Who Cares who Marries Who?

[Jabba]

Seriously... if we let the homo's file joint tax returns, and gave the the legal rights that different sex spouses are given... this all goes away, we can stop talking about it, and it will NOT erode society, cause bestiality or make our kids gay.

Gays don't USUALLY choose being gay.  Like I didn't CHOOSE to REALLY like women.  It just IS.

Homo's ARE different.  They do have a defect in MY opinion.  But it's not a choice any more than autism, diabetes, or retardation.  Let's treat them like people, and allow them to participate in society. 

Yes, I will continue to love my son if he turns out gay. 

Jabba

[hubcapsc]

Seriously... if we let the homo's file joint tax returns, and gave the the legal rights that different sex spouses are given... this all goes away, we can stop talking about it, and it will NOT erode society, cause bestiality or make our kids gay.

Gays don't USUALLY choose being gay.  Like I didn't CHOOSE to REALLY like women.  It just IS.

Homo's ARE different.  They do have a defect in MY opinion.  But it's not a choice any more than autism, diabetes, or retardation.  Let's treat them like people, and allow them to participate in society. 

Yes, I will continue to love my son if he turns out gay. 

Jabba

I don't care what other people do... time marches on, and change (including societal change) is
inevitable. I will enjoy the atmosphere on the square in Laurens this Saturday at the Confederate
Memorial Day observation, and wouldn't be there if it was a "gay pride" march, like they have
in San Francisco, and even near-by in Asheville. Who knows what freaky things they'll be doing
in Laurens in 20 years... ?

One thing is for sure, though... the homosexual agenda (there's a wiki page for that term,
they say it is pejorative) is to indoctrinate Jabba's son (and everyone's else children) with
the notion that homosexual behaviors are normal and positive. Your children won't have
to "turn gay" when, from day one, they learn at school that it is normal and positive. It will
be great for them to learn that at school if that is what you teach them at home...

-Mike

[Robert]

In the 80s the Apa decided had a meeting in San Fransisco and with gays protesting outside and threats verbal threats coming from those inside and with only a small percentage in attendance decided to take gays off the list of deviant behavior. After this decision the membership dropped dramatically and most didn't agree with the decision. After this gays have gone after the government saying now you have to include us in all planning along with marriage and adoption and you have to enact hate laws to make it a crime to ridicule us. Including Canada where if a preacher reads the passages in the Bible in church about gays he can be arrested. This has gone far enough to get gays in position of authority in the government with the sole purpose to pass the laws favorable to gays. This has gone so far as to pass laws in some states that now if you think your a woman you may go into a womans bathroom and have the full protection of the law regardless if a woman feels violated. This has been a planned attack on the value system and has been very coordinated and well financed. And this all started in San Fransisco when some psychiatrists decided to bend to gay pressure.
  You all talk about Christians and not having your beliefs influence government, well this has been one of the most influential movings of government all based on a sexual issue. So its ok to have your d### influence government but not God? Someone called earlier some ironic well this is ironic. All because a psychiatrist decided it was ok. so now whos following who? OH by the way the fact that gays have as a percentage abysmal life as studied by these same psychs is still there. The percentage of gays in the population of roughly 3 to 5 percent is still there also. If Christians would mobilize and become a radical Christian group I would love that pattern to be after the gay agenda. This to me is radical, if you dont mind changing the laws of a country based on sexual orientation based on gay rights that they dont give a dam about us, why in hell should the Christian community worry and bow down to the most ironic immoral short sighted in this country (not referring to the gays either). One last thing about marriage laws they were all enacted well before gays were declassified as deviant so no law about marriage was even considered that it would be challenged. It was taken for granted as between a man and a woman. So its the gay that are infringing on the laws of the people not the other way around. The founding fathers had morals and never would have considered anything but marriage between a man and a woman. HELLO declassified in 80s as deviant now the gays say its there right under law common give me a F******* brake.

[Jabba]

I don't think there should be any laws that specifically protect gays, or the gay agenda either. 

I simply want to ignore it altogether... let them call themselves married, and let people who don't like it protest and ridicule them. 

I am OK with homosexuality being considered "normal".  As far as deviant variations can be anyway.  It IS normal.  It's NOT majority.  But there is a certain % of the population that IS in fact queer, and always has been.  I would NOT call it POSITIVE ever.  It's not.  I'll educate my son that way.  It's not the way things are supposed to work... but the world OFTEN doesn't function as it was designed.  I am fat and diabetic despite my best efforts otherwise.  They quit making Valkyries, and THAT my friends is the GAYEST thing I can think of.

Jabba

[Clark]

I don't think there should be any laws that specifically protect gays, or the gay agenda either. 

I simply want to ignore it altogether... let them call themselves married, and let people who don't like it protest and ridicule them. 

I am OK with homosexuality being considered "normal".  As far as deviant variations can be anyway.  It IS normal.  It's NOT majority.  But there is a certain % of the population that IS in fact queer, and always has been.  I would NOT call it POSITIVE ever.  It's not.  I'll educate my son that way.  It's not the way things are supposed to work... but the world OFTEN doesn't function as it was designed.  I am fat and diabetic despite my best efforts otherwise.  They quit making Valkyries, and THAT my friends is the GAYEST thing I can think of.

Jabba

fast 4wrd 20 years.. you are babysitting your grankids.. little johnny your12 year old grandson wants to spend he night w Billy your next door neighbor.. it just so happens Billy 2 dads  Buck and Becky are homos.. Johnny and Billy have been dealing wirth a certain appendage on their bodies for awhile now and are trying to figure out what the next step is.. they have had a long hard day of playing and are now lying in the same bed which they have been doing for the past several years.. you know.. like kids do.. and "the conversation" begins.. about 10 minutes in Billy tells Johnny he has watched through the keyhole and has seen Buck thrashin on Becky's backside.. Buck and Becky and apparently Jabba think this is "totally normal"  so do you wanna try it says Billy???  is that a scenario any of you want to put YOUR grandkids in?? 

[Robert]

Today we learned what it takes congress to move on a issue DOMA it is finally going to be protected by the government again and Holder was instructed to enforce it by Congress but you dont hear much of this do you? Sorry to say it had to be a political message.

[Phil57]

Jabba I think it was the moose getting raped line or the farm animals getting married to who or what ever I seem to have lost track. I will take your advice and choose my reading more carefully. It's just that I really like moose and the thought of one getting raped well you know. The gong show thing was the silliest part of this thread right?

[Robert]

OK so we can have gay marriages and we can also give a 17 year old boy a record for the rest of his life to be classified a sexual predator because the parents found him having  relationship with their 16 year old daughter. NO thats not ironic is it

[Alien]

fast 4wrd 20 years.. you are babysitting your grankids.. little johnny your12 year old grandson wants to spend he night w Billy your next door neighbor.. it just so happens Billy 2 dads  Buck and Becky are homos.. Johnny and Billy have been dealing wirth a certain appendage on their bodies for awhile now and are trying to figure out what the next step is.. they have had a long hard day of playing and are now lying in the same bed which they have been doing for the past several years.. you know.. like kids do.. and "the conversation" begins.. about 10 minutes in Billy tells Johnny he has watched through the keyhole and has seen Buck thrashin on Becky's backside.. Buck and Becky and apparently Jabba think this is "totally normal"  so do you wanna try it says Billy???  is that a scenario any of you want to put YOUR grandkids in?? 
[/quote]

Three points:

1.  How does whether or not "Buck and Becky" are legally married  impact this scenario?

2.  This scenario is implausible because houses, for the most part, don't have keyholes anymore and because most kids wouldn't want to watch their parents getting it on anyway.

3.  You are operating under the ridiculous assumption that a person can be "turned gay" if the moral stigma is removed.   I have never thought that homosexuality was wrong, abnormal or sinful, yet I've never been tempted to "turn gay".  Men don't arouse me but neither do blondes or women with big breasts. 

Maybe you are a breast man, a leg man or a butt man.  Perhaps you really dig blondes, brunettes, redheads.  Maybe you're into white women or maybe you like Black women, Asain women or Latin women.  Can you explain your reasoning for your preferences?  Is that just the way you're wired?

Say you do, in fact have a thing for blondes.  No matter how much I tell you that redheads are where it's at...you still like blondes right?  There is nothing that I can do to "turn" you toward something which you are not attracted too.

[santa]

Can anyone tell me were the Valkyrie web site is? I was looking for information about rides and Valkyrie activities.
Santa

[Robert]

Can anyone tell me were the Valkyrie web site is? I was looking for information about rides and Valkyrie activities.
Santa

Nope sorry if you out of all the posts you ended up here directions wont do you any good 

[Chrisj CMA]

Can anyone tell me were the Valkyrie web site is? I was looking for information about rides and Valkyrie activities.
Santa

It always "kills" me   This is one post....ok so its long.......so maybe some wont like it................just dont read it..............there are plenty of other posts some are actually motorcycle related, out of 19 posts on page 1 of the general board 6 are not m/c related (this being one of them) so 13 are m/c related, at least one is about getting a ride together....have you read them?............or you could start your own, get a ride together, or just  keep reading this thread until you get even more upset.

This is still the best site for all things Valkyrie and everything else.........as long as everyone agrees with me!  

[G-Man]

True ... if you get married at City hall or a JP ... you do not have a Judeo-Christian Marriage.

You have a Marriage that is recognized by the Government ... but not the God of the Judeo-Christian faith.

And to answer perhaps the next question ...

Do Jews and Christians view their Marriage as being different from that a secular marriage ?

I disagree.  We were married by the mayor of New Rochelle on the beach at the catering hall.  I am Jewish and my wife is Christian.  We felt this was the right way to go for us, and our guests.  It was a beautiful evening out on that beach.  The skies were bluer than blue and everyone arrived safely, was healthy, and full of love.  We took pictures out there until the sun went down.  Are you sure God wasn't there that day with us? 

18 years later, we have a great kid starting at a school in the top one percent of the country, the other kid is following in those footsteps, our loves grows, our family gets bigger at every gathering, we want for nothing.  Are you sure God isn't blessing us?

Does the marriage HAVE to be in a building with a pointy roof, performed by a guy in a robe and a hat (who hasn't a clue more than you or me if there even is a God), if it's in your heart?

[G-Man]

Gay or Hetro, Dino or Synthetic oil.
What does it really matter?

If your next door neighbors were a gay couple, would it change your life? .....Seriously now!!!

I hear the gays like synthetic,....less th'crotal breakdown.   

[Clark]

WOW.. NO RESPONSE FROM SINGAPORE

[Chrisj CMA]

True ... if you get married at City hall or a JP ... you do not have a Judeo-Christian Marriage.

You have a Marriage that is recognized by the Government ... but not the God of the Judeo-Christian faith.

And to answer perhaps the next question ...

Do Jews and Christians view their Marriage as being different from that a secular marriage ?

I disagree.  We were married by the mayor of New Rochelle on the beach at the catering hall.  I am Jewish and my wife is Christian.  We felt this was the right way to go for us, and our guests.  It was a beautiful evening out on that beach.  The skies were bluer than blue and everyone arrived safely, was healthy, and full of love.  We took pictures out there until the sun went down.  Are you sure God wasn't there that day with us? 

18 years later, we have a great kid starting at a school in the top one percent of the country, the other kid is following in those footsteps, our loves grows, our family gets bigger at every gathering, we want for nothing.  Are you sure God isn't blessing us?

Does the marriage HAVE to be in a building with a pointy roof, performed by a guy in a robe and a hat (who hasn't a clue more than you or me if there even is a God), if it's in your heart?

LOL Gman...........Im sure God showed up to your wedding...........I think the point, or better stated the point should be.........people can get married legal for the benifits outside the church without Gods blessing and as far as the government is concerned they are just as married

[G-Man]

True ... if you get married at City hall or a JP ... you do not have a Judeo-Christian Marriage.

You have a Marriage that is recognized by the Government ... but not the God of the Judeo-Christian faith.

And to answer perhaps the next question ...

Do Jews and Christians view their Marriage as being different from that a secular marriage ?

I disagree.  We were married by the mayor of New Rochelle on the beach at the catering hall.  I am Jewish and my wife is Christian.  We felt this was the right way to go for us, and our guests.  It was a beautiful evening out on that beach.  The skies were bluer than blue and everyone arrived safely, was healthy, and full of love.  We took pictures out there until the sun went down.  Are you sure God wasn't there that day with us? 

18 years later, we have a great kid starting at a school in the top one percent of the country, the other kid is following in those footsteps, our loves grows, our family gets bigger at every gathering, we want for nothing.  Are you sure God isn't blessing us?

Does the marriage HAVE to be in a building with a pointy roof, performed by a guy in a robe and a hat (who hasn't a clue more than you or me if there even is a God), if it's in your heart?

LOL Gman...........Im sure God showed up to your wedding...........I think the point, or better stated the point should be.........people can get married legal for the benifits outside the church without Gods blessing and as far as the government is concerned they are just as married

I get that part.  I was just responding to the post that if you're not married in the church (or schule), then you don't have a judeo-christian marriage.  That's what I don't agree with.  I also don't agree that a good (fill in the blank) is one that goes to their respective, specific, house of worship to pray or give thanks.  You could be walking down the street or cruising on the superslab.....as long as it's in your heart, you're doing it the right way.

[fudgie]

OK so we can have gay marriages and we can also give a 17 year old boy a record for the rest of his life to be classified a sexual predator because the parents found him having  relationship with their 16 year old daughter. NO thats not ironic is it

Not up here its not. 16 is concent for sex. Plus being 17 he is still a minor so minor/minor sex is ok.

[Clark]

fast 4wrd 20 years.. you are babysitting your grankids.. little johnny your12 year old grandson wants to spend he night w Billy your next door neighbor.. it just so happens Billy 2 dads  Buck and Becky are homos.. Johnny and Billy have been dealing wirth a certain appendage on their bodies for awhile now and are trying to figure out what the next step is.. they have had a long hard day of playing and are now lying in the same bed which they have been doing for the past several years.. you know.. like kids do.. and "the conversation" begins.. about 10 minutes in Billy tells Johnny he has watched through the keyhole and has seen Buck thrashin on Becky's backside.. Buck and Becky and apparently Jabba think this is "totally normal"  so do you wanna try it says Billy???  is that a scenario any of you want to put YOUR grandkids in?? 

Three points:

1.  How does whether or not "Buck and Becky" are legally married  impact this scenario?

2.  This scenario is implausible because houses, for the most part, don't have keyholes anymore and because most kids wouldn't want to watch their parents getting it on anyway.

3.  You are operating under the ridiculous assumption that a person can be "turned gay" if the moral stigma is removed.   I have never thought that homosexuality was wrong, abnormal or sinful, yet I've never been tempted to "turn gay".  Men don't arouse me but neither do blondes or women with big breasts. 

Maybe you are a breast man, a leg man or a butt man.  Perhaps you really dig blondes, brunettes, redheads.  Maybe you're into white women or maybe you like Black women, Asain women or Latin women.  Can you explain your reasoning for your preferences?  Is that just the way you're wired?

Say you do, in fact have a thing for blondes.  No matter how much I tell you that redheads are where it's at...you still like blondes right?  There is nothing that I can do to "turn" you toward something which you are not attracted too.
[/quote]1. because if Buck and Becky were married it would be seen as TOTALLY acceptable behaviour..2.ok so there is no keyhole..its a log house with pine doors and there is a crack in a knot hole and since it is pretty weird I would bet a kid would wonder WTF??..born gay is BS some of the time.. I know 3 women who were married to jerk men ..2 of em a couple of times and had no desire to be with another woman until they were sucked in at a womens support group meeting..

[TimG]

It's a shame the gay marriage issue always seems to spiral down into a gay vs. Christian issue for many people. I believe that is a little simplistic, as all of the people that voted for or against the measure were not solely gay or Christian. Gay's, Christian's, and all others have the right to voice their opinions and vote their beliefs. The people of North Carolina voted and one side won, the other side lost. If I remember correctly, that is the way it works. Time to move on.

[Paxton]

QUOTE: "Not up here its not. 16 is consent for sex.
Plus being 17 he is still a minor so minor/minor sex is ok."

=======================================================

Thinking 'bout the law in your state, I think it makes a lot of sense.
Consider the fact that teen-sex in America is now culturally acceptable. It is an issue (like it or not)
that has evolved since the sixties, back when "sex was dirty."

My view is that consensual sexual activity at 16 should not stain a kid's criminal record, perhaps for life.
Moreover, I believe that if at seventeen you are still a "minor" and sex at 16 is OK, the concepts are not mutually exclusive.

The alternative is worse save for celibacy.

"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
 John Lennon

[thumper]

I am dead set against it.....

Unless both chicks are HOT!

[art]

Can anyone tell me were the Valkyrie web site is? I was looking for information about rides and Valkyrie activities.
Santa

???I don't know .Its off playing with the moose

[SANDMAN5]

It's a shame the gay marriage issue always seems to spiral down into a gay vs. Christian issue for many people. I believe that is a little simplistic, as all of the people that voted for or against the measure were not solely gay or Christian. Gay's, Christian's, and all others have the right to voice their opinions and vote their beliefs. The people of North Carolina voted and one side won, the other side lost. If I remember correctly, that is the way it works. Time to move on.

That's the point so many are ignoring. Every eligible voter in NC had their chance to vote.
Majority rules, as they say. I voted against it in TN a few years ago. Even if you take out
God, Bible, and sin, I still think "homersexualness" is just plain wrong!! Would any of you vote
FOR something if you felt in your heart it was wrong?

[Paxton]

QUOTE: "Would any of you vote FOR something if you felt in your heart it was wrong?"

===================================================

Actually, Yes and with a heavy heart.  I did it under duress from my own conscience.
One might say, "...the Devil made me do it!" 

[BIG--T]

Seriously... if we let the homo's file joint tax returns, and gave the the legal rights that different sex spouses are given... this all goes away, we can stop talking about it, and it will NOT erode society, cause bestiality or make our kids gay.

Gays don't USUALLY choose being gay.  Like I didn't CHOOSE to REALLY like women.  It just IS.

Homo's ARE different.  They do have a defect in MY opinion.  But it's not a choice any more than autism, diabetes, or retardation.  Let's treat them like people, and allow them to participate in society.  

Yes, I will continue to love my son if he turns out gay.  

Jabba

I don't care what other people do... time marches on, and change (including societal change) is
inevitable. I will enjoy the atmosphere on the square in Laurens this Saturday at the Confederate
Memorial Day observation, and wouldn't be there if it was a "gay pride" march, like they have
in San Francisco, and even near-by in Asheville. Who knows what freaky things they'll be doing
in Laurens in 20 years... ?

One thing is for sure, though... the homosexual agenda (there's a wiki page for that term,
they say it is pejorative) is to indoctrinate Jabba's son (and everyone's else children) with
the notion that homosexual behaviors are normal and positive. Your children won't have
to "turn gay" when, from day one, they learn at school that it is normal and positive. It will
be great for them to learn that at school if that is what you teach them at home...

-Mike

I totally agree with Mike. The gay agenda has been hard at work for years, especially on the sitcoms with a least one or two being gay. They want it to become totally acceptable and "normal".

Why is it that the "gay" population make up is a very small minority and we cater to their every demand? And now the potus is for it? I hope he just shot himself in the foot!

[PAVALKER]

Nobody has said why civil unions are unacceptable to the gay community. They already adopt kids have joint bank accounts have all the basic rights of the married community.

Yes, they do have all the basic rights as everyone else, but NOT the same (benefits/rewards or privileges) as legally married heterosexual couples.  And, that, IMO is the sole reason for their wanting to be "classified" as legally married, so those same benefits/rewards or privileges granted to legally married couples (man and woman) will automatically apply to them, without them having to fight for or earn them individually.  Sorta like making all illegal aliens magically legal citizens by the stroke of a pen and granting them the same rights, benefits/rewards and privileges as legal citizens that worked to become citizens, or those that paid into various programs.

It's not about love, because if it was, the issue would be a mute point and they could love and live as a couple like most are now anyhow. 

It's not about equality, because homosexual couples are not the same as heterosexual couples, and if they were granted that privilege of marriage with associated benefits it could very well open the door to others wanting those same privileges as well (polygamists, pedophiles, bestiality, incestuous couples - straight or gay).

If there were no legal Government benefits, privileges or rewards, if it was just about love and a personal commitment, no legal contract for responsibility, no religious association or legal obligation,  etc, it would not be an issue and a sense of urgency to be grouped in that marriage classification would not exist.... and I think the sense of urgency for a heterosexual couple to become legally married wouldn't be an issue either.

In my military career I have seen "marriages of convenience" occur for individuals to obtain military housing or housing allowances (money, cash and not necessarily just a few dollars).  Some were gay military women and straight military men or the other way around, and some were civilians, just to obtain medical benefits and let the military member keep the other pay and allowances (until further greed set in and they got the money from their spouses as well).  Yes, those caught defrauding the government were prosecuted but the money was not recovered.   Those are just some of the benefits, other government employees also receive benefits as well.   Civilians also receive government benefits for being married, look at SS, tax system, Medicare and so much more.  Our government, aka us Taxpayers pay for those benefits.  Granting a legal classification of "marriage" to same sex couples would significantly impact the government benefits programs, tax our budget and the taxpayers paying for it.... crippling the budget and economy even more.  We would or could be destroyed from within by our own devices and government.

I am against Same Sex Marriages on many levels, religious, social and economical.  I have no problem if homosexuals want to live together as a couple, do what they do behind closed doors like most heterosexual couples would, develop a legal civil union of their own, under a different term and definition than traditional marriage term, and if they want similar benefits/rewards they can also work and expend the efforts to lobby for those benefits. 

It's not about equal rights or the 14th Amendment, its about getting benefits and privilege for which they are not eligible for.

I can't buy a Dodge and demand the same comfort, quality, performance and warranty benefits as I would have if I purchased a Porsche, and justify it under "equal rights".  I couldn't demand a "stateroom" as an enlisted-man, but earned perks and benefits of rank/rate as I earned my promotions.  I did ultimately get that "stateroom", but I worked my ass off for it.  Just as those that earn their citizenship get rewarded.  If our government gives in on this same sex marriage issue, it will be very costly and have significant economical impact and it could set a legal precedent to open the gates for others to demand the same benefits and privileges for wanting to marry their sister, cousin, pet dog etc.

Support the POMA.  I have been married and divorced, and I can honestly say that while marriage is grand.... divorce is about 250 grand and worth every penny at the time.   

Obama's flip flop election year approval of Same Sex Marriage was politically and financially motivated... just look at all the contributions that have been solicited for and provided as a result in the past day or so.  As for what impact this will have on his actual election.... that remains to be seen.

[BIG--T]

Nobody has said why civil unions are unacceptable to the gay community. They already adopt kids have joint bank accounts have all the basic rights of the married community.

Yes, they do have all the basic rights as everyone else, but NOT the same (benefits/rewards or privileges) as legally married heterosexual couples.  And, that, IMO is the sole reason for their wanting to be "classified" as legally married, so those same benefits/rewards or privileges granted to legally married couples (man and woman) will automatically apply to them, without them having to fight for or earn them individually.  Sorta like making all illegal aliens magically legal citizens by the stroke of a pen and granting them the same rights, benefits/rewards and privileges as legal citizens that worked to become citizens, or those that paid into various programs.

It's not about love, because if it was, the issue would be a mute point and they could love and live as a couple like most are now anyhow. 

It's not about equality, because homosexual couples are not the same as heterosexual couples, and if they were granted that privilege of marriage with associated benefits it could very well open the door to others wanting those same privileges as well (polygamists, pedophiles, bestiality, incestuous couples - straight or gay).
If there were no legal Government benefits, privileges or rewards, if it was just about love and a personal commitment, no legal contract for responsibility, no religious association or legal obligation,  etc, it would not be an issue and a sense of urgency to be grouped in that marriage classification would not exist.... and I think the sense of urgency for a heterosexual couple to become legally married wouldn't be an issue either.

In my military career I have seen "marriages of convenience" occur for individuals to obtain military housing or housing allowances (money, cash and not necessarily just a few dollars).  Some were gay military women and straight military men or the other way around, and some were civilians, just to obtain medical benefits and let the military member keep the other pay and allowances (until further greed set in and they got the money from their spouses as well).  Yes, those caught defrauding the government were prosecuted but the money was not recovered.   Those are just some of the benefits, other government employees also receive benefits as well.   Civilians also receive government benefits for being married, look at SS, tax system, Medicare and so much more.  Our government, aka us Taxpayers pay for those benefits.  Granting a legal classification of "marriage" to same sex couples would significantly impact the government benefits programs, tax our budget and the taxpayers paying for it.... crippling the budget and economy even more.  We would or could be destroyed from within by our own devices and government.
I am against Same Sex Marriages on many levels, religious, social and economical.  I have no problem if homosexuals want to live together as a couple, do what they do behind closed doors like most heterosexual couples would, develop a legal civil union of their own, under a different term and definition than traditional marriage term, and if they want similar benefits/rewards they can also work and expend the efforts to lobby for those benefits. 

It's not about equal rights or the 14th Amendment, its about getting benefits and privilege for which they are not eligible for.

I can't buy a Dodge and demand the same comfort, quality, performance and warranty benefits as I would have if I purchased a Porsche, and justify it under "equal rights".  I couldn't demand a "stateroom" as an enlisted-man, but earned perks and benefits of rank/rate as I earned my promotions.  I did ultimately get that "stateroom", but I worked my ass off for it.  Just as those that earn their citizenship get rewarded.  If our government gives in on this same sex marriage issue, it will be very costly and have significant economical impact and it could set a legal precedent to open the gates for others to demand the same benefits and privileges for wanting to marry their sister, cousin, pet dog etc.
Support the POMA.  I have been married and divorced, and I can honestly say that while marriage is grand.... divorce is about 250 grand and worth every penny at the time.   

Obama's flip flop election year approval of Same Sex Marriage was politically and financially motivated... just look at all the contributions that have been solicited for and provided as a result in the past day or so.  As for what impact this will have on his actual election.... that remains to be seen.

John, very well written. I also think it will open the door to polygamist, pedophiles, etc. creating a very slippery slope.

It will cripple the economy and we very well could be destroyed from within just as the Mighty Roman empire was. I do really see a great parallel!

It could set a precedent for marrying their sisters, all their kin and pets! 

I just read this morning, thanks to George Clooney, Obama has raised $15 million! 

[G-Man]

I find it comical how the Libs try to trivialize the Conserv fear that allowing same sex marriage can lead to "other alternative" forms of marriage.  This comes from the same folks that fear relaxing some governmental restrictions will lead to drinking bad water and breathing bad air.   

[Jabba]

Guys, I am FAR from Liberal.  Especially about fiscal, defense, gun toting, the Constitution and foreign policy.

We need to secure our borders, stop giving illegals benefits and healthcare, and send them HOME.  Allowing Gay's to file a joint income tax return isn't going to break the USA.  It's all the other crap that's the problem.  We don't need to send BILLIONS in aid overseas.  We don't need to spend BILLIONS in pork projects at home.  We need to reinvent the tax SYSTEM.  FairTax is the best thing we got going and people are not even TALKING about it.

A lot of insurance companies already cover a "domestic partner" so it's not like that's an issue.  It's really all about separating out someone that's not like you.

I want freedom for all people as long as it doesn't infringe on ME.  Marrying ones pet... the pet can't be consenting.  two CONSENTING adults.  I don't see that as slippery.   Being queer ain't normal, but it doesn't make my life worse, or make me less committed to MY wife. 

It's like drugs... people should be able to do what they want, until they infringe on someone else.  There is no LOGICAL reason why drinking should be legal and pot illegal.  I don't do either.  People ARE going to get high.  People ARE going to be gay.  There isn't ANY LOGICAL reason to punish EITHER.

You can not, and SHOULD not protect people from themselves.  Live and let live.  Isn't THAT what the world should be about? 

Jabba

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I haven't read all the previous psots cause I  don't care.

BUT

Y'all have got distracted and started squabbling because PresBo stated HIS opinion. NOT the Fed Govt, NOT the individual States, NOT ANYONE elses personal opinion but his.

A shining example of how the Democrat Party manages to sidetrack their opponents.

The current state of the nation is far more important than what the gay couple living half a mile away from you is doing.

Ya'll got suckered again.

[ComradBlack]

True ... if you get married at City hall or a JP ... you do not have a Judeo-Christian Marriage.

You have a Marriage that is recognized by the Government ... but not the God of the Judeo-Christian faith.

And to answer perhaps the next question ...

Do Jews and Christians view their Marriage as being different from that a secular marriage ?

I disagree.  We were married by the mayor of New Rochelle on the beach at the catering hall.  I am Jewish and my wife is Christian.  We felt this was the right way to go for us, and our guests.  It was a beautiful evening out on that beach.  The skies were bluer than blue and everyone arrived safely, was healthy, and full of love.  We took pictures out there until the sun went down.  Are you sure God wasn't there that day with us? 

18 years later, we have a great kid starting at a school in the top one percent of the country, the other kid is following in those footsteps, our loves grows, our family gets bigger at every gathering, we want for nothing.  Are you sure God isn't blessing us?

Does the marriage HAVE to be in a building with a pointy roof, performed by a guy in a robe and a hat (who hasn't a clue more than you or me if there even is a God), if it's in your heart?

Shalom and Marantha to you and your wife.

To answer your 1st question ... Are you sure God wasn't there that day with us?
 
Jews and Christians alike believe in the omnipresence attribute of God Almighty.
In fact the very term "God Almighty" (from the Hebrew words El Shadday ) speaks of Gods omnipotent/omnipresent nature.
See also the words of Jeremiah 23:23,24


So yes ... I'm sure God was present.
I don't question this ... but you did, so one must ask ... are you sure God was present.

Your next question .. Are you sure God isn't blessing us ?

God Almighty could very well be blessing you and your family.
But have you asked God Almighty for it ?

Receiving blessing and asking for it is two different things.
When we ask for blessing(s) from God Almighty ... we are in fact acknowledging that our blessing come from God Almighty.

Your last question is in fact three questions framed in one
So I`ll dissect.

Does the marriage HAVE to be in a building with a pointy roof ?

No

performed by a guy in a robe and a hat (who hasn't a clue more than you or me if there even is a God), ?

Yes ... the guy with the robe and hat is God Almightys  representative.
Much like a lawyer for the other party when a contract is signed.
Listen to the words used by a representative of God Almighty at a wedding  and compare to the words used at a secular wedding.
There is a marked difference.
 
And I`m certain that anyone who has dedicated his or her life to preaching God Almightys word and God Almightys existance has more than a very good clue on the topic.

... if it's in your heart ?

I cannot see into your heart .. but God Almighty can.
He can see down into our deepest core ... the things we wish no one to see.
And he still loves us and offers the gift of Grace.

But whats key here is ... Grace is offered ... not given freely.
Atonement ... we must ask for it.

Just like Blessings ... Grace is the highest blessing that can be asked for.

[Jabba]

How about the surety of the Muslim cleric who has dedicated his life to Alah?  That guy is full of crap... and we agree on that.  But YOUR cleric, is beyond question.

Nice.

Bottom line... logic need not apply. 

Jabba 

[PAVALKER]

I haven't read all the previous psots cause I  don't care.

BUT

Y'all have got distracted and started squabbling because PresBo stated HIS opinion. NOT the Fed Govt, NOT the individual States, NOT ANYONE elses personal opinion but his.

A shining example of how the Democrat Party manages to sidetrack their opponents.

The current state of the nation is far more important than what the gay couple living half a mile away from you is doing.

Ya'll got suckered again.

You might not have read all the previous posts because you don't care, and that is fine if you don't care about ones opinion or thoughts.  But if it was that you don't care about Same Sex Marriage, or our POTUS's position on it, then you might care when it impacts you somehow.  There are lots of folks that don't care about many issues, until it impacts them... and then it might be too to do anything about.

I agree that the current state of the nation is more important than what the gay couple living half a mile away is doing.  But when that impacts you or your family in some direct or indirect, legal, moral or financial manner, it should and will matter.  Not only is the current state of the nation important, but so is the future of the nation.    I don't care what the dudes next door to you or the gals across the street are doing in their bedroom, but when it has the significant potential to impact the morality, religious, and economic values, of the country and cost me or other tax payer monies, I do care.  Most care less what others do in their room behind closed doors...., but when someone tells you it isn't bothering anyone, then why is it so important for them to be recognized as being legally married, why can't they just live and love as it is?  

And, it is not a distraction, it's part of the big picture.  

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"you or your family in some direct or indirect, legal, moral or financial manner"

Come on, please be specific. You sound like a Democrat 

So long as the 2 people DO NOT cause any harm, mental or physical ; within the current legal requirements; to themsleves or any other person where lies the problem?

[Jabba]

but when it has the significant potential to impact the morality, religious, and economic values, of the country and cost me or other tax payer monies, I do care.  

So why not focus your energy on the BILLIONS wasted on illegal immigrants, and foreign aid squandered?

Billions, I tell you BILLIONS!!

Jabba

[Chrisj CMA]

but when it has the significant potential to impact the morality, religious, and economic values, of the country and cost me or other tax payer monies, I do care.  

So why not focus your energy on the BILLIONS wasted on illegal immigrants, and foreign aid squandered?

Billions, I tell you BILLIONS!!

Jabba

I agree Jabba........illegal aliens are costing us more in any one area than anything else and all we have to do is inforce laws that already exist.  "president" Obama refuses to

IMPEACH OBAMA

[Jabba]

Like I said.. I am no Liberal.  The Republicans are too liberal for me. 

I just like people to keep their noses out of MY business.  Doesn't EVERYONE want people to let the do what THEY want to do?

I just think it is fair to keep my nose out of THEIR business.

That's all.

Jabba

[G-Man]

True ... if you get married at City hall or a JP ... you do not have a Judeo-Christian Marriage.

You have a Marriage that is recognized by the Government ... but not the God of the Judeo-Christian faith.

And to answer perhaps the next question ...

Do Jews and Christians view their Marriage as being different from that a secular marriage ?

I disagree.  We were married by the mayor of New Rochelle on the beach at the catering hall.  I am Jewish and my wife is Christian.  We felt this was the right way to go for us, and our guests.  It was a beautiful evening out on that beach.  The skies were bluer than blue and everyone arrived safely, was healthy, and full of love.  We took pictures out there until the sun went down.  Are you sure God wasn't there that day with us? 

18 years later, we have a great kid starting at a school in the top one percent of the country, the other kid is following in those footsteps, our loves grows, our family gets bigger at every gathering, we want for nothing.  Are you sure God isn't blessing us?

Does the marriage HAVE to be in a building with a pointy roof, performed by a guy in a robe and a hat (who hasn't a clue more than you or me if there even is a God), if it's in your heart?

Shalom and Marantha to you and your wife.

To answer your 1st question ... Are you sure God wasn't there that day with us?
 
Jews and Christians alike believe in the omnipresence attribute of God Almighty.
In fact the very term "God Almighty" (from the Hebrew words El Shadday ) speaks of Gods omnipotent/omnipresent nature.
See also the words of Jeremiah 23:23,24


So yes ... I'm sure God was present.
I don't question this ... but you did, so one must ask ... are you sure God was present.

Your next question .. Are you sure God isn't blessing us ?

God Almighty could very well be blessing you and your family.
But have you asked God Almighty for it ?

Receiving blessing and asking for it is two different things.
When we ask for blessing(s) from God Almighty ... we are in fact acknowledging that our blessing come from God Almighty.

Your last question is in fact three questions framed in one
So I`ll dissect.

Does the marriage HAVE to be in a building with a pointy roof ?

No

performed by a guy in a robe and a hat (who hasn't a clue more than you or me if there even is a God), ?

Yes ... the guy with the robe and hat is God Almightys  representative.
Much like a lawyer for the other party when a contract is signed.
Listen to the words used by a representative of God Almighty at a wedding  and compare to the words used at a secular wedding.
There is a marked difference.
 
And I`m certain that anyone who has dedicated his or her life to preaching God Almightys word and God Almightys existance has more than a very good clue on the topic.

... if it's in your heart ?

I cannot see into your heart .. but God Almighty can.
He can see down into our deepest core ... the things we wish no one to see.
And he still loves us and offers the gift of Grace.

But whats key here is ... Grace is offered ... not given freely.
Atonement ... we must ask for it.

Just like Blessings ... Grace is the highest blessing that can be asked for.

Oy Gevalt, such mashugie!   

[fudgie]

Jabba, you should run for Gov. After, of coarse, Rupert does his 2 terms.