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Just seen this cool looking gadget. Does anyone know anything about it or any other alternative devices for the F6C?? Thanks
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« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2011, 08:14:22 AM » |
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mmm, I like that..can't begin to tell you how many times I've tried to hit 6th gear, lol...usually at a lower speed,,,but have done it enough to know an indicator wouldn't hurt me......
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« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2011, 08:26:45 AM » |
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You can do a search.
There have been a few threads over time regarding these type gauges.
The crux of the threads was that they're junk and totally unnecessary.
From the standpoint of BLING value. Well, that's a personal thing.
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« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2011, 05:00:31 PM » |
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I use the tach & speedo as gear indicators.
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« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2011, 06:16:55 PM » |
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I use the tach & speedo as gear indicators.
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« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2011, 02:06:40 AM » |
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I've ordered one - will let everyone know how I get on.  HH |
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« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2011, 04:04:09 PM » |
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I can't begin to tell you how many times I've tried to hit 6th gear....
Here's my new improved version you might like olddog, also incorporating handy neutral finder.....  Currently working on a heart rate monitor wired into the ignition and your cell phone. When you flatline after a traffic induced cardiac arrest (or parking with no reverse gear), the engine shuts down, side stand automatically extends, the stereo switches to Elgar's 'Nimrod' and your cell calls a designated number (sig.other, lawyer, morgue etc.)   |
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« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2011, 05:18:55 PM » |
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It is interesting that the little meter includes the possibility of a "1 and a half" gear, etc. Any notion of what the thinking was?
Most likely symmetry to match the other gauges on the dash. |
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« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2011, 07:39:08 AM » |
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It is interesting that the little meter includes the possibility of a "1 and a half" gear, etc. Any notion of what the thinking was?
That could be so you can tell if you are in Hi or Lo on that 2spd truck rear end...1.5 = Hi, |
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« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2011, 08:38:02 AM » |
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Anything short of drilling into the Valkyrie motor case has to depend upon the gear shift lever for the input for indication. And with a little inspection it is evident that the gear shift lever is anything but a solid no play mechanical device. You can feel all the play in the shift lever set-up with your hand.
Maybe the gauge with such a large division between the indicators and the half/mark indicators have some relation to accommodate the sloppiness in the gear shift.
A gear indicator that would be composed of a led for each gear and neutral would be a better alternative in my estimation even though I really think these type things are a waste.
I am sure there is a provision (or should be) to allow to set the gauge back to base line because they will often misread the input and indicate incorrectly exactly which gear you are in, including neutral.
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« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2011, 01:18:23 PM » |
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Joop is a Dutch vrcc member, active on our local board. He posted all steps of his design & test process of his gear indicator on our board. Its function is based on measuring the rotations of the rear wheel ( with a magnet on the rear wheel) and the rpms from the OEM indicator. Design of the plate ( with the half's) is indeed intended to match the OEM indicators. Installation requires some work, but everything required comes with the kit. Joop now just finished his design of another incredibly interesting electronic gizmo for the valk : a fuel indicator for a standard, without a sensor mounted inside the tank. More info can be found here : http://www.valkyrieriders.nl/vrcc/showthread.php?tid=53And here : http://www.valkyrieriders.nl/vrcc/showthread.php?tid=180I assume that with the help of google translate you can get the idea. you can contact him if you need more info. According to my info, you can also contact mike at valkyriebling for sales and/or if you don't trust Joops english.  I do not want to go into the need for these things, that is for each rider to decide for his own. I just like his attention to detail and perfect function for new additions for our valk. Joop is a standup guy with a passion for electronics and his valkyrie. No affiliation, just moderator on the benelux board. Anthony |
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« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2011, 02:08:20 PM » |
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The V65's had a digital gear indicator consisting of the numbers 1-5 and OD for overdrive. It was handy.
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« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2011, 02:43:22 PM » |
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The V65's had a digital gear indicator consisting of the numbers 1-5 and OD for overdrive. It was handy.
That drove me crazy on my V65. I used to shout "I know, I know" at it. |
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« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2011, 05:06:38 PM » |
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The V65's had a digital gear indicator consisting of the numbers 1-5 and OD for overdrive. It was handy.
That drove me crazy on my V65. I used to shout "I know, I know" at it. There was a lot of cool technology on the V65's actually. The rectangular headlight really seemed to light up the road. The self-canceling turn signals worked most of the time. 1'st gear was a tire shredder yet OD just loped along. I think mine would have probably had a higher top speed in 5'th than OD. I'm not sure it could have pulled all the way to red-line in OD, it was a tall gear. The adjustable TRAC system in the (left?) front fork worked great. You could set it to stop most of the fork dive under even really hard braking. And, as an added benefit of the system, when you saw a giant hole in the road that you weren't going to be able to miss you could gently apply the front brake to stiffen up the suspension. And, if you hammered it from a stop sign 0 to 60 was a tire smoking, wheel-hoping, wheelie popin' 3 seconds of insanity. I don't beleive I ever hit the starter button on mine without seeing red-line a time or two and 100mph at least once. What a ball they were. Only problem I ever had with it was a broken fork brace. I made a new one out of 1/4" plate and all was good. |
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« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2011, 05:54:45 PM » |
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Joop is a Dutch vrcc member, active on our local board. He posted all steps of his design & test process of his gear indicator on our board. Its function is based on measuring the rotations of the rear wheel ( with a magnet on the rear wheel) and the rpms from the OEM indicator. Design of the plate ( with the half's) is indeed intended to match the OEM indicators. Installation requires some work, but everything required comes with the kit. Joop now just finished his design of another incredibly interesting electronic gizmo for the valk : a fuel indicator for a standard, without a sensor mounted inside the tank. More info can be found here : http://www.valkyrieriders.nl/vrcc/showthread.php?tid=53And here : http://www.valkyrieriders.nl/vrcc/showthread.php?tid=180I assume that with the help of google translate you can get the idea. you can contact him if you need more info. According to my info, you can also contact mike at valkyriebling for sales and/or if you don't trust Joops english. I do not want to go into the need for these things, that is for each rider to decide for his own. I just like his attention to detail and perfect function for new additions for our valk. Joop is a standup guy with a passion for electronics and his valkyrie. No affiliation, just moderator on the benelux board. Anthony Fuel indicator for a standard/tourer would be a sweet idea indeed. Any chance you could get him to post here about it? I'm sure there'd be more than a few folks here that would be interested. |
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« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2011, 03:54:40 AM » |
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HI,  I'm buying the gear indicator, which as noted, work by means of magnetic sensors othe wheel and drive shaft. The unit compares these with known vehicle ratios to work out the gear. There is also a switch on the clutch lever and a connection to the neutral light I think. The Fuel gauge works by measuring pressure via a gadget in the fuel line uner the tank. In other words, its a bit like an electronic barometer....the more pressure the higher the reading. Joop uses a Motosens Gauge housing.... Seems like a nice bloke and the instructions are brilliant (no there's a thing...).  HH |
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« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2011, 04:15:53 AM » |
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I think mine would have probably had a higher top speed in 5'th than OD. I'm not sure it could have pulled all the way to red-line in OD, it was a tall gear. The adjustable TRAC system in the (left?) front fork worked great.
And, if you hammered it from a stop sign 0 to 60 was a tire smoking, wheel-hoping, wheelie popin' 3 seconds of insanity. I don't beleive I ever hit the starter button on mine without seeing red-line a time or two and 100mph at least once. What a ball they were.
Only problem I ever had with it was a broken fork brace. I made a new one out of 1/4" plate and all was good.
Yeah, the V65 certainly brought out my inner hooligan as well, that's the main reason I sold it. I think they were capable of about 175 if redlined in OD but that would have required quite a steep gradient, 145 was my max. My particular one was in need of constant spannering, the transition to a Valk from a V65 is not as extreme as it may seem, I'm glad I made it. Our Dutch friend is extremely clever, but I find that the trip odometer is as effective a fuel gauge as I need. Regarding the gear sensor, would it be confused by a non standard diameter rear tyre? On the subject of additional rider info, are those temperature dipsticks accurate/worth it? HH, I have removed the standard exhaust system from my 97, it is in excellent condition, I'll send you some pictures if you like. |
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« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2011, 06:38:49 AM » |
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Yes please TMPF, I'd like to see the pics of the exhaust - I think you have my e mail..? Regarding the sensor being confused by a larger back tyre, I don;t think this would make any difference as the sensor is on the wheel itself and the objective is to measure rotations rather than distance travelled... Anyway, we shall see how it pans out- I've got one on order. Dave. |
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« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2011, 10:15:15 AM » |
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Fuel Gauge for the Valkyrie standard.
Greetings from the Netherlands Joop..... |
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« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2011, 11:05:51 AM » |
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Hey joop, do you know if this is available on this side of the pond?
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« Reply #21 on: November 23, 2011, 11:34:28 AM » |
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Let me see if I understand this; one down and four up; hummm, I got it now.
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« Reply #22 on: November 23, 2011, 11:53:25 AM » |
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There is a whole mess of better looking gear indicators on the market that won't render your tach useless.
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« Reply #23 on: November 23, 2011, 01:07:23 PM » |
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There is a whole mess of better looking gear indicators on the market that won't render your tach useless.
Sure is, but if I were that concerned with which gear I'm in I'd make a couple changes that are used in the Gold Wing version of our engine. You have to pull the front covers off the engine, replace a little "dog" in there that has a wiring pigtail attached to it, then buy an aftermarket gear indicator for the GL1500 Wing. It plugs right in to the harness coming off the part you replaced and gives you and LED readout. That is "if I were that concerned"....which I'm not, the changeover is possible but an involved PITA. I don't worry about which gear I'm in, I listen to the engine and it tells me what gear I need to be in, don't even look at the tach. |
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« Reply #24 on: November 23, 2011, 03:21:08 PM » |
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The V65's had a digital gear indicator consisting of the numbers 1-5 and OD for overdrive. It was handy.
I rode a v65 sabre before the valkyrie, and i was kind of surprised how often i did use it on that bike. My biggest gear issue with the valk is just looking for overdrive quite often. |
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« Reply #25 on: November 23, 2011, 03:24:01 PM » |
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The V65's had a digital gear indicator consisting of the numbers 1-5 and OD for overdrive. It was handy.
I rode a v65 sabre before the valkyrie, and i was kind of surprised how often i did use it on that bike. My biggest gear issue with the valk is just looking for overdrive quite often. But you'd do it anyway because the bike needs a cursed sixth gear! |
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« Reply #26 on: November 23, 2011, 03:43:19 PM » |
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Ain't that the truth, sure would help with the fuel milage at highway speed. Hoser
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« Reply #27 on: November 23, 2011, 09:14:00 PM » |
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If I'm unsure I just toe up on the shifter. If it moves easily, I'm in 5th, if not I have at least one more gear available. Same with down to be sure I'm in first at a stop.
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« Reply #28 on: November 24, 2011, 01:55:17 AM » |
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Gear indicator arrived from Joop the other day... unfortunately SheWhoMUstBeObeyed has taken it and wrapped it for Christmas  . However the quality of the instructions is great and the service from Joop is brilliant. He's an engineer and Valk rider so does these as a sort of hobby. I'll post pics and review when I get it installed. If anyone is interested contact Joop (details in this thread). He speaks good English and will send the things anywhere in the world. From my experience I'd say he's a clever bloke, professional in attitude and trustworthy. At present the fuel gauges are 'in development'. He's designed tham and now three guys are riding around checking they work. If all OK a limited number will be available in the new year. Can't wait. |
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« Reply #29 on: November 26, 2011, 07:32:23 AM » |
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I m always shifying to 6th and sometimes it works! |
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Gear indicator arrived from Joop the other day... unfortunately SheWhoMUstBeObeyed has taken it and wrapped it for Christmas . However the quality of the instructions is great and the service from Joop is brilliant. He's an engineer and Valk rider so does these as a sort of hobby. I'll post pics and review when I get it installed. If anyone is interested contact Joop (details in this thread). He speaks good English and will send the things anywhere in the world. From my experience I'd say he's a clever bloke, professional in attitude and trustworthy. At present the fuel gauges are 'in development'. He's designed tham and now three guys are riding around checking they work. If all OK a limited number will be available in the new year. Can't wait. Make sure you report back on what it was like to install, how well it works, and if you like it. |
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« Reply #31 on: November 28, 2011, 12:44:26 AM » |
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Sure will chiefy. The instructions are the clearest and best I've ever read. Quite impressive considering Joop is not a native English speaker. I'm looking forward to it. I'll take photos. You can't have too many Gauges..! (Flame retardent suit on). HH |
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« Reply #32 on: November 28, 2011, 09:50:47 AM » |
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Hello Valkyrie riders. I have been making this gear indicators. But i made only 20 of them. There are only 2 left and those have been ordered. Sorry if i have to disappoint people but i wont be making new one's. They take to mutch time to make. About one day for just one. Maybe there will be a new version by the end of next year. It should then work with an instument from Motosense http://www.motosens.de/english/idea.htmGreetings from the Netherlands, Joop... |
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« Reply #33 on: November 28, 2011, 10:06:08 PM » |
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Please keep us updated on any new developments regarding a new version gear indicator.
Also, I'd love to know more about that fuel guage for the standards and tourers. You got a link to order one?
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« Reply #34 on: November 29, 2011, 02:46:07 AM » |
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Joop can obviously speak for himself, but I was chatting with him a few days ago and the fuel gauges are not ready yet. He's a very thorough bloke and has three out in real world testing on Valks driving around Europe. Only when he's satisfied that it works properly will it be sold... Its entirely external to the tank measuring pressure in the pipes (like a barometer I reckon) so no drilling of tank or dropping in of float sensor required...  I shall be getting one when they are available. HH |
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