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It's because of FOX, of course.
FOX tells them, 24/7, that he's a Muslim.
These are the Pres' own words. He's says they believe it because that's all they hear
In my own words, I encourage anyone to find just one clip where anyone on FOX stated that Obama was a Muslim. Also in my own words,......I believe he is blaming FOX of his own method of operation. Throw enough BS out there, say it over and over again, and fool the public. Remember how many time we heard the word crisis until he spent trillions to take care of those crisis that he couldn't let go to waste?
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you took the words right out of my mouth.
i was going to say; "i can think of 10 trillion reasons why he's a lousy president"
being a terrorist muslim isn't one of 'em. as for those that vote for him ONLY because of his color, well, they're racist. thinking that "they're" a special bread, or that because he's "one of us".
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"Presient" Obama blames FOX News because its easy for him.....if he couldnt blame FOX, hed find someone else....he has to blame and knock down somone, No one in his administration or on the Obama "wagon" is ever responsible for anything
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It's because of FOX, of course.
FOX tells them, 24/7, that he's a Muslim.
These are the Pres' own words. He's says they believe it because that's all they hear
In my own words, I encourage anyone to find just one clip where anyone on FOX stated that Obama was a Muslim. Also in my own words,......I believe he is blaming FOX of his own method of operation. Throw enough BS out there, say it over and over again, and fool the public. Remember how many time we heard the word crisis until he spent trillions to take care of those crisis that he couldn't let go to waste?
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Remember how many time we heard the word crisis until he spent trillions to take care of those crisis that he couldn't let go to waste?
The mop-top Debbie Wasserman Schultz can't say anything on TV without uttering the word "extremist" in reference to anyone or anything to the right of center virtually everytime she gets on TV. It's getting really old Debbie......seriously. |
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if McCain had won the 2008 election, Palin would have been our vice-president. Would you have preferred that? Given those two scenarios isn't the current administration way better. Yes, I'm a little bias since Obama is from here, but at least give him credit for the exciting Superbowl and this season's mild winter. As far as Fox, the news hosts are under team orders to bad mouth Obama. What a waste of talent.
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Bad mouthing Zero is nothing more than the truth. (except maybe the Muslim part) In truth, he is probably atheist, but that has little to do with his complete failure as president.
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Bad mouthing Zero is nothing more than the truth. (except maybe the Muslim part) In truth, he is probably atheist, but that has little to do with his complete failure as president.
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Bad mouthing Zero is nothing more than the truth. (except maybe the Muslim part) In truth, he is probably atheist, but that has little to do with his complete failure as president.
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Complete failure? Specifically, what failures are you talking about?? 1. Sending the debt thru the roof, instead of reducing it. 2. Denying oil drilling permits, so less oil down the road 3. Cost of Health care bill promised to be under 1 trillion, now CBO puts at 2.5 billion next ten years, and will go higher. That is just three. |
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As far as Fox, the news hosts are under team orders to bad mouth Obama. You said it........now prove it. Post proof, please. I'll be looking for it. |
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Bad mouthing Zero is nothing more than the truth. (except maybe the Muslim part) In truth, he is probably atheist, but that has little to do with his complete failure as president.
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Complete failure? Specifically, what failures are you talking about?? 1. Sending the debt thru the roof, instead of reducing it. 2. Denying oil drilling permits, so less oil down the road 3. Cost of Health care bill promised to be under 1 trillion, now CBO puts at 2.5 billion next ten years, and will go higher. That is just three. #1 not true according to http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_deficit. For FY09, which is attributed to Bush, the deficit was $1.413T. Obama's deficits since then have been pretty stable at about $1.3T. This is largely due to a poor economy that results in historically low revenues while having higher outlays for unemployment, welfare, foodstamps, medicade, etc. #2 not true...domestic oil production is as an all-time high while our dependence on foreign oil is the lowest its been in decades. #3 also not true. The CBO actually reduced the cost of the health care bill from $1.131T to $1.082 according to this recent article http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/15/health-care-reform_n_1347327.html |
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I am amazed that that you quoted the Huffington Post, Media Matters, and Thinkprogress (the absolute leftwing trifecta) to go after anything/one on the Right. Talk about pulling stuff out of their arses from LEFT field. Actually, the articles I referenced cite independent studies by others...which is specifically why I led with the U of MD study. The huff post and mediamatters are only the messengers. And besides, do you really think any right-leaning source is going to post studies that show how distorted foxnews really is? Yeah...didn't think so. |
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if McCain had won the 2008 election, Palin would have been our vice-president. Would you have preferred that? Given those two scenarios isn't the current administration way better. Yes, I'm a little bias since Obama is from here, but at least give him credit for the exciting Superbowl and this season's mild winter. As far as Fox, the news hosts are under team orders to bad mouth Obama. What a waste of talent.
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...our dependence on foreign oil is the lowest its been in decades.Unless we're selling a bunch of cheap oil to ourselves at prices below the commodity price, we have exactly the same dependence on foreign oil as ever. I think the oil we drill flows like a drip in the bucket into the world market, which is where the "oil" we put in our gas tanks comes from... drilling plenty of oil here probably has some strategic advantage, though... [the huffington post says ] #3 also not true. And your point is  ? -Mike
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...our dependence on foreign oil is the lowest its been in decades.Unless we're selling a bunch of cheap oil to ourselves at prices below the commodity price, we have exactly the same dependence on foreign oil as ever. I think the oil we drill flows like a drip in the bucket into the world market, which is where the "oil" we put in our gas tanks comes from... drilling plenty of oil here probably has some strategic advantage, though... [the huffington post says ] #3 also not true. And your point is ? -Mike The point is that #3 is not true. When the huff post is citing the CBO's numbers, why does that make them any less valid? If they were giving opinion or offering conjectureabout what those numbers mean...or even if they were the ones who had done the calculations..., then you might have a point on the left vs right bias. But they are reporting the non-partisan CBO findings that the cost is actually less than previously estimated...which is a direct contradiction to what MP stated. That is my point. As for the dependence on foreign oil, here's a link which states " U.S. dependence on imported oil has dramatically declined since peaking in 2005" http://www.eia.gov/energy_in_brief/foreign_oil_dependence.cfm |
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Lemme make sure I'm following the logic correctly here...
Bush sucked...
This I can fully agree with...
But because Bush sucked and was destructive to our country, that makes it okay that Obama sucks more and is even more destructive to our country?
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Lemme make sure I'm following the logic correctly here...
Bush sucked...
This I can fully agree with...
But because Bush sucked and was destructive to our country, that makes it okay that Obama sucks more and is even more destructive to our country?
Two wrongs don't make a right.
No...actually, saying Obama sucks and then giving reasons for that statement that are false is what is at issue. A claim was made that Obama has been a "complete failure". And I asked on what basis was that claim founded. The reasons that were put forth were complete falsehoods that have been repeated enough by the right that folks are starting to believe them. I don't agree with everything Obama has done. But to call him a "complete failure" is a bit much. |
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« Reply #21 on: March 22, 2012, 08:40:15 AM » |
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As far as Fox, the news hosts are under team orders to bad mouth Obama. You said it........now prove it. Post proof, please. I'll be looking for it. G' morning to you, too. All you have to do is tune into Fox News and the proof is self-evident before your very eyes or nowadays the shows post transcripts as part of the record. Every freakin program either begins right off the bat with the host criticizing the Obama administration or during the course of the program the anchors will bring up a negative (economy, etc.) as Exhibit One and try to frame even impeach Obama with it as part and parcel of the script du jour 'Get Obama'. The New Orleans Saint players who were suspended are amateurs compared to the Fox hit squad. And likely they received a bonus if Obama's rating drops in the polls within the following days. I have never heard them say a decent word about Obama. The anchors would be fired on the spot if they so dared. It was so much fun watching Fox (should I capitalize that F-O-X, then, in respect for their disciples) .... before the 'nation' elected Obama president. Today, FOX is nothing but the tower of babble. Fox: "It's a sad day indeed that GM has halted all production of its Volt, the electric car, due to lack of sales." (*with tears streaming down the news anchor's cheeks) Fox: (but wait, now the punchline .... lights, action, camera) "This is the same Volt that Obama touted last year as a shinning example of the benefits of subsidizing Green Energy." (with all the obvious negative connotations) |
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As for the dependence on foreign oil, here's a link which states " U.S. dependence on imported oil has dramatically declined since peaking in 2005" http://www.eia.gov/energy_in_brief/foreign_oil_dependence.cfmI notice that foxnews likes to make links to eia.gov... Anyhow, I think eia meant "always" instead of "usually" in the particular article you linked to: I t is usually impossible to tell whether the petroleum products you use came from domestic or imported sources of oil once they are refined.I think we'll be independent of foreign oil when we drill enough to flood the world market and keep it flooded at a level where we are controlling oil's price. I'm not holding my breath  -Mike |
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today Big Oil has so much oil on it's hands that they're exporting the surplus. If they were allowed more drilling permits they'll only end up exporting even more oil. Domestic demand doesn't seem a big priority. The arabs know that once you take the oil out of the ground you'll have less future reserves and that's with them having 50 percent of the known oil reserses. America is far from that bountiful. How is it that we deploy the military to the Middle East to protect our vital interest i.e. OIL. Then back at homeland we allow Big Oil to export oil overseas with impunity, that is, if oil is so vital a commodity that it deserves sending troops to the Mid East to fight over?
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Bad mouthing Zero is nothing more than the truth. (except maybe the Muslim part) In truth, he is probably atheist, but that has little to do with his complete failure as president.
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Complete failure? Specifically, what failures are you talking about?? Lets see: bin Laden DEAD Zakowi DEAD General Motors ALIVE |
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To me, its a matter of trust. Obama has blown what little he had (in my book anyway), and what he had wasnt earned anyways so easy come easy go......zippo none, he needs gone quick fast and in a hurry. Sooner than that if possible What did he do to betray your trust...as if you had any with him to begin with? He renewed/updated an executive order that had been standing almost continually since Truman was president. And that betrayed your trust? |
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Lets see: bin Laden DEAD Zakowi DEAD General Motors ALIVE Three of Obama's great accomplishments... Now, can anyone point out which, of these, if any, does he have the right to carry out under the constitution? But Oh, I forgot, he has no respect for the constitution, so disreguard the question. Obama is a community organizer who can read well, nothing more and nothing less, who is in way over his head...Jim  |
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Bad mouthing Zero is nothing more than the truth. (except maybe the Muslim part) In truth, he is probably atheist, but that has little to do with his complete failure as president.
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Complete failure? Specifically, what failures are you talking about?? 1. Sending the debt thru the roof, instead of reducing it. 2. Denying oil drilling permits, so less oil down the road 3. Cost of Health care bill promised to be under 1 trillion, now CBO puts at 2.5 billion next ten years, and will go higher. That is just three. #1 not true according to http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_deficit. For FY09, which is attributed to Bush, the deficit was $1.413T. Obama's deficits since then have been pretty stable at about $1.3T. This is largely due to a poor economy that results in historically low revenues while having higher outlays for unemployment, welfare, foodstamps, medicade, etc. #2 not true...domestic oil production is as an all-time high while our dependence on foreign oil is the lowest its been in decades. #3 also not true. The CBO actually reduced the cost of the health care bill from $1.131T to $1.082 according to this recent article http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/15/health-care-reform_n_1347327.html#1 In 8 years Bush increased the national debt by 4.8 trillion dollars. Obama increased it by 4.4 trillion in 3 years. As a percent of GDP, debt under Bush hit a high of 74.1%. Under Obama it is 99.7. Your personal share of the debt increased by $12,000 in three years under Obama ($35,153 to $48,358). Bush was terrible but the "Blamer-In-Chief" is even worse. Excusing continued financial irresponsibility by pointing to past irresponsibility is a child's argument. They are both wrong. http://www.skymachines.com/US-National-Debt-Per-Capita-Percent-of-GDP-and-by-Presidental-Term.htm#2 Oil production on federal lands decreased by 11% from 2010-2011. http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/2012/02/23/ier-analysis-oil-and-gas-production-declines-on-federal-lands-in-fy2011/#_ednref4 Oil production in the U.S. is up despite Obama and is due to the development of fields in North Dakota and advances in drilling technology. Obama's Energy Sec. Steven Chu, told the Wall Street Journal Oil "Somehow we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe, 'Mr. Chu has called for gradually ramping up gasoline taxes over 15 years to coax consumers into buying more-efficient cars and living in neighborhoods closer to work.' Increases in energy prices is the previously admitted plan of this administration to promote its "green" agenda. But the chickens are coming home to roost in an election year and they are back tracking to save their lying asses. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122904040307499791.htmlChu now gives himself an "A" for keeping gas prices down after previously admitting it is not a goal of the Dept of Energy.
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I am a white male of voting age
Now correct me if I am wrong here but has my friend from White Plains gotten his bike on the road yet or is he still gonna be grumpy for 8 more weeks until the POWWOW ride?
No obamidiots or repbubicanoids here, but its odd that I havent got one client in this democratic bastion that wants things to continue under the present POTUS
Interesting that almost all of my clients wish Bill could run again, with all of the women offering to make sure the dry cleaning gets sent out if necessary.
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To me, its a matter of trust. Obama has blown what little he had (in my book anyway), and what he had wasnt earned anyways so easy come easy go......zippo none, he needs gone quick fast and in a hurry. Sooner than that if possible What did he do to betray your trust...as if you had any with him to begin with? He renewed/updated an executive order that had been standing almost continually since Truman was president. And that betrayed your trust? You have to understand that they're conditioned to think a certain way (mostly by Fox ) and that's not gonna change. |
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Bad mouthing Zero is nothing more than the truth. (except maybe the Muslim part) In truth, he is probably atheist, but that has little to do with his complete failure as president.
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Complete failure? Specifically, what failures are you talking about?? 1. Sending the debt thru the roof, instead of reducing it. 2. Denying oil drilling permits, so less oil down the road 3. Cost of Health care bill promised to be under 1 trillion, now CBO puts at 2.5 billion next ten years, and will go higher. That is just three. #1 not true according to http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_deficit. For FY09, which is attributed to Bush, the deficit was $1.413T. Obama's deficits since then have been pretty stable at about $1.3T. This is largely due to a poor economy that results in historically low revenues while having higher outlays for unemployment, welfare, foodstamps, medicade, etc. #2 not true...domestic oil production is as an all-time high while our dependence on foreign oil is the lowest its been in decades. #3 also not true. The CBO actually reduced the cost of the health care bill from $1.131T to $1.082 according to this recent article http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/15/health-care-reform_n_1347327.html#1 In 8 years Bush increased the national debt by 4.8 trillion dollars. Obama increased it by 4.4 trillion in 3 years. As a percent of GDP, debt under Bush hit a high of 74.1%. Under Obama it is 99.7. Your personal share of the debt increased by $12,000 in three years under Obama ($35,153 to $48,358). Bush was terrible but the "Blamer-In-Chief" is even worse. Excusing continued financial irresponsibility by pointing to past irresponsibility is a child's argument. They are both wrong. http://www.skymachines.com/US-National-Debt-Per-Capita-Percent-of-GDP-and-by-Presidental-Term.htm#2 Oil production on federal lands decreased by 11% from 2010-2011. http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/2012/02/23/ier-analysis-oil-and-gas-production-declines-on-federal-lands-in-fy2011/#_ednref4 Oil production in the U.S. is up despite Obama and is due to the development of fields in North Dakota and advances in drilling technology. Obama's Energy Sec. Steven Chu, told the Wall Street Journal Oil "Somehow we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe, 'Mr. Chu has called for gradually ramping up gasoline taxes over 15 years to coax consumers into buying more-efficient cars and living in neighborhoods closer to work.' Increases in energy prices is the previously admitted plan of this administration to promote its "green" agenda. But the chickens are coming home to roost in an election year and they are back tracking to save their lying asses. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122904040307499791.htmlChu now gives himself an "A" for keeping gas prices down after previously admitting it is not a goal of the Dept of Energy. Steven Chu says lowering gas prices not goal#3 False, March 12th the CBO projected a cost increase of $115 billion over the original projections ( for 10 years). http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/37081.html#1. Do I wish that the deficit was less? Yes, on that we agree. But the claim was that Obama had blown it up, which isn't exactly accurate. I found this from the NYTimes (not exactly a liberal paper) http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/opinion/sunday/24sun4.html?_r=2&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss that shows that Obama's policies are far less costly than Bush's. #2. You are talking about two completely unrelated topics. The fact is that oil production is up, demand is down, yet we have rising gas prices. That would indicate that the rise in prices has nothing to do with supply and demand, but rather other factors such as wall street speculation and instability in the mid-east. As for gas taxes, these haven't been raised in decades, and our failing transportation budgets (and therefore our roads and bridges) are suffering for it. They should and will need to be raised gradually over time to bring our transportation infrastructure back from the crumbling state it is quickly approaching. And finally, with regard to green energy, it is an economic fact that, even with the gas prices we pay now, they will need to be much higher to make green/alternative energy competitive. Making that economic statement doesn't necessarily mean that you want or will force prices to go up, especially in a bad economy. #3. Interesting that your link has different numbers than my link. I believe the difference is the baseline of the estimates. Yours is referencing an older projection from before or around the time it was passed, and mine references the more recent previous CBO estimate. But they are still close at just over $1Trillion. That's a far cry from the $2.5T that MP stated. And the bottom line is that the Affordable Care Act still has a net negative cost (a reduction) to the future deficit compared to doing nothing because of the offsets in other spending that were included in the bill. |
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Bad mouthing Zero is nothing more than the truth. (except maybe the Muslim part) In truth, he is probably atheist, but that has little to do with his complete failure as president.
ABO
Complete failure? Specifically, what failures are you talking about?? 1. Sending the debt thru the roof, instead of reducing it. 2. Denying oil drilling permits, so less oil down the road 3. Cost of Health care bill promised to be under 1 trillion, now CBO puts at 2.5 billion next ten years, and will go higher. That is just three. #1 not true according to http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_deficit. For FY09, which is attributed to Bush, the deficit was $1.413T. Obama's deficits since then have been pretty stable at about $1.3T. This is largely due to a poor economy that results in historically low revenues while having higher outlays for unemployment, welfare, foodstamps, medicade, etc. #2 not true...domestic oil production is as an all-time high while our dependence on foreign oil is the lowest its been in decades. #3 also not true. The CBO actually reduced the cost of the health care bill from $1.131T to $1.082 according to this recent article http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/15/health-care-reform_n_1347327.html#1 In 8 years Bush increased the national debt by 4.8 trillion dollars. Obama increased it by 4.4 trillion in 3 years. As a percent of GDP, debt under Bush hit a high of 74.1%. Under Obama it is 99.7. Your personal share of the debt increased by $12,000 in three years under Obama ($35,153 to $48,358). Bush was terrible but the "Blamer-In-Chief" is even worse. Excusing continued financial irresponsibility by pointing to past irresponsibility is a child's argument. They are both wrong. http://www.skymachines.com/US-National-Debt-Per-Capita-Percent-of-GDP-and-by-Presidental-Term.htm#2 Oil production on federal lands decreased by 11% from 2010-2011. http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/2012/02/23/ier-analysis-oil-and-gas-production-declines-on-federal-lands-in-fy2011/#_ednref4 Oil production in the U.S. is up despite Obama and is due to the development of fields in North Dakota and advances in drilling technology. Obama's Energy Sec. Steven Chu, told the Wall Street Journal Oil "Somehow we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe, 'Mr. Chu has called for gradually ramping up gasoline taxes over 15 years to coax consumers into buying more-efficient cars and living in neighborhoods closer to work.' Increases in energy prices is the previously admitted plan of this administration to promote its "green" agenda. But the chickens are coming home to roost in an election year and they are back tracking to save their lying asses. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122904040307499791.htmlChu now gives himself an "A" for keeping gas prices down after previously admitting it is not a goal of the Dept of Energy. Steven Chu says lowering gas prices not goal#3 False, March 12th the CBO projected a cost increase of $115 billion over the original projections ( for 10 years). http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/37081.html#1. Do I wish that the deficit was less? Yes, on that we agree. But the claim was that Obama had blown it up, which isn't exactly accurate. I found this from the NYTimes (not exactly a liberal paper) http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/opinion/sunday/24sun4.html?_r=2&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss that shows that Obama's policies are far less costly than Bush's. #2. You are talking about two completely unrelated topics. The fact is that oil production is up, demand is down, yet we have rising gas prices. That would indicate that the rise in prices has nothing to do with supply and demand, but rather other factors such as wall street speculation and instability in the mid-east. As for gas taxes, these haven't been raised in decades, and our failing transportation budgets (and therefore our roads and bridges) are suffering for it. They should and will need to be raised gradually over time to bring our transportation infrastructure back from the crumbling state it is quickly approaching. And finally, with regard to green energy, it is an economic fact that, even with the gas prices we pay now, they will need to be much higher to make green/alternative energy competitive. Making that economic statement doesn't necessarily mean that you want or will force prices to go up, especially in a bad economy. #3. Interesting that your link has different numbers than my link. I believe the difference is the baseline of the estimates. Yours is referencing an older projection from before or around the time it was passed, and mine references the more recent previous CBO estimate. But they are still close at just over $1Trillion. That's a far cry from the $2.5T that MP stated. And the bottom line is that the Affordable Care Act still has a net negative cost (a reduction) to the future deficit compared to doing nothing because of the offsets in other spending that were included in the bill. #1 Are you kidding? The NY Times not liberal? It is a pillar of liberal thought! And what you cited was an OPINION piece. Look at the $ figures yourself. Obama had the chance to let the Bush tax cuts expire and he caved. #2. I'm saying Obama, through his policies and ideology is unconcerned with keeping the cost of energy down and his minions have done nothing to mitigate the rise in cost. In fact CHU's stated goal was to increase cost. If you have such an individual in charge of the energy dept., what do you think will happen? Chu wants European gas prices, which translated to $7-$8 per gal and it is on its way there. Obama bears at least partial responsibility for the increase. Anticipation of supply is one of many factors in price speculation. When it rains in Brazil, soybean prices fall on the board of trade. When Obama hinders supply it effect prices. Another reason for the cost increase is the devaluation of our dollar due to our massive dept. When the Fed simply prints money it reduces its value and commodity prices increase. I never mentioned gas taxes. #3 Obama care "a net negative" for the deficit. That is delusional. You can't actually believe the gov't can provide insurance for 30 million uninsured and save money? If you do, I have a bridge to sell you. And I'll bet you a beverage of your choice, the individual mandate will be declared unconstitutional. |
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« Reply #35 on: March 22, 2012, 01:38:58 PM » |
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Trynt. Dont let them get you........They drank way too much koolaid. Nothing you say will be exempt from the rotational forces of Obama spin talk. Just let it go
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« Reply #36 on: March 22, 2012, 02:18:57 PM » |
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Trynt. Dont let them get you........They drank way too much koolaid. Nothing you say will be exempt from the rotational forces of Obama spin talk. Just let it go
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« Reply #37 on: March 22, 2012, 02:19:39 PM » |
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What happened to self-reliance, pride in one's accomplishments, and common sense? Can all these virtues be bought with a government handout which your children and grand children will have to repay long, long after you have spent it? How in Gods Name can anyone justify such actions? Has pure greed run so rampant amoung so many that nothing seems to have any value any more? Perhaps a little serious thought should be given to these matters and less finger pointing amoung us...Jim  |
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« Reply #38 on: March 22, 2012, 02:45:36 PM » |
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This is where the money is going. All the poor people don't look like the ones putting us, and your kids in debt. Being the police force for the world looks like more of a problem to me. ??? http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/budget_pie_gs.php |
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George Bush was a flippin idiot, He ran this country into the ground. President Obama is a highly intellegent man and has done everything that he can to repair the damage caused by Bush. I am voting for him again.
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