New CT? Any actual "flaming death" stories?

[Ferris Leets]

I keep hearing about this but have never heard of any story that was not prefaced with "i heard of a guy who".  Are ther any actual verifiable disasters acosiated with this.

[Gryphon]

If you actually died a flaming death, how would you write about it?   

BTW, I have a Falken 512.

[Ferris Leets]

I would be satisfied with a reply that started with "I knew a guy who ..."  The only negatives I have heard have been theoretical or what if.

[The Anvil]

I've never heard a flaming death story about a car tire on the Valk. I think there's more than enough evidence now that if you do it properly that it's perfectly safe.

I still ain't doing it, but It's safe.

[PharmBoy]

I hated the first one.  Almost ran me over an SUV in an uneven parking lot.  No flaming death, but I took it off and gave it away.  Loved the second one and am down to the warning strips in the tread.  Have a Falken 512 in the garage just waiting.  However, I say make your own choice.  If you do choose to go with the CT, choose one that has the most rounded sides that you can find.  It will have all the atributes of a CT, but will require less counter steer pressure in turns and less bump steer on uneven surfaces...Jim

[Ferris Leets]

This thread was not started to get endorsements for Car Tries.  Only negative stories please.
   PharmBoy,
          Yes, bump steer is common at low speed and a known issue.  Still not enough for a flaming death thread.

[Willow]

I know a rider who experienced an accident of which it could be reasonably speculated the flat bottomed tire was a causal participant.

I also know a rider who was rear ended and attributed the stability of the bike on impact to the flat bottomed tire.

I know a rider who is unable to use his front brake.  I firmly believe the blat bottomed tire on the rear is what enable him to ride at the superb level at which he does.

Sorry for the two positives.  I only know of the one possible negative.

For background, I've ridden several Valkyries with flat bottomed tires, some hardly noticeable and some really horrible.  I've never yet put one on one of my own Valkyries. 

[BamaDrifter64]

The only negative story I have about CTs is that I'm tired of people bringing up the subject time and time again.  All the info is out there, try one if you want to, don't try one if you don't want to.  It's a personal decision and bringing it up time and again isn't changing any of the info.  Sorry, just tired of "flaming death" crap.  Must be my time of the month or something....

Dave

[PharmBoy]

Exactly what I was trying to say in a nice way, Bama.  I'm used to saying what I believe is the truth as I see it, Not what someone else wants to hear...Jim

[Ferris Leets]

Can we stay on topic here? 
So far 218 reads.  One "could be reasonably speculated the flat bottomed tire was a causal participant."

I only want flaming deaths.  Otherwise i have to keep opening and reading about stuff that is not related to my question.

[Kylenav]

Probably have over 200 reads because everyone who cares about a CT wants to see if anyone actually has any death stories.  So far your coming up empty...  I guessing that that should be a hint.  Maybe there are none???????????

[Mr Steve]

Someday we'll probably have a car tire related death, someone will bring it up one too many times for someone else and get shot.

[fudgie]

Only know 1 Valk rider who went down cause of the road surface while using a CT.

[Ricky-D]

Ahhh, I experienced a flaming death one day and now find myself in Valhalla riding my Valkyrie.

Actually it was a wet road where the rear end tried coming around to the front.

Cost me a crash bar and a pod.  About three hundred bucks.

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[Ferris Leets]

Ahhh, I experienced a flaming death one day and now find myself in Valhalla riding my Valkyrie.

Actually it was a wet road where the rear end tried coming around to the front.

Cost me a crash bar and a pod.  About three hundred bucks.

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Sorry to hear of your demise. 
    Do you really (not questioning your honesty or knowledge just questioning) believe that a MC tire would have prevented the slip?

Fudgie,
     Same question?
  So far there are over 320 reads.  With 3 possible CT related mishaps.
I think some have gotten the wrong idea as to why I started this post.  I run a CT, don't care what you run.  I just keep hearing all of these anecdotal crash references with out any actual 1st or even 2nd hand evidence.  By my estimate from the threads I have read it sounds like we have at least 100 people on this site using the CT,  with a combined mileage approaching 500K.  Somebody should have died by now.  I want to send a condolence card.  So find me the person to send it to.

[tank_post142]

i have just over 300,000 on multiple c/t with no problems so far. i did have a rear end come around on me once but i believe that was a combo of rain and bad rear brakes.

[judd]

No Flaming death here, but I ran a Cooper 2XS for 20K and went back to an M/C tire due to the bump steer.  This isn't much of a problem if the roads you ride on are relativly smooth.  I dealt with it pretty well for the most part, it was mostly when going slow on uneven surfaces, but what changed it all for me was a ride up Hwy 97, South of Bend Oregon, the road is so swaled in the driving lanes from heavy truck traffic I suspect.   I had little control of the bike on this road, it would ride to the top of the swale and back down in the trough and back up the other side, this stretch of road was at least 50 miles maybe more, it felt like a 1000,  I couldn't wait to get off of it.  At highway speeds this was friggin scarey to say the least.  My buddies Valk had a M/C tire and experienced nothing like I did.  I replaced it with a M/C tire as soon as I got home and will never go back.    

I do however suspect that I may suffer a Flaming death from the Car tire advocates on here.  No worries, these are my experiences............ YMMV    

[MarkT]

You only want to hear about it, if it actually CAUSED a crash?  Kidding, right?  Or making a point.  Doesn't count, if I took it off BEFORE it caused a crash?  So you only want to hear from folks who didn't get the message, crashed, but are still alive to tell you about it... Otherwise you are counting all the lurking posts as somehow proving CT's are OK on bikes.  Well since you are counting my lurk, I'm posting this - don't want my lurk to count as supporting CT's, being a good idea.  NOT, in my experience.  Yep - fallacious "bump steer".  No-no.

[Ferris Leets]

You only want to hear about it, if it actually CAUSED a crash?  Kidding, right?  Or making a point.  Doesn't count, if I took it off BEFORE it caused a crash?  So you only want to hear from folks who didn't get the message, crashed, but are still alive to tell you about it... Otherwise you are counting all the lurking posts as somehow proving CT's are OK on bikes.  Well since you are counting my lurk, I'm posting this - don't want my lurk to count as supporting CT's, being a good idea.  NOT, in my experience.  Yep - fallacious "bump steer".  No-no.

No I am not kidding, there are enough miles on the CT that I think there should be an incident or few.  Taking the tire off because you thought it was not safe does not really tell me anything.  It was removed because of a perceived danger.  What I want to hear is from people who actually have some miles on them and had major problems as most of the anecdotal info has no basis in real world problems.  Just what ifs and possibly that and omigod how could you possibly ride on a square tire it
won't work.
    I am not trying to prove anything.  Just looking for feedback from the people who actually know from using it.
  As far as counting for lurking posts.  The number of hits tell me that a lot of people have read this and virtually none had anything to write about it.  There are more here in defense of the CT , I would rather they didn't post because I have to come back and look to find out that they are not giving useful info.

[currahee2-6]

THANK YOU MR STEVE.....FUNNIEST PART OF THIS WHOLE THREAD  ........SHOWS A GREAT SENSE OF HUMOR............. WHILE SOME TESTINESS ABOUNDS ..

[Fudd]

Here is a claim....sort of.

http://gl1800riders.com/forums/showthread.php?t=260409

[olddog1946]

I have no "flaming death" stories to tell, but do have 11000 miles on my C/T on roads from Wa to Az.  Two weeks ago I went on a ride to Marysville, Wa to see my son and attend a rally..Riding in Seattle traffic, at 05-15 mph for miles at a time, I can tell you that if I lived on that side of the state, I would NOT have a C/T mounted.. Low speed handling on worn and badly grooved roads in bumper to bumper traffic is without a doubt not at all pleasant..But I don't live over there, and I have been happy with the tire otherwise..

[judd]

Here is a claim....sort of.

http://gl1800riders.com/forums/showthread.php?t=260409

This brings a question to mind for me, lets say you have an accident with either an M/C or a Car tire that could be directly attributed to the tire, eg: a manufacturing defect.  Now you go to Court and try to recoup your damages from the tire manufacturer, I'm thinking you might have a shot with the M/C tire.   

What argument do you think the Car tire manufacturer' Lawyers might offer in a Court of Law ?        Yup, those would be my guesses.............

[fudgie]

Why would I sue the CT manufacturer if I wrecked as a 'resualt' of the CT? Thats plain retarded.  I put it on and know any custom work may fail and cause a wreck/injury. Thats like me suing Winchester cause I shot their ammo and it hit my barn causing damage. Again, anyone that would do that is plain retarded. 

[judd]

Why would I sue the CT manufacturer if I wrecked as a 'resualt' of the CT? Thats plain retarded.  I put it on and know any custom work may fail and cause a wreck/injury. Thats like me suing Winchester cause I shot their ammo and it hit my barn causing damage. Again, anyone that would do that is plain retarded. 

You're right, it would be retarded as you say to sue the C/T manufacturer, cuz you wouldn't have a leg to stand on............. That's my point ! A more suitable analogy would be more like putting the wrong ammo in your gun and trying to sue Winchester.

Ok, let's create another hypothetical scenario .....................You're ripping up the turns on the Dragon and for some reason you miss you're line, fail to negotiate the corner and crash into another motorcyclist descending in the other lane causing severe injury or death to the other biker or bikers spouse.  Now he or his insurance company decide to sue you.  Do you think that C/T might come into question........................knowing Lawyers, you can bet your azz on it.  I'm just saying, it's just not your hide you should be concerned with when making modifications that could possibly be called into question in a Court of Law.  I think it's just a matter of time before something like this ends up in the Courts and I am certain that all the C/T arguments will be shot down there.  I don't believe a single C/T manufactuerer would argue a case for you.


You take you're chances, I did, as I have stated I've put 20,000 on a C/T.  I gave it go and went back .................. Yes the C/T works but, not in all situations or nearly as well as a M/C specific tire IMO  My bike handles much better, Thanx.   

[Walküre]

Well, not a flaming death of the motorcyclist, but an injured arm. However, there WAS a death, all due to a car tire...

A bizarre accident involving a flying tire on Highway 101 in San Francisco left a 36-year-old woman dead Friday, the California Highway Patrol said.

The accident happened shortly after noon, when the left rear tire came loose on a taxi traveling north on Highway 101 near Cesar Chavez Street, CHP Officer Shawn Chase said.

The tire flew across the center divide and struck a southbound sport utility vehicle, smashing through the windshield and killing Felecia Stokes of Merced.

Stokes' 15-year-old daughter managed to bring the SUV to a stop but accidentally put the vehicle into reverse, striking a motorcyclist who had stopped to help. The motorcyclist suffered an injured arm.

So, guess it DOES happen, just not how we expect it to...

Link to article: Bizarre Accident

[Farther]

How does a motorcycle CT perform during a blow out or other catastrophic air loss event?

[Hoser]

As a reformed "lurker", I have a feeling we are just watching for the entertainment value.  I don't care what anyone rides as tires, and you shouldn't either.  Going back to "lurking"now, what does that really mean, anyhow?  Hoser   

[2qmedic]

I only remember one incident where something in the road ruptured the side wall and the tread. For some reason, I want to say that it may have been Ricky-D??? Not sure, but I remember the picture on this forum.

[Walküre]

I only remember one incident where something in the road ruptured the side wall and the tread. For some reason, I want to say that it may have been Ricky-D??? Not sure, but I remember the picture on this forum.

I don't remember, either, but seem to recall possibly Daniel, having pictures of a huge sharp metal object, perforating a tire? Didn't find it in a search...maybe someone else knows of it.

Ahhh, FOUND IT!! It WAS Daniel Meyer, was in the thread, not the sidewall....here's the thread, with pictures:

http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,18381.0.html

R

[Kylenav]

Since I have started reading this, IMO ridiculous thread, I mounted my first CT.  I'm not sure how you can say a CT caused an accident that would be avoided otherwise by running over something in the road.  I know my AVON certainly was not impervious to a sharp metal object lying in the road.  My guess would be the exact same thing would happen to the MC tire if I ran over something that punctured the tire. It'd cause a failure in the tire (air would come out at an extreme rate), my butt hole would pucker right up, and I'd try keep control and roll to a stop keeping off the brakes.

Again not sure what you're trying to prove or ask of people.  If you want to know if anyone has experienced a "Flaming death" strictly from having a CT on their bike you should consider searching, "flaming death" or 'CT Crash" or anything along those lines.

Oh as for the suing thing... If you were on the dragon and couldn't maintain a riding line for whatever reason you can bet your arse that you'd be getting sued no matter what.  If ya cross the yellow line and hit another bike then you're driving to fast for conditions, failure to maintain a single driving lane, careless driving, etc. etc. etc.  I don't think any lawyer would only win a case of litigation because you were riding on a CT.  They would be hard pressed to convince anyone that the CT was the sole reason you couldn't maintain control, if possible at all.  I know I'd have a lawyer as well and I would hope he would print out the other threads that showed hundreds of people with hundreds of thousands of miles experienced no negative results on the same road.  I searched and cannot find a law in any state that prohibits the mounting of a car tire on my motorcycle.  One can even debate the DOT doesn't have any written policy about the use of a CT on a motorcycle.  The DOT just states the tire meets their requirements for the tires intended use.  While it may not be "advised" there certainly is not anything I can find saying I could receive a ticket or any negative ramifications from using a CT on the fat lady.

Just my perspective on things.  Take it or leave it

[2qmedic]

I only remember one incident where something in the road ruptured the side wall and the tread. For some reason, I want to say that it may have been Ricky-D??? Not sure, but I remember the picture on this forum.

I don't remember, either, but seem to recall possibly Daniel, having pictures of a huge sharp metal object, perforating a tire? Didn't find it in a search...maybe someone else knows of it.
Ahhh, FOUND IT!! It WAS Daniel Meyer, was in the thread, not the sidewall....here's the thread, with pictures:

http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,18381.0.html
[/quote]
Well, actually that was not the tire I was speaking of. The one I speak of had a picture of the tire with a screwdriver through the tread and side wall to show the extent of damage.

[Walküre]

Well, actually that was not the tire I was speaking of. The one I speak of had a picture of the tire with a screwdriver through the tread and side wall to show the extent of damage.

perhaps you were talking about this one?  Took a little more looking but found it...http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,12499.0.html

R

[2qmedic]

HEY!!! Dats the one!!! 

I thought it was RIcky-D.

Sorry it wasn't a flamming death post as you were asking...guess this is as close as we can find.
You know, that's a pretty good thing though in my book!!!

Ricky-D, if your out there, what was the rating on that tire, did it have a very stiff sidewall???
I just wonder how that may have influenced the handling...

[Ricky-D]

It was a great  "Z" rated tire!

Wish I could have replaced it with the same, but it wasn't available.

I don't consider any more M/C tires for the rear after that little "OOPS"

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[The Anvil]

I've lost dozens of rear tires, street and dirt and it was never more than "slightly hairy".

[Ferris Leets]

I did not start this as a foolish thread, joke, or to prove anything.  I just wanted to know of any actual crashes CAUSED by using a CT.

So far 980 views and a couple of accidents "possibly" caused by a car tire.  No indication of the flaming deaths predicted.
    I am now done with this.

[98valk]

http://mcdarksiders.forumotion.com/

http://darkside.nwff.info/

[Ferris Leets]

http://mcdarksiders.forumotion.com/

http://darkside.nwff.info/

Is there something here that I can not find?  I could not search for crashes caused by the tires.  the only thing I found was a page of not recommended tires.  Of the 4 examples 3 were known to blow ups on install(?) and one blew up at 110 psi. 

[BamaDrifter64]

http://mcdarksiders.forumotion.com/

http://darkside.nwff.info/

Is there something here that I can not find?  I could not search for crashes caused by the tires.  the only thing I found was a page of not recommended tires.  Of the 4 examples 3 were known to blow ups on install(?) and one blew up at 110 psi. 

I thought you said you were done with this?!?!   

I did not start this as a foolish thread, joke, or to prove anything.  I just wanted to know of any actual crashes CAUSED by using a CT.

So far 980 views and a couple of accidents "possibly" caused by a car tire.  No indication of the flaming deaths predicted.
    I am now done with this.