On the Discovery Channel 10 PM tonight: Muslims in America

[Paxton]

Jim;
Don't let yourself be bothered by "God given rights." Just play along. 

[Chrisj CMA]

frustrating as it can be this thread has gotten some to ponder.  When we stop questioning and stop considering we stop living.  Well consider this.....Theres never been more people (happening as you read this) die for any cause than faith in Jesus Christ alone.  Think about that.  Its free yet so many wont have it......while some arent allowed but believe anyway and die for that belief. 

Its your choice

[BF]

I think this guy pretty much nails it........

Extended Interview with Michael Scheuer	powered by Aeva

[Jess from VA]

Something that has bothered me for years: "God given rights". What are they and how do we know they came from God?
Jim

Our founding fathers struggled mightily to make our country a republic with individual, personal rights and liberties.  God given rights have also been referred to as natural rights.  I think they tried to give us our God given/natural rights in the Bill of Rights in the Constitution (1st to 8th (or 10th) Amendments).  Whether or not they actually come from God I don't know, but I think He would generally approve of them.  The Bible talks more about rules of good living, than the rights of man.

Theoretically, God given/natural rights should not have to be codified in a Constitution, but it is good that they are. 

[Jess from VA]

I know a lot of Muslims and most are great hard working people with respectful kids.  The ones I have a problem with are the ones that do not see Canada as their home, only the place that the currently live.  I say that if you do not want to integrate into our nation then stay the he!! HOME.  We don't need anyone here that will not take Canada into their hearts and see it as home.  If you can leave the crap back where you left from then you are welcome, if not then the door is closed.

By the way, that goes for anyone out there.

This really hits the nail on the head.  Look at what is happening in England and other European countries.  The trouble is immigration is allowed without regard to the individual's willingness to become a true Citizen of the host country.  Sure you have to take an oath, which is an easy lie to many.  Including two tours in the Middle East, I have known hundreds of Muslim people to be good, honest, humble, moral individuals.  But you cannot allow unrestricted/unvetted immigration of people predisposed to change YOUR country's way of life.   I don't care how un-PC it may be, the testing and vetting should be harder than filling out forms.



 

[tmfp]

I live in England and, sure, the changing nature of our world, e.g. global capitalism, easier travel, wage differentials have all combined to increase immigration (and emigration) and the potential integration problems that come with it.
I buy my fish and chips from Sikhs, my grandson's best friend is called Ali and I can have my nails done at a Vietnamese bar if I want. The VAST majority of people get along ok together, but there are People Who Are Right in every walk of life. The mainstream media throws petrol on the flames of these crazies' antics and then other crazies react and all of a sudden you have a Situation. Best way to put out a fire is to cut off the oxygen supply.
Global Muslim Plot to take over the world? Ever since the Jews invented the idea of One God, making other worship idolatrous, Christianity hasn't seen any problem with converting or confronting non believers worldwide.
No offence intended to anyone, just thoughts from an old man who has travelled the world and made friends (and a few enemies) of all creeds and colours.
 

[Chattanooga Mark]

Wow! The Jews invented the idea of one God. Really??  You self described yourself as an old man who traveled the world but some your statements are really uninformed. Having an opinion is fine but shouldn't you first do some research on the matter? Study and learn the origins of thngs. Hopfully you'll come to the Truth. I'd pray for you but from your posts it would offend you.

All the best to you,

Mark

[DarkMeister]

Picked up some tid-bits on that in article today (no further research done, but it's interesting).

--According the Huston Smith’s book The World’s Religions (p. 222), it states: "Allah is formed by joining the definite article al meaning ‘the’ with Ilah (God). Literally, Allah means ‘The God.’ … When the masculine plural ending I'm is dropped from the Hebrew word for God, Elohim, the two words sound much alike." Eloah (Hebrew feminine) is similar to Ilah (God). Both Elohim and Allah are titles and not names...... Encyclopedia Britannica Micropedia (Vol. 1; p. 250) states the following about Allah. "Etymologically, Allah is probably a contraction of the Arabic al-ilahh, "the God," although the Aramaic Alaha has also been proposed. The origin of the name can be traced to the earliest Semitic writings in which the word for god was Il or El, the latter bring in the Old Testament synonym for Yahweh. Know to Arabs even in pre-Islamic times, Allah is standard Arabic for God And is used by Arab Christians as well as Muslims."

--Does he realize that the "Allah" and "Jehovah" are the same God - the God of Abraham? Does he realize that the Quran mentions Jesus, along with the prophets Moses, David, Elijah and others? Does he realize that the Quran mentions the Virgin Mary more than the Bible does, and Muslims consider the virgin birth of Jesus to be one of God's greatest miracles? Does he realize that if "Allah" and "Jehovah" are two separate entities, the fact that their stories are the same must indicate one of history's most incredible coincidences?
 
 

[Chrisj CMA]

Picked up some tid-bits on that in article today (no further research done, but it's interesting).

--According the Huston Smith’s book The World’s Religions (p. 222), it states: "Allah is formed by joining the definite article al meaning ‘the’ with Ilah (God). Literally, Allah means ‘The God.’ … When the masculine plural ending I'm is dropped from the Hebrew word for God, Elohim, the two words sound much alike." Eloah (Hebrew feminine) is similar to Ilah (God). Both Elohim and Allah are titles and not names...... Encyclopedia Britannica Micropedia (Vol. 1; p. 250) states the following about Allah. "Etymologically, Allah is probably a contraction of the Arabic al-ilahh, "the God," although the Aramaic Alaha has also been proposed. The origin of the name can be traced to the earliest Semitic writings in which the word for god was Il or El, the latter bring in the Old Testament synonym for Yahweh. Know to Arabs even in pre-Islamic times, Allah is standard Arabic for God And is used by Arab Christians as well as Muslims."

--Does he realize that the "Allah" and "Jehovah" are the same God - the God of Abraham? Does he realize that the Quran mentions Jesus, along with the prophets Moses, David, Elijah and others? Does he realize that the Quran mentions the Virgin Mary more than the Bible does, and Muslims consider the virgin birth of Jesus to be one of God's greatest miracles? Does he realize that if "Allah" and "Jehovah" are two separate entities, the fact that their stories are the same must indicate one of history's most incredible coincidences?
 
 

The discussion about the origin of the names for God and the fact that Allah and the God Christians call Father have the same roots is really beside the point.  Islam and the teaching of the Koran are NOT IN ANY WAY the same as what the Bible teaches, in fact if (under shria law) if a person converts from Islam to Christianity they are supposed to be killed.  

My point is, Im not here to debate religion.  I dont hold any religion in very high regard.  Christianity and Islam are not religions, they are ones whole life.  A relationship with ones God.  Its not the God I have a problem with its the behavior of the people and the doctrine of the religion or lifestyle.  Theres nothing the same or in any way compatible with Christianity and Islam.

America was not founded on anything to do with Islam at all.  Shraria law has no place in our courts and Muslims have no right to violate US law (while here legally or not) just because they dont agree with it or sharia law says otherwise.  

But we will continue to bow down to it, make allowances, let their foot in the door until we will see sharia courts here in America and more and more muslim intrusion in America as they have done in Europe.......its a stated goal

I hope America wakes up before its too late

[tmfp]

Wow! The Jews invented the idea of one God. Really??  You self described yourself as an old man who traveled the world but some your statements are really uninformed. Having an opinion is fine but shouldn't you first do some research on the matter? Study and learn the origins of thngs. Hopfully you'll come to the Truth. I'd pray for you but from your posts it would offend you.

All the best to you,

Mark

I didn't realise that the origins of monotheism were controversial, maybe it's my secular European education. I have indeed studied the origins of things, but have the feeling that the source material and my conclusions may be different from yours.
Please pray for me if you think it appropriate, why should it offend me?

All the best to you

Rod

I am on this forum because I enjoy owning and riding Valkyries, from Honda of Japan, a country whose main religion is polytheistic Shinto and where all foreigners are stigmatized as 'gaijin'. I will restrict my posts to this excellent motorcycle in future.

[bscrive]

There is an old saying "You get the government you deserve and you deserve the government you get". 
If the people are going to sit back and let this happen then they are the only ones to blame.  If Sharia law comes into effect then, who is to blame...the people.  Don't blame the Muslims, they are doing what they are supposed to.  It is up to the majority of the people to reject the idea. 
The problem is that we North Americans would rather have fun then be concerned with politics and world issues.  Chris is right.  People have to wake up and take notice or else we will find out that some nasty things snuck in when we were not looking.  I still believe that most Muslims want what most North Americans want but it is the radical side we have to watch out for.

Brian

[B-Taz]

I don't post on here much but read pretty often.  I just wanted to weigh-in on the people who say to ban all religions blaming them for the wars of the world.  Although I respect your opinion I offer one of my own.

I think it is the biggest misconception with Christianity to label it as a religion and draw parallels to other religions of the world especially Islam.  Each is different with vastly different doctrine, and ultimately... goals.

It is a well understood misconception because I had it as well when I was an idealisitc teen and 20-some year old (only 29 now).  I was tired of these bible thumpers pushing their beliefs on me.  It turned me away from religion.  Since then I have found the truth about being a Christian when I found my church home that I missed growing up in a Catholic church .

The goal of Christianity is to share the news given in the New Testament and ultimately convert non-believers to Christians.  Not for world domination or to have a world of pure Christianity (as someone referenced the Revelation "Post Apocalyptic" view.)  This is simply because we believe that Christ is the only way to salvation.  We hear people say, well, I'm a good person, I'm going to heaven.  Have you read the bible?  Holy Crap!  It is impossible for you to do it on your own.  That's why many Christians are very passionate about trying to turn you toward Jesus.

The Bible instructs us to live in a way that brings honor to Jesus and the Father.  Not because living that way is the way to get into heaven.  But we are to live as examples to others.  People should see us as people who seem to have it figured out and live a "Christ-Centered life" in an honorable way (As much as we can, NO ONE is perfect)  and when people ask us for advice we are able to share what we know.  This sounds EASY but its not.  It took me a few years of going to church and reading the word before I started to get it and I am young in my faith)  Most of my friends are non-Christian and I wouldn't dare try to push beliefs on anyone of them or any of you.  But when you reach a point in your life when you have no answers or when your eyes are opened to God, or your just curious, a Christian in your life should be there to say,"Hey, try this out.  Look what was done for you."  If you are ready for it great, if not, maybe the opportunity will arise for you later in life.  It's never too late.  And it's a choice you shouldn't be forced.

If you have had a Christian in your life push their beliefs on you or try to push the Bible down your throat I am truly sorry.  Just know they are well intentioned, they just have it a bit wrong.  This is what makes Christianity different from other beliefs.  You won't ever have an AK-47 pointed at you or be given the choice of Christianity or death.  EVER!  (well, I guess until the J-man comes back    good thing he is being patient and I doubt he'll be packing an AK)  Although there will always be some similarities, it is the differences that make the difference!  Please don't put ALL religions into one box and call it religion. 

On a side note, I am glad to be part of such a diverse club that actually has ideas about the world and an intelligent conversation can be had.  Good stuff

Peace
~Taz

[Paxton]

I believe in Jesus. He was definitely a nice person. I am sorry that the Italians murdered him... or was it a Muslin conspiracy.
As for heaven... it sounds pretty boring to me... just sayin...