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I'd carry the spray, the shotgun with slugs and a Ruger .454 Casull as my backup.
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I would probably carry a Raging Judge.....just because I dont have a big need for large calibers all the time. It shoots .454 casull, 45 long colt and 410. Could also use it as a snake gun with the 410. Just my .02
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Bear spray is always the first line of defense in bear country. Good aim is not needed. It just fogs an area and puts a barrier between you and the bear. I still carry a firearm because there are conditions in which the spray is not effective (high wind in a bad direction, etc).
If you do end up using a firearm a laser sight is of great help as its hard to get a good sight picture on a charging bear.
My suggestion is to file off the front sight if you are using a handgun in grizzly country. It hurts less when the bear shoves it up your a__.
Easy way to tell if its a grizzly or black bear? Just climb a tree. If the bear climbs up after you, it's a black bear. If it just shakes the tree till you fall out, it's a grizzly.
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I would probably carry a Raging Judge.....just because I dont have a big need for large calibers all the time. It shoots .454 casull, 45 long colt and 410. Could also use it as a snake gun with the 410. Just my .02
Yep. I was thinking of that one too. Just went with the Para in 45acp because I've already got one. I know the 45acp isn't a bear round, or even a deer round. But 14 of em would be better than a slow fat guy, maybe shot in the foot, trying to out run a fast bear.  |
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It hurts less when the bear shoves it up your a__.
Now that's funny.
Nuts said you should file the front sight off your gun.
It hurts less when the bear shoves it up your a__.
That's Mr Nuts to all of you all.
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THIS will do the job  S&W 500 with 6.5" barrel and at least a 400grain bullet My choice. When I was stationed in AK, the Air Force issued S&W 29s to the Para Rescuemen doing SAR. Marty That was when the 44 was king........the 50 is what I would take now unless they come out with a 60  ( I do remember the PJ's geting them boomers too) I must say, makes me wish I did a tour in AK....riding the hoist down with a 44mag strapped on sounds pretty cool When I was at King Salmon, I carried a Ruger Super Redhawk 7 1/2" .44 Magnum loaded with 300 grain jacketed soft points in a Bianchi flapped shoulder holster when I went fishing. Marty |
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« Reply #49 on: July 08, 2011, 11:14:10 PM » |
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All I can say is that I've shot that S&W 500. That things a beast and it hurts when you shoot it! Not for the weak at heart or those with limp wrists! Line dog  Yeah Linedog.....when I shoot my .357 I can go through as many rounds as I want.....50-100 no problem. When I shoot the 500 Im good after 10 and ready to stop after 20. 30 rounds was my all time daily high and I took a break half way through. |
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When I was at King Salmon, I carried a Ruger Super Redhawk 7 1/2" .44 Magnum loaded with 300 grain jacketed soft points in a Bianchi flapped shoulder holster when I went fishing.
Marty I dont know what they are issuing for the PJ's now. But we (PJ's) are all about the biggest, the most firepower. Id be dissapointed if I visited up there and they werent using the 500. Mine is the 6.5 inch barrel and I have a tactical thigh holster for it that is very comfortable. However, my pants stay up better if I mount my .357 in the shoulder holster as well to pull UP on the pants as the 500 is pulling down LOL |
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« Reply #52 on: July 09, 2011, 07:16:17 AM » |
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned the .460 S&W magnum. If I were going to hunt grizzles with a handgun that would probably be my choice. Plenty of power to get the job done and you can shoot .454's and even 45LC in it the same as a .357 lets you shoot .38's.
I take whitetails here in Indiana with a single shot carbine in 460 S&W, it kills on one end and maims on the other even in a carbine. It would be a "carry a lot" and "shoot a little" handgun for sure but is supposedly accurate in revolvers out to 200 yards.
Someone above mentioned the 10mm. Although it may not be intended as a round for large bears I did see (on TV dangit) Ted Nugent take down a cape buffalo with one after his arrows didn't stop it. The cape buffalo is arguably the most dangerous animal on earth to hunt and one of the hardest to kill. Ted was running towards the buffalo as he fired his glock and it appeared every shot hit were it should have. Impressive shooting for sure.
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« Reply #54 on: July 09, 2011, 02:22:22 PM » |
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...anytime I'm in the woods since then, I've carried a .45 long colt with a 6" barrel, easy to shoot and not too heavy....300 grain bullet hollow point.
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« Reply #60 on: July 09, 2011, 06:51:57 PM » |
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Extremely high powered rifle would be best, with nothing less than a 50 cal hand gun as a backup.
In the cable TV reality show about establishing a Gold Mine in Alaska the miners were equiped by the Cable Network with 50 cal. hand guns only.
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« Reply #61 on: July 09, 2011, 07:02:06 PM » |
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« Reply #62 on: July 09, 2011, 07:25:49 PM » |
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Extremely high powered rifle would be best, with nothing less than a 50 cal hand gun as a backup.
In the cable TV reality show about establishing a Gold Mine in Alaska the miners were equiped by the Cable Network with 50 cal. hand guns only.
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I was watching a show of TV (Spike channel I think) and they had on a martial arts expert who actually thought he could possibly win an unarmed fight with a bear. He went into detail describing how he would have to get behind the bear (good luck buddy) and then sever it's spine at the base of it's skull with a sharp blow. He didn't show any physical manifestations of mental retardation but there had to be something going on inside there.
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I was watching a show of TV (Spike channel I think) and they had on a martial arts expert who actually thought he could possibly win an unarmed fight with a bear. He went into detail describing how he would have to get behind the bear (good luck buddy) and then sever it's spine at the base of it's skull with a sharp blow. He didn't show any physical manifestations of mental retardation but there had to be something going on inside there.
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I was watching a show of TV (Spike channel I think) and they had on a martial arts expert who actually thought he could possibly win an unarmed fight with a bear. He went into detail describing how he would have to get behind the bear (good luck buddy) and then sever it's spine at the base of it's skull with a sharp blow. He didn't show any physical manifestations of mental retardation but there had to be something going on inside there.
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I was watching a show of TV (Spike channel I think) and they had on a martial arts expert who actually thought he could possibly win an unarmed fight with a bear. He went into detail describing how he would have to get behind the bear (good luck buddy) and then sever it's spine at the base of it's skull with a sharp blow. He didn't show any physical manifestations of mental retardation but there had to be something going on inside there.
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« Reply #67 on: July 09, 2011, 09:24:28 PM » |
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While some of the guns are good choices, they're not likely to be ones you carry while hiking. I usually carry a Taurus Tracker 44 mag or a Taurus PT-145 10 shot 45. Just don't trust bear spray, what if your down wind on a breezy day when you need it? Not good!
Know how to tell difference between black bear scat & grizzly scat? Grizzly scat has bells in it & smells like pepper!
As one poster said, for motorcyclists buffalos are what you have to watch for, saw the results of clash between a Goldwing & a buffalo, the Goldwing lost. Always try to keep a cager between you & them. All they have to do is toss their head & your whole day is ruined, if your lucky!
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« Reply #68 on: July 09, 2011, 09:32:28 PM » |
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While some of the guns are good choices, they're not likely to be ones you carry while hiking. I usually carry a Taurus Judge 44 mag or a Taurus PT-145 10 shot 45. Just don't trust bear spray, what if your down wind on a breezy day when you need it? Not good!
Know how to tell difference between black bear scat & grizzly scat? Grizzly scat has bells in it & smells like pepper!
As one poster said, for motorcyclists buffalos are what you have to watch for, saw the results of clash between a Goldwing & a buffalo, the Goldwing lost. Always try to keep a cager between you & them. All they have to do is toss their head & your whole day is ruined, if your lucky!
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Saw your post and read all the replies. Most were well thought out; however, I believe that while you can carry in Yellowstone, I am pretty certain that you will be required to carry concealed and that rules out long guns AND you should go prepared with a CCW that is recognized in the State of Wyoming.
I have hunted elk in griz country for over 20 years and never encountered one, but that said, I would never take one on with a handgun if given the option of having a 12 ga. or something along the lines of a .338 Win Mag., .444 Marlin, .45-70, .450 Marlin, or .458 Win Mag.
I may be incorrect on the concealed carry requirement in Yellowstone, but you need to know for certain before you get there.
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I may be incorrect on the concealed carry requirement in Yellowstone, but you need to know for certain before you get there.
Be safe and have a fun trip!
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I may be incorrect on the concealed carry requirement in Yellowstone, but you need to know for certain before you get there.
Be safe and have a fun trip!
I think the law passed last year where you can carry in all National parks. Your permit has to be recognized by the state the park is in. In the case of Yellowstone, I think that includes Montana, Wyoming and Idaho depending on what part of the park you are in. All three recognized Indiana's permits when we were there. |
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Saw your post and read all the replies. Most were well thought out; however, I believe that while you can carry in Yellowstone, I am pretty certain that you will be required to carry concealed and that rules out long guns AND you should go prepared with a CCW that is recognized in the State of Wyoming.
Be safe and have a fun trip!
Guns are allowed in National Parks if the state housing the Park allows for gun permits and concealed-carry permits. In other words, if you have a valid permit in your state and the state you are visiting recognizes the validity of that permit, you're in the clear to carry. The Park lies in three different states, and each states have different laws pertaining to reciprocal permits and concealed carry. Wyoming, for instance, recognized permits from only 23 states; Montana from 40 and Idaho from 48. It's still illegal to discharge a weapon in Yellowstone National Park. Various laws, including anti-poaching initiatives from the 1880s, prohibit the discharge of weapons. There are no self-defense provisions to Yellowstone's firearm restrictions, either, so making up some tale about a rutting whitetail threatening your personal space won't fly. So no firearm for me in yellowstone.  I was watching a show of TV (Spike channel I think) and they had on a martial arts expert who actually thought he could possibly win an unarmed fight with a bear.
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I know we're talking purely academic here, but I really wouldn't use a Desert Eagle... The 500 is FAR more powerful than the 50 AE, but more importantly, the Desert Eagles, while they're incredibly fun, are very finicky guns... I've got one (Albeit only in the lowly .44 Magnum), and have shot several, and all the planets have to be in perfect alignment for it to function properly and reliably... (And they weren't designed for the Israeli military, no military or police force actually uses them outside of Hollywood...) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMI_Desert_EagleWow, mine will chew up any ammo and has never failed to shoot. The hotter the load the better. Got my eagle back in '87. Would bet my life on it. Not a real practical carry gun...lol. I've been told they aren't 'tactical', but I still want one |
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I lived in Alaska for four years and hunted big game as much as I could. I shot a 500 lb grizzly with .375 H&H in the boiler room and my hunting buddy also nailed it in the same place with his .300 Weatherby. The bear ran about 75 yds before the third bullet hit it in the neck and ended the show. I also shot a small black bear with the .375 and it ran about 100 yds before expiring. It had a hole through its chest large enough that I could put my arm all the way through the bear.
The point being that in neither case did the bullet knock the bear down. Shooting a bear with a handgun is a very iffy proposition and requires great expertise to be effective. I have shot boars with a .500 Linebaugh and it didn't devastate them as one would have thought. A grizzly would be a totally different story - - if you didn't put the bear down on the first shot, you would probably be eating that pistol.
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