car tire vs mc tire in the twisties ...

[Relax]

Which tire gives most rubber / tracktion on the asphalt in the curves? MC tire or car tire?

Does a lower air pressure in a car tire give more rubber on the asphalt in the curves?

Do you lower your speed in the curves if you have a car tire?

 

[Former BMW Guy]

Not to be contrary to the darksiders out there but my opinion is that car tires are designed from the inside out to be used on cars and motorcycle tires are designed from the inside out to be used on motorcycles.
I don't think they are interchangeable....

JP

[Dr Bobs Patient]

I beleive the CT has more rubber on the road, all of the time.

I run 42psi, don't know any different.

No.  I run faster with the CT.

Now please pass the popcorn!

PS: To Former BMW Guy, you are being contrary to us Darksiders. 

[Gryphon Rider]

Former BMW Guy:

Your answer to the question is like an atheist answering a theological question pertaining to some passage in the Bible.

Relax:

Valkyries with a car tire on the back can be ridden just as hard or harder through the twisties as those with a motorcycle tire can.  Traction is not an issue.  Finding the right tire pressure is about finding the balance between comfort, firmness of handling, and wear distribution across the width of the tire.  I've only ever felt my front tire slip in corners, and that was on cold (3-8 degrees Celsius) wet pavement.  Oh, except twisting the throttle hard in first gear in a slow tight corner will break any tire free.

[Former BMW Guy]

Here is a quote from Rider magazine:
"...if you believe that running a car tire on your motorcycle fits within your acceptable risk threshold on the road, you may have left out an important consideration that can strike a little closer to home. Can the rider with a car tire mounted on his motorcycle have complete confidence that, in the event of a crash, he will be covered by his insurance? Or that others injured in a crash won’t target him with a costly lawsuit because he fit his motorcycle with tires that were not designed or intended for motorcycle use and may have contributed to the crash? Are the few dollars saved by turning to a car tire outweighed by the potential loss of a house and whatever dollars may be squirreled away for retirement?

As motorcycle safety expert and AMA hall-of-famer David Hough said during our recent conversation on this topic, “Motorcycle engineers get up awfully early in the morning to calculate what works best for bikes. An owner who disregards the engineers’ advice should think carefully about his or her talents in being more clever than the engineers. The owner who installs tires not designed for the task must take full responsibility for the results.” While the practice of fitting a car tire to a motorcycle may work suitably for some—even over many miles—there is no escaping that the rider must accept full liability for a practice that is not endorsed by the industry. Riders must consider carefully what accountability they may have as they openly encourage other riders to adopt a practice that is ardently discouraged by virtually all experts in the industry, including those who have no financial gains in selling more motorcycle tires".

Here is a link to the article for those who are interested:

http://www.ridermagazine.com/browse-by-type/tires/tales-from-the-dark-side-putting-car-tires-on-motorcycles.htm/

By the way...some of my best friends ride the darkside. 

JP

[Moonshot_1]

Which tire gives most rubber / tracktion on the asphalt in the curves? MC tire or car tire?

Does a lower air pressure in a car tire give more rubber on the asphalt in the curves?

Do you lower your speed in the curves if you have a car tire?

 

Let's lay the ground rules here.
Talking about running Car tires on Cruiser style bikes (ie. Valks)

A cruiser's performance profile seems to be well within the performance design of a car tire.
You will scrape metal parts on the road before you go outside of the design parameters of the tire.

As to which gives more traction.
Again, gonna lay a ground rule here. Talking about brand new cycle tire to brand new car tire.
You have a smaller contact patch with the motorcycle tire and larger with the car tire.
But you have greater Lbs/sq. inch contact with the motorcycle tire and less Lbs/sq. inch with the car tire.
So it would seem that the traction question is a wash.

But we don't run brand new tires all the time. So in the real world the car tire wears better and longer than a Motorcycle tire. After 2500 miles, I'd prefer and trust the Car tire over the cycle tire in regards to traction. By this time it seems that the cycle tire has developed a worn area right down the center.
With luck, I'd get 12k out of a rear cycle tire. So they are checking out at 8-10k

Got 33k with my last CT. Could have easily gotten more but wanted to change it out before a long trip.

No, I don't lower my speeds through curves with the car tire.

As to other concerns,
My insurance guy says it don't matter. I asked.
I've had more flats and failures with cycle tires than car tires. Tire failure on Motorcycle tires seem to be fairly common. Haven't had a car tire go bad.

I don't suggest car tires on a motorcycle for the weekend rider or to try and get one on a crotch rocket as the performance profile would seem to be outside of a car tire's handling profile.

But if you are looking for options on a cruiser style cycle and you ride 12k + a year, then, yeah, have a look.
It's not for everyone but works well for me.

[Gavin_Sons]

There will always be lovers and haters when it comes to darkside. I happen to be a lover. I find myself not slowing down as much in corners with a ct as I I did with a mc tire. Just because some magazine put an article out about darkside does not mean they are right. Did the author actually put thousands of miles on a ct or is it just his opinion? If you write an article like that I expect you to actually put the miles in on a ct before you make your final judgement on it. Dont bash it until you try it is all im saying.

[sugerbear]

Here is a quote from Rider magazine:
"...if you believe that running a car tire on your motorcycle fits within your acceptable risk threshold on the road, you may have left out an important consideration that can strike a little closer to home. Can the rider with a car tire mounted on his motorcycle have complete confidence that, in the event of a crash, he will be covered by his insurance? Or that others injured in a crash won’t target him with a costly lawsuit because he fit his motorcycle with tires that were not designed or intended for motorcycle use and may have contributed to the crash? Are the few dollars saved by turning to a car tire outweighed by the potential loss of a house and whatever dollars may be squirreled away for retirement?

As motorcycle safety expert and AMA hall-of-famer David Hough said during our recent conversation on this topic, “Motorcycle engineers get up awfully early in the morning to calculate what works best for bikes. An owner who disregards the engineers’ advice should think carefully about his or her talents in being more clever than the engineers. The owner who installs tires not designed for the task must take full responsibility for the results.” While the practice of fitting a car tire to a motorcycle may work suitably for some—even over many miles—there is no escaping that the rider must accept full liability for a practice that is not endorsed by the industry. Riders must consider carefully what accountability they may have as they openly encourage other riders to adopt a practice that is ardently discouraged by virtually all experts in the industry, including those who have no financial gains in selling more motorcycle tires".

Here is a link to the article for those who are interested:

http://www.ridermagazine.com/browse-by-type/tires/tales-from-the-dark-side-putting-car-tires-on-motorcycles.htm/

By the way...some of my best friends ride the darkside. 

JP

AND.....their lawyers wouldnt let them print anything else.

[jmann]

There will always be lovers and haters when it comes to darkside. I happen to be a lover. I find myself not slowing down as much in corners with a ct as I I did with a mc tire. Just because some magazine put an article out about darkside does not mean they are right. Did the author actually put thousands of miles on a ct or is it just his opinion? If you write an article like that I expect you to actually put the miles in on a ct before you make your final judgement on it. Dont bash it until you try it is all im saying.

             

[Gryphon Rider]

You have a smaller contact patch with the motorcycle tire and larger with the car tire.
But you have greater Lbs/sq. inch contact with the motorcycle tire and less Lbs/sq. inch with the car tire.
So it would seem that the traction question is a wash.

All else being equal (weight on tire and other forces on tire, rubber compound, road surface, etc), on clean dry pavement, a larger contact patch will typically provide more resistance to slippage (traction) than a smaller contact patch.  Tire traction is not quite as simple as a uniform coefficient of friction.  The missing factor is that for a tire to slip, it must shear off rubber that has been pressed into the depressions of the road surface.  Traction is therefore a combination of friction and shear resistance, and the shear resistance is a function of surface area.

[Relax]

Is it obvious car tire have more rubber down in the curves too?

Straight ahead, yes,,,but also in the curves?

[Chrisj CMA]

LOL....this is just like the liberals vs the conservatives but at least its motorcycle related.........Ill keep my opinions to myself about car tires.  But as far as the lawsuits......heck they cant prove OJ killed his wife, you think someone can prove that car tire is the reason grandma died?  I dont think so.

[Jess from VA]

The contact patch on a bike tire is roughly the same at all times/leans, on it's rounded profile.

Even in hard leans, when the car tire lifts off roughly half it's tread, the remaining half tread contact patch is still larger than the bike tire contact patch (at least double).  At max leans, it may be a bit less than half, but it is never on just a thin edge. This is somewhat affected by PSI run in any car tire; the lower the PSI, the longer the tire will stay flat on its entire contact patch thru a progressive lean.

And, while I cannot be certain of this, I believe when the car tire gets up on half it's tread, it actually raises the bike just a bit in the rear, and provides a bit more available lean-angle before dragging pegs/boards, than with a bike tire.  Again, this effect is influenced by car tire PSI.... I run them hard (40) and though the tire tries to stay flat as it progresses thru a lean, about half the tread/contact surface does eventually come off the ground in max leans, maybe a bit more than half.

The rider magazine article is typical writing by a nonbeliever.  I have to admit I had never heard of such a thing. Nor could I fathom why anyone would want to do it.  With this as his preface, one need read no further.

BTW there are a number videos available where the rider has placed a camera right down on the rear car tire, and then runs the bike thru the corners.

He really does not get to maximum lean, but you get the idea.

Darkside tire on the highway	powered by Aeva

Going to the Darkside with a KUMHO RF on a GL1800 Goldwing	powered by Aeva

Of course with a Valk video, you get music.

VALKYRIE DARKSIDE VIDEO	powered by Aeva

And yes, your riding technique must change a little, with a bit of non-tiring counter steer required, whereas a bike tire is like one-finger, power steering neutral.  Easy, and once learned, forgotten.



I know Dag on his site has one, but cannot find it.
http://www.valkyrienorway.com/

[MP]

Here is a quote from Rider magazine:
"...if you believe that running a car tire on your motorcycle fits within your acceptable risk threshold on the road, you may have left out an important consideration that can strike a little closer to home. Can the rider with a car tire mounted on his motorcycle have complete confidence that, in the event of a crash, he will be covered by his insurance? Or that others injured in a crash won’t target him with a costly lawsuit because he fit his motorcycle with tires that were not designed or intended for motorcycle use and may have contributed to the crash? Are the few dollars saved by turning to a car tire outweighed by the potential loss of a house and whatever dollars may be squirreled away for retirement?

As motorcycle safety expert and AMA hall-of-famer David Hough said during our recent conversation on this topic, “Motorcycle engineers get up awfully early in the morning to calculate what works best for bikes. An owner who disregards the engineers’ advice should think carefully about his or her talents in being more clever than the engineers. The owner who installs tires not designed for the task must take full responsibility for the results.” While the practice of fitting a car tire to a motorcycle may work suitably for some—even over many miles—there is no escaping that the rider must accept full liability for a practice that is not endorsed by the industry. Riders must consider carefully what accountability they may have as they openly encourage other riders to adopt a practice that is ardently discouraged by virtually all experts in the industry, including those who have no financial gains in selling more motorcycle tires".

Here is a link to the article for those who are interested:

http://www.ridermagazine.com/browse-by-type/tires/tales-from-the-dark-side-putting-car-tires-on-motorcycles.htm/

By the way...some of my best friends ride the darkside. 

JP

AND.....their lawyers wouldnt let them print anything else.

Ride what you want.

The "no insurance with a car tire" is brought up often.  However, NOT ONCE can anyone cite an actual case of it being denied.  NOT ONE!

Unfortunately, I know personally a couple who have crashed while running a car tire.  Car at fault each time.

Insurance was NOT denied.  In fact, the ct was not even brought up.

It is a straw man argument.  Insurance is NOT denied because of it.

Honda, and others, say right in there manual do NOT pull a trailer!  Ever seen a trailer behind a bike?  I have NOT heard of ONCE insurance being denied to them either.

What about superchargers?  What about raked front ends?  What about changing tire sizes?

NONE of these, or any other, cause insurance to be denied.

Rider has written before about how terrible ct's are.  In fact, they declared them to be so unsafe, they refused to even ride on a mc with a ct!  And they went on and on about how terrible they handled, etc!  WITHOUT even being on one.

MP

MP

[Hoser]

I must agree with my friend MP, it's a free country (for now), let the rider decide.  Hoser    

[Tailgate Tommy]

I must agree with my friend MP, it's a free country (for now), let the rider decide.  Hoser    

+1. As a free American I can make my own decision based on my experience and best judgment on what I want to use. At least until congress bans them for creating fiery deaths.
Oh no, I might have just made this political

[old2soon]

I'm on my second D/S and i got used to it in 15-20 miles on the first one. I have twistys about 2 miles from my driveway and i just ride. I've been D/S long enough that i don't even pay attention to it. BUT i've noticed there IS NOT a lot of in between-it's a love/hate thingy.  I happen to be on the luv em side of D/S.  RIDE SAFE.

[SANDMAN5]

I have over 50,000 Darkside Valkyrie miles. NOT ONCE have I worried
about going into a curve and not having rear tire traction.....except
that time I came down from Shady Valley with snow on the road. I
ride as fast or as slow as I want, drag my pegs a few times a year, and
have so much fun I can't hardly stand it. If you want to try the Darkside
go for it. Don't let anyone else decide for you, pro or con. Just be sure
to start out slow until you get the air pressure where you want it. I run
36 psi in a GYTT.

P.S. That Rider mag article has been shot down, debunked, and made fun of
       by more forums than this one.

[Farther]

That Rider mag article has been shot down, debunked, and made fun of by more forums than this one.

I would prefer to see a scientific method employed.

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

Traction comparisons are going to depend greatly on which bike tire and which CT I think. When I went from a bike tire to a CT (GY tripletread) one of the first things I noticed was that when leaving a particular 4-way stop on my way home from work, the CT had better traction. It's close to work so I was usually still in "escape mode" when I got there. I turn right at this stop and most of the time I would hit it pretty hard as I accelerated and turned right. With the bike tire the rear end would slide out with me a little as it spun slightly as I turned. With the CT there was none of that and the front tire would get a little light as I hit it too.

I run a General now and while it feels more bike like it may not have quite the traction the TT did. I did feel that the TT's traction fell off somewhat as the tire wore so I usually changed them a little early. It was almost like the rubber compound got harder.

[Brian]

That Rider mag article has been shot down, debunked, and made fun of by more forums than this one.

I would prefer to see a scientific method employed.

Take a look at this long article. Steve Saunders Goldwing forum - Differences between CT on a MT rim. I aplogize for not being computer savy to copy and paste between sites.

[MP]

That Rider mag article has been shot down, debunked, and made fun of by more forums than this one.

I would prefer to see a scientific method employed.

Hard to do when the testers are SO AFRAID that they REFUSE to ride a bike with a CT on it.  Never mind the 1000's of bikers doing it on a daily basis!

The CT puts more rubber on the road.  Even in turns.  Better in gravel and rain.

It does take more input to countersteer, and I need to maintain that pressure during the curve more.

The CT is MUCH more resistant to damage from debris in the road.  Put a plug into Clintsdivco GY TT at a ride.  All I could do to get the string into the tire.  Even had to take a couple strings off to make it.

Later that year, put the same string plug into a brand new Avon rear for a rider at a different ride.  Went into the tire like a hot knife into butter.  No resistance at all!

Made me think about what would happen when you run over a piece of steel on the road!  CT much better.

Ride what you want.

MP

[Fritz The Cat]

Last summer's trip to God's country I logged almost 700 miles in the twisties on my CT. Including 4 runs up and down NC 180. I can say without any doubt what so ever that CTs grip the road just as good, if not better than MTs. Those who criticize CTs and have never rode on one (I used to be one of them) don't have a clue. And as for a CT wanting to force the bike upright when you lean into a curve, that's a bunch of bunk too, mine gives no hint what so ever of preferring the upright position. I'll never go back to a MT on the rear, they're a ripoff.

[NITRO]

If you read Rider regularly, you'll also notice Avon, Metzler, Dunlop, etc advertise all over in the mag. Good Year, General, and other CT manufacturers do not. It would be foolish to ignore this fact when Rider doesn't even bother to test even one CT before declaring the darkside horribly unsafe and darksiders as cheapskates.

It's all about the money for them, make your own decision. At most you'll be out $100, and could likely resell the tire if you didn't like the change.

[Ricky-D]

In reply to the puncture repair-ability of the different car tires and motorcycle tires I feel

That most all car tires are steel belted, especially the car tires chosen for motorcycle application.

I also have the view that not all motorcycle tire are steel belted, in fact I think there are few steel belted motorcycle tires available to purchase.

I know how difficult it is to try to plug a car tire and run that reamer through the steel belt. It's very difficult.

I've also plugged a motorcycle tire and they are much easier, due mostly to the fact they have no steel belts.

I like the advantages of running a steel belted car tire on the rear of my Valkyrie mainly because of it's ability to shed things that would puncture the tire if there were no steel belts.

It's the rear tire that suffers the majority of punctures.

***

[BnB Tom]

I must agree with my friend MP, it's a free country (for now), let the rider decide.  Hoser    

+1. As a free American I can make my own decision based on my experience and best judgment on what I want to use. At least until congress bans them for creating fiery deaths.
Oh no, I might have just made this political

  There's a rumor running around that Mayor Bloomberg of NYC is going to ban the use of CTs on  motorcycles because they make us look too big

[Skinhead]

All my MC tires have been steel belted, however I prefer Car tires and have been on them ever since 2008 when I was returning to MI from a trip to Maine.  I stopped at my mothers in Pittsburgh and this was my rear metzler. 




I had checked the tire that morning when we left Scranton, Pa, and while it was thin, the belts weren't showing.  We did hammer it pretty hard across Pa and hit rain coming into the 'burgh.  Didn't realize the tire was so far gone until we stopped for the day.

It was a Sunday and the only tire I could find was a Bridgestone Potenza(?).  Anyway, I rode from the 'burgh to Motown and just loved the ride, never went back.  I have since added an Interstate to the stable, I'm on my second CT on that (currently Austone Taxi) and just installed a GYTT on my standard.  Of all those I have run I prefer the Austone.  Rode it down to the FCR last year and it did just fine on the Dragon (although I can't ride like smokinjoe, I don't have his deep pockets and can't afford to replace ground off chrome like he can. )

One of the biggest advantages I have found with a car tire is decreased stopping distance.  This has saved my ass several times.  I have found it very hard to lock up a car tire, where you don't even have to try on a MC tire.

Don't believe the hype, try it and decide for yourself.

[Relax]

http://www.google.no/search?q=vredestein+sportrac+3&hl=no&client=safari&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=9mg8UbzGLMaEhQeIy4CoBg&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1024&bih=672


I am on my third CT on my bike...totlly about 60 000 miles so far... I have had GY and Pirelli , but the on I have now, Vredestein sportrac 3 is the bedt I have had

I just wante a refreshmnt of opinions to see if other experiences comes with the years about Darkside

Thanks!

[Oss]

Have run Metz, Dunlop and Avon in back and a car tire

about ready for my 2nd  200 series Bridgestone Battleaxe

The contact patch is substantially wider than a stock tire but less than a car tire on straight highway and sweepers which is pretty much 80% of my riding if not more

The 200 Battleaxe allows the bike to fall into turns with minimal input vs the car tire and is the smoothest of any tire I have ever ridden on

not a lot just made a difference in my head what I was comfortable with at the time.  I bought the car tire after going down on oil in a downhill s turn (damn it) and it was far superior on pea gravel and wet roads  Way worse in the ruts in the road of which there are many deep ruts on the way to my favorite roads  The car tire can handle twisties just fine once you find the sweet spot for the tire pressure

Try the car tire if you want, experiment with the pressure week by week and see what floats your boat

Variety is after all the spice of life

[Pappy!]

This may seem unrelated at first but I promise I will tie it in.
In my 32 year career in the Marine industry working for mainly Johnson/Evinrude and then Volvo Penta one of my ongoing jobs was doing accurate performance testing of whatever boat or range of boats that needed documentation. Tons of my tests have been published in the various boating magazines under the name of whatever writer I had to work with. Most of them were not capable of producing accurate repeatable numbers.
In too many cases the boating magazine writers were some of the worst drivers/handlers of boats I have ever come across for supposedly being knowledgeable. During more than one test I have had to relieve the wheel from a writer when doing high performance work for my safety as well as his. Yet these guys are the "gurus" that we read and depend on to give us the straight skinny on products we have an interest in. I have literally seen magazine tests on boats done by writers and we never left the dock!
I can only imagine that a writer of a motorcycle mag would have little to no experience compared to some of the Valk drivers in here on Car tires yet they apparently spew information as fact on that subject as though they had the miles and life experiences to do so. Maybe yes/Maybe no. After my experiences with writers I take what they say with a grain of salt.  

[deadwood]

Of course this is the same Rider Magazine that takes ads for and published articles on suspension mods, triple tree rakes and other modifications that the same motorcycle engineers get up awfully early in the morning to calculate what works best for bikes.
So by your logic I shouldn't put aftermarket shocks on my bike, shouldn't change the handle bars and risers that the engineers decide to put on there, shouldn't put aftermarket wheels or alternate brake disk/pads on it. How about adding that aftermarket windshield and its affect my handling? Should I take off my trailer hitch and sell my Kwik Kamp?
(I've had a subscription to rider for over 5 years)

Here is a quote from Rider magazine:
"...if you believe that running a car tire on your motorcycle fits within your acceptable risk threshold on the road, you may have left out an important consideration that can strike a little closer to home. Can the rider with a car tire mounted on his motorcycle have complete confidence that, in the event of a crash, he will be covered by his insurance? Or that others injured in a crash won’t target him with a costly lawsuit because he fit his motorcycle with tires that were not designed or intended for motorcycle use and may have contributed to the crash? Are the few dollars saved by turning to a car tire outweighed by the potential loss of a house and whatever dollars may be squirreled away for retirement?

As motorcycle safety expert and AMA hall-of-famer David Hough said during our recent conversation on this topic, “Motorcycle engineers get up awfully early in the morning to calculate what works best for bikes. An owner who disregards the engineers’ advice should think carefully about his or her talents in being more clever than the engineers. The owner who installs tires not designed for the task must take full responsibility for the results.” While the practice of fitting a car tire to a motorcycle may work suitably for some—even over many miles—there is no escaping that the rider must accept full liability for a practice that is not endorsed by the industry. Riders must consider carefully what accountability they may have as they openly encourage other riders to adopt a practice that is ardently discouraged by virtually all experts in the industry, including those who have no financial gains in selling more motorcycle tires".

Here is a link to the article for those who are interested:

http://www.ridermagazine.com/browse-by-type/tires/tales-from-the-dark-side-putting-car-tires-on-motorcycles.htm/

By the way...some of my best friends ride the darkside. 

JP

[Brian]

Even Wing World magazine is down on CT's yet there are darkside wing riders out there too.

[Skinhead]

Engineers use the cheapest parts they can find to do the job, that is how the manufacturer makes a profit.  There are surely "Better" parts available but is the increased cost justified for the performance gain?  That is another profit center for the after market suppliers.

Oh, yeah, Chrome is worth every penny.  You anti-Chromeites may disagree.

Of course this is the same Rider Magazine that takes ads for and published articles on suspension mods, triple tree rakes and other modifications that the same motorcycle engineers get up awfully early in the morning to calculate what works best for bikes.
So by your logic I shouldn't put aftermarket shocks on my bike, shouldn't change the handle bars and risers that the engineers decide to put on there, shouldn't put aftermarket wheels or alternate brake disk/pads on it. How about adding that aftermarket windshield and its affect my handling? Should I take off my trailer hitch and sell my Kwik Kamp?
(I've had a subscription to rider for over 5 years)

Here is a quote from Rider magazine:
"...if you believe that running a car tire on your motorcycle fits within your acceptable risk threshold on the road, you may have left out an important consideration that can strike a little closer to home. Can the rider with a car tire mounted on his motorcycle have complete confidence that, in the event of a crash, he will be covered by his insurance? Or that others injured in a crash won’t target him with a costly lawsuit because he fit his motorcycle with tires that were not designed or intended for motorcycle use and may have contributed to the crash? Are the few dollars saved by turning to a car tire outweighed by the potential loss of a house and whatever dollars may be squirreled away for retirement?

As motorcycle safety expert and AMA hall-of-famer David Hough said during our recent conversation on this topic, “Motorcycle engineers get up awfully early in the morning to calculate what works best for bikes. An owner who disregards the engineers’ advice should think carefully about his or her talents in being more clever than the engineers. The owner who installs tires not designed for the task must take full responsibility for the results.” While the practice of fitting a car tire to a motorcycle may work suitably for some—even over many miles—there is no escaping that the rider must accept full liability for a practice that is not endorsed by the industry. Riders must consider carefully what accountability they may have as they openly encourage other riders to adopt a practice that is ardently discouraged by virtually all experts in the industry, including those who have no financial gains in selling more motorcycle tires".

Here is a link to the article for those who are interested:

http://www.ridermagazine.com/browse-by-type/tires/tales-from-the-dark-side-putting-car-tires-on-motorcycles.htm/

By the way...some of my best friends ride the darkside. 

JP

[JC]

My Bridgestone Potenza had no problem with the Tail of the Dragon this weekend! Straightened those twisties right out!

The biggest problem was the piles of salt in the curves between the grooves.

http://store.129slayer.com/large_thumbs/thumb_1362874706DAVE3738.JPG

[DarkSideR]

This topic is going to quickly get as old as the gun debate.

Even though it been said before..Facts are facts. I have 15,000 miles on a Goodyear Triple Tread CT. I have scraped my highway pegs in the corners. I have had no issues what-so-ever. To reinforce what was stated above, there has not ever been one incident ever recorded of a CT failing on the back of a bike.

If you have particular issues with what people are doing to their motorcycles go after a real problem. The punks doing wheelies up the highway. At least in that forum you will have a legitimate argument.

[Dr Bobs Patient]

Even Wing World magazine is down on CT's yet there are darkside wing riders out there too.

I was Darkside when I had my 07 Wing!

And by the way, anyone notice that Fomer BMW Guy has left the building?

DBP

[Willow]

And by the way, anyone notice that Fomer BMW Guy has left the building? 

No, actually he hasn't.  He's been here within the hour.

He stated his opinion and, I'm sure, is reading responses, but politely not feeling the need to be verbally argumentative.

[Former BMW Guy]

And by the way, anyone notice that Fomer BMW Guy has left the building?  

No, actually he hasn't.  He's been here within the hour.

He stated his opinion and, I'm sure, is reading responses, but politely not feeling the need to be verbally argumentative.

Correct.

However, I do find the banter quite amusing...

JP

[RP#62]

Engineers use the cheapest parts they can find to do the job, that is how the manufacturer makes a profit.  There are surely "Better" parts available but is the increased cost justified for the performance gain?  That is another profit center for the after market suppliers.

Oh, yeah, Chrome is worth every penny.  You anti-Chromeites may disagree.

Hence, the philosopher proclaims, I see a glass half full, and the engineer states, I see a liquid containment vessel that's twice as big as it needs to be.

-RP

[Skinhead]

Engineers use the cheapest parts they can find to do the job, that is how the manufacturer makes a profit.  There are surely "Better" parts available but is the increased cost justified for the performance gain?  That is another profit center for the after market suppliers.

Oh, yeah, Chrome is worth every penny.  You anti-Chromeites may disagree.

Hence, the philosopher proclaims, I see a glass half full, and the engineer states, I see a liquid containment vessel that's twice as big as it needs to be.

-RP

Exactly!