|
|
Gear Jammer
Member
Posts: 3074
Yeah,,,,,It's a HEMI
Magnolia, Texas
|
 |
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2012, 03:19:14 PM » |
|
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
 "The problems we face today exist because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living. |
|
|
Former BMW Guy
Member
Posts: 523
Aut viam inveniam aut faciam.
Apple Valley, MN
|
|
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2012, 04:25:37 PM » |
|
Shoot first...ask questions later.
JP
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Motorcycling is not, of itself, inherently dangerous.
It is however, extremely unforgiving of: inattention, ignorance, incompetence or stupidity.
|
|
|
PAVALKER
Member
Posts: 4435
Retired Navy 22YOS, 2014 Valkyrie , VRCC# 27213
Pittsburgh, Pa
|
|
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2012, 04:35:28 PM » |
|
Make sure you get enough fuel to feed it ......  |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
John  |
|
|
|
shooter64
|
|
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2012, 02:52:23 AM » |
|
A good example might be Vermont. A person with no criminal record can carry a firearm with no permit. There is barely any crime there compared to D.C. or most anywhere that have the most restrictive gun laws. The criminals love the laws. They restrict only the law abiding people.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Columbia, S.C.
|
|
|
|
solo1
|
|
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2012, 04:17:51 AM » |
|
I think that our biggest enemy is the liberal press. They do not report successful stops of criminals by gun owners.
The average Joe Blow listens to their crap, especially the people in big cities. Many have the 'guvmint will protect us' mentality.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
Thespian
|
|
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2012, 10:05:48 AM » |
|
Dated, but I doubt much has changed. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/03/uk_gun_crime/html/2.stm I don't want guns banned, but military hardware? well I don't see any reason for 100 round clips. Guns don't kill people, people, kill people. I know. But you sure can kill allot more of them quickly with a gun, than you can with sticks and stones. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Smooth is where it's at. (o_0)
|
|
|
|
solo1
|
|
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2012, 10:31:56 AM » |
|
Clip?
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
Serk
|
|
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2012, 10:33:07 AM » |
|
Clip?
Yeah, I know... Makes my skin crawl too... Same as when someone refers to a round of ammunition as a bullet... *Sigh* |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Never ask a geek 'Why?',just nod your head and slowly back away...  IBA# 22107 VRCC# 7976 VRCCDS# 226 1998 Valkyrie Standard 2008 Gold Wing Taxation is theft. μολὼν λαβέ |
|
|
|
Thespian
|
|
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2012, 11:04:29 AM » |
|
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Smooth is where it's at. (o_0)
|
|
|
|
Serk
|
|
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2012, 11:10:15 AM » |
|
My reply would be that, while any deaths are bad, I'll take that over the 170,000,000 murdered due to gun control in the 20th century... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAU9AJfttls |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Never ask a geek 'Why?',just nod your head and slowly back away... IBA# 22107 VRCC# 7976 VRCCDS# 226 1998 Valkyrie Standard 2008 Gold Wing Taxation is theft. μολὼν λαβέ |
|
|
|
Jess from VA
|
|
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2012, 11:31:55 AM » |
|
The other thing I'd point out (in reference to the chart of deaths per 100K) is that the US has more people that need killing than those other countries.
Though I'm sure that is not the only reason for the higher stats.
And I will bet those stats are not quite so skewed 12 years later (now).
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
solo1
|
|
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2012, 11:40:43 AM » |
|
Clip?
Yeah, I know... Makes my skin crawl too... Same as when someone refers to a round of ammunition as a bullet... *Sigh* Shhh, Serk, don't give away the secret. That's how we can tell it's from the liberal media.  |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
FryeVRCCDS0067
|
|
« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2012, 02:27:55 PM » |
|
100 rounders sound fun but expensive to feed. My 30 rounders are expensive enough to feed. I don't use them much but my Grand-kids and daughter-in-laws sure seem to enjoy shooting with the large capacity magazines. Of course, that's when I'm buying the ammo. Seriously, our politicians are protected by firearms with hi-cap mags. Are their lives more important than ours? And, if you bought a nice fun gun with some big magazines it wouldn't take you long to realize how fun they are to shoot. In particular when you are able to spend less time reloading. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And... moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.'' -- Barry Goldwater, Acceptance Speech at the Republican Convention; 1964  |
|
|
|
Thespian
|
|
« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2012, 02:42:16 PM » |
|
So your OK with continuing with one extreme, because of another in history. there is a balance that can be achieved. But there is so much hysteria on both sides, nothing will change. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Smooth is where it's at. (o_0)
|
|
|
|
Jess from VA
|
|
« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2012, 02:53:48 PM » |
|
There is no hysteria on my side, but we have done all the compromising we are going to do.
We already have 10,000 state and fed gun laws.
If 50-200 men come down my street burning every house, I cannot kill them all with a bolt action rifle or 10 rd mags.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
FryeVRCCDS0067
|
|
« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2012, 08:19:57 PM » |
|
So your OK with continuing with one extreme, because of another in history. there is a balance that can be achieved. But there is so much hysteria on both sides, nothing will change. One must remember our founder's purpose when they wrote the 2'nd amendment. I think perhaps Tench Coxe who was a delegate to the continental congress said it best.
The power of the sword, say the minority..., is in the hands of Congress. My friends and countrymen, it is not so, for The powers of the sword are in the hands of the yeomanry of America from sixteen to sixty. The militia of these free commonwealths, entitled and accustomed to their arms, when compared with any possible army, must be tremendous and irresistible. Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress has no power to disarm the militia. Their swords and every terrible implement of the soldier are the birthright of Americans. The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments but where, I trust in God, it will always remain, in the hands of the people.
The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.
Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American... [T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.
Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.
For our 2'nd Amendment to serve it's purpose, the American people have to have access to the most modern firearms. And, lets not forget, "we the people" have always had the most modern firearms. The citizens adopted the 45/70 single shot as a favorite gun and round, because it was the current military round. Then came the 30/06 which was the round used in military bolt actions and the civilian bolt actions which quickly followed. When that round was chosen for the M1 Garand sem-auto it probably became the most popular caliber in America and it's still close to the top. When the US military started using semi-autos in 1911, civilians started buying them too, along with that wonderful 45ACP cartridge. Now, the AR platform along with the 223 cartridge is the longest running rifle/carbine in US history and it's also probably the best selling rifle on the civilian market too. Just as it should be. In order for our 2'nd Amendment to act as the deterrent it was meant to be, civilians must have the opportunity to be armed with the most modern weapons available. Just as we have been for over 200 years. NO matter if it's a smoothbore musket, a Kentucky Rifle, an M1 carbine or Garand, a 1911 or Beretta. Or an AR or AK with a "100 round clip", they are all the Birthright of every American. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And... moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.'' -- Barry Goldwater, Acceptance Speech at the Republican Convention; 1964 |
|
|
Skinhead
Member
Posts: 8763
J. A. B. O. A.
Troy, MI
|
|
« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2012, 07:25:23 AM » |
|
So your OK with continuing with one extreme, because of another in history. there is a balance that can be achieved. But there is so much hysteria on both sides, nothing will change. One must remember our founder's purpose when they wrote the 2'nd amendment. I think perhaps Tench Coxe who was a delegate to the continental congress said it best.
The power of the sword, say the minority..., is in the hands of Congress. My friends and countrymen, it is not so, for The powers of the sword are in the hands of the yeomanry of America from sixteen to sixty. The militia of these free commonwealths, entitled and accustomed to their arms, when compared with any possible army, must be tremendous and irresistible. Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress has no power to disarm the militia. Their swords and every terrible implement of the soldier are the birthright of Americans. The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments but where, I trust in God, it will always remain, in the hands of the people.
The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.
Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American... [T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.
Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.
For our 2'nd Amendment to serve it's purpose, the American people have to have access to the most modern firearms. And, lets not forget, "we the people" have always had the most modern firearms. The citizens adopted the 45/70 single shot as a favorite gun and round, because it was the current military round. Then came the 30/06 which was the round used in military bolt actions and the civilian bolt actions which quickly followed. When that round was chosen for the M1 Garand sem-auto it probably became the most popular caliber in America and it's still close to the top. When the US military started using semi-autos in 1911, civilians started buying them too, along with that wonderful 45ACP cartridge. Now, the AR platform along with the 223 cartridge is the longest running rifle/carbine in US history and it's also probably the best selling rifle on the civilian market too. Just as it should be. In order for our 2'nd Amendment to act as the deterrent it was meant to be, civilians must have the opportunity to be armed with the most modern weapons available. Just as we have been for over 200 years. NO matter if it's a smoothbore musket, a Kentucky Rifle, an M1 carbine or Garand, a 1911 or Beretta. Or an AR or AK with a "100 round clip", they are all the Birthright of every American. +1! I say remove restrictions, other than no felonies or loonies. And ruthlessly punish anyone convicted of unlawfully using a firearm. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
 Troy, MI |
|
|
|
