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« on: March 16, 2013, 02:48:36 PM » |
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Hello Guys, Starting my valkyrie from cold, what is the correct procedure regarding using the choke and throttle. i find when im starting her up from cold using HALF choke and slight throttle, it fires but cuts out. i then use half choke and full throttle, she floods the carbs. It drive me nuts. However, when it does start she runs good. The bike is kept in a dry shed and covered during the long winter. battery is removed and kept on TRICKLE charge. Hope this is some help. Any advice Guys
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Daniel Meyer
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« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2013, 02:56:17 PM » |
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From cold...full choke, make sure you are actually getting it all the way on...that last 1/4" or so you have to force it.
Then push the starter button...mine occasionally needs just a crack off idle. Should fire right up.
As I said, double-triple-check that you are getting the choke all the way on...
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« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2013, 03:08:29 PM » |
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Owners manual says full choke, no throttle. Works for mine everytime
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« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2013, 03:29:50 PM » |
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Ah thats interesting, because when i give it full choke its seems as if it has reached its end, then i push harder. I actually thought i could do damage by breaking the cable by forcing it. Thank you Guys for that very good advice. Cant wait to give it a go!!
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« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2013, 03:39:02 PM » |
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Started my 98 Tourer couple of weeks ago. It had sat for 4 months with a full tank with Stabil added I'm in Michigan. Using the method described here the engine turned 3 times and started never touching the throttle, it worked for me.
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« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2013, 04:04:11 PM » |
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Good question and answers! My bike always started "hard". I think I used too much throttle. Got some more snow to melt before I can try it though. Thanks! 
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« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2013, 04:09:29 PM » |
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Your choke cable to the carb assembly probably needs some lube. Mine was pretty stiff until I sprayed some lube on it. The cable attaches on both carb runners, work your choke and watch the slides, you can actually make the choke easier by moving the slide, on the right side of engine espessially, as you work the handlebar choke control
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« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2013, 03:01:11 AM » |
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Advice is much appreciated guys thank you all. Happy St Patricks day and safe riding :
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« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2013, 04:13:58 AM » |
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From cold...full choke, make sure you are actually getting it all the way on...that last 1/4" or so you have to force it.
Then push the starter button...mine occasionally needs just a crack off idle. Should fire right up.
As I said, double-triple-check that you are getting the choke all the way on...
Always works for me! 
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« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2013, 06:37:34 AM » |
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Ah thats interesting, because when i give it full choke its seems as if it has reached its end, then i push harder. I actually thought i could do damage by breaking the cable by forcing it. Thank you Guys for that very good advice. Cant wait to give it a go!!
Any choke cable will break eventually, but it's cheap and easy to replace. I have replaced one in 113000 miles and 13 years. Hoser 
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« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2013, 09:09:20 AM » |
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When I bought my first Interstate from Chicago Cycle(at that time the biggest dealer in Illinois)the guy who did the bike once over with me took about 15 tries to get it started and stay running. Since it was the last I/S the dealer had and I bought it over the phone, it was pretty embarrassing watching him struggle to keep it running.
Of course what I later discovered was that even a dealership employee didn't know to fully push on the choke lever to fully engage it. Amazing.......
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« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2013, 09:31:26 AM » |
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Floor salesmen pretty much don't know nuthin about what they sell, except the price they want. They have to ask the manager if you haggle.  Hoser
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« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2013, 11:42:27 AM » |
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Floor salesmen pretty much don't know nuthin about what they sell, except the price they want. They have to ask the manager if you haggle.  Hoser Hoser, you're right about that...but my salesman got in trouble because he DIDN'T ask the manager. I swear to God, he shot me a price for a brand new I/S in 2001 of 11995, which was pretty much dealer cost. Out the door, I paid 13,840...tax, license, doc fees...for an Interstate. That's why I agreed to the deal sight unseen. No wonder the dealership went out of business a couple yrs later.
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« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2013, 02:27:07 PM » |
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From cold...full choke, make sure you are actually getting it all the way on...that last 1/4" or so you have to force it.
Then push the starter button...mine occasionally needs just a crack off idle. Should fire right up.
As I said, double-triple-check that you are getting the choke all the way on...

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« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2013, 07:12:00 PM » |
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When I bought my first Interstate from Chicago Cycle(at that time the biggest dealer in Illinois)the guy who did the bike once over with me took about 15 tries to get it started and stay running. Since it was the last I/S the dealer had and I bought it over the phone, it was pretty embarrassing watching him struggle to keep it running.
Of course what I later discovered was that even a dealership employee didn't know to fully push on the choke lever to fully engage it. Amazing.......
Dealership? I would find it amazing if he did it right! Hoser 
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« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2013, 03:07:48 AM » |
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The starting enrichment valves don't open fully unless you really push it to the stop. When you pull apart the carbs you can actually see how far they have to be pulled back before they open the air passage. It is why the last 1/4inch is so drastically different, yet unfortunately harder to pull on (keep in mind there are 6 valves that have to be opened fully.)
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« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2013, 02:15:16 PM » |
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If its not REALLY cold you may not need any choke (enrichment) to start it. Granted I live in FL where its rarely cold. But I have started my bike in temps in the 20° range this way.
I never use the choke first. just hit the starter with NO THROTTLE and no choke and it starts everytime. Then I add just enough choke to keep her running at 1,000 rpms. After a minute or so I return the choke lever to its full "off" position and she idles just fine without the choke then after another 30 sec - a minute or so Im underway. Sometimes (only in the cold) she may die as I add choke...in that case I leave the choke where It is (partially on) and restart, it idles at 1,000 rpms and I leave it that way for a minute before turning off the choke.
Using this method I dont think I have ever needed "full choke"
I have worked on a few Valkyries and those that started hard had vacuum issues. Once those issues were corrected the above method worked great.
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« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2013, 03:29:31 PM » |
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Why do it that way, when full choke, no throttle, hit the button, run at fast idle 30 seconds, go to half choke and ride away, choke off in a couple blocks? Just asking. Hoser
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« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2013, 04:25:45 PM » |
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Why do it that way, when full choke, no throttle, hit the button, run at fast idle 30 seconds, go to half choke and ride away, choke off in a couple blocks? Just asking. Hoser
+1, my method too, my question too.
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« Reply #19 on: March 22, 2013, 04:53:20 PM » |
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Why do it that way, when full choke, no throttle, hit the button, run at fast idle 30 seconds, go to half choke and ride away, choke off in a couple blocks? Just asking. Hoser
because of what I said. If a Valkyrie wont start easily without choke (under NOT freezing cold conditions) its because (in my experience) a vacuum leak is the problem. Its better to fix the vacuum leak than not know one exists because of over use of the enricher JMHO
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« Reply #20 on: March 22, 2013, 08:50:41 PM » |
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I always push the choke lever down all the way. If I let mine sit for for a couple of weeks or more I will have to restart it 2 or 3 times before it will stay running with the choke all the way on. As it warms up I gradually open the choke. Until I can set the throttle lock until it fully warms up.
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« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2013, 09:01:02 AM » |
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Why do it that way, when full choke, no throttle, hit the button, run at fast idle 30 seconds, go to half choke and ride away, choke off in a couple blocks? Just asking. Hoser
because of what I said. If a Valkyrie wont start easily without choke (under NOT freezing cold conditions) its because (in my experience) a vacuum leak is the problem. Its better to fix the vacuum leak than not know one exists because of over use of the enricher JMHO Point taken, knew there had to be a reason. Hoser
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« Reply #22 on: March 23, 2013, 02:38:50 PM » |
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I read somewhere that the way to start the cold bike was to hold the throttle open while going to full choke then hit the button. As stated earlier I thought it was a "hard" starter. Now, after 13 years I came here and learned the "right" way". Today it was 35 degrees out, the bike had been sitting for almost 3 months. I put it on full choke, hit the button. It took five tries but it popped right from the start.
Thanks all !!
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« Reply #23 on: March 24, 2013, 01:19:53 PM » |
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I read somewhere that the way to start the cold bike was to hold the throttle open while going to full choke then hit the button. As stated earlier I thought it was a "hard" starter. Now, after 13 years I came here and learned the "right" way". Today it was 35 degrees out, the bike had been sitting for almost 3 months. I put it on full choke, hit the button. It took five tries but it popped right from the start.
Thanks all !!
5 tries with full choke above freezing. That is not a definition of a good system. I suggest you check in the following order for vacuum leaks: vacuum lines and intake plugs intake runner clamps (18 scewes) exhaust manifold nuts petcock (if OEM)
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« Reply #24 on: March 24, 2013, 02:45:13 PM » |
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I read somewhere that the way to start the cold bike was to hold the throttle open while going to full choke then hit the button. As stated earlier I thought it was a "hard" starter. Now, after 13 years I came here and learned the "right" way". Today it was 35 degrees out, the bike had been sitting for almost 3 months. I put it on full choke, hit the button. It took five tries but it popped right from the start.
Thanks all !!
5 tries with full choke above freezing. That is not a definition of a good system. I suggest you check in the following order for vacuum leaks: vacuum lines and intake plugs intake runner clamps (18 scewes) exhaust manifold nuts petcock (if OEM) All was done last year except the petcock. It is the OEM and never been rebuilt. It never showed any sign of leaking but I was thinking the filter/screen may be partially plugged. Maybe it's time for replacing the whole petcock. Thanks
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