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« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2012, 03:14:29 PM » |
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Just be careful with information from The Examiner. They've been known to be somewhat less than accurate with figures in matters concerning... well, pretty much anything.
Though this wouldn't surprise me.
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Boxer rebellion, the Holy Child. They all pay their rent.
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In August the water is trickling, in April it's furious deep.
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« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2012, 03:14:53 PM » |
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I worked several floors below EX-IM bank in DC for many years (not to be confused with the World Bank). Following their proxy to help foreign countries and companies buy US goods and services, they have done some good for the US economy. But they are often strongly influenced by US politicians, and they have done some very bone headed deals as well. This seems like a case in point.
If GREEN can't make it on it's own (without scarce taxpayer resources), let GREEN fail. (before the loans, not after)
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« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2012, 04:38:22 PM » |
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the Cinncinati Zoo installs $11 million solar panel project, it'll pay for itself in 78 years  what a shock, solar panels don't last forever  I moved to florida wondering why more people don't have solar panels, well I don't wonder anymore  http://paulmetheney.com/cincizoo |
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« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2012, 04:49:47 PM » |
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I worked several floors below EX-IM bank in DC for many years (not to be confused with the World Bank). Following their proxy to help foreign countries and companies buy US goods and services, they have done some good for the US economy. But they are often strongly influenced by US politicians, and they have done some very bone headed deals as well. This seems like a case in point.
If GREEN can't make it on it's own (without scarce taxpayer resources), let GREEN fail. (before the loans, not after)
Normally I agree, but this is a little different. The playing field is anything but level and the competition is so deeply entrenched and willing to do anything to protect their market that without any kind of assistance it's an NFL team Vs. a High School team. I have less of a problem withe the government subsidizing alternative energy than I do the way they've gone about it and the choices that have been made. Too much inside dealing and cronyism rather than due diligence and backing the appropriate technologies. They countered a tilted playing field by trying to make their own rules. |
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Boxer rebellion, the Holy Child. They all pay their rent.
But none together can testify to the rhythm of a road well bent.
Saddles and zip codes, passports and gates, the Jones' keep.
In August the water is trickling, in April it's furious deep.
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« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2012, 02:07:25 PM » |
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« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2012, 02:48:47 PM » |
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Not a new story the feds pay the farmers to not farm, corn farmers to produce corn for ethanol
that would nt make a profit if it weren't for the subsidies.
On the latter to foster renewables.
It is the same old stroy of politics getting inthe way of real progress.
Let the markets work and it will work out.
Don't and we all pay the price literally.
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« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2012, 03:38:54 PM » |
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Not a new story the feds pay the farmers to not farm, .....
Al: I keep hearing this as fact. However, it has not been true for a couple decades. It used to be true, but not for a long time. I am a farmer. MP |
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« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2012, 04:00:08 PM » |
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Not a new story the feds pay the farmers to not farm, .....
Al: I keep hearing this as fact. However, it has not been true for a couple decades. It used to be true, but not for a long time. I am a farmer. MP Backing up MP, Two of my brother in laws, big time Kansas Farmers, were so happy when they did away with the pay not to farm, known as "Soil Bank" around these parts, were losing money by not farming the land in Soil Bank, a required program by the feds. They got paid a pittance of what they could earn by farming the ground. It was along time ago, they were young struggling farmers then, have big operations now, not so young, doing well when the weather cooperates. Hoser  |
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« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2012, 02:55:14 PM » |
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« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2012, 03:42:57 PM » |
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Seems legit... I mean, what's the worst that could happen? |
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« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2012, 01:12:32 AM » |
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« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2012, 07:38:42 AM » |
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Not a new story the feds pay the farmers to not farm, .....
Al: I keep hearing this as fact. However, it has not been true for a couple decades. It used to be true, but not for a long time. I am a farmer. MP Not a new story the feds pay the farmers to not farm, .....
Al: I keep hearing this as fact. However, it has not been true for a couple decades. It used to be true, but not for a long time. I am a farmer. MP I have kin near Ellendale, they darn sure do get paid not to farm! |
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« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2012, 04:27:03 PM » |
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Seems legit... I mean, what's the worst that could happen? Zero should go there for a parade in Cairo, in an open limousine. |
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« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2012, 01:24:59 PM » |
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Not a new story the feds pay the farmers to not farm, .....
Al: I keep hearing this as fact. However, it has not been true for a couple decades. It used to be true, but not for a long time. I am a farmer. MP MP, that quote is from the North Dakota USDA CRP (Conservation Reserve Program) page. If you can't get paid to not farm I'd suspect you just don't have any "highly erodible" land. |
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« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2012, 01:30:16 PM » |
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Not a new story the feds pay the farmers to not farm, .....
Al: I keep hearing this as fact. However, it has not been true for a couple decades. It used to be true, but not for a long time. I am a farmer. MP MP, that quote is from the North Dakota USDA CRP (Conservation Reserve Program) page. If you can't get paid to not farm I'd suspect you just don't have any "highly erodible" land. Funny thing about NoDak... http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/31/opinion/pragmatism-on-the-prairie.html |
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Boxer rebellion, the Holy Child. They all pay their rent.
But none together can testify to the rhythm of a road well bent.
Saddles and zip codes, passports and gates, the Jones' keep.
In August the water is trickling, in April it's furious deep.
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« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2012, 03:19:16 AM » |
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Not a new story the feds pay the farmers to not farm, .....
Al: I keep hearing this as fact. However, it has not been true for a couple decades. It used to be true, but not for a long time. I am a farmer. MP MP, that quote is from the North Dakota USDA CRP (Conservation Reserve Program) page. If you can't get paid to not farm I'd suspect you just don't have any "highly erodible" land. Apples and oranges. "paid to not farm" refers to a different program, years ago, where you got paid to idle acres for one year, to be eligible for crop support prices. The CRP program is different. You are paid to enter land into at least a 10 year lease with the USA. You have to pay for seeding cover grasses, take care of noxious weeds, etc. In essence, you rent the land to the govt. The farm programs are VERY complicated. Many ideas over many decades. My personal preference would be for them to get out completely. But, food is such an important thing, we all like to eat!, that ALL politicians have to get their fingers in the pot. MP |
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« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2012, 02:08:53 PM » |
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« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2012, 03:35:23 PM » |
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Narratives "beyond belief" generally are.  "Believe those who seek the truth, doubt those who find it."
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« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2012, 05:00:04 PM » |
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Narratives "beyond belief" generally are. "Believe those who seek the truth, doubt those who find it."
André Gide
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« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2012, 06:17:37 PM » |
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Narratives "beyond belief" generally are. "Believe those who seek the truth, doubt those who find it."
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