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« Reply #40 on: November 11, 2011, 06:55:08 PM » |
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« Reply #41 on: November 11, 2011, 11:45:23 PM » |
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OK, this has been going on long enough for me to put my 2 cents in... partially rant, and partially an offer to go look and see for yourself with a little bit of a thought process so you can SEE the "evidence" of my point here...
Engineers may or may not know best... lots of math and physics go into tire study. However, is the best/safest tire always put on motorcycles from the manufacturer???
The answer is a big fat NO!!!
The bean counters and market researchers OFTEN decide against their engineer's logic, either to save money, or to generate more sales. I'm an Electrical Engineer... different world from tires, but same thought process... my recommendations often get bypassed simply because doing it RIGHT would cost twice as much.
Now... all this talk means nothing without some proof of concept and/or study, right??? Well I invite anyone to do their own study on this. It's simple and you'll actually ENJOY doing this study.
Go to your local Honda dealership. Look at the tires on their "Chopper" bike... the Fury... particularly the rear tire. Then, explain to me how that tire offers the absolute best performance. In fact, look at the entire design of the bike... how does that particular design provide the absolute best performance?
Now, look at ALL the rest of the bikes there. If safety was design aspect # 1, would there even BE more than one type of bike in the shop??? If safety was design aspect # 1, wouldn't EVERY bike have ABS, traction control electronics, a perfectly balanced frame, exact same fork angle/trail, same engine, riding position, etc. etc. etc. etc.... (Along with all paint jobs being NEON yellow...)
Just a quick glance at the sport bike section proves that safety is not design aspect # 1... 180+ MPH machine straight off the showroom floor??? Really?? Safety first???
The tires chosen for ANY bike has just as much to do with aesthetics, cost, market demand, and manufacturer-to-manufacturer relationships as they have to do with the tire engineer's recommendations.
So, just because Honda decided to put tire "X" on my bike doesn't mean it is the BEST tire ever made for that bike. Honda is in the business of making money... not being Mommy. If it's legal, and their lawyers say they won't get sued, they are going to go about it in a way that makes them the most money... tires be cursed.
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BigAl
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« Reply #42 on: November 12, 2011, 07:29:15 AM » |
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Thanks Roadkill at least you get it.
I am full of stuffing.
But it is very fun messing with the car tire guys.
Because there is no way to resolve this subject.
Because Just like a Seinfeld Episode it is about nothing.
About Nothing.
Sometimes you got to run a commercial twice to get anyone to pay attention.
Love Everybody is my motto, but we will never all agree on any one thing.
That's democracy in action.
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Cruzen
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« Reply #43 on: November 12, 2011, 01:20:40 PM » |
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What will end CT on motorcycles is when some cop is writing up an accident report and accidentally notices that the bike had a car tire on it. No matter who is at fault. Some lawyers will get involved and the same thing will happen like all those guys putting the undersized tires on their low rider cars. Laws will be passed prohibiting it. Tire manufactures will say they never supported the trend. Someone who had an accident with a CT on their bike will not get their medicals paid because of it. They roll their wheel chair on stage for the Jerry Springer show and their family members will cry a lot because they just sold their home to pay the legal fees. Dealers caught mounting the tires will be shut down and it will end. Except for the Jerry Springer show, that is what happened here in Phoenix after three accidents with low riders with undersized tires mounted on wide wire rims. Six tire/wheel dealers of questionable repute were shut down and Discount tire posted notices saying it would not mount tires in such a manner.
Oh by the way, I mentioned in a previous post that a friend of mine who participates in the 10,000 mile in 10 day Iron Butt Ride, mounted a CT on his Yamaha FJR. We saw him this morning and he said though the tire has been balanced twice it shakes so bad at speed that he is now limited to 135mph and slow speed around town cornering leaves a bit to be desired. I do not know what his speed was with a regular motorcycle tire.
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The trip is short,
enjoy the ride,
Denny
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« Reply #44 on: November 12, 2011, 02:29:05 PM » |
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That's a 954RR, I had one. BRILLIANT machine. The owner should be strung up by his testicles for doing that. Supid, stupid, stupid.
This is why I don't get on this board anymore it's people like you that like to post bs comments... I'm tired of some of these folks on here it's the same damn people stirring $hit up on here all the time... It has got to change or we are going to continue to lose the good members due to the most recent joiners allowing to run free... Enough is enough... Joe. |
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« Reply #45 on: November 12, 2011, 05:27:28 PM » |
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Saw a Busa with 2 DS's while we were at Biketoberfest. Tons of pics taken of it. Some folks have way too much spare time and money.These must have been 24 to 26" tall. Chrome   Oh man, with the total contact area of those two tires it must be crazy fast off the line! I would owe the guy a few bucks for seat cleaning. |
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« Reply #46 on: November 13, 2011, 06:50:24 AM » |
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Saw a Busa with 2 DS's while we were at Biketoberfest. Tons of pics taken of it. Some folks have way too much spare time and money.These must have been 24 to 26" tall. Chrome Oh man, with the total contact area of those two tires it must be crazy fast off the line! I would owe the guy a few bucks for seat cleaning. How would that thing corner? It looks to narrow to keep all three wheels on the ground in a corner. |
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« Reply #47 on: November 13, 2011, 03:47:19 PM » |
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Saw a Busa with 2 DS's while we were at Biketoberfest. Tons of pics taken of it. Some folks have way too much spare time and money.These must have been 24 to 26" tall. Chrome Oh man, with the total contact area of those two tires it must be crazy fast off the line! I would owe the guy a few bucks for seat cleaning. How would that thing corner? It looks to narrow to keep all three wheels on the ground in a corner. I think it would corner like some of the old choppers did. As in, "it looks cool but you almost have to get off and push it around a corner". |
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