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[The Anvil]

He looks clearly Hispanic to my eyes Bob.

Funny thing is I think he actually looks alot like me...if I lost about 50-60 lbs.  We have the same haircut and goatee.  But ok...you guys win...he looks mexican.

I said Hispanic, not necessarily Mexican.

[hotglue #43]

Gracias Roberto...LOL..

[Bob E.]

He looks clearly Hispanic to my eyes Bob.

Funny thing is I think he actually looks alot like me...if I lost about 50-60 lbs.  We have the same haircut and goatee.  But ok...you guys win...he looks mexican.

I said Hispanic, not necessarily Mexican.

LOL....I apparently can't tell the difference between "hispanic" and "white", and you want me to be able to tell the discern between mexican, peruvian, panamanian, cuban, venezuelan, guatamalan, etc.???  Like the comedian, Ralphie May says..."Yeah, MEXICAN!!!" LOL!!

[Trynt]

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.  I don't even know why we are having a discussion about whether Zimmerman is white or hispanic.  What difference does it make?

Because the NY Times, CNN and Reuters, among others, used the term "white" Hispanic to describe Zimmerman in a transparent attempt to inflame passions and race bait; an effort to which you seem  oblivious.

  Technically, "white hispanic" is correct since he is half white and half hispanic, isn't he?  

  It is a fine line. Sure, some individuals on those channels...and I'd say Fox as well...are guilty of crossing that line and race-baiting some things with this story.

You're smearing Fox News when it was MSNBC which deleted the segment of audio tape where the dispatcher  inquired as to the race of Martins, leaving the impression that Zimmerman focused on race? Now that's funny!

As for the "racial injustice", you keep ingnoring my stance that I don't believe the outrage is over a (half) white guy killing a black guy.  It was over the cops blowing it off and at least appearing to not be doing their job.  If they were doing their job, then they weren't doing a good job of conveying that to the public.  The race issue came about because the police dept's motives were under scrutiny and certainly it is valid to question whether race was part of their motive.

I'm not ignoring your stance, I just disagree. If they were both white or both black you would never have heard of this case.

[G-Man]

zimmerman went out looking for a fight that night.  wanting to be the hero. 

Really??

Please explain how you came to this determination.

to me a neighborhood watch means "i'm going to WATCH for trouble".  zimmerman didn't do that.  zimmerman went after martin, stalked him, tracked every move that kid made that night.  zimmerman had the choice to NOT bring a gun, zimmerman ASSUMED that martin was up to mischief.  zimmerman went after a person that was not guilty of anything other then not being from that neighborhood.  had martin been in a group of kids, making noise, throwing bottles, disrupting the peace, then it would be a totally different story, but in this case, there's ONE kid, unarmed, probably scared 'cause he knows he's being stalked, so you have a choice, fight, or flight.  you run, you're guilty, you stand your ground, you're dead......  

i'm sorry.  if it were my son, i'd be hunting down zimmerman too.

Zimmerman didn't kill Martin.....all of the young, black, male predessessors killed Martin.  Out of 100 young black men killed, 99 are killed by other young, black men.  Who should the neighborhood watch be following or reporting?  Wait, it IS Florida.  Maybe they should be watching Ethel and Seymour Glodberg as they go for dinner at 4:00 in the afternoon. 

Nobody wants to to talk about the true issue here.  They only want to make judgements on someone they know nothing about, and about a terrible incident that they were not witness to.

As long as such a small percentage of the population continues to perpetrate the large majority of crimes and demonstrate such a lack of respect for elders and a badge, this will NEVER change.  Police will approach and deal with them differently.  They will not be able to hail cabs at night.  They will be looked at with fear.  This is the way is was in NYC (where I grew up) in the 70's.  There was a wave of street crimes, muggings in particular, committed by young black men.  People used to cross the street when they saw a black person coming.  This did get better for a while during the 80's, but it didn't last long as more and more young black men began to emulate convicts.  Their language became more vulgar and the clothing became more oversized.

But it is the rest of us who need to change, be more tolerant, not be afraid, and not be suspicious.   

[G-Man]

The one that really makes me see red is the Casey Anthony verdict. I can find no reason why she should have been acquitted.

IMHO:

She walked because the prosecutors were GREEDY.

They went for a conviction on First Degree Murder.

This meant that they HAD to prove "Intent".

They weren't able to do that and she walked.

Had they been willing to charge her with Second Dergree Murder or Manslaughter, I believe that they would have gotten a conviction.

This will come as a shock to no one here but I've made some potentially dangerous enemies.

Thanks Anvil, I needed a good LAUGH.......... 

Anthony walked for the same reason that Simpson walked, and the black panthers are not arrested, and spike lee and rosanne are still free,....because we don't "hire" the best people for the job.  We elect people based on color, last names, party lines, etc.,...... but not because they are the best at what they do.  We have amateurs running the show who are destroying us.  And it will never get better. 

[G-Man]

How about the FACT that in this country you are considered  INNOCENT until proven GUILTY !!

that's right, zimmerman should have assumed martin was innocent before he tracked him down.....  i agree with you 100%.  unless you see someone commit a crime, you should assume they're innocent.

What world do you live in?  In your world, there is no crime prevention?  That's not a world I want to live in.

[Skinhead]

This speaks for it self:

Treyvon Martin & black slaves	powered by Aeva

You never know about those Steeler fans....

[Jeff K]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-case-exclusive-photo-shows-bloodied-back/story?id=16177849#.T5FeFnp958E

GPS tags show it was three minutes after the shooting.

[alph]

This speaks for it self:

Treyvon Martin & black slaves

You never know about those Steeler fans....

that's an interesting video.  is the speaker demanding a race riot, or is he demanding race unification?  another words, does he want black people to care about black people to BETTER each other, or does he want black people to unite to destroy whitie? 

what's he "REALLY" saying?  how does he feel about the martin/zimmerman thing?

[The Anvil]

This speaks for it self:

Treyvon Martin & black slaves

You never know about those Steeler fans....

that's an interesting video.  is the speaker demanding a race riot, or is he demanding race unification?  another words, does he want black people to care about black people to BETTER each other, or does he want black people to unite to destroy whitie? 

what's he "REALLY" saying?  how does he feel about the martin/zimmerman thing?

I think he was trying to take the Bill Cosby "black people need to quit whining about whitey and take responsibility for their own behavior" angle. Get your own house sorted out and THEN complain about everything else. But unfortunately the LANGUAGE he uses clouds the message. Just like with other people who may be right in principal (COUGHTEDNUGENTCOUGH) but can't get their message across because the pressure of their anger blows out their filter core.

[PAVALKER]

This speaks for it self:

Treyvon Martin & black slaves

You never know about those Steeler fans....

that's an interesting video.  is the speaker demanding a race riot, or is he demanding race unification?  another words, does he want black people to care about black people to BETTER each other, or does he want black people to unite to destroy whitie? 

what's he "REALLY" saying?  how does he feel about the martin/zimmerman thing?

In my mind I know what he is saying to me and I understand it.... and I didn't think it had anything to do with demanding a race riot, or even race unification.  You may have to watch it a few times and decide what he is saying to you.   Furthermore, he is not saying anything specific about the Martin/Zimmerman thing, but more importantly to the overall situation and climate.

I saw that video a few times in my email, and considered posting it....

[The Anvil]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-case-exclusive-photo-shows-bloodied-back/story?id=16177849#.T5FeFnp958E

GPS tags show it was three minutes after the shooting.

Interesting but ultimately it's still of little (if any) relevance because it's really about what happened leading up to the physical altercation.

[Skinhead]

This speaks for it self:

Treyvon Martin & black slaves

You never know about those Steeler fans....

that's an interesting video.  is the speaker demanding a race riot, or is he demanding race unification?  another words, does he want black people to care about black people to BETTER each other, or does he want black people to unite to destroy whitie? 

what's he "REALLY" saying?  how does he feel about the martin/zimmerman thing?

I agree with Anvil, he is calling for an end to the race baiting and denouncing the race whores for focusing on white on black crime and totally ignoring the more prevelant black on black crime.

[Trynt]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-case-exclusive-photo-shows-bloodied-back/story?id=16177849#.T5FeFnp958E

GPS tags show it was three minutes after the shooting.

Interesting but ultimately it's still of little (if any) relevance because it's really about what happened leading up to the physical altercation.

I'm not saying this is conclusive proof of innocence but, it is relevant in that it would indicate Zimmerman was "in reasonable fear of great bodily harm" one tenant of self-defense. It belies the portrayal of Martin as a defenseless little child.

It also makes all those "expert" talking heads who, when referring to the video of Zimmerman being taken into the police custody (and his seeming lack of visible injury), insinuated Zimmerman was lying about being injured, look like asshats.

With all the attention on this case, it makes me wonder why it took so long for this image to surface? I think I'm feeling manipulated, but not in a good way  .

[BIG--T]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-case-exclusive-photo-shows-bloodied-back/story?id=16177849#.T5FeFnp958E

GPS tags show it was three minutes after the shooting.

Interesting but ultimately it's still of little (if any) relevance because it's really about what happened leading up to the physical altercation.

I'm not saying this is conclusive proof of innocence but, it is relevant in that it would indicate Zimmerman was "in reasonable fear of great bodily injury" one tenant of self-defense. It belies the portrayal of Martin as a defenseless little child.

It also makes all those "expert" talking heads who, when referring to the video of Zimmerman being taken into the police custody (and his seeming lack of visible injury), insinuated Zimmerman was lying about being injured, look like asshats.

With all the attention this case it makes me wonder why, it took so long for this image to surface? I think I'm feel manipulated, but not in a good way  .

I totally concur. Like you I also wonder why it took so long to surface. If it hadn't have been for the gash on the back of his head and the nose, he would have been booked right then. So the PD seen it as self defense. I fear public opinion plays a big part in it.

[Jeff K]

Florida's "Stand Your Ground" Law

A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity, and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

[BIG--T]

Florida's "Stand Your Ground" Law

A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity, and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

Yes we have the same law here also. But before that we had the right to defend ourselves if we felt our lives were in danger.

[Jeff K]

Before the stand your ground law Floridians were required to attempt to flee the danger.

Odd thing is everyone is making this sound like it's something new here. I saw someone posting on FB about how she was ashamed to be from Florida since they "gave us the right to kill when we feel threatened"
This law is 12 years old here. I looked around and I don't see innocent bodies stacked up like cord wood.
In twelve years it has only been questioned one time? Pretty good law if you ask me.

[Skinhead]

Before the stand your ground law Floridians were required to attempt to flee the danger.

Odd thing is everyone is making this sound like it's something new here. I saw someone posting on FB about how she was ashamed to be from Florida since they "gave us the right to kill when we feel threatened"
This law is 12 years old here. I looked around and I don't see innocent bodies stacked up like cord wood.
In twelve years it has only been questioned one time? Pretty good law if you ask me.

+1

[Jeff K]

The honest truth here is that this had nothing to do with Stand your Ground. CCW has been the law here for a very long time. If in fact he was being beaten, as he says he was, the old Florida law covered him in using deadly force to protect his own life. If he was punched, and was being pummeled on the ground flight wasn't an option, and he could have used deadly force either way. It's the media that is making this a Stand your Ground issue.

Unless George threw the first punch, which is highly unlikely since he was packing, he should be in the clear. Following someone isn't a crime. Watching someone isn't a crime. Chasing someone isn't a crime. Verbal altercation isn't a crime. It became a crime when the first punch was thrown. Then it became assault.  Why would George punch anyone when he had the police on the way, and had a weapon? That makes no sense.

[f6gal]

The honest truth here is that this had nothing to do with Stand your Ground. CCW has been the law here for a very long time. If in fact he was being beaten, as he says he was, the old Florida law covered him in using deadly force to protect his own life. If he was punched, and was being pummeled on the ground flight wasn't an option, and he could have used deadly force either way. It's the media that is making this a Stand your Ground issue.

Unless George threw the first punch, which is highly unlikely since he was packing, he should be in the clear. Following someone isn't a crime. Watching someone isn't a crime. Chasing someone isn't a crime. Verbal altercation isn't a crime. It became a crime when the first punch was thrown. Then it became assault.  Why would George punch anyone when he had the police on the way, and had a weapon? That makes no sense.

EXACTLY!!  People keep trying to make it about the events leading up to the physical altercation... completely IRRELEVANT.  Up until the physical altercation, NO crime had been committed by either party.  

One reason I tend to believe Z's account is that if his intent was to engage Martin, he would have already done so.  Instead he was on the phone with 911, asking them to send police.  He did NOT sound like a guy looking for a fight.  In fact, he sounded a little afraid when he lost sight of Martin (after 911 had him discontinue following).

[Jess from VA]

This is my take, exactly. 

I'd still like to see all the evidence. 

The prelim in this case could be very interesting. 

[The Anvil]

EXACTLY!!  People keep trying to make it about the events leading up to the physical altercation... completely IRRELEVANT. 

Uh, noooooo, they're very relevant. Words and actions matter. What if someone (either party) verbally threatened the other? Not only does is it relevant but it's also illegal. 

Up until the physical altercation, NO crime had been committed by either party.  

You don't know that for a fact so please stop talking out of your fanny.

[Jeff K]

EXACTLY!!  People keep trying to make it about the events leading up to the physical altercation... completely IRRELEVANT. 

Uh, noooooo, they're very relevant. Words and actions matter. What if someone (either party) verbally threatened the other? Not only does is it relevant but it's also illegal. 

Up until the physical altercation, NO crime had been committed by either party.  

You don't know that for a fact so please stop talking out of your fanny.

LISTEN EVERYONE!!!

Mr. "What if"  has something irrelevant to say!!...   

[musclehead]

He looks clearly Hispanic to my eyes Bob.

Funny thing is I think he actually looks alot like me...if I lost about 50-60 lbs.  We have the same haircut and goatee.  But ok...you guys win...he looks mexican.

I said Hispanic, not necessarily Mexican.

LOL....I apparently can't tell the difference between "hispanic" and "white", and you want me to be able to tell the discern between mexican, peruvian, panamanian, cuban, venezuelan, guatamalan, etc.???  Like the comedian, Ralphie May says..."Yeah, MEXICAN!!!" LOL!!

like Carlos Mencia says, "in Florida I'm peurto Rican, in the southwest I'm mexican"

[musclehead]

The honest truth here is that this had nothing to do with Stand your Ground. CCW has been the law here for a very long time. If in fact he was being beaten, as he says he was, the old Florida law covered him in using deadly force to protect his own life. If he was punched, and was being pummeled on the ground flight wasn't an option, and he could have used deadly force either way. It's the media that is making this a Stand your Ground issue.

Unless George threw the first punch, which is highly unlikely since he was packing, he should be in the clear. Following someone isn't a crime. Watching someone isn't a crime. Chasing someone isn't a crime. Verbal altercation isn't a crime. It became a crime when the first punch was thrown. Then it became assault.  Why would George punch anyone when he had the police on the way, and had a weapon? That makes no sense.

my 'common sense ' is tingling

[BIG--T]

Before the stand your ground law Floridians were required to attempt to flee the danger.

Odd thing is everyone is making this sound like it's something new here. I saw someone posting on FB about how she was ashamed to be from Florida since they "gave us the right to kill when we feel threatened"
This law is 12 years old here. I looked around and I don't see innocent bodies stacked up like cord wood.
In twelve years it has only been questioned one time? Pretty good law if you ask me.

I agree and think it's a great law and 2 politicians are trying to get it repeal but I think they're dreaming. Before the law, sometimes you couldn't flee and forced to defend yourself.

[BIG--T]

The one that really makes me see red is the Casey Anthony verdict. I can find no reason why she should have been acquitted.

IMHO:

She walked because the prosecutors were GREEDY.

They went for a conviction on First Degree Murder.

This meant that they HAD to prove "Intent".

They weren't able to do that and she walked.

Had they been willing to charge her with Second Dergree Murder or Manslaughter, I believe that they would have gotten a conviction.

This will come as a shock to no one here but I've made some potentially dangerous enemies.

Thanks Anvil, I needed a good LAUGH.......... 

Anthony walked for the same reason that Simpson walked, and the black panthers are not arrested, and spike lee and rosanne are still free,....because we don't "hire" the best people for the job.  We elect people based on color, last names, party lines, etc.,...... but not because they are the best at what they do.  We have amateurs running the show who are destroying us.  And it will never get better. 

I agree and this political correctness and no profiling crap is killing us!

[BIG--T]

I think the bottom line is that this is all about race and the media is fanning the flames. Allowing the Black Panthers to put a bounty on a man's head and then threaten the city of Sanford if they don't get justice. Oh and I forgot about old Rev. Jessie ( the one that used to spit in Whitey's food) and also Rev. Al! 

[Skinhead]

You don't know that for a fact so please stop talking out of your fanny.

Pot calling the kettle black!  Opps! Sorry, didn't mean to bring race into this.

[The Anvil]

You don't know that for a fact so please stop talking out of your fanny.

Pot calling the kettle black!  Opps! Sorry, didn't mean to bring race into this.

Ahem, my ass is so white is glows in the dark.

And I have proposed possibilities, I never claimed anything (beyond what has been established as fact) as fact.

[fudgie]

If Z was the aggressor before the shot were fired, then he was in the wrong.

[donaldcc]

If Z was the aggressor before the shot were fired, then he was in the wrong.

 

[f6gal]

If Z was the aggressor before the shot were fired, then he was in the wrong.

As yet, there is no evidence that he was the aggressor.  Following someone and calling the police is not aggression.   

[MP]

Put it in the perspective of the wacko "church" group in KS.  I forget the name at the moment.  They are the ones that picket at the soldiers funerals.

Surely, they can be called the aggressors here.  Yet, all the Patriot Guard members are told NOT to react to them, or the Guard member will be the one charged.

You can stand toe to toe, arguing in the most vile terms with someone.  But, if all both of you do is yell, swear, call each other names, no one will be charged with anything.

However, let party A suddenly take a swing at and hit the other, and then a fight ensues, Party A will be the one charged, no matter who started the argument.

MP

[BIG--T]

Put it in the perspective of the wacko "church" group in KS.  I forget the name at the moment.  They are the ones that picket at the soldiers funerals.

Surely, they can be called the aggressors here.  Yet, all the Patriot Guard members are told NOT to react to them, or the Guard member will be the one charged.

You can stand toe to toe, arguing in the most vile terms with someone.  But, if all both of you do is yell, swear, call each other names, no one will be charged with anything.

However, let party A suddenly take a swing at and hit the other, and then a fight ensues, Party A will be the one charged, no matter who started the argument.

MP

So far it looks like Z is telling the truth with the bashed head and broke nose and Martin was the aggressor, no matter how young and innocent they made him look. I just hate someone had to lose their life and now the media has made it a race issue. Just think if it was reversed and the KKK just made their presence known, not putting a bounty on someone's head- which is against the law, the media would be crying bloody murder!! Now tell me why the double standard?

[steve 3054]

Double Standard: Black Men Named Trayvon Get Killed all the Time, But The Left Doesn't Care - YouTube

[pBrain]

My 2 17 Cents (adjusted for inflation).

• This was not a racial incident.  Although Sharpton will make you think it is.   
• Zimmerman will go free or wind up getting time served for some minor charge.  His arrest was a PR move.
• Why were Trayvon's parents living in NY while this kid is living in FL?
• Florida's "stand your ground" law will prevail here; no matter how much I think Zimemrman could have just left this kid be and went on his way.   
• When Zimmerman goes free, there will be riots.  Because what better way to get justice than to burn down your neighborhood when things don't go your way.

[The Anvil]

So far it looks like Z is telling the truth with the bashed head and broke nose and Martin was the aggressor, no matter how young and innocent they made him look.

Why's that? Why can't people get certain simple things through their heads?