHOULD I pull the trigger.

Because I firmly believe that being tried by 12 is better than being carried by 6, my only hesitation (and I would most likely hesitate unless I see a gun) would be how I am going to articulate to a Jury that I was in FEAR. Fear is the key word and in my absence of training the fear for my (or others ) life is what would pull the trigger. Accuracy under that kind of fear/adrenaline/stress is more of a concern and I could also articulate in court that I practiced for accuracy to prevent collateral damage rather than the 2 in the chest ,1 in the head.

If I am not scared I will,and have,just back away slowly. But if I am overpowered or unconscious they would have access to my fire arm and THAT makes me in fear of my life....BANG ! 

[fudgie]

Hey junior where ya been? Good question....

Yes, I would pull. If its gonna be him or me, its gonna be me! I would not hesitate. Not sure why I would let someone club me to death without trying to protect myself. Why would I want to call the police and wait 15 min+. They are not required to protect me anyway. Would it bother me if he died? Not sure, maybe. I know this is not the same thing kinda, but I see people die all the time at work (2 or 3 in May). It doesnt bother me anymore, you get use to it. Sometimes they are dead when we get there or die in our care. I have a few memories but not of them dieing just the way the scene went.

Jess your right about the seprate gun and ammo thing. Thats the FOPA laws that allow us to carry through other states that dont honor your lic/permit. We do it when we pass throught Ill, until we stop for the night. 
Also open carry is allowed in Ohio without a permit. I had to do that till I got my Utah, which is honored in Oh but my Ind is not. 
My Utah instructor said you dont match weapon for weapon, you match force for force. Which makes more sense. Also you can use it to stop a felony and to protect a 3rd party, such as other folks. Again, which makes sense.

A tad off subject, but made a run yesterday to a small town in our county. Chick was high on bath salts and was sitting in the local PD talking with the Cheif. I was checking out the room and noticed the Cheif was carring a old S&W revolver. I have not seen a cop carry it as a primary in years. Thought it was kinda neat.

[mojo]

I asked my wife to review my post and she said that was exactly what we were taught by our NRA National Instructor.   Geez, everyone knows that I'm not smart enough to come up with anything original!  Someone else would have had to told me. The guy was a retired West Virginia State Policeman.  Who am I to argue with him? Maybe his instructions were based on his court experience?

I remember the words exactly as was presented in the class.  Some of the laws have been changed since then.  One was "No weapons within 1000' of a School Zone".  That was too broad and changed.  The other change was that while in an automobile, " Make sure the handgun is in a holster on your person in plain sight".  That contradicted brandishing.

One other statement the instructor made was concerning declaring a concealed weapon to a Law Enforcement Officer when stopped in an auto.  He said that the driver of the vehicle was responsible for declaring his handgun and also responsible for declaring any passengers handguns. 

Right or wrong I stated in the post that the information is what we were taught in the required course. Most people are gonna do what they're gonna do anyway.   I personally hope never to find the need to use a firearm or even have to resort to threatening someone with one.

No arguement here, I admit being uneducated Hillbilly!  End of story!

Peace, Love, Valkyrie

Mojo

[R J]

Have I pulled down or drawn against some one, YES, many times over 32 years of law enforcement.

Have I ever killed anyone, yes, several, I was in the Marine Corps in Korea in 1950 & 1952.   I took out a few machine gun nests, and got a few Purple Hearts for it.   Was written up for a Silver Star, review board knocked it down to a Bronze Star, and my Captain declined the citation and chewed the Lt. arse out that wrote it up.

Did I ever kill anyone as a CHP, not sure, I'd say a few of my shots put holes in his body.   It was a hostage situation where he took children for cover.   We got him away from the children by a distraction, the coroner said he had over 100 holes in his body.  Someone asked why 100, our smart assed Sgt said we run out of ammo.

After that, I took to putting a slug into the knee, if i had to fire my weapon. That slowed them down real quick, and they were not as apt to go with the life of crime if they couldn't walk without a cane.

EVERY traffic stop after dark, the vehicle was approached with weapon drawn for my own safety.

When I retired, I hung my pistol up in the lock box and finally sold it a few years back.    Only weapons in the house now are rifles and shotguns.  Shotguns all have 'OO' buck shells with a tad heavier load.    If ya get a ass full of this lead, you will have to have it dug out along with any clothing fragments it takes in with it.  

With my Marine Corps and CHP training, I think I can handle most situations.   I know for sure, I'll get a snack while they are eating a sandwich.

[Gunslinger]

Wolves, sheep and sheepdogs.  Just say baaaaaaa!

http://www.mwkworks.com/onsheepwolvesandsheepdogs.html

Enough said!

LOL, you beat me to my analogy!

What i was going to say, much less eloquently was,
Every herd of sheep has one or two sheepdogs to protect it, but the wolves travel in packs.


I am a big fan and supporter of Law Enforcement, I understand and will not argue that there are bad LEO's, BUT even a good LEO can only enforce laws once they are broken. For many reasons (which I choose not to deal with at this time) Law enforcement is unable to prevent the vast majority of personal crime. I believe it is my responsibility to protect and defend myself and those I love. That is why I carry. Have I drawn a weapon with the intent to pull the trigger and end another persons life? Yes, but I promise you that when i left the house armed on both occasions I had no belief that i would have any need for the chunk of steel I strapped on. I am happy I had it then, but am more happy that 99.9% of the time I have no need for it.
 

[Gunslinger]

Because of my last name (Huntzinger) I ended up with a nickname or 'handle'. I get a lot of questions about it in reference to weapons, concealed carry etc. Do I carry, am i willing to use it, etc. The best response I've come up with is "Do I need to?"

When i carry I do so concealed. 90% of the time even my wife has no idea whether I am carrying or not, thats the point. I am not John Wayne, nor do I wish to be. That being said, i realize that everyone out there isn't the bad guy, but until someone can prove to me that everyone else has layed down their guns i will continue to carry mine.

[junior]

dont get me wrong, i feel everyone should have the right to carry, but the attitude of some that announce that they have a wepon have no intention on using it,and any of you that have taken phyc 101 knows the type that i am talking about................ and thats all i am gonna say on that


and as for you fugeman, i havent been shot yet, i'll give you the skinny when i pm you

[Varmintmist]

The Kel-Tec PF-9 is a good CC pistol, but I recommend putting a few hundred rounds through it before depending on it.  Mine would "stovepipe" after the first hundred rounds.  I returned it for repair, and it works much better now.  After 300 rounds without a problem, it's back in service.   

I wont carry anything I don't feel comfortable with, and I dont own anything that I dont shoot. I had a real soul search to go to a rat gun (Like a ratchet, is a little bigger than a mousechet, a ratgun is a bit bigger than a mousegun) I was hunting a Ruger LC9 when I found this. Did some homework and brought her home.

So far it has eaten everything I have fed it. It is a bit spirited with SD ammunition. I have had 1 FTE on the last round when I did a "8 round empty the magazine from draw" with Black Hills 115gr EXP It started to work its way up out of my paw.
It aint a Kimber when it comes to shooting but it isn't bad for what it is.

POA was 6 oclock, at 13-15 yards taking my time. It will shoot better than I can shoot it at the moment. It is just so damn small, unless you have real small hands, it is going to move, and I dont care for 3 dot sights. The whole idea is not to be a target pistol anyway, so I dont care that much about drilling the same hole. It is just dandy for its use. I did carry it for 48 hours straight the other weekend in the left rear pocket and I pretty much forgot about the weight.
All handguns are a compromise anyway, and in this case I am willing to give up the 45 and love of the 1911 to be a bit more comfortable. I loose the accuracy and a lot of range, had 1911's since I was in the Corps and I am a big fan and it is hard to exit the church of JMB, even for a good reason.